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« Reply #60 on: November 03, 2009, 05:20:26 PM »

well im not so concerned with chose's lifestyle but i take issue with the notion that kids are better off after divorce. Its a very very common misconception. it may be that YOUR kids were, or HER kids, or HIS kids, or SOME kids but in the overall, its now finally been proven that their CHANCES are much better even in a high conflict marriage so long as there is no physical abuse and substance abuse and certain other overt actions, but just high arguments, nope, the kids are better off w/ mom and dad. remember just because YOURS didnt follow this pattern doesnt negate this proven general rule.

http://betweentwoworlds.org/comments/?cat=15

See this study, and realize, no matter whats been said in the past, its only been the past few years that we had adults that were kids of NF diverce epidemic to study. Before this it was all conjecture as the kids hadnt in sufficient numbers reached adulthood and started their own families.

Its not saying that these kids, AS kids, were OK with the angst in the home, and that they didnt react peacefully to being away from it....it sats that there are DEEP problems that only show up when they are adults. Substance abuse, relational issiues , depression, to name a few.

John says it right the odds of these kids divorcing is MUCH higher. Each person will bury their heads as they say "it wont happen to me because i will put God on my kids and He will see it through......maybe.....d o you think youd be the first person to invoke God on this?

When I was separated I heard every rationale in the book as I tried to explain this to my wife, she was one saying oh its OK Ive prayed thru it. 

Its something to consider when deciding to file a divorce for strain and stress and arguing....THINK about the ODDS for the kids and include that when deciding if the divorce is best, or maybe working harder to fix the marriage.

Again, please if your kids dont fit the pattern that doesn't change the ODDS. If your kids are young, then with respect, you have NO IDEA yet about this. As mush as they may appear happy and adjusted they MAY harbor deep issues that will manifest MUCH later. That's the verifiable trend. Its nothing to do with little kids 3 years after the divorce, its about kids 30 years after the divorce where the probs arise.

  With respect bah-blah speaking of my own situation, my kids are aged 24, 29 and 32, so are definitely not little kids. Their lives were awful and now they are so much better with a step dad who loves them and  with 2 of them having come back to Jesus in a big way.That may not be the norm but it shows what God CAN do. The marriage break up happened 10 years ago and they have got better and better since then but it has been a long haul to get there for all of us, but with the marriage making SOOO much difference.
Also with respect my husband grew up in a marriage with constant conflict and it affected him very very deeply.There are two sides to every story.What is that verse that speaks of it being better to live on a roof top rather than live with a contentious wife. Could that not also apply to children?
OF COURSE it is better for kids to be in a loving home with 2 parents, but there are circumstances that make that impossible and sometimes down right dangerous and damaging.    I am definitely not advocating divorce for anything but the most serious reasons, such as sexual betrayal, but as well as that I AM saying that God can and does restore families and children and spouses who have been deeply hurt and one of the ways He sometimes does this is through another marriage.
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« Reply #61 on: November 03, 2009, 05:22:27 PM »

God loves to restore to us and give us second chances. He does it all the time. I am sorry if my reports of my second marriage and what an amazing difference it has made to both me, my three children and my husband make you uncomfortable, but I give God ALL the glory for what He has done. I give Him ALL the glory for bringing our lives out of the pit, and for providing my husband with a wife who adores him after having a wife who betrayed him and divorced him.
I make NO apologies for this. I am in NO way going to water down this amazing story of restoration. This story show just what God can do when we have been through terrible times and remain faithful to Him.  My Friends,  bless them, are overjoyed at what God has done for us. maybe one or two here can be as well?

Amen sister... Smile
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« Reply #62 on: November 03, 2009, 05:36:37 PM »

God loves to restore to us and give us second chances. He does it all the time. I am sorry if my reports of my second marriage and what an amazing difference it has made to both me, my three children and my husband make you uncomfortable, but I give God ALL the glory for what He has done. I give Him ALL the glory for bringing our lives out of the pit, and for providing my husband with a wife who adores him after having a wife who betrayed him and divorced him.
I make NO apologies for this. I am in NO way going to water down this amazing story of restoration. This story show just what God can do when we have been through terrible times and remain faithful to Him.  My Friends,  bless them, are overjoyed at what God has done for us. maybe one or two here can be as well?

Amen sister... Smile


 Bless you, its good to see that someone can appreciate Gods amazing work in others lives.  I agree
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« Reply #63 on: November 03, 2009, 05:56:43 PM »

Bless you, its good to see that someone can appreciate Gods amazing work in others lives.  I agree

That is what being a Christian is all about...sharing the good news in our life!  When we follow God and His will; good things happen Smile

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« Reply #64 on: November 03, 2009, 07:51:11 PM »

According to Associated Content the main reason people get divorced is because of money and cheating, in that order.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/311828/the_most_frequent_cause_of_divorce.html?cat=41
Actually, the lead in paragraph indicates that the precipitants of divorce are lack of communication and distancing. The other topics, money, infidelity, sexual dysfunction, and major life changes are the touchstones of couple distress, but they can all be overcome if the couple will re-couple and talk about their different expectations in the relationship. Gottman and others would argue that even communication isn't the biggest issue. Underlying that problem is a lack of liking your partner. If the couple like each other sufficiently, they can overcome most obstacles.
Problem is, once we start distancing, the relationship is in big trouble.
On a slightly different note, this is why an hour of premarital "counseling" doesn't cut it. It's hard to cover those four touchstones to any significant degree in sixty minutes.
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« Reply #65 on: November 03, 2009, 09:02:14 PM »

Let me see if I can relate the stats more clearer than what I did earlier.

Of all second marriages 65% failed

Of those failed second marriages 80+ % were those that remarried within two years of the first marriage's divorce being finalized. Those that waited longer faired much much better. The cheif reason most of the second marriages failed was due to chemical, alcohol or pornography/sexual addiction issues that were unresolved.

Third marriages...75+% failed...it has been a while and that stat I ain't sure of...I am positive that it is higher than that of second marriage failures.

fourth and fifth and sixth?...why are you bothering with a certificate? Just shacking up will be a trial for you with all that moving of furniture in and out. Might as well get a hotel room for as long as this relationship is going to last. (the stats were ugly at this point)

There is no safe zone in marriage. Each marriage has it's own baggage which a spouse brings with them to a second/third marriage.  Getting beyond that...tough and difficult. Ex wives are forever even if the marriage lasted only ten years. Children in the mix? Might as well get them a legal pre-nuptual for a wedding present. (chances of them getting divorced just went through the roof)

I wish I had better news...but I don't.

But with God in the mix there is always hope....and hope springs eternal.




 yes but with God all things are possible. Ex spouses really aren't forever. Neither myself nor my husband have ANY contact with either of our ex's, Praise God for that. We will probably see them at the children's weddings and that is all.

My kids have thrived with my second husband. Two of them have come back to God,and are following Him in amazing ways, and the third is so much better. than she was. My son has a truly lovely Christian girlfriend and they plan to marry. My daughter is training to be a child psychotherapist.
 My husbands sons have said that he has come alive since his remarriage to me and so have I.
Our marriage is so blessed and so godly. So many people have remarked on how happy we are and how God has worked in us and through us.
  So it is not all doom and gloom for second marriages believe me. I am 53 and have never been happier. Also we did marry within 2 years of my husbands divorce but several years after my divorce. Neither of us however have any addictions or sexual problems and neither of us were unfaithful in our long first marriages. WE both feel very strongly about absolutely faithfulness and marriage for life (sadly our ex spouses made this impossible)
I give God all the glory for what He has done in our lives. He loves to restore to us what we have lost and give second chances.
I always want our marriage to be an example of what God can do and is capable of if we remain faithful to Him through very painful times.

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You sound like a Divorce Evangelist telling us how great it is. I would like to remind you that this is a Christian Forum, and we are called to holiness.  Christians are not to live the life style that you profess.

 

 A divorce evangelist eh? now thats novel. I hate divorce as much as God does believe me.As do all people who have been through them.I am not avocating divorce but I am saying that God does bless second marrages after divorces for certain reasons.

 If you knew why I had to divorce my husband, and what me and my kids had to go through, you wouldn't say that. However I cannot say it on a public forum as it is too sensitive and affects others apart from me. Believe me, it was appalling devastating and hellish.
HOWEVER God HAS restored to me and my children ALL that Satan stole from us and so much more. THAT is a fact.

God loves to restore to us and give us second chances. He does it all the time. I am sorry if my reports of my second marriage and what an amazing difference it has made to both me, my three children and my husband make you uncomfortable,(goodness knows why) but I give God ALL the glory for what He has done. I give Him ALL the glory for bringing our lives out of the pit, and for providing my husband with a wife who adores him after having a wife who betrayed him and divorced him.

I make NO apologies for this. I am in NO way going to water down this amazing story of restoration. This story shows just what God can do when we have been through terrible times and remain faithful to Him.  My Friends,(bless them), are overjoyed at what God has done for us. Maybe one or two here can be as well? I think God is truly AMAZING. I LOVE to see God at work in peoples lives . He is the lifter of our heads and the one who picks us up when we fall. He is the One who comforts us when our hearts are broken.He is the one who gives us back what we have lost. He is the one who brings us out of the darkness into the light.

 The lifestyle that I 'profess' as you call it is the one that God has led me into. My lifestyle and my husband lifestyle are ones that love God, put Him first and are blessed by God . It is one of a good and godly marriage,a happy and peaceful family.where God is glorified..




chosenone,

You missed my point.  Today there are many young Christians who are having tough times with unemployment and paying their rent.  When those young women read how great your divorce turn out, and how Jesus has bless you they will be tempted to be a liberated woman.  What the heck, why go through hard times with this looser, when I can be like "chosenone".  People our age who are old enough to be grandparents are usually thoughtful about what the younger generation is hearing us say.  I will say again that divorce is not the Christian life style as outlined in the Bible.  I am glad that my wife is not reading your posts about how great it is.
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« Reply #66 on: November 03, 2009, 09:19:21 PM »

On a slightly different note, this is why an hour of premarital "counseling" doesn't cut it. It's hard to cover those four touchstones to any significant degree in sixty minutes.

I agree, a hour sounds more like a formality to sate the conscience of whoever is doing the counseling. I have heard of some programs drawing out sessions for weeks at a time, but who know what it takes to prevent a divorce or to at least apprise the couple of what they are getting into.

Although if you have counseled me before I got married, there would have been little you could have done to dissuade me from my decision or to prepare me for the obstacles I have face in just our seven years of marriage.
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« Reply #67 on: November 03, 2009, 10:04:13 PM »

On a slightly different note, this is why an hour of premarital "counseling" doesn't cut it. It's hard to cover those four touchstones to any significant degree in sixty minutes.

I agree, a hour sounds more like a formality to sate the conscience of whoever is doing the counseling. I have heard of some programs drawing out sessions for weeks at a time, but who know what it takes to prevent a divorce or to at least apprise the couple of what they are getting into.

Although if you have counseled me before I got married, there would have been little you could have done to dissuade me from my decision or to prepare me for the obstacles I have face in just our seven years of marriage.

after reading all this i will have to try to one more time to convince my wife once again how lucky she is to have me.
Ive been doing this now for 42 years ever since we were married at 18 and 19 and she still isnt convinced.
me thinks she is still ticked for the one time i tried to barter her off for this real good mule.
i even tried to tell her she is even better than that mule .but she's so stubburn.
she wont listen. Smile
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« Reply #68 on: November 04, 2009, 05:37:59 AM »

Let me see if I can relate the stats more clearer than what I did earlier.

Of all second marriages 65% failed

Of those failed second marriages 80+ % were those that remarried within two years of the first marriage's divorce being finalized. Those that waited longer faired much much better. The cheif reason most of the second marriages failed was due to chemical, alcohol or pornography/sexual addiction issues that were unresolved.

Third marriages...75+% failed...it has been a while and that stat I ain't sure of...I am positive that it is higher than that of second marriage failures.

fourth and fifth and sixth?...why are you bothering with a certificate? Just shacking up will be a trial for you with all that moving of furniture in and out. Might as well get a hotel room for as long as this relationship is going to last. (the stats were ugly at this point)

There is no safe zone in marriage. Each marriage has it's own baggage which a spouse brings with them to a second/third marriage.  Getting beyond that...tough and difficult. Ex wives are forever even if the marriage lasted only ten years. Children in the mix? Might as well get them a legal pre-nuptual for a wedding present. (chances of them getting divorced just went through the roof)

I wish I had better news...but I don't.

But with God in the mix there is always hope....and hope springs eternal.




 yes but with God all things are possible. Ex spouses really aren't forever. Neither myself nor my husband have ANY contact with either of our ex's, Praise God for that. We will probably see them at the children's weddings and that is all.

My kids have thrived with my second husband. Two of them have come back to God,and are following Him in amazing ways, and the third is so much better. than she was. My son has a truly lovely Christian girlfriend and they plan to marry. My daughter is training to be a child psychotherapist.
 My husbands sons have said that he has come alive since his remarriage to me and so have I.
Our marriage is so blessed and so godly. So many people have remarked on how happy we are and how God has worked in us and through us.
  So it is not all doom and gloom for second marriages believe me. I am 53 and have never been happier. Also we did marry within 2 years of my husbands divorce but several years after my divorce. Neither of us however have any addictions or sexual problems and neither of us were unfaithful in our long first marriages. WE both feel very strongly about absolutely faithfulness and marriage for life (sadly our ex spouses made this impossible)
I give God all the glory for what He has done in our lives. He loves to restore to us what we have lost and give second chances.
I always want our marriage to be an example of what God can do and is capable of if we remain faithful to Him through very painful times.

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chosenone,

You sound like a Divorce Evangelist telling us how great it is. I would like to remind you that this is a Christian Forum, and we are called to holiness.  Christians are not to live the life style that you profess.

 

 A divorce evangelist eh? now that's novel. I hate divorce as much as God does believe me.As do all people who have been through them.I am not advocating divorce but I am saying that God does bless second marrages after divorces for certain reasons.

 If you knew why I had to divorce my husband, and what me and my kids had to go through, you wouldn't say that. However I cannot say it on a public forum as it is too sensitive and affects others apart from me. Believe me, it was appalling devastating and hellish.
HOWEVER God HAS restored to me and my children ALL that Satan stole from us and so much more. THAT is a fact.

God loves to restore to us and give us second chances. He does it all the time. I am sorry if my reports of my second marriage and what an amazing difference it has made to both me, my three children and my husband make you uncomfortable,(goodness knows why) but I give God ALL the glory for what He has done. I give Him ALL the glory for bringing our lives out of the pit, and for providing my husband with a wife who adores him after having a wife who betrayed him and divorced him.

I make NO apologies for this. I am in NO way going to water down this amazing story of restoration. This story shows just what God can do when we have been through terrible times and remain faithful to Him.  My Friends,(bless them), are overjoyed at what God has done for us. Maybe one or two here can be as well? I think God is truly AMAZING. I LOVE to see God at work in peoples lives . He is the lifter of our heads and the one who picks us up when we fall. He is the One who comforts us when our hearts are broken.He is the one who gives us back what we have lost. He is the one who brings us out of the darkness into the light.

 The lifestyle that I 'profess' as you call it is the one that God has led me into. My lifestyle and my husband lifestyle are ones that love God, put Him first and are blessed by God . It is one of a good and godly marriage,a happy and peaceful family.where God is glorified..




chosenone,

You missed my point.  Today there are many young Christians who are having tough times with unemployment and paying their rent.  When those young women read how great your divorce turn out, and how Jesus has bless you they will be tempted to be a liberated woman.  What the heck, why go through hard times with this looser, when I can be like "chosenone".  People our age who are old enough to be grandparents are usually thoughtful about what the younger generation is hearing us say.  I will say again that divorce is not the Christian life style as outlined in the Bible.  I am glad that my wife is not reading your posts about how great it is.

 

So are you concerned that your wife would want to divorce you then?If not them why would it worry you that she read this story of redemption and restoration.

Actually with respect you missed MY point.

Divorce is horrible, painful, devastating and something that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. It is far far worse than bereavement in my opinion. I hate divorce but in the circumstances that I found myself in, there was no other option believe me. I spoke to three pastors/church leaders who all agreed with me.   I was married for 25 years when my divorce was over.
HOWEVER because my husband and I are both divorced (very much against what we would have wanted) and because God knows that we were faithful to our spouses and true to Him, He has blessed us and had restored to us all that we lost.    

However if a person divorces for no good reason,or has an affair, or leaves their spouse for another, or any other sinful thing, then God probably isn't going to bless them with another godly marriage. Neither my ex nor my husbands ex have anyone else, so they haven't been blessed in this way.

My point is that divorce isn't the end a persons life. Divorce is something that should only happen for extreme circumstances, BUT it is allowed for certain reasons.ALSO remarriage is allowed also,and God is the great restorer of all things. People that I know are praising God for what He has done for us. They give thanks to him for this. That doesn't mean that they are going to leave their husbands, How ridiculous. They know the terrible suffering that my kids and I went though. they rejoice with us at what God is doing. They see the amazing effects that this has had on us and our children. I Love that our story is giving God glory.
I am sorry if it offends anyone that we are happy and blessed,(in fact I am not sorry actually) but surely that is what God does. He blesses those who are faithful and act with dignity and fairness and faithfullness.

You keep talking about my 'lifestyle' I am a married women with three great kids and a great husband and I love God.  I try to be the best wife that I can the best mum that I can and the best friend that I can to my Friends.I Love being Gods precious daughter . So where does my 'lifestyle' fall short? I am doing what God had called me to do after very very difficult and painful things have happened in  my life.He has bought me into the light and to a wide open space and I make NO apologies for it.
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« Reply #69 on: November 04, 2009, 07:32:17 AM »

Its just good to emphasize the negative, more, in my opinion.
We have this urge to deny the overall statistics, and then to MAGNIFY the exceptions, which are indeed real and true, but think.....that person right now pondering divorce will absolutely cling to anything they can to make them FEEL better about what they want to do.

We do not take this tact in any other area of Christian life....NONE. There is not one sin (refering to those divorces that ARE groundless and sinful) there is not one sin, in any other area, that we celebrate the anecdotes about how someone came through that sin and it turned out OK. (chose I KNOW you had grounds my comments are general)
But you could fill this board with the "testimonies" of folks saying "well, worked out best for me" after divorce.

Imagine "I tried homosexuality, then I got past it, it all worked out well, Im forgiven now and all is well".....ABSURD

Why do we do that with divorce? Why do we offer WAY more feed for rationale for DOING it, than we do against it.

Saying its horrible and painful BUT in the long run it worked out, isnt really going to plant a seed of steadfast commitment or incent to work through problems.
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My point is that Christian grandmothers are suppose to say things for the benefit of the younger generation. One of the reasons I have never been divorced is because I do no allow my wife to have non-christian girl friends who are into the Lib.  We as a couple do not associate with divorced couples either. One of the reasons you probably don't know much about the conservative christian life style is because those people have been avoiding you.  Ever think of that? 
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My point is that Christian grandmothers are suppose to say things for the benefit of the younger generation. One of the reasons I have never been divorced is because I do no allow my wife to have non-christian girl friends who are into the Lib.  We as a couple do not associate with divorced couples either. One of the reasons you probably don't know much about the conservative christian life style is because those people have been avoiding you.  Ever think of that? 


  I think you have a very bizarre idea of who I am and who I associate with. My church is very Biblically based, and operates on godly principles. My pastor and the elders are very godly and wise men.We have many godly friends who love God and worship him,and who live their lives for Him. They can see what an amazing God we have who heals and restores and saves.
 
I feel sad for you if you think the only reason that your wife hasn't divorced you is because you wont allow her  to have non Christian friends. or to associate with divorced people.(Now if that isn't controlling then I don't know what is)We do not keep people by controlling them, that is very ungodly.

 I think you have a strange idea of  what being a Christian is. How can you or she ever reach out to others if you will never see them or talk to them. Don't you trust your wife enough to stay with you unless you restrict her life on this way? Is that the only way that you think she will stay with you?.  That is a life lived in fear.
We have friends who are both married and divorced. We have family who are both married and divorced. We love ALL of them. We accept ALL of them. We do not exclude the 'non desirables' (as you seem to see them)from our lives, in fact we welcome them as Jesus would.

I am frankly amazed at your feelings of fear and your attitude of control. You need to trust that your wife will stay with you because it is the right thing and because it is what God wants, rather than because you are making sure that she has to live a sheltered life away form anyone who may put some idea in her mind (or whatever it is that you are afraid of).
I find this quite incredible.

Divorce is not some infectious disease that you can catch. Divorced people are not second class citizens in Gods kingdom, (not to Him anyway). I find your whole attitude very troubling actually. So are you going to keep your wife away from anyone who smokes, drinks, swears, tells a lie, goes a little too fast in their car, is proud, boasts, is critical, judgemental or any other sin?Just in case it gives the idea that she too can do that?
You need to trust her and trust God and stop living in fear. 

BY the way I am definatetly NOT a grandmother, dont know where you got that idea from.
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« Reply #72 on: November 04, 2009, 09:34:03 AM »

Its just good to emphasize the negative, more, in my opinion.
We have this urge to deny the overall statistics, and then to MAGNIFY the exceptions, which are indeed real and true, but think.....that person right now pondering divorce will absolutely cling to anything they can to make them FEEL better about what they want to do.

We do not take this tact in any other area of Christian life....NONE. There is not one sin (refering to those divorces that ARE groundless and sinful) there is not one sin, in any other area, that we celebrate the anecdotes about how someone came through that sin and it turned out OK. (chose I KNOW you had grounds my comments are general)
But you could fill this board with the "testimonies" of folks saying "well, worked out best for me" after divorce.

Imagine "I tried homosexuality, then I got past it, it all worked out well, Im forgiven now and all is well".....ABSURD

Why do we do that with divorce? Why do we offer WAY more feed for rationale for DOING it, than we do against it.

Saying its horrible and painful BUT in the long run it worked out, isnt really going to plant a seed of steadfast commitment or incent to work through problems.


 I see where you are coming from, but does that mean that I should deny or play down the miracle that God has done?. My marriage break up and the reason for it bought 6 years of hell.
I would never advise ANYONE to divorce. It is horrible, but sometimes it is the only option and sometimes the other spouse does the divorcing anyway,so that we have no choice as in my husbands case.
 God has bought me out of hell, out of darkness, and into a large place, it is s story of restoration and healing, and I want people to know what God has done. Does this mean that divorce isn't horrible and painful and ruins many lives? No it doesn't mean that at all.. It means that for some God can and will bring hope and healing and recovery through another marriage as he has done with me.
It may give hope to those who have been through terrible marriage break ups after betrayal or serious abuse and are treated really badly by some Christians (not talking about you here)as if they were lepers who must be avoided in case others 'catch' what they have. Its a good job that Jesus didn't feel like that when he met the women at the well.

yes there are those who divorce for no good reason such as my husbands ex wife who was told by her pastor that she had no reason to be divorcing him, and that is totally selfish and wrong and inexcusible. I am definitely NOT saying that ANYONE should divorce for such things, it is sinful and ungodly..
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My point is that Christian grandmothers are suppose to say things for the benefit of the younger generation. One of the reasons I have never been divorced is because I do no allow my wife to have non-christian girl friends who are into the Lib.  We as a couple do not associate with divorced couples either. One of the reasons you probably don't know much about the conservative christian life style is because those people have been avoiding you.  Ever think of that? 


  I think you have a very bizarre idea of who I am and who I associate with. My church is very Biblically based, and operates on godly principles. My pastor and the elders are very godly and wise men.We have many godly friends who love God and worship him,and who live their lives for Him. They can see what an amazing God we have who heals and restores and saves.
 
I feel sad for you if you think the only reason that your wife hasn't divorced you is because you wont allow her  to have non Christian friends. or to associate with divorced people.(Now if that isn't controlling then I don't know what is)We do not keep people by controlling them, that is very ungodly.

 I think you have a strange idea of  what being a Christian is. How can you or she ever reach out to others if you will never see them or talk to them. Don't you trust your wife enough to stay with you unless you restrict her life on this way? Is that the only way that you think she will stay with you?.  That is a life lived in fear.
We have friends who are both married and divorced. We have family who are both married and divorced. We love ALL of them. We accept ALL of them. We do not exclude the 'non desirables' (as you seem to see them)from our lives, in fact we welcome them as Jesus would.

I am frankly amazed at your feelings of fear and your attitude of control. You need to trust that your wife will stay with you because it is the right thing and because it is what God wants, rather than because you are making sure that she has to live a sheltered life away form anyone who may put some idea in her mind (or whatever it is that you are afraid of).
I find this quite incredible.

Divorce is not some infectious disease that you can catch. Divorced people are not second class citizens in Gods kingdom, (not to Him anyway). I find your whole attitude very troubling actually. So are you going to keep your wife away from anyone who smokes, drinks, swears, tells a lie, goes a little too fast in their car, is proud, boasts, is critical, judgemental or any other sin?Just in case it gives the idea that she too can do that?
You need to trust her and trust God and stop living in fear. 

BY the way I am definatetly NOT a grandmother, dont know where you got that idea from.

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There you go again!  Completely missed my point!  Let me say it another way.  For the benefit of the younger generation we are not to witness for Satan, and tell the the young people how great it is after Satan has ruined our life.
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My point is that Christian grandmothers are suppose to say things for the benefit of the younger generation. One of the reasons I have never been divorced is because I do no allow my wife to have non-christian girl friends who are into the Lib.  We as a couple do not associate with divorced couples either. One of the reasons you probably don't know much about the conservative christian life style is because those people have been avoiding you.  Ever think of that? 


  I think you have a very bizarre idea of who I am and who I associate with. My church is very Biblically based, and operates on godly principles. My pastor and the elders are very godly and wise men.We have many godly friends who love God and worship him,and who live their lives for Him. They can see what an amazing God we have who heals and restores and saves.
 
I feel sad for you if you think the only reason that your wife hasn't divorced you is because you wont allow her  to have non Christian friends. or to associate with divorced people.(Now if that isn't controlling then I don't know what is)We do not keep people by controlling them, that is very ungodly.

 I think you have a strange idea of  what being a Christian is. How can you or she ever reach out to others if you will never see them or talk to them. Don't you trust your wife enough to stay with you unless you restrict her life on this way? Is that the only way that you think she will stay with you?.  That is a life lived in fear.
We have friends who are both married and divorced. We have family who are both married and divorced. We love ALL of them. We accept ALL of them. We do not exclude the 'non desirables' (as you seem to see them)from our lives, in fact we welcome them as Jesus would.

I am frankly amazed at your feelings of fear and your attitude of control. You need to trust that your wife will stay with you because it is the right thing and because it is what God wants, rather than because you are making sure that she has to live a sheltered life away form anyone who may put some idea in her mind (or whatever it is that you are afraid of).
I find this quite incredible.

Divorce is not some infectious disease that you can catch. Divorced people are not second class citizens in Gods kingdom, (not to Him anyway). I find your whole attitude very troubling actually. So are you going to keep your wife away from anyone who smokes, drinks, swears, tells a lie, goes a little too fast in their car, is proud, boasts, is critical, judgemental or any other sin?Just in case it gives the idea that she too can do that?
You need to trust her and trust God and stop living in fear. 

BY the way I am definatetly NOT a grandmother, dont know where you got that idea from.

chosenone-

There you go again!  Completely missed my point!  Let me say it another way.  For the benefit of the younger generation we are not to witness for Satan, and tell the the young people how great it is after Satan has ruined our life.

Ah, so anyone who has been through terrible times and suffering from what Satan has done in their lives is NOT allowed to tell anyone  that God is able to heal and  restore  to us what we have lost.  They are not allowed to give God the glory for the amazing things that He has done in their lives,even though the Bible actually says that God will restore to us ALL that the locusts have eaten. (I was actually given that verse 2 years before I met my wonderful husband)


I find this incredible. I love to hear stories of how God has changed and healed and delivered and restored. I love to hear of lives that have been in darknes bought into the light. I love to hear of people who have been in the pit who Jesus has bought out and put their feet on the rock.
He is a healing restoring and amazing God who LOVES to show just what He can do to make our lives new.He LOVES to give his children second chances and New beginnings.  Maybe you dont believe that He does that but the Bible is full of stories that tell a different story.
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