Dispensationalism didnt appear till the 1800's regardless of how many times you think it is in the bible... NOBODY believed the tripe you are passing off as doctrine until then.

Just show me one church father, one apostle or any other noted scholar that preached or wrote about all doctrine revolving around 'dispensations' prior to Darby and then maybe you might be credible.  Until then you are just a member of a new age cult.. just like mormans and Jehovah's witnesses...

As far as your discussing greek words.. maybe you should look at the source of that definition... yeap, it comes from Darby..  who would have guessed it!

OIKONOMIA  also refers to a person.. not a time span or 'test'.  i.e. Paul was given an OIKONOMIA to preach to the gentiles.

Dealing with Dispensationalists are like dealing with Jehovah's Witness's at the front door... they have been endoctinated into their creeds that they cannot see the forrest for the trees... its like a disease of the soul.

Guess how many times covenant is stated in the bible?.. if we are playing the numbers game as you are.. you wont stand a chance.

I think that the word Dispensationalism has some applications.  Maybe I'm wrong. lol

For instance, I've often heard of the studies of the Mosaic Law, the Adamic Covenant, and the New Covenant called a study of "Dispensations."  For years, I thought that was merely the term we gave it, and didn't realize it the word was such a lightning rod for other things.

And just to point out something else, and this I am more certain of as the subject is down my alley:  Dispensationalism does not necessarily apply to whether or not someone takes Revelation 20 literally or not.

Traditional Pre-Millennialism  (And most pre-millennials outside the charismatic movement are Traditionals) doesn't believe in a new "dispensation."

A friend of mine who is A-Millennial in his view and pastors another church, told me that one of the things that surprised him while studying prophetic viewpoints recently, was that there actually was a large number of pre-millennial folks who absolutely reject a new dispensation. I told him I was surprised to hear there were so many dispensationalists.

I grew up pre-millennial, and for a long time, didn't realize the dispensationalists even existed.

Nevertheless, having said all of this... I basically agree with Tantor's views on dispensationalism...

any new dispensation runs contrary to the teachings of Scripture in my opinion.  The New Covenant in Christ is what every Law and Precept and Ordinance pointed to.  Christ is it, there is nothing else.

lol 

 Hi , you are wrong . Let's look at the record , that ALL Covenant theology always can NOT answer .
 
 1) Which was first  , Covenant  or Dispensations ?

 2) It is easy to prove that Disenpensations were FIRST .

 3) Just turn to Eph 1:4 it says that we were chosen in Him  PRO  ( Greek for BEFORE  )   the foundation of the world , and that PRE-DATES  Genesis 1:1 .  For those in RIO LINDA , BEFORE He MADE THE UNIVERSE .

 4)  In 2 Tim 1:9 , we were called  or elected  , not by works , by Grace , which was given us in Christ Jesus   PRO  ( BEFORE  )   THE WORLD began .
 And that also PER-dates Genesis 1:1 .  WOW .

 5) Which came first , the Chicken or the Egg ?  You just laid  THE  Egg .


 6) But there is ANOTHER   Dispensation before this , and that is the Dispensation of Angelic Testing , before Genesis 1:1 , where in that Age Lucifer and Angels were tested . Lucifer and those angels under Lucifer fell along with those under him and they FELL .

 7) So all can see that they scripture is right and have proven my premise , that Dispensations are FIRST .










 

Thanks for proving covenant theology..

If we were chosen in him from the foundation of the world then dispensations are irrelevant because tests at the end of dispensations (which dispensationism are based on) are irrelevant and do not effect one bit how God deals with humankind... he has dealt with us the same way from the foundation of the world.

Thanks for proving yourself wrong.

LOL  Nice to meet you too.



*sigh*  Hmmmm..... So what?  This is just an argument over two words in the English language so far.  You want to call it dispensations?  Fine with me.  What difference does it make?

I know what the Scriptures are saying and I agree with them, but what are you saying concerning those Scriptures?  -besides that you want to call things dispensations instead of covenants. 

It seems you are saying we have no choice, but God decided who was saved and unsaved before the creation.  I disagree.  -but what does that huge subject have to do with what I said earlier about Christ being the only way?  Didn't it say he chose us in HIM (Christ?) before the creation of the world.  Still seems like Christ is the way before the Creation.  What came first? 

Christ, who is neither a chicken nor an egg.


Ah.  And your Scripture for that is where?

Regardless, what do I care what happened with Satan before humanity began?  I know the end result which is what affects me.  The rest is just a philosophical musing of a time we know very little about.


And Christ is still IT.  There's no other way.  Never has been.  No one is saved by the Law, Christ paid for the sins of Abraham as well as ours, whatever happened with Satan doesn't matter now...

dispensations, covenants, quarters, periods, turns, ages, pomegranites, whatever we call it, the solution for humanity has always been the cross of Christ.

I vote we call it pomegranites.