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« Reply #35 on: Mon Jan 20, 2003 - 09:31:06 »
But its not about whether or not we are under some particular type of law.
Its about the fact that your preacher is turning marriage into a living entity that can be sinned against. This is perverse to say the least.

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« Reply #36 on: Mon Jan 20, 2003 - 17:32:44 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (Jesus4you @ Jan. 20 2003,5:01)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]I'm afraid he try and \"mark \" me, before the congregation as he has done with others. :(

By the way,

When is it O.K. to name names publically in a derogatory way ? :blush:[/quote]
In answer to your question, it is never right to speak in a derogatory manner publicly about someone else who is trapped in sin.

\"Let no evil talk come out of your mouth, but only such as is good for edifying, as fits the occasion, that it may impart grace to those who hear.\"  (Ephesians 4:29)

Even when someone must be disfellowshipped it must always be dones with boatloads of love.  The goal is to love the person enough that they want to come back to God, right?  How can that happen if they feel continually put down.

They should not be maligned, used as an illustration in a sermon or lesson, or gossipped about.  If we do that, maybe we are the next people who need to be put out of the church.

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« Reply #37 on: Tue Jan 21, 2003 - 04:24:33 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (david johnson @ Jan. 21 2003,05:35)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--][!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]I'm afraid he try and \"mark \" me, before the congregation as he has done with others. :(

By the way,

When is it O.K. to name names publically in a derogatory way ? :blush:[/quote]
stay and confront him as soon as he does this.  use the 'have you no shame' that got rid of sen. joe mcarthy. you will be vindicated.  the preacher does not live that will 'mark' me or mine in a service and not come away much worse off.

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David,

To what avail? Do you think a man as meanspirited as this will respond favourably to public confrontation?

Personally I believe he needs to be brought to his peers and allow them to reach him, for this I suggest here at GCM.

Say would it be possible to have his email? I would be willing to write him and invite him here.

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« Reply #38 on: Tue Jan 21, 2003 - 10:00:24 »
My preacher has stated that when a person comes into Christ, he comes into Christ \"living in sin\" if #1 he comes to Christ  with a marriage other than for adultry of death and then#2 understands it as a willful sin. Therefore, the new convert must divorce.

This seems to completely ignore Romans 6:20 \"When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness.

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« Reply #39 on: Tue Jan 21, 2003 - 10:44:13 »
in the bible jesus say that the only reason one may \"send away\" their spouse is the impropriety of adultery...
i do not see how those verses apply to divorce, since the jews understood \"sending away\" and divorce to be different occurances. and the word used in the gospels and even in 1 corinthians as DIVORCE is usually not divorce, but the term \"send away\"... so if you send away your spouse, without a divorce, THEN by remarrying you are in adultery, by not divorcing them as is necessary and permissible
\"sending away\" for adultery is actually a merciful action, since the usual thing that happened when a spouse went astray was for them to be stoned.
there are no verses i can think of that say divorce is not permissible; one may even \"send away\" their spouse, w/o divorce, and have the \"sending\" be permissible - that still applies today! (as long as they don't remarry b4 giving the other a certificate of divorce)
i think the remarrying issue is due almost exclusively to poor translations stemming from the agendas of the catholic church

now here's the other side... divorce is something that God hates
and divorce was made to be permissible under moses and \"the law\"
and most of us argue that the law has no place in Christianity, therefore negating the right or \"permissiveness\" of divorce
therefore is one does what God hates, it's sin... not unforgivable, but not permissible

but then there's the implications of 1 Corinthians 7:12
\"But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her.\"
not the Lord, but paul implies that if the wife doesn't consent to live with a \"brother\", that he may divorce her
so, not just adultery but not being christian may both be reason to at least \"send away\", ?

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« Reply #40 on: Fri Jan 24, 2003 - 11:48:45 »
To the anonymous writer:

The legalist's position is absolutely an anathema to the core of the gospel - that being God's grace.  

I'll say this without equivocation:  the legalistic attitude should not be tolerated.  Note I am referring to the \"position\" or the \"attitude\" not the legalist.  The harm done is just too great.  And most importantly, the legalistic position or view is not Christ centered and moves the focus from the author of our salvation to the person who has no power whatsoever in attaining that which the legalist purports is attainable.  The legalist misleads in suggesting that one's behavior is the key to attaining God's favor.  There is only one obedience that saves - that of Christ Jesus.  Trusting in all that He accomplished is the key to everlasting life.

I don't wish to come across as strident and forgive me if I do, but I truly believe legalism should be met head on.  Paul would not countenance it and had our Lord's wisdom and courage to confront none other than Peter, himself.  God's grace and love were wonderfully revealed through Peter's reception, repentance and acceptance of Paul's correction.  

Lastly, I confront such attitudes in my personal life on a daily basis.  I'm sure we all do.  I can become pretty righteous in my own eye at times and forget where my righteousness truly lies.  And sometimes I think that I have kinda earned blessing from God and forget what I truly deserve and the horrible price that had to be paid to free me from the deserving consequence of my sin.  I read something once that went along the lines of:  while I may think I'm undeserving of God's grace the truth of the matter is I'm ill-deserving. It's not that I'm undeserving of heaven, it's that I am truly deserving of hell.  That is terribly humbling.

We must be very, very careful about what we bind on one another.

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« Reply #41 on: Fri Jan 24, 2003 - 15:42:27 »
Thanks, Charlie.

I've appreciated your contributions very much.

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« Reply #42 on: Mon Jan 27, 2003 - 07:14:58 »
The holy men(Hebrews 11) of old were polygamists and adulterers (David) chosen by God before the world began.

 Would God condemn us for any less than he condemned them  , as far as marital improprieties go ?  

If Yes , Why?

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« Reply #43 on: Mon Jan 27, 2003 - 12:05:33 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]Honestly, I've never been totally sold on that interpretation, although I can't think of a better one. \"Taking on the stigma\" doesn't require any more of a stretch. But the two have very different results.  [/quote]
AND THIS interpretation is harmonious with Deut 24 where the divorced woman is allowed to remarry.  Would make it strange that Jesus would contradict Moses.

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« Reply #44 on: Sun Jan 19, 2003 - 16:34:25 »
Personally I still think the preacher's priority should be to engage an excellent barrister! :pray:

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« Reply #45 on: Mon Jan 20, 2003 - 04:32:07 »
Below is my rebuttle. The preacher also told me that people that who hold to the fact that an unscriptural marriage is not a continuous sin just want more grace so that they can sin more. I disagree with that as a blanket statement.  He also said the man having his father's wife ( 1 Cor 6) is an example of Paul commanding divorcing a second spouse and said \"the two shall become one flesh (1 Cor 6:16) does not mean same as \"the two shall become one flesh in Matt 19 but 1 Cor 6 means only sexually.  I think in God's eyes it means the same thing.  He also said the Deut 24 passage  applied only because they were allowed certicates because there hearts were hard at that time.  But I think there is a principle there beyond that.  He also said in Bible class ,but then he backed off of it because of Hebrews 11, that he didn't think Abraham and David were going to heaven because of their marriages , citing the example of Solomon.


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Romans 7:7ff  what shall we say, then?  Is the law sin?  Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law…12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.

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« Reply #46 on: Mon Jan 20, 2003 - 08:35:47 »
:eek: OK... Except maybe for the \"bite me\" part... :frowning:

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« Reply #47 on: Mon Jan 20, 2003 - 10:00:39 »
j4u:

abraham didn't make it?  gee, and they still named paradise after him, wow.......pity.

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« Reply #48 on: Mon Jan 20, 2003 - 20:54:43 »
I cannot believe you're the only one who sees his position as creepy-culty.  If you can ask around without it becoming a gossip-fest, do so.  You could use some prayer & study with like-minded people.

  :) Not that you don't get that here... ;)

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« Reply #49 on: Tue Jan 21, 2003 - 07:05:08 »
Booty,
I don't know if he would come here.  In all fairness, he did admit the possibility that his position could be wrong , but stated that this is the way he sees it and teaches it and cited Romans 14, saying that he had come to it for the Lord.

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Could you guys help me with the subject of polygamy?  It seems to make wholes in the divorce the second wife and return to the first wife theology.  The hall of fame of faith(Hebrews11)were polygamists .  God sets them up for us as shining lights and tells us to imitate their faith, because on that basis(faith) they and we will be accepted.


People who hold to the narrow view say God overlooked polygamy.  Where does it say in the Bible that God overlooked polygamy?  It doesn't.  It does says that God accepted the holy men of old as righteous by their faith(Hebrews 11).

If he overlooked  polygamy and accepted the holy men of old by faith.  Wouldn't it make sense that  he would do the same for those that others deem hell bound for \"unscriptural marriages.\"

Lauren
Is polygamy acceptable today in God's eyes?

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« Reply #50 on: Tue Jan 21, 2003 - 10:27:56 »
The main argument is from Rom 7:1-3 (NIV)
1 Do you not know, brothers --for I am speaking to men who know the law --that the law has authority over a man only as long as he lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. 3 So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man.

First Paul is taking something that would be familiar to his readers, something they may have understood, and saying that our first husband (calling all Christians women!) was sin, but now we have died to sin, (or perhaps sin has died) and we are now free to marry Christ.

Paul does this elsewhere, citing an understanding or practice without questioning the practice itself.  1 Cor 15 Paul talks about being baptized for the dead.(verse 29 and following).  He does not say whether this is a good practice or not (the idea was adopted into Catholicism), rather his point is that without a resurrection then there is no point in the practice because the dead will not then be raised.  So there must be a resurrection.

Paul will use illustrations to make a point, and he is not there teaching on that practice, but rather using what people think or do to make a point.  This passage only reflects the understanding of marriage that was previlant (sp?) at the time, not even what the Christian understanding should be.  It is passages like this that are used out of their context that make Paul seem to people to be anti-women, and oppressive.

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« Reply #51 on: Thu Jan 23, 2003 - 18:21:45 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--][!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--][!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]I'm afraid he try and \"mark \" me, before the congregation as he has done with others. :(

By the way,

When is it O.K. to name names publically in a derogatory way ? :blush:[/quote]
stay and confront him as soon as he does this.  use the 'have you no shame' that got rid of sen. joe mcarthy. you will be vindicated.  the preacher does not live that will 'mark' me or mine in a service and not come away much worse off.

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David,

To what avail? Do you think a man as meanspirited as this will respond favourably to public confrontation?

Personally I believe he needs to be brought to his peers and allow them to reach him, for this I suggest here at GCM.

Say would it be possible to have his email? I would be willing to write him and invite him here.[/quote]
booty:

why?  because it needs to be done!........
...and i doubt we would be peers in his eyes.
where the favourableness of his response rests on the scale is not important at this time, but standing up to bullyism is.
as long as he has a delusion that he knows which end is up and that he can freely 'brand' the unlearned (in his eyes) in public, he will continue to do so.
whether it's done forcefully or politely is up to lauren.

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« Reply #52 on: Fri Jan 24, 2003 - 09:43:19 »
Was the point of that story to put down your \"legalist\" brother or did you expect to lift yourself up from the praise you'd get on this board? This Christianity is not a war on \"legalists\", it is a war on sin.

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« Reply #53 on: Sat Jan 25, 2003 - 19:31:40 »
the question arkstfan is not to attack you personally
i am curious, however, - would you have written that post with your brother standing next to you reading over your shoulder. i think not.
i have heard gossip defined as anything you would only say about someone when they are not there to defend themselves.
you could simply have presented the verses without slandering your fellow christian. the illustration was not necessary.
mine was a question of curiosity. i questioned your motives because you are the only one who knows what they were. getting DEfensive over that question means that you think you deserve have someone be Offensive at you.
and as i present no position on divorce here, there is nothing to validate, as a visitor i was simply struck with the flippancy of your attack on a CHRISTIAN, misguided as he may be.

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« Reply #54 on: Mon Jan 27, 2003 - 14:01:17 »
Yes, but from the context of Matt 5, does it seem like Jesus is talking about stigmas attached to non-sinful acts, or is he talking about sinful acts? I have a hard time believing that when Jesus says she is made to commit adultery that she is not sinning, unless you say she is made [out] to commit adultery.
But even so, the man who marries a divorcee commits adultery. That too is not condemned in Deut 24. Is he just getting the stigma too?

I am confused. I can't believe it's this complicated.

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« Reply #55 on: Wed Jan 29, 2003 - 09:23:38 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]The next word in common passages on divorce he discusses is CHORIZO, which means simply \"to put apart\" and is translated in the following examples as DEPART.  This is used in Acts 1:4, Acts 18:1,2 ; 1Cor 7:10,11,15.  What he says about the understanding of the word useage by those who understood the Greek was that they would have understood it to mean separation (without a divorcement), and that is the reason for the statement in 1 Cor 7:11, 15 that she must not marry but be reconciled to her husband.  If she were divorced, then she would not have a husband to be reconciled to.[/quote]

Precisely.  The idea of the marriage being over, for good reasons or bad, over, means the former spouses are not now married.  It might be a really stupid idea for me to marry someone who changes wives like he changes socks... and there may be all sorts of issues he needs to deal with re: repentance for past idiocy, but if he's not married and I'm not, we can marry.

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« Reply #56 on: Sun Jan 19, 2003 - 16:54:00 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]Personally I still think the preacher's priority should be to engage an excellent barrister! [/quote]


Excellent advice.

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« Reply #57 on: Mon Jan 20, 2003 - 03:06:19 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (Jesus4you @ Jan. 19 2003,2:45)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--];) Cute! Do you think that will fly if I discussed the issue with him again? :cry:[/quote]
lauren:

probably not.  ask him how a 2nd divorce (not for adultry-sin, in his eyes) = turning away from sin.  is the repenter doomed if the first spouse has remarried and refuses to go along with the idea?
did the woman Jesus spoke with go back to husband #1 ( of 6 or 7)?

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« Reply #58 on: Mon Jan 20, 2003 - 08:42:12 »
jANINE,
In the voice of Gary Cole via the movie \"office Space\" : yeahhh, that was sort of a joke..  yeahh

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« Reply #59 on: Mon Jan 20, 2003 - 11:31:39 »
It gets even weirder when they start dissecting the \"guilty party/innocent party\" fault-percentages.

Never have understood how, in some scenarios, the one who did not mess up the marriage thru adultery is free to marry again after the divorce, while the \"guilty party\" is eternally NOT free to marry again.

To whom is the adulterer married, so as to me ineligible to remarry, when his/her spouse is UNmarried now & can remarry?

Hunh?!?

(I know, I express myself so clearly...)

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« Reply #60 on: Mon Jan 20, 2003 - 18:55:31 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (spurly @ Jan. 20 2003,5:32)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--][!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]I'm afraid he try and \"mark \" me, before the congregation as he has done with others. :(

By the way,

When is it O.K. to name names publically in a derogatory way ? :blush:[/quote]
In answer to your question, it is never right to speak in a derogatory manner publicly about someone else who is trapped in sin.

\"Let no evil talk come out of your mouth, but only such as is good for edifying, as fits the occasion, that it may impart grace to those who hear.\"  (Ephesians 4:29)

Even when someone must be disfellowshipped it must always be dones with boatloads of love.  The goal is to love the person enough that they want to come back to God, right?  How can that happen if they feel continually put down.

They should not be maligned, used as an illustration in a sermon or lesson, or gossipped about.  If we do that, maybe we are the next people who need to be put out of the church.

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Ummm....

What he said!

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« Reply #61 on: Tue Jan 21, 2003 - 07:27:00 »
Lots of things (divisions among His people, for example) are unacceptable in God's eyes today, but He hasn't hit us with lightning bolts.  Yet.  He is patient.

Jesus did refer back to God's original idea (\"the two shall become one flesh\") as the way God wants it, yes?

And the laws of this country, anyway, forbid polygamous marriages.

What are you digging into it to see?  Basically that people were credited with righteousness despite all sorts of imperfections in their lives?

My question more specifically would be about what (if anything) we can draw from the NT about the treatment of new converts who were polygamous.  Wouldn't there have been even a secularly-recorded stink raised, if new Christians were tossing out their superfluous spouses right & left?

And the \"husband of one wife\" bit, re: elders... I never have read that to mean \"He cannot ever have been divorced/widowed & remarried\", as some in the brotherhood do.  I've always understood that to be more to do with not setting up the polygamists & concubine-keepers as a role model, an effort to reach for the \"one + one = one flesh\" ideal in a shepherd.

I've always been a little weird, though. :crackup:

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« Reply #62 on: Tue Jan 21, 2003 - 10:13:52 »
Lauren,
If they are unaware that there is anything spiritually unforgivable about being guilty of adultery-by-marriage, and are then made aware of it (by your preacher or somebody), then at what point do they begin \"living in sin?\" According to your #2 it is not until they understand it as willful sin. But if they were not committing willful sin when they were getting married, the adultery didn't occur there, by that reasoning. It's not until your preacher tells them that they are hellbound that, in his mind, it becomes true. They are not living in sin until your preacher tells them they are living in sin.

My, what power that man wields. Even God cannot cast the pure from his sight.

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« Reply #63 on: Tue Jan 21, 2003 - 15:03:52 »
Thanks... the rest of us can use such, too. :help:

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« Reply #64 on: Fri Jan 24, 2003 - 10:13:53 »
Normally I would agree with the anonymous poster and his or her dissent on the constant dessimation of the legalist's character but in the instance of the MDRgate error going on, these folks are doing plenty of harm to christianity and don't let them make you think they are weak.

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« Reply #65 on: Fri Jan 24, 2003 - 23:25:13 »
segell, thank you! We all need -- I know I do -- to be reminded that it is the righteousness of the Lord Jesus with which we are clothed.
I thank Him for using you to do that for us today, and I thank you for being His servant. God bless you.

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« Reply #66 on: Mon Jan 27, 2003 - 14:59:27 »
Both are receiving the stigma and yes sinful acts , or a sinful act is being condemned. But its not the person being divorced, it is the man divorcing that is being condemned.  The Lord is saying that the man in this situation is guilty of her being made an adulteress, or appearing to be one.

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« Reply #67 on: Tue Jan 28, 2003 - 20:14:18 »
Jim,

Are you referring to the article that was Wineskins several years ago?  Very interesting article!

Has anyone read the book \"Marriage is God's Plan\" by Dyrel W. Collins (Star Bible Publications)?  It has an interesting look at the translation (or mistranslation and lack of understanding of how 1st century people understood) of the Greek in regards to the words APOLUO, used in Mat 1:19, 5:32 and 19:3, Mark 10:2, 10:4, 10:11, & Luke 16:18.  The word carries a meaning of \"to loose\" but is translated as PUT in the KJV and \"divorced in the NIV.  The Hebrew word SHALACH used in Deut 22:19-29, Isa 50:1, Jer. 3:1, and Jer 3:8, and carries the meaning \"to send forth\" is also translated as PUT.  According to Collins, this would have been properly understood by the Hebrews listening to Jesus as a wife being put out by the husband without a bill of divorcement.

He then goes on to discuss the Hebrew word, KERITHUTH, meaning \"a cutting off\", and translated as DIVORCEMENT, (writing of) in Deut. 24:1,3, and the Greek word APOSTASION (a setting or standing off aor away from) and also translated as a DIVORCEMENT, (writing of), in Matt 5:31, 19:7 and Mark 10:4.

The next word in common passages on divorce he discusses is CHORIZO, which means simply \"to put apart\" and is translated in the following examples as DEPART.  This is used in Acts 1:4, Acts 18:1,2 ; 1Cor 7:10,11,15.  What he says about the understanding of the word useage by those who understood the Greek was that they would have understood it to mean separation (without a divorcement), and that is the reason for the statement in 1 Cor 7:11, 15 that she must not marry but be reconciled to her husband.  If she were divorced, then she would not have a husband to be reconciled to.

All definitions are from Youngs Analytical Concordance to the BIBILE TWENTY-SECOND AMERICAN EDITION-REVISED.

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« Reply #68 on: Sun Jan 19, 2003 - 20:25:01 »
Just out of curiousity, did your preacher get his education from BMU?  Boston Movement University? :(
But seriously.  Why are some christians that teach this form of error so gung ho to prevent what they consider unscriptural marriages?  I mean people!  Have you read some of these knuckleheads?  They don't even come on here anymore.  They hide in yahoo groups in bulletin boards that are hard to find.  I can only infer from their rhetoric that the rest of us non ascetics are bound for hell and they cannot even talk to us here because then well that would mean they were unequally yoked with unbelievers...
This MDR topic makes my blood boil.  The people that push this error cause so much psychological damage to people and damage to the potential of the kingdom.



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« Reply #69 on: Mon Jan 20, 2003 - 15:49:19 »
Ask him if it is ok with God to change the bible.
If he says that it is not, ask him why he is changing Matt 19:9.
If he asks you what that means tell him that
the terms \"puts away\" and \"marries\" are not past tense, but that he is implying they are when he says that if someone is put away (past tense) and they have married another (past tense) they are in continual adultery.  See what he says.

 

     
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