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« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2003, 03:32:07 AM »
Below is my rebuttle. The preacher also told me that people that who hold to the fact that an unscriptural marriage is not a continuous sin just want more grace so that they can sin more. I disagree with that as a blanket statement.  He also said the man having his father's wife ( 1 Cor 6) is an example of Paul commanding divorcing a second spouse and said \"the two shall become one flesh (1 Cor 6:16) does not mean same as \"the two shall become one flesh in Matt 19 but 1 Cor 6 means only sexually.  I think in God's eyes it means the same thing.  He also said the Deut 24 passage  applied only because they were allowed certicates because there hearts were hard at that time.  But I think there is a principle there beyond that.  He also said in Bible class ,but then he backed off of it because of Hebrews 11, that he didn't think Abraham and David were going to heaven because of their marriages , citing the example of Solomon.


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Romans 7:7ff  what shall we say, then?  Is the law sin?  Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law…12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.

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« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2003, 03:32:07 AM »

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« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2003, 07:35:47 AM »
:eek: OK... Except maybe for the \"bite me\" part... :frowning:
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« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2003, 09:00:39 AM »
j4u:

abraham didn't make it?  gee, and they still named paradise after him, wow.......pity.

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« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2003, 09:00:39 AM »

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« Reply #48 on: January 20, 2003, 07:54:43 PM »
I cannot believe you're the only one who sees his position as creepy-culty.  If you can ask around without it becoming a gossip-fest, do so.  You could use some prayer & study with like-minded people.

  :) Not that you don't get that here... ;)
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« Reply #49 on: January 21, 2003, 06:05:08 AM »
Booty,
I don't know if he would come here.  In all fairness, he did admit the possibility that his position could be wrong , but stated that this is the way he sees it and teaches it and cited Romans 14, saying that he had come to it for the Lord.

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Could you guys help me with the subject of polygamy?  It seems to make wholes in the divorce the second wife and return to the first wife theology.  The hall of fame of faith(Hebrews11)were polygamists .  God sets them up for us as shining lights and tells us to imitate their faith, because on that basis(faith) they and we will be accepted.


People who hold to the narrow view say God overlooked polygamy.  Where does it say in the Bible that God overlooked polygamy?  It doesn't.  It does says that God accepted the holy men of old as righteous by their faith(Hebrews 11).

If he overlooked  polygamy and accepted the holy men of old by faith.  Wouldn't it make sense that  he would do the same for those that others deem hell bound for \"unscriptural marriages.\"

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« Reply #50 on: January 21, 2003, 09:27:56 AM »
The main argument is from Rom 7:1-3 (NIV)
1 Do you not know, brothers --for I am speaking to men who know the law --that the law has authority over a man only as long as he lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. 3 So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man.

First Paul is taking something that would be familiar to his readers, something they may have understood, and saying that our first husband (calling all Christians women!) was sin, but now we have died to sin, (or perhaps sin has died) and we are now free to marry Christ.

Paul does this elsewhere, citing an understanding or practice without questioning the practice itself.  1 Cor 15 Paul talks about being baptized for the dead.(verse 29 and following).  He does not say whether this is a good practice or not (the idea was adopted into Catholicism), rather his point is that without a resurrection then there is no point in the practice because the dead will not then be raised.  So there must be a resurrection.

Paul will use illustrations to make a point, and he is not there teaching on that practice, but rather using what people think or do to make a point.  This passage only reflects the understanding of marriage that was previlant (sp?) at the time, not even what the Christian understanding should be.  It is passages like this that are used out of their context that make Paul seem to people to be anti-women, and oppressive.

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« Reply #50 on: January 21, 2003, 09:27:56 AM »

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« Reply #51 on: January 23, 2003, 05:21:45 PM »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--][!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--][!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]I'm afraid he try and \"mark \" me, before the congregation as he has done with others. :(

By the way,

When is it O.K. to name names publically in a derogatory way ? :blush:[/quote]
stay and confront him as soon as he does this.  use the 'have you no shame' that got rid of sen. joe mcarthy. you will be vindicated.  the preacher does not live that will 'mark' me or mine in a service and not come away much worse off.

dj[/quote]
David,

To what avail? Do you think a man as meanspirited as this will respond favourably to public confrontation?

Personally I believe he needs to be brought to his peers and allow them to reach him, for this I suggest here at GCM.

Say would it be possible to have his email? I would be willing to write him and invite him here.[/quote]
booty:

why?  because it needs to be done!........
...and i doubt we would be peers in his eyes.
where the favourableness of his response rests on the scale is not important at this time, but standing up to bullyism is.
as long as he has a delusion that he knows which end is up and that he can freely 'brand' the unlearned (in his eyes) in public, he will continue to do so.
whether it's done forcefully or politely is up to lauren.

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« Reply #52 on: January 24, 2003, 08:43:19 AM »
Was the point of that story to put down your \"legalist\" brother or did you expect to lift yourself up from the praise you'd get on this board? This Christianity is not a war on \"legalists\", it is a war on sin.

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« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2003, 06:31:40 PM »
the question arkstfan is not to attack you personally
i am curious, however, - would you have written that post with your brother standing next to you reading over your shoulder. i think not.
i have heard gossip defined as anything you would only say about someone when they are not there to defend themselves.
you could simply have presented the verses without slandering your fellow christian. the illustration was not necessary.
mine was a question of curiosity. i questioned your motives because you are the only one who knows what they were. getting DEfensive over that question means that you think you deserve have someone be Offensive at you.
and as i present no position on divorce here, there is nothing to validate, as a visitor i was simply struck with the flippancy of your attack on a CHRISTIAN, misguided as he may be.

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« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2003, 06:31:40 PM »

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« Reply #54 on: January 27, 2003, 01:01:17 PM »
Yes, but from the context of Matt 5, does it seem like Jesus is talking about stigmas attached to non-sinful acts, or is he talking about sinful acts? I have a hard time believing that when Jesus says she is made to commit adultery that she is not sinning, unless you say she is made [out] to commit adultery.
But even so, the man who marries a divorcee commits adultery. That too is not condemned in Deut 24. Is he just getting the stigma too?

I am confused. I can't believe it's this complicated.

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« Reply #54 on: January 27, 2003, 01:01:17 PM »

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« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2003, 08:23:38 AM »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]The next word in common passages on divorce he discusses is CHORIZO, which means simply \"to put apart\" and is translated in the following examples as DEPART.  This is used in Acts 1:4, Acts 18:1,2 ; 1Cor 7:10,11,15.  What he says about the understanding of the word useage by those who understood the Greek was that they would have understood it to mean separation (without a divorcement), and that is the reason for the statement in 1 Cor 7:11, 15 that she must not marry but be reconciled to her husband.  If she were divorced, then she would not have a husband to be reconciled to.[/quote]

Precisely.  The idea of the marriage being over, for good reasons or bad, over, means the former spouses are not now married.  It might be a really stupid idea for me to marry someone who changes wives like he changes socks... and there may be all sorts of issues he needs to deal with re: repentance for past idiocy, but if he's not married and I'm not, we can marry.
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« Reply #56 on: January 19, 2003, 03:54:00 PM »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]Personally I still think the preacher's priority should be to engage an excellent barrister! [/quote]


Excellent advice.

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« Reply #57 on: January 20, 2003, 02:06:19 AM »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (Jesus4you @ Jan. 19 2003,2:45)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--];) Cute! Do you think that will fly if I discussed the issue with him again? :cry:[/quote]
lauren:

probably not.  ask him how a 2nd divorce (not for adultry-sin, in his eyes) = turning away from sin.  is the repenter doomed if the first spouse has remarried and refuses to go along with the idea?
did the woman Jesus spoke with go back to husband #1 ( of 6 or 7)?

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« Reply #58 on: January 20, 2003, 07:42:12 AM »
jANINE,
In the voice of Gary Cole via the movie \"office Space\" : yeahhh, that was sort of a joke..  yeahh

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« Reply #59 on: January 20, 2003, 10:31:39 AM »
It gets even weirder when they start dissecting the \"guilty party/innocent party\" fault-percentages.

Never have understood how, in some scenarios, the one who did not mess up the marriage thru adultery is free to marry again after the divorce, while the \"guilty party\" is eternally NOT free to marry again.

To whom is the adulterer married, so as to me ineligible to remarry, when his/her spouse is UNmarried now & can remarry?

Hunh?!?

(I know, I express myself so clearly...)
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