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DID PAUL WATER BAPTIZED ANYONE ?
« on: Thu Feb 04, 2021 - 14:44:24 »
 Hi to all and since we  have various views , did the  Apostle  water at all  SINCE he says in 1 Cor 1:17 that he was not sent to  baptize , but  to preach the gospel .

What say you ?

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Re: DID PAUL WATER BAPTIZED ANYONE ?
« Reply #1 on: Thu Feb 04, 2021 - 19:13:27 »
Are you serious Clark?

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« Reply #2 on: Thu Feb 04, 2021 - 19:17:20 »
 Hi and many believe that Paul did water baptized , and I believe that Paul did not .

 And , I am not Clark Kent . and give it your best shot !

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« Reply #3 on: Thu Feb 04, 2021 - 19:36:36 »
Are you serious Clark?
I can't be certain, but I suspect he is trying to bait a trap.  I am guessing that his issue is not what Paul did or didn't do; rather it is WATER baptism.

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Re: DID PAUL WATER BAPTIZED ANYONE ?
« Reply #4 on: Thu Feb 04, 2021 - 20:54:31 »
Dan I was referring to Clark W Griswald on National Lampoon’s Christmas vacation. A classic line by Cousin Eddie.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YoX52GkTUD8
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Re: DID PAUL WATER BAPTIZED ANYONE ?
« Reply #5 on: Thu Feb 04, 2021 - 20:57:43 »
Hi to all and since we  have various views , did the  Apostle  water at all  SINCE he says in 1 Cor 1:17 that he was not sent to  baptize , but  to preach the gospel .

What say you ?

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Paul knew that baptism was just an outward sign of an inward grace.   ::crackup::

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Re: DID PAUL WATER BAPTIZED ANYONE ?
« Reply #6 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 04:02:53 »
Hi to all and since we  have various views , did the  Apostle  water at all  SINCE he says in 1 Cor 1:17 that he was not sent to  baptize , but  to preach the gospel .

What say you ? dan p
Dan~the only problem answering men like you and Hobie from the SDA forum, is that you two never truly engage yourself in the debate thread that was started by you two. Nevertheless, I will answer you, better yet, Paul will answer for himself.
Quote from: Paul
1st Corinthians 1:10-15~'Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
So, yes he did baptize two of them, and others no doubt elsewhere for convenience sake, but he preferred others with him to do the baptizing for reasons mentioned within these verses before us.

Are you laboring to minimize water baptism? If so, then you failed to do so. If one believes the gospel message, then they are commanded to be baptized in Jesus' name by being baptized into him, or his religion revealed to us in the New Testament. If for any reason one refuses to be baptised in water then in essence they are saying that they do not truly believe the witness or testimony of God about His Son that he has given in His word. They are also saying that they do not believe in a future bodily resurrection.
Quote from: Paul reasoning with those who said there is NO RESURRECTION
1st Corinthians 15:29~"Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?"
You confess:
Quote from: dan p on: Yesterday at 19:17:20
Hi and many believe that Paul did water baptized , and I believe that Paul did not
You have been duped by the father of lies.

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« Reply #7 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 05:08:04 »
Paul will answer for himself. So, yes he did baptize two of them, and others no doubt elsewhere for convenience sake, but he preferred others with him to do the baptizing for reasons mentioned within these verses before us.
Red - he baptized more than that:

1 Cor 1:16
Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other.

Acts 19:1
It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples. 2 He said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said to him, “No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.” 3 And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” And they said, “Into John’s baptism.” 4 Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying. 7 There were in all about twelve men.

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« Reply #8 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 06:18:39 »
Indecently, Derek Prince made a good case study for rejecting the "Jesus only" baptismal formula using that Acts 19 text.

He questioned WHY did Paul wonder about their baptism when they said they had not even heard of a "Holy Spirit."  In normal tri-une baptism according to the Matt 28 formula, they would have herd of the Holy Spirit at baptism.

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« Reply #9 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 08:10:29 »
Red - he baptized more than that:
I know that to be so~read what I said:
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So, yes he did baptize two of them, and others no doubt elsewhere for convenience sake, but he preferred others with him to do the baptizing for reasons mentioned within these verses before us.
I use this verse to prove my point:
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1st Corinthians 1:10-15~'Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
I agree....
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1st Corinthians 1:16~Now "I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other."
As far as we know, Jesus Christ never baptized the first person~for good reasons.
Quote from: John
John 4:1,2~"When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
Jesus' disciples baptized those that believe, though Jesus never did.

 
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Re: DID PAUL WATER BAPTIZED ANYONE ?
« Reply #10 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 08:27:27 »
Indecently, Derek Prince made a good case study for rejecting the "Jesus only" baptismal formula using that Acts 19 text.

He questioned WHY did Paul wonder about their baptism when they said they had not even heard of a "Holy Spirit."  In normal tri-une baptism according to the Matt 28 formula, they would have heard of the Holy Spirit at baptism.


They would have, yet they like Apollos knew only John's baptism~where the Spirit was NOT promised as it is AFTER the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ! Pretty simple theology to follow. 
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« Reply #11 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 08:32:59 »
I know that to be so~read what I said: I use this verse to prove my point:
Our friend seems to be trying to prove that Paul was against water baptism. By providing more examples of him doing that it gives more proof that the opposite was true.

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« Reply #12 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 09:25:25 »
Paul knew that baptism was just an outward sign of an inward grace.   ::crackup::


Book, chapter and verse please?

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« Reply #13 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 10:18:51 »
Paul knew that baptism was just an outward sign of an inward grace. 
So un-Jewish a viewpoint.

And Paul was a Jew

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« Reply #14 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 10:31:11 »
So un-Jewish a viewpoint.

And Paul was a Jew


Galatians 3

28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

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Re: DID PAUL WATER BAPTIZED ANYONE ?
« Reply #15 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 10:33:53 »

Book, chapter and verse please?

1 Peter 3:21   ::crackup::

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« Reply #16 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 10:39:11 »
Galatians 3
28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Out of context.  That is talking about something different from what I am.

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« Reply #17 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 12:27:26 »
1 Peter 3:21   ::crackup::

And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.
(1Pe 3:21-22)

That doesn't say what you said at all. First it affirms that baptism saves us, then it teaches that in baptism we appeal to God for a clean conscience (the forgiveness of sins). Try again.

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« Reply #18 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 12:42:15 »
And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.
(1Pe 3:21-22)

That doesn't say what you said at all. First it affirms that baptism saves us, then it teaches that in baptism we appeal to God for a clean conscience (the forgiveness of sins). Try again.

John, I was messing with Jaime with the "outward sign of inward grace".  That's why I used with the crackup emoji.

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« Reply #19 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 13:10:17 »
 Hi and in  1 Peter 3:20 there were 8  souls were saved by  WATER !!

 In verse 20  it was a  DRY  BAPTISM  ,  what happened  to those  OUT  SIDE  OF THE  ARK , it was a  WATER  BAPTISM  to  DEATH ,  RIGHT .

It is just another  BAPTISM UNTO  DEATH .

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« Reply #20 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 13:43:55 »
Hi TC  , and in 1 Cor 1:15 it  reads , Lest any should say that I  baptized in my name !

 The  first Greek word is  ANY / TIS  is in the  Greek  NOMINATIVE  CASE  of the  subject of  this pro noun
 #2 The  next , SHOULD  SAY / EIPON  is in the  SUBJECTIVE  MOOD  if any should say or not say that I did  BAPTIZE .
BAPTIZED / BAPTIZO  in the  AORIST  TENSE .

 #4 Baptized  in  MINE / EMOS  is in the  ACCUSATIVE  CASE .

 #5 O had  baptized  in my  NAME / ONOMA  also in the  ACCUSATIVE  CASE or that Paul had done that  ACTION !

Where have you seen I  BAPTIZE YOU IN THE NAME OF  PAUL ?

 In  Matt 28:19 we see that the Jews had to be  baptizedm in the  NAME  of the  FATHER , SON and  HOLY  SPIRIT  and in Acts 19:5  they were  baptized in the name of the LORD  JESUS !

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Re: DID PAUL WATER BAPTIZED ANYONE ?
« Reply #21 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 14:11:10 »
Hi to all and since we  have various views , did the  Apostle  water at all  SINCE he says in 1 Cor 1:17 that he was not sent to  baptize , but  to preach the gospel .

What say you ?

dan p

What difference does it make?

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« Reply #22 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 14:12:03 »
John, I was messing with Jaime with the "outward sign of inward grace".  That's why I used with the crackup emoji.

I am impervious!  ::intherain::

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« Reply #23 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 14:14:54 »
Hi and in  1 Peter 3:20 there were 8  souls were saved by  WATER !!

 In verse 20  it was a  DRY  BAPTISM  ,  what happened  to those  OUT  SIDE  OF THE  ARK , it was a  WATER  BAPTISM  to  DEATH ,  RIGHT .

It is just another  BAPTISM UNTO  DEATH .

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That was a pattern or analogy. No "literal" baptism occurred on the Ark. You gotta do better than that. No call to be ultra hydro-phobic.

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« Reply #24 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 14:17:51 »
What difference does it make?

Are you sure you want to wade into a baptism discussion?

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« Reply #25 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 14:18:38 »
Also Dan, every preacher is called to preach and not necessarily baptize, even MY preacher. Why would one doing the preaching also do the baptizing. baptizing takes no skills. God does the work there. Preaching DOES require skills and be receptive to the Spirit's leadings.

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« Reply #26 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 14:25:08 »
Also Dan, every preacher is called to preach and not necessarily baptize, even MY preacher. Why would one doing the preaching also do the baptizing. baptizing takes no skills. God does the work there. Preaching DOES require skills and be receptive to the Spirit's leadings.

God does the work in salvation.  Baptism is tied to faith.  The original "sinner's prayer" or calling on God, was by faith in baptism.  It isn't part of a five step plan.  Parsing baptism from faith, has led it to being labeled as a work.  And it is a work, if you remove it from faith, where it becomes some magical water ritual like with the sprinkling of babies that imparts salvation.


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« Reply #27 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 14:50:56 »
And as we always say, the first century folks would have never parsed baptism away from faith. Baptism was never intended as a magical water ritual that usurps faith. if it's considered checking a box or punching a card, then yes it would be simply a futile work, AND not even tp the biblical definition of a baptism but simply a ceremonial dunking to no avail meriting no part of any salvation.

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« Reply #29 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 15:53:19 »
Are you sure you want to wade into a baptism discussion?

I saw a question was asked.

I just want the OP to say why it mattered. No matter what his personal belief is on the subject.

I am soooooooooo beyond it affecting me anymore.

Little Poopsie, why dont you tell me why it matters if Paul baptised or not.
This is one area ...the Paul of the subject... that I never gave a thought about.


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« Reply #30 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 16:13:22 »
It doesn't matter any more than my preacher doesn't do much baptizing. An idiot such as me can baptize someone, since God does the work of baptism.  I sure as heck ain't gifted to preach.

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« Reply #31 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 18:36:26 »
 Hi and in Acts 18:6  Paul says that from now on he would GO  TO THE  GENTILES  .

Also in Acts  18;7   And having  departed from that place , THE  Synagogue and in verse who was the  ruler there , but  CRISPUS !!

Notice that in verse 7 that Paul  departed from that place  (  THE  SYNAGOGUE  )  and went next door to  Justus by name , who was  worshipping God , whom the house was  BORDERING ON THE  SYNAGOGUE  or was wall to wall  with the  SYNAGOGUE ,

And when Paul went to Justus  house Crispus was  BAPTIZING all those their and many  Corinthians .

 This means that Paul   NEVER   BAPTIZED   ,,,,,,Crispus or Gauis or  Stephanas , who also were  Corinthians >

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« Reply #32 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 19:27:49 »
Hi and in Acts 18:6  Paul says that from now on he would GO  TO THE  GENTILES  .

Also in Acts  18;7   And having  departed from that place , THE  Synagogue and in verse who was the  ruler there , but  CRISPUS !!

Notice that in verse 7 that Paul  departed from that place  (  THE  SYNAGOGUE  )  and went next door to  Justus by name , who was  worshipping God , whom the house was  BORDERING ON THE  SYNAGOGUE  or was wall to wall  with the  SYNAGOGUE ,

And when Paul went to Justus  house Crispus was  BAPTIZING all those their and many  Corinthians .

 This means that Paul   NEVER   BAPTIZED   ,,,,,,Crispus or Gauis or  Stephanas , who also were  Corinthians >

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No it does not...but I repeat myself.

What difference does it make?

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« Reply #33 on: Fri Feb 05, 2021 - 20:06:47 »
Hi and stuff Dan. Please stop starting every post with Hi and ...... See how annoying that is. Kinda like this thread.

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« Reply #34 on: Sat Feb 06, 2021 - 04:41:10 »
Try again.
Sir, it is you that needs to try again.

I'll post more Monday since I'm leaving for Atlanta very shortly to visit one of my grandsons who is at Emory Unversity working on taking Dr. Fauci position...well, I wish someone would, since he an atheist and far left.

 

     
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