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« on: October 31, 2009, 07:56:45 PM »
To be a Christian is to follow Christ. To follow Him we must love Him.  To love Him is to surrender our life to Him. To surrender our life to Him is to live a life that is His, and not ours.   This means that we do and think what He does and thinks. We know that God is always faithful to us although we have been unfaithful to Him, and rejected Him by our sins.  Furthermore, He sacrificed His own life so that we may be free of sin and have His life. To be a Christian, therefore, is to do likewise. In addition, since it is God who seals the marriage covenant no one can separate what God has joined together (Matt 19:6); and those who attempt to break this seal go against God. Divorce is therefore, absolutely prohibited for believers (Mk 10:11-12, Luke 16:18; Matthew 5: 31-32); and remarriage after divorce is adultery.  Furthermore, a person whose spouse is unfaithful to him/her must stay faithful to his/her spouse just as God is faithful to us even when we reject Him (Hosea 3:1).

    God hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and is not pleased with the offerings of those who divorce their spouse (Malachi 2: 13-14). Jesus tells us that before making offering to God, we must reconcile with those with whom we have grievances (Matt. 5: 23-24).  Therefore, a divorced person must first reconcile with his/her spouse before making an offering to the Lord.
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2009, 08:03:01 PM »
While I agree that divorce is hated by God; and by me!  There is forgiveness and grace even for us...the divorced.  God loves the divorced...and gives us freedom; not bondage.  Christ came to free us...

Reconciliation is always God's best for us...regardless; our hope is in Christ, not our wayward ex...
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2009, 09:25:25 PM »


Really?  I don't know, what do you think?
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2009, 09:36:39 PM »
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To be a Christian is to follow Christ. To follow Him we must love Him.  To love Him is to surrender our life to Him. To surrender our life to Him is to live a life that is His, and not ours.   This means that we do and think what He does and thinks. We know that God is always faithful to us although we have been unfaithful to Him, and rejected Him by our sins.  Furthermore, He sacrificed His own life so that we may be free of sin and have His life. To be a Christian, therefore, is to do likewise. In addition, since it is God who seals the marriage covenant no one can separate what God has joined together (Matt 19:6); and those who attempt to break this seal go against God. Divorce is therefore, absolutely prohibited for believers (Mk 10:11-12, Luke 16:18; Matthew 5: 31-32); and remarriage after divorce is adultery.  Furthermore, a person whose spouse is unfaithful to him/her must stay faithful to his/her spouse just as God is faithful to us even when we reject Him (Hosea 3:1).

    God hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and is not pleased with the offerings of those who divorce their spouse (Malachi 2: 13-14). Jesus tells us that before making offering to God, we must reconcile with those with whom we have grievances (Matt. 5: 23-24).  Therefore, a divorced person must first reconcile with his/her spouse before making an offering to the Lord.


I thought divorce was allowable even to the hardliners in the event of adultery. (i.e. Mat 5:32 and 19:9)
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2009, 09:50:01 PM »

      I know that JESUS would not wish a spouse to remain married to someone that habitually abused him or her.
      BTW Its not always the man that is the abuser.  Sometimes he is the abusee.  GOD Bless.
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2009, 10:21:48 PM »
Yes, Walker.  My BIL was abused by his wife.  She was wicked bad.  He eventually completed suicide.  He thought he had no choice.
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2009, 10:24:30 PM »
Quote from: surrendersacrifice on October 31, 2009, 07:56:45 PM
To be a Christian is to follow Christ. To follow Him we must love Him.  To love Him is to surrender our life to Him. To surrender our life to Him is to live a life that is His, and not ours.   This means that we do and think what He does and thinks. We know that God is always faithful to us although we have been unfaithful to Him, and rejected Him by our sins.  Furthermore, He sacrificed His own life so that we may be free of sin and have His life. To be a Christian, therefore, is to do likewise. In addition, since it is God who seals the marriage covenant no one can separate what God has joined together (Matt 19:6); and those who attempt to break this seal go against God. Divorce is therefore, absolutely prohibited for believers (Mk 10:11-12, Luke 16:18; Matthew 5: 31-32); and remarriage after divorce is adultery.  Furthermore, a person whose spouse is unfaithful to him/her must stay faithful to his/her spouse just as God is faithful to us even when we reject Him (Hosea 3:1).

    God hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and is not pleased with the offerings of those who divorce their spouse (Malachi 2: 13-14). Jesus tells us that before making offering to God, we must reconcile with those with whom we have grievances (Matt. 5: 23-24).  Therefore, a divorced person must first reconcile with his/her spouse before making an offering to the Lord.



Zowie.  What a misinterpretation, misapplication, and misunderstanding of Scripture.   Frowning
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2009, 11:02:09 PM »
Scripturally correct, SS.  Except for the reconciliation before an offering.  We don't do offerings.  Repentance is needed.  Reconciliation isn't possible if they've remarried.  Therefore, we have the passage which speaks of the ones who have repented of adultery in the Word when it states, "adulterers.... such were you, but you are washed, you are sanctified, you are justified...."

Those who say it isn't sin are incorrect by the Word.  Yet that is debated and negated by many. 
Those who say they must reconcile before God accepts their offerings are incorrect by the Word.  Yet that is also debated and negated by many.

So, to bring this topic up again, after it has been gone over and over and over, I find to be interesting; as few on this forum seem willing to admit that they are ever wrong or to learn on any topic posted, from what I've seen.
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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2009, 11:09:09 PM »
Quote from: surrendersacrifice on October 31, 2009, 07:56:45 PM
To be a Christian is to follow Christ. To follow Him we must love Him.  To love Him is to surrender our life to Him. To surrender our life to Him is to live a life that is His, and not ours.   This means that we do and think what He does and thinks. We know that God is always faithful to us although we have been unfaithful to Him, and rejected Him by our sins.  Furthermore, He sacrificed His own life so that we may be free of sin and have His life. To be a Christian, therefore, is to do likewise. In addition, since it is God who seals the marriage covenant no one can separate what God has joined together (Matt 19:6); and those who attempt to break this seal go against God. Divorce is therefore, absolutely prohibited for believers (Mk 10:11-12, Luke 16:18; Matthew 5: 31-32); and remarriage after divorce is adultery.  Furthermore, a person whose spouse is unfaithful to him/her must stay faithful to his/her spouse just as God is faithful to us even when we reject Him (Hosea 3:1).

    God hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and is not pleased with the offerings of those who divorce their spouse (Malachi 2: 13-14). Jesus tells us that before making offering to God, we must reconcile with those with whom we have grievances (Matt. 5: 23-24).  Therefore, a divorced person must first reconcile with his/her spouse before making an offering to the Lord.

God's law re: MDR is already strict enough. Mt 19:9 does allow an innocent spouse to divorce a fornicating spouse, thus divorce is not absolutely prohibited.
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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2009, 06:01:21 AM »
Quote from: surrendersacrifice on October 31, 2009, 07:56:45 PM
To be a Christian is to follow Christ. To follow Him we must love Him.  To love Him is to surrender our life to Him. To surrender our life to Him is to live a life that is His, and not ours.   This means that we do and think what He does and thinks. We know that God is always faithful to us although we have been unfaithful to Him, and rejected Him by our sins.  Furthermore, He sacrificed His own life so that we may be free of sin and have His life. To be a Christian, therefore, is to do likewise. In addition, since it is God who seals the marriage covenant no one can separate what God has joined together (Matt 19:6); and those who attempt to break this seal go against God. Divorce is therefore, absolutely prohibited for believers (Mk 10:11-12, Luke 16:18; Matthew 5: 31-32); and remarriage after divorce is adultery.  Furthermore, a person whose spouse is unfaithful to him/her must stay faithful to his/her spouse just as God is faithful to us even when we reject Him (Hosea 3:1).

    God hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and is not pleased with the offerings of those who divorce their spouse (Malachi 2: 13-14). Jesus tells us that before making offering to God, we must reconcile with those with whom we have grievances (Matt. 5: 23-24).  Therefore, a divorced person must first reconcile with his/her spouse before making an offering to the Lord.


Wow, that is mean and judgmental even for the mean and judgmental. 

You do know there is only one Judge, right?

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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2009, 06:34:17 AM »
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Quote from: surrendersacrifice on October 31, 2009, 07:56:45 PM
To be a Christian is to follow Christ. To follow Him we must love Him.  To love Him is to surrender our life to Him. To surrender our life to Him is to live a life that is His, and not ours.   This means that we do and think what He does and thinks. We know that God is always faithful to us although we have been unfaithful to Him, and rejected Him by our sins.  Furthermore, He sacrificed His own life so that we may be free of sin and have His life. To be a Christian, therefore, is to do likewise. In addition, since it is God who seals the marriage covenant no one can separate what God has joined together (Matt 19:6); and those who attempt to break this seal go against God. Divorce is therefore, absolutely prohibited for believers (Mk 10:11-12, Luke 16:18; Matthew 5: 31-32); and remarriage after divorce is adultery.  Furthermore, a person whose spouse is unfaithful to him/her must stay faithful to his/her spouse just as God is faithful to us even when we reject Him (Hosea 3:1).

    God hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and is not pleased with the offerings of those who divorce their spouse (Malachi 2: 13-14). Jesus tells us that before making offering to God, we must reconcile with those with whom we have grievances (Matt. 5: 23-24).  Therefore, a divorced person must first reconcile with his/her spouse before making an offering to the Lord.


Wow, that is mean and judgmental even for the mean and judgmental. 

You do know there is only one Judge, right?

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You ought to know by now K-Pappy that some people are simply wicked and evil and want to use God's name to perpetrate their evil...as if that will make them righteous.

We are simply to mark the goat or wolf as to what they are and move on.
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2009, 06:59:46 AM »


   The devil,otherwise known as satan, can and does quotescripture to suit his own purposes.
    He always has and always will.  His representatives will also.  Thank you Jesus for discernment.
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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2009, 07:45:56 AM »
Quote from: walker starr on October 31, 2009, 09:50:01 PM

      I know that JESUS would not wish a spouse to remain married to someone that habitually abused him or her.
      BTW Its not always the man that is the abuser.  Sometimes he is the abusee.  GOD Bless.

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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2009, 08:11:07 AM »
Quote from: surrendersacrifice on October 31, 2009, 07:56:45 PM
To be a Christian is to follow Christ. To follow Him we must love Him.  To love Him is to surrender our life to Him. To surrender our life to Him is to live a life that is His, and not ours.   This means that we do and think what He does and thinks. We know that God is always faithful to us although we have been unfaithful to Him, and rejected Him by our sins.  Furthermore, He sacrificed His own life so that we may be free of sin and have His life. To be a Christian, therefore, is to do likewise. In addition, since it is God who seals the marriage covenant no one can separate what God has joined together (Matt 19:6); and those who attempt to break this seal go against God. Divorce is therefore, absolutely prohibited for believers (Mk 10:11-12, Luke 16:18; Matthew 5: 31-32); and remarriage after divorce is adultery.  Furthermore, a person whose spouse is unfaithful to him/her must stay faithful to his/her spouse just as God is faithful to us even when we reject Him (Hosea 3:1).

    God hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and is not pleased with the offerings of those who divorce their spouse (Malachi 2: 13-14). Jesus tells us that before making offering to God, we must reconcile with those with whom we have grievances (Matt. 5: 23-24).  Therefore, a divorced person must first reconcile with his/her spouse before making an offering to the Lord.

 No where does the bible say that a person who is divorced must reconcile with their former spouse. It does say that if we are separated to do that but not if we are divorced.
In fact in Deut it says that it is an abomination for a person who has divorced their spouse to have them back if one of them has been remarried.
A divorce is the ending of a marriage. There is no spouse to go back to because they are no longer married.
Divorce is allowed for certain reasons of course, and so is remarriage.No where does the bible say that we must stay with an adulterous spouse. yes we must forgive but that doesn't not mean that we have to stay with them.

There will always be those who hate anyone being divorced or even worse(shock horror), remarried (especially if you are happily remarried) and who wish to make those people feel as bad and condemned as possible. Sadly.I think they have a deep problem that makes then like that.

God , on the other hand, forgives heals and makes new beginning and fresh starts. How sad He must be when he reads things such as this. How angry He must be when he sees His beloved children who have been through so much pain, told such nonsense., with such misuse of the scripture.

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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2009, 08:19:27 AM »
Quote from: JohnDB on November 01, 2009, 06:34:17 AM
You ought to know by now K-Pappy that some people are simply wicked and evil and want to use God's name to perpetrate their evil...as if that will make them righteous.

We are simply to mark the goat or wolf as to what they are and move on.

I would ease up on surrendersacrifice, I don't think from his post needs to be called evil. (2Th 3:15)
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