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Did The Devil Know Something He Wasn’t Telling?
« on: Sun Aug 07, 2022 - 14:53:29 »
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Did The Devil Know Something
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     “But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses...he said, ‘The Lord rebuke you’ ” [Jude, v. 9].
 
    We have to wonder why Satan was so interested in the body of Moses. I’m convinced he knew something he wasn’t telling. That made no difference, however, because the archangel Michael knew why he—the devil—wanted the body. I think Satan knew the children of Israel, if left to bury their leader, would build an idol of him and bow down to and worship it.
 
    I base that conjecture on Israel’s history of idolatry and her tendency to bow down to and worship inorganic images and icons. Consequently, a squabble arose between the prince of darkness and God’s angelic envoy, Michael, over his body. So the Lord, through His archangel, buried Moses. “And no one knows the [exact] place of his burial to this day” [Deut. 34:5-10].
 
    Remember the golden calf?  Moses’ trek on the Mountain of God was delayed. The children of Israel felt they needed a “god to go before them,” so Aaron, Moses’ brother, made them an idol in the shape of a calf and they corrupted themselves by bowing down to it. As Moses descended the mountain, God told him,  “They have been quick to turn away from what I commanded them and have made themselves an idol in the shape of a calf and have bowed down to it”  [Exodus 32:8-10].
 
    When Moses  arrived  in the camp, he burned the idol, ground it into powder, scattered it upon the water and made the Israelites drink the bitter liquid. This is how God felt about their statues. And if Moses were here on earth today and discovered all of the statues and idols and other religious icons the Papacy and Protestant sects have made and promoted for centuries, I’m convinced his anger would be kindled just as strongly.
 
     Idolatrous worship has not changed through the centuries. Man still builds idols “to go before them.” Take a good look at our fancy church edifices. Believers are not content to allow the God of creation to pave their way through the trials of life. They need something they can see, touch, feel, bow down to, and place their allegiance in. The great apostle Paul said it far better than I can say it when he accused idolaters of “exchanging the truth of God for a lie, and worshipping and serving created things rather than the Creator” [Rom. 1:25].
 
   So, yes, it seems that God Himself officiated at the burial of His servant Moses to prevent the children of Israel from building an idol of him and bowing down to it. Sadly, however, even today idols and images are still created and bowed down to. But God will have the last word.
 
    “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, or in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them and serve them” [Exodus 20:4-5].
 
     “Beware lest you act corruptly by making a carved image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, whether in the likeness of male or female, and bow down to them and serve them” [Deut. 4:16-19].
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Re: Did The Devil Know Something He Wasn’t Telling?
« Reply #1 on: Mon Aug 08, 2022 - 15:13:57 »
 I believe you  are on the  right  track  and they would  be  worshipping  his  grave in a  heart  beat as  it  says in  Roman  says ,  that  the  god  of this  world  has   BLINDED  their  eyes .

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« Reply #2 on: Mon Aug 08, 2022 - 22:47:20 »
dan p:

Appreciate your response.

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Re: Did The Devil Know Something He Wasn’t Telling?
« Reply #3 on: Tue Aug 09, 2022 - 01:01:02 »
You assume it was the dead body that the devil wanted. The actual dispute was over God's unnatural preservation of MOses during his life. The devil wanted God to allow him to tempt an aged Moses.

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« Reply #4 on: Tue Aug 09, 2022 - 03:31:17 »
You assume it was the dead body that the devil wanted. The actual dispute was over God's unnatural preservation of Moses during his life. The devil wanted God to allow him to tempt an aged Moses.
Sir, you have badly missed the truth here~and it is you that is basing your position on pure speculation.

It is beyond controversy that Moses was buried by the Lord, that is, that his grave was concealed according to the known purpose of God and his power. And the reason for concealing his grave is evident to all, that is, that the Jews might not bring forth his body to promote superstition. What wonder then is it, when the body of the prophet was hidden by God, Satan should attempt to make it known; and that angels, who are ever ready to serve God, should on the other hand resist him? And doubtless, we see that Satan almost in all ages has been endeavoring to make the bodies of God's saints idols to foolish men, who walk by sight and not by faith.

We agree that neither your position nor the majority of others is found in the scriptures verbatim written~ but knowing foolish and vain men, we go with the position of others before us, and that which we know scriptures supports knowing the propensity of men to seek out such things to aid them in the worship of God. Remember the golden calf that even Aaron participated in? If so, then it should guide you with that which is written concerning Moses' body.
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The devil wanted God to allow him to tempt an aged Moses
John, Moses was tempted many times by Israel~why do you think he was not allowed to go over with Israel into the land of promise but was allowed to see it afar off? The weakness of his flesh in allowing those reprobates among Israel to provoke his spirit. You know well the story.
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Re: Did The Devil Know Something He Wasn’t Telling?
« Reply #5 on: Tue Aug 09, 2022 - 23:06:10 »
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     “But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses...he said, ‘The Lord rebuke you’ ” [Jude, v. 9].

    “And no one knows the [exact] place of his burial to this day” [Deut. 34:5-10].


    johntwayne, Argue it out with Jude & the author of Deuteronomy. Your position contradicts Jude for sure.

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Re: Did The Devil Know Something He Wasn’t Telling?
« Reply #6 on: Wed Aug 10, 2022 - 08:55:33 »
I believe you  are on the  right  track  and they would  be  worshipping  his  grave in a  heart  beat as  it  says in  Roman  says ,  that  the  god  of this  world  has   BLINDED  their  eyes .

 dan p

what was the purpose and duration of this blindness?

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Re: Did The Devil Know Something He Wasn’t Telling?
« Reply #7 on: Wed Aug 10, 2022 - 21:14:08 »
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    One other thought on Jude 9. The verse reads, “But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses...he said, ‘The Lord rebuke you’ ” [Jude, v. 9].

    You will note the verse does not say, "...was disputing about Moses." Instead it says "the body of Moses." That makes all the difference in the world.

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Re: Did The Devil Know Something He Wasn’t Telling?
« Reply #8 on: Sat Aug 13, 2022 - 10:42:34 »
You assume it was the dead body that the devil wanted. The actual dispute was over God's unnatural preservation of MOses during his life. The devil wanted God to allow him to tempt an aged Moses.

Deu 34:1  And Moses went up from the plains of Moab unto the mountain of Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, that is over against Jericho. And the LORD shewed him all the land of Gilead, unto Dan, 2 And all Naphtali, and the land of Ephraim, and Manasseh, and all the land of Judah, unto the utmost sea, 3 And the south, and the plain of the valley of Jericho, the city of palm trees, unto Zoar. 4 And the LORD said unto him, This is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying, I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither. 5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. 6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day. 7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated. 8 And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended. 9 And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses. 10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face, 11 In all the signs and the wonders, which the LORD sent him to do in the land of Egypt to Pharaoh, and to all his servants, and to all his land, 12 And in all that mighty hand, and in all the great terror which Moses shewed in the sight of all Israel.

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