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DNA and the Bible
« on: Sun Jul 28, 2013 - 10:47:24 »
Does the bible talk about DNA? It most certainly does, if you know how to identify it. DNA is the blueprint of life which is found in the chromosomes, of which, humans have 46. With this knowledge in mind, consider the passage below.

Joh 2:20  Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh 2:21  But he spake of the temple of his body.

God in his infinite wisdom reveals the existence of DNA by associating the true temple which is the body of Jesus with the number 46. The phrase “Forty and six” is found exactly 3 times in the King James Bible, which points to another uniquely human attribute: Body, Soul, and Spirit.

And once again, in the book of Genesis God reveals the existence of DNA in the 46 words spoken to Eve by the serpent.

Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?  Ye shall not surely die:
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Human DNA as we know it today came into existence with the eating of the forbidden fruit. The more I read the bible, the more amazed I am, it is an awesome book; all the mysteries of the world are revealed in it.

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« Reply #1 on: Sun Jul 28, 2013 - 12:49:52 »
Does the bible talk about DNA? It most certainly does, if you know how to identify it. DNA is the blueprint of life which is found in the chromosomes, of which, humans have 46. With this knowledge in mind, consider the passage below.

Joh 2:20  Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh 2:21  But he spake of the temple of his body.

God in his infinite wisdom reveals the existence of DNA by associating the true temple which is the body of Jesus with the number 46. The phrase “Forty and six” is found exactly 3 times in the King James Bible, which points to another uniquely human attribute: Body, Soul, and Spirit.

And once again, in the book of Genesis God reveals the existence of DNA in the 46 words spoken to Eve by the serpent.

Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?  Ye shall not surely die:
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Human DNA as we know it today came into existence with the eating of the forbidden fruit. The more I read the bible, the more amazed I am, it is an awesome book; all the mysteries of the world are revealed in it.


There are thousands of similar claims available on the internet, all with the Bible as basis.
Some of these claims say that the world ended 60 years ago (which it didn't), and I bet you will be able to find some claims that the world will end tomorrow.
People have been, and are juggling with numbers, tokens and signs...and are more often wrong than right.

It is really awesome that like reading the Bible and you should continue.
But don't put your hopes on vague claims and disputable statements. You are likely to become disillusioned and very disappointed.
The Bible is not a magic book with hidden answers to the mysteries of the universe.

Although highly entertaining, you are better off leaving speculation to those who have nothing better to do :)

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« Reply #2 on: Sun Jul 28, 2013 - 12:51:06 »
The Bible is not a magic book with hidden answers to the mysteries of the universe.

I agree.  If it were, it would be dabbling in mysticism.

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« Reply #3 on: Sun Jul 28, 2013 - 13:43:48 »
Does the bible talk about DNA? It most certainly does, if you know how to identify it. DNA is the blueprint of life which is found in the chromosomes, of which, humans have 46. With this knowledge in mind, consider the passage below.

Joh 2:20  Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh 2:21  But he spake of the temple of his body.

God in his infinite wisdom reveals the existence of DNA by associating the true temple which is the body of Jesus with the number 46. The phrase “Forty and six” is found exactly 3 times in the King James Bible, which points to another uniquely human attribute: Body, Soul, and Spirit.

And once again, in the book of Genesis God reveals the existence of DNA in the 46 words spoken to Eve by the serpent.

Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?  Ye shall not surely die:
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Human DNA as we know it today came into existence with the eating of the forbidden fruit. The more I read the bible, the more amazed I am, it is an awesome book; all the mysteries of the world are revealed in it.


There are thousands of similar claims available on the internet, all with the Bible as basis.
Some of these claims say that the world ended 60 years ago (which it didn't), and I bet you will be able to find some claims that the world will end tomorrow.
People have been, and are juggling with numbers, tokens and signs...and are more often wrong than right.

It is really awesome that like reading the Bible and you should continue.
But don't put your hopes on vague claims and disputable statements. You are likely to become disillusioned and very disappointed.
The Bible is not a magic book with hidden answers to the mysteries of the universe.

Although highly entertaining, you are better off leaving speculation to those who have nothing better to do :)

AVZ, you advise not to put my hopes in vague claims, but you offer no counter argument to back your claims up. What is your argument, what are the vague claims?

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« Reply #4 on: Sun Jul 28, 2013 - 23:35:58 »
Does the bible talk about DNA? It most certainly does, if you know how to identify it. DNA is the blueprint of life which is found in the chromosomes, of which, humans have 46. With this knowledge in mind, consider the passage below.

Joh 2:20  Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh 2:21  But he spake of the temple of his body.

God in his infinite wisdom reveals the existence of DNA by associating the true temple which is the body of Jesus with the number 46. The phrase “Forty and six” is found exactly 3 times in the King James Bible, which points to another uniquely human attribute: Body, Soul, and Spirit.

And once again, in the book of Genesis God reveals the existence of DNA in the 46 words spoken to Eve by the serpent.

Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?  Ye shall not surely die:
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Human DNA as we know it today came into existence with the eating of the forbidden fruit. The more I read the bible, the more amazed I am, it is an awesome book; all the mysteries of the world are revealed in it.


There are thousands of similar claims available on the internet, all with the Bible as basis.
Some of these claims say that the world ended 60 years ago (which it didn't), and I bet you will be able to find some claims that the world will end tomorrow.
People have been, and are juggling with numbers, tokens and signs...and are more often wrong than right.

It is really awesome that like reading the Bible and you should continue.
But don't put your hopes on vague claims and disputable statements. You are likely to become disillusioned and very disappointed.
The Bible is not a magic book with hidden answers to the mysteries of the universe.

Although highly entertaining, you are better off leaving speculation to those who have nothing better to do :)

AVZ, you advise not to put my hopes in vague claims, but you offer no counter argument to back your claims up. What is your argument, what are the vague claims?
I will use your DNA claim as an example to explain vague claims.

The linguistic argument
As a starter your claim that the 46 words spoken by the serpent refer to the number of chromosomes in the human body.
Well, here you already arrived at an uncertainty as we do not know what language was used at that time.
The earliest account of the creation story is written in Hebrew. And somewhere between creation and the earliest accounts of creation we had an event called "the tower of Babel".
Whether plausible or possible, we do not have sufficient information to state that the words mentioned in Genesis are in the actual language.
Hence the mathematical assumption fails by linguistic uncertainty.

Incorrect conclusion argument
Chromosomes and DNA are two different things. Similarly my hand and my fingers are different things.
A hand is still a hand, even though it only has 3 or 4 fingers.
If at all your claim would be proof of anything, than it would be proof for 46 chromosomes and not the existence of DNA.

The biological argument
Chromosomes are built up by DNA and not the other way around.
You need a lot of DNA to make 1 chromosome. You do not need 46 chromosomes to "prove" the existence of DNA...1 is enough.
Humans however have 46 paired chromosomes, dogs have 78, horses have 64 and frogs have 26
So the numbers 78, 64 and 26 would as much be magical numbers to explain DNA as your number 46.

The theological argument
We know of some numbers in the scriptures that carry a certain divine purpose. I am not sure if I should call them "holy" because in themselves the numbers are just what they are...numbers.
The "science" behind it (if you can call it science) is called numerology. In our specific case Biblical Numerology.
There is a whole list of these numbers, you can find them online. Unfortunately 46 is not one of them.
Now I am not saying that 46 therefore is not a "holy" number...I am saying that the notion to perceive this as a "holy" number is vague at least.


As you can see your claim can be approached from various different angles with various independent questions.
The answers to these questions are either non-existent or vague.
The claim you made (although not inherently dismissible) is vague by its presumptions.
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« Reply #5 on: Mon Jul 29, 2013 - 04:47:09 »
Does the bible talk about DNA? It most certainly does, if you know how to identify it. DNA is the blueprint of life which is found in the chromosomes, of which, humans have 46. With this knowledge in mind, consider the passage below.

Joh 2:20  Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh 2:21  But he spake of the temple of his body.

God in his infinite wisdom reveals the existence of DNA by associating the true temple which is the body of Jesus with the number 46. The phrase “Forty and six” is found exactly 3 times in the King James Bible, which points to another uniquely human attribute: Body, Soul, and Spirit.

And once again, in the book of Genesis God reveals the existence of DNA in the 46 words spoken to Eve by the serpent.

Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?  Ye shall not surely die:
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Human DNA as we know it today came into existence with the eating of the forbidden fruit. The more I read the bible, the more amazed I am, it is an awesome book; all the mysteries of the world are revealed in it.


There are thousands of similar claims available on the internet, all with the Bible as basis.
Some of these claims say that the world ended 60 years ago (which it didn't), and I bet you will be able to find some claims that the world will end tomorrow.
People have been, and are juggling with numbers, tokens and signs...and are more often wrong than right.

It is really awesome that like reading the Bible and you should continue.
But don't put your hopes on vague claims and disputable statements. You are likely to become disillusioned and very disappointed.
The Bible is not a magic book with hidden answers to the mysteries of the universe.

Although highly entertaining, you are better off leaving speculation to those who have nothing better to do :)

AVZ, you advise not to put my hopes in vague claims, but you offer no counter argument to back your claims up. What is your argument, what are the vague claims?
I will use your DNA claim as an example to explain vague claims.

The linguistic argument
As a starter your claim that the 46 words spoken by the serpent refer to the number of chromosomes in the human body.
Well, here you already arrived at an uncertainty as we do not know what language was used at that time.
The earliest account of the creation story is written in Hebrew. And somewhere between creation and the earliest accounts of creation we had an event called "the tower of Babel".
Whether plausible or possible, we do not have sufficient information to state that the words mentioned in Genesis are in the actual language.
Hence the mathematical assumption fails by linguistic uncertainty.

Incorrect conclusion argument
Chromosomes and DNA are two different things. Similarly my hand and my fingers are different things.
A hand is still a hand, even though it only has 3 or 4 fingers.
If at all your claim would be proof of anything, than it would be proof for 46 chromosomes and not the existence of DNA.

The biological argument
Chromosomes are built up by DNA and not the other way around.
You need a lot of DNA to make 1 chromosome. You do not need 46 chromosomes to "prove" the existence of DNA...1 is enough.
Humans however have 46 paired chromosomes, dogs have 78, horses have 64 and frogs have 26
So the numbers 78, 64 and 26 would as much be magical numbers to explain DNA as your number 46.

The theological argument
We know of some numbers in the scriptures that carry a certain divine purpose. I am not sure if I should call them "holy" because in themselves the numbers are just what they are...numbers.
The "science" behind it (if you can call it science) is called numerology. In our specific case Biblical Numerology.
There is a whole list of these numbers, you can find them online. Unfortunately 46 is not one of them.
Now I am not saying that 46 therefore is not a "holy" number...I am saying that the notion to perceive this as a "holy" number is vague at least.


As you can see your claim can be approached from various different angles with various independent questions.
The answers to these questions are either non-existent or vague.
The claim you made (although not inherently dismissible) is vague by its presumptions.

Thank you for this post, very well written in a few words, and well said. 

RB

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« Reply #6 on: Mon Jul 29, 2013 - 05:05:08 »
Does the bible talk about DNA? It most certainly does, if you know how to identify it. DNA is the blueprint of life which is found in the chromosomes, of which, humans have 46. With this knowledge in mind, consider the passage below.

Joh 2:20  Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh 2:21  But he spake of the temple of his body.

God in his infinite wisdom reveals the existence of DNA by associating the true temple which is the body of Jesus with the number 46. The phrase “Forty and six” is found exactly 3 times in the King James Bible, which points to another uniquely human attribute: Body, Soul, and Spirit.

And once again, in the book of Genesis God reveals the existence of DNA in the 46 words spoken to Eve by the serpent.

Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?  Ye shall not surely die:
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Human DNA as we know it today came into existence with the eating of the forbidden fruit. The more I read the bible, the more amazed I am, it is an awesome book; all the mysteries of the world are revealed in it.


There are thousands of similar claims available on the internet, all with the Bible as basis.
Some of these claims say that the world ended 60 years ago (which it didn't), and I bet you will be able to find some claims that the world will end tomorrow.
People have been, and are juggling with numbers, tokens and signs...and are more often wrong than right.

It is really awesome that like reading the Bible and you should continue.
But don't put your hopes on vague claims and disputable statements. You are likely to become disillusioned and very disappointed.
The Bible is not a magic book with hidden answers to the mysteries of the universe.

Although highly entertaining, you are better off leaving speculation to those who have nothing better to do :)

Greetings AVG,

I must disagree with your choice of words when you said these words:  "The Bible is not a magic book with hidden answers to the mysteries of the universe."~magic book? But it is a inspired book given to us by the God of heaven and earth.

Also: "with hidden answers to the mysteries of the universe."~You and I both know that the scriptures are~"God hidden mysteries" concerning all things that pertains to life and godliness, not so much as understanding the universe per say, other than, it was created for him, to serve his eternal purposes, that he purpose within himself.

Colossians 1:16,17

"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

I would not totally disagree with you, only your choice of words. Choosing our words carefully keep others from forming a wrong impression of our beliefs, or they might be forming the right understanding, if our understanding is not according to the word of God.

RB 


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Does the bible talk about DNA?
NO.


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Human DNA as we know it today came into existence with the eating of the forbidden fruit.
No it did not.  Human DNA came into existence when God made us.
Do you think Adam and Eve had no DNA before the fall?

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Re: DNA and the Bible
« Reply #8 on: Mon Jul 29, 2013 - 05:48:16 »
Does the bible talk about DNA?
NO.


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Human DNA as we know it today came into existence with the eating of the forbidden fruit.
No it did not.  Human DNA came into existence when God made us.
Do you think Adam and Eve had no DNA before the fall?

EDEN2004~Dave has a good point here, what do you have to say?  I am not picking on you, but I am following this post and want to learn.  RB

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« Reply #9 on: Mon Jul 29, 2013 - 05:48:52 »
Does the bible talk about DNA? It most certainly does, if you know how to identify it. DNA is the blueprint of life which is found in the chromosomes, of which, humans have 46. With this knowledge in mind, consider the passage below.

Joh 2:20  Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh 2:21  But he spake of the temple of his body.

God in his infinite wisdom reveals the existence of DNA by associating the true temple which is the body of Jesus with the number 46. The phrase “Forty and six” is found exactly 3 times in the King James Bible, which points to another uniquely human attribute: Body, Soul, and Spirit.

And once again, in the book of Genesis God reveals the existence of DNA in the 46 words spoken to Eve by the serpent.

Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?  Ye shall not surely die:
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Human DNA as we know it today came into existence with the eating of the forbidden fruit. The more I read the bible, the more amazed I am, it is an awesome book; all the mysteries of the world are revealed in it.


There are thousands of similar claims available on the internet, all with the Bible as basis.
Some of these claims say that the world ended 60 years ago (which it didn't), and I bet you will be able to find some claims that the world will end tomorrow.
People have been, and are juggling with numbers, tokens and signs...and are more often wrong than right.

It is really awesome that like reading the Bible and you should continue.
But don't put your hopes on vague claims and disputable statements. You are likely to become disillusioned and very disappointed.
The Bible is not a magic book with hidden answers to the mysteries of the universe.

Although highly entertaining, you are better off leaving speculation to those who have nothing better to do :)

Greetings AVG,

I must disagree with your choice of words when you said these words:  "The Bible is not a magic book with hidden answers to the mysteries of the universe."~magic book? But it is a inspired book given to us by the God of heaven and earth.

Also: "with hidden answers to the mysteries of the universe."~You and I both know that the scriptures are~"God hidden mysteries" concerning all things that pertains to life and godliness, not so much as understanding the universe per say, other than, it was created for him, to serve his eternal purposes, that he purpose within himself.

Colossians 1:16,17

"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

I would not totally disagree with you, only your choice of words. Choosing our words carefully keep others from forming a wrong impression of our beliefs, or they might be forming the right understanding, if our understanding is not according to the word of God.

RB 

As far as I can see Colossians 1:16-17 talks about Jesus. So all mysteries of the universe are in Jesus.
I am saying that the Bible is not a magic book that contains hidden answers to mysteries of the universe.
See, I talk about the Bible, you talk about Jesus.

Unless you disagree with me that the Bible and Jesus are not one and the same thing, then obviously the verses in Colossians are not applicable.

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Human DNA as we know it today came into existence with the eating of the forbidden fruit.
No it did not.  Human DNA came into existence when God made us.
Do you think Adam and Eve had no DNA before the fall?
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Slippery question and either way impossible to prove.
One thing we know for sure, creation before the fall was significantly different from creation after the fall.
We just don't know how much different.

Theoretically, Adam and Eve could not have had DNA...who knows?

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« Reply #11 on: Mon Jul 29, 2013 - 09:16:47 »
Does the bible talk about DNA? It most certainly does, if you know how to identify it. DNA is the blueprint of life which is found in the chromosomes, of which, humans have 46. With this knowledge in mind, consider the passage below.

Joh 2:20  Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh 2:21  But he spake of the temple of his body.

God in his infinite wisdom reveals the existence of DNA by associating the true temple which is the body of Jesus with the number 46. The phrase “Forty and six” is found exactly 3 times in the King James Bible, which points to another uniquely human attribute: Body, Soul, and Spirit.

And once again, in the book of Genesis God reveals the existence of DNA in the 46 words spoken to Eve by the serpent.

Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?  Ye shall not surely die:
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Human DNA as we know it today came into existence with the eating of the forbidden fruit. The more I read the bible, the more amazed I am, it is an awesome book; all the mysteries of the world are revealed in it.


There are thousands of similar claims available on the internet, all with the Bible as basis.
Some of these claims say that the world ended 60 years ago (which it didn't), and I bet you will be able to find some claims that the world will end tomorrow.
People have been, and are juggling with numbers, tokens and signs...and are more often wrong than right.

It is really awesome that like reading the Bible and you should continue.
But don't put your hopes on vague claims and disputable statements. You are likely to become disillusioned and very disappointed.
The Bible is not a magic book with hidden answers to the mysteries of the universe.

Although highly entertaining, you are better off leaving speculation to those who have nothing better to do :)

Greetings AVG,

I must disagree with your choice of words when you said these words:  "The Bible is not a magic book with hidden answers to the mysteries of the universe."~magic book? But it is a inspired book given to us by the God of heaven and earth.

Also: "with hidden answers to the mysteries of the universe."~You and I both know that the scriptures are~"God hidden mysteries" concerning all things that pertains to life and godliness, not so much as understanding the universe per say, other than, it was created for him, to serve his eternal purposes, that he purpose within himself.

Colossians 1:16,17

"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

I would not totally disagree with you, only your choice of words. Choosing our words carefully keep others from forming a wrong impression of our beliefs, or they might be forming the right understanding, if our understanding is not according to the word of God.

RB 

As far as I can see Colossians 1:16-17 talks about Jesus. So all mysteries of the universe are in Jesus.
I am saying that the Bible is not a magic book that contains hidden answers to mysteries of the universe.
See, I talk about the Bible, you talk about Jesus.

Unless you disagree with me that the Bible and Jesus are not one and the same thing, then obviously the verses in Colossians are not applicable.


They are not one and the same. The scriptures testify of Jesus, and that which testify of a person, is not the object/thing/person that it is testifying of. John 5:39
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Human DNA as we know it today came into existence with the eating of the forbidden fruit.
No it did not.  Human DNA came into existence when God made us.
Do you think Adam and Eve had no DNA before the fall?




AVZ said: "Slippery question and either way impossible to prove.
One thing we know for sure, creation before the fall was significantly different from creation after the fall.
We just don't know how much different.

Theoretically, Adam and Eve could not have had DNA...who knows?"


1. AVZ said: "As far as I can see Colossians 1:16-17 talks about Jesus. So all mysteries of the universe are in Jesus.
I am saying that the Bible is not a magic book that contains hidden answers to mysteries of the universe.
See, I talk about the Bible, you talk about Jesus.

Unless you disagree with me that the Bible and Jesus are not one and the same thing, then obviously the verses in Colossians are not applicable."......


They are not one and the same. The scriptures testify of Jesus, and that which testify of a person, is not the object/thing/person that it is testifying of. John 5:39

2. They had to, for they were our first parents, and from them all flesh comes, and the life of all flesh is in the blood. Lev. 17:11

Acts 17:26a

"And hath made of ONE BLOOD all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth...."

If we have DNA so did Adman and Eve.

RB
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1. AVZ said: "As far as I can see Colossians 1:16-17 talks about Jesus. So all mysteries of the universe are in Jesus.
I am saying that the Bible is not a magic book that contains hidden answers to mysteries of the universe.
See, I talk about the Bible, you talk about Jesus.

Unless you disagree with me that the Bible and Jesus are not one and the same thing, then obviously the verses in Colossians are not applicable."......


They are not one and the same. The scriptures testify of Jesus, and that which testify of a person, is not the object/thing/person that it is testifying of. John 5:39

2. They had to, for they were our first parents, and from them all flesh comes, and the life of all flesh is in the blood. Lev. 17:11

Acts 17:26a

"And hath made of ONE BLOOD all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth...."

If we have DNA so did Adman and Eve.

RB

1. so you agree with me. well, good.

2. I keep it quick. If the fall never happened, obviously Bible verses like Leviticus and Acts would likely not have existed.
Certainly the verse in Leviticus should draw your attention because we know that life is not in the blood.

Anyway, the message here is: We really do not know the specific conditions of creation before the fall.
The serpent appears to have had legs, and animals changed their behavior...all attributes we now describe to DNA.
For all we know God had a plan to create millions more humans, like He did with the angels, instead of sexual reproduction.

Though I agree with you that likely Adam and Eve had DNA claiming, I have DNA so Adam and Eve had DNA is assumptive.

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« Reply #13 on: Mon Jul 29, 2013 - 12:17:49 »
Does the bible talk about DNA?
NO.


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No it did not.  Human DNA came into existence when God made us.
Do you think Adam and Eve had no DNA before the fall?


Do you think Adam and Eve were created with DNA that had cancer, epilepsy, Downs Syndrome, lying, cheating, and death in it?

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« Reply #14 on: Mon Jul 29, 2013 - 12:25:38 »
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Do you think Adam and Eve were created with DNA that had cancer, epilepsy, Downs Syndrome, lying, cheating, and death in it?

The first 3 are clearly mutations following the fall.

The next 2 are not biologic issues at all; but may be in some spiritual analog to DNA.

Death is the curse God visited upon mankind for disobedience: "In the day you eat of it you shall surely die."

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« Reply #15 on: Mon Jul 29, 2013 - 16:20:23 »
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Do you think Adam and Eve were created with DNA that had cancer, epilepsy, Downs Syndrome, lying, cheating, and death in it?

The first 3 are clearly mutations following the fall.

The next 2 are not biologic issues at all; but may be in some spiritual analog to DNA.

Death is the curse God visited upon mankind for disobedience: "In the day you eat of it you shall surely die."

Dave, you must admit that you have no clue as to what is encoded in our DNA. You don't know and scientist don't know. Science is just now scratching the surface of DNA.

Also by your own admission and I quote "The first 3 are clearly mutations following the fall.". You yourself admitted that Adam and Eves DNA was changed after the fall.

mu·ta·tion 
/myo͞oˈtāSHən/
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The action or process of mutating.
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« Reply #16 on: Mon Jul 29, 2013 - 16:39:15 »
Does the bible talk about DNA?
NO.


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No it did not.  Human DNA came into existence when God made us.
Do you think Adam and Eve had no DNA before the fall?

EDEN2004~Dave has a good point here, what do you have to say?  I am not picking on you, but I am following this post and want to learn.  RB

Red, I know your not picking on me, you're a man of good character.

Yes, Adam and Eve had DNA before the fall, but that DNA did not contain sin, disease and corruption as our DNA today does. Its like Dave said in a later post "The first 3 are clearly mutations following the fall." Dave and everyone else here knows that a mutation in DNA is a "change" in DNA. In other words, Dave said Adam and Eves DNA was changed after the fall. I think that's exactly what I said. Go figure... lol.

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« Reply #17 on: Mon Jul 29, 2013 - 16:44:06 »
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Human DNA as we know it today came into existence with the eating of the forbidden fruit.
No it did not.  Human DNA came into existence when God made us.
Do you think Adam and Eve had no DNA before the fall?

Slippery question and either way impossible to prove.
One thing we know for sure, creation before the fall was significantly different from creation after the fall.
We just don't know how much different.

Theoretically, Adam and Eve could not have had DNA...who knows?

It's not a slippery question and its not impossible to answer. God gives us the answer in his word.

Rom_5:12  Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

There was no sin, no death, no mutated DNA before Adam sinned.
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« Reply #18 on: Mon Jul 29, 2013 - 16:53:25 »
Now that's the way to debate AVZ, argument and counterargument.


The linguistic argument
As a starter your claim that the 46 words spoken by the serpent refer to the number of chromosomes in the human body.
Well, here you already arrived at an uncertainty as we do not know what language was used at that time.
The earliest account of the creation story is written in Hebrew. And somewhere between creation and the earliest accounts of creation we had an event called "the tower of Babel".
Whether plausible or possible, we do not have sufficient information to state that the words mentioned in Genesis are in the actual language.
Hence the mathematical assumption fails by linguistic uncertainty.


Your linguistics argument is invalid because God didn't say 46 Hebrew words or 46 words of any other language were spoken by the serpent. The language the serpent spoke them in is irrelevant. The account God wrote in the English language records 46 words spoken by the serpent. God speaks to me in King James English, and if he has a message for me, he will deliver it to me In King James English.

Incorrect conclusion argument
Chromosomes and DNA are two different things. Similarly my hand and my fingers are different things.
A hand is still a hand, even though it only has 3 or 4 fingers.
If at all your claim would be proof of anything, than it would be proof for 46 chromosomes and not the existence of DNA.

I never said DNA and chromosomes are the same thing. If we know one exists, we know the other does also. I don't see your point in this argument.

The biological argument
Chromosomes are built up by DNA and not the other way around.
You need a lot of DNA to make 1 chromosome. You do not need 46 chromosomes to "prove" the existence of DNA...1 is enough.
Humans however have 46 paired chromosomes, dogs have 78, horses have 64 and frogs have 26
So the numbers 78, 64 and 26 would as much be magical numbers to explain DNA as your number 46.

As I said earlier, "I never said DNA and chromosomes are the same thing. If we know one exists, we know the other does also." You are correct, the number 46 is tied to human DNA, and that is the point I'm trying to make in this post. God reveals human DNA in the bible.

The theological argument
We know of some numbers in the scriptures that carry a certain divine purpose. I am not sure if I should call them "holy" because in themselves the numbers are just what they are...numbers.
The "science" behind it (if you can call it science) is called numerology. In our specific case Biblical Numerology.
There is a whole list of these numbers, you can find them online. Unfortunately 46 is not one of them.
Now I am not saying that 46 therefore is not a "holy" number...I am saying that the notion to perceive this as a "holy" number is vague at least.

There is no such thing as a divine number or holy number, numbers are benign and have no magical power. Understanding that God uses numbers as symbols the same way He uses words or titles as symbols is not numerology. If a person does not understand the symbolic use of numbers in the bible, he will never understand God's word. The bible is a spiritual book, and it is chocked full of hidden treasures. How do I know this, the bible tells me so and God has shown some of them to me, just like the ones we are debating now.

Pro 25:2  It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
Pro 25:3  The heaven for height, and the earth for depth, and the heart of kings is unsearchable.

As you can see your claim can be approached from various different angles with various independent questions.
The answers to these questions are either non-existent or vague.
The claim you made (although not inherently dismissible) is vague by its presumptions.

Here’s the point of the entire matter. Everyone who read my post more than likely knows that 46 chromosomes points to human DNA. Everyone who read my post does know that the number 46 was associated with the body of Jesus. Everyone does know that in the King James Bible the serpent spoke 46 words to Eve. Everyone knows that something drastically changed in Adam and Eve after they ate it and that drastic change has been passed down from generation to generation.

Everyone knows there is a possibility that God is showing his majesty by talking about things that shouldn’t have been known about back in that day. Everyone but me at this point rejects the possibility that God is showing his majesty and confounding the wisdom of the wise.

All of AVZ’s arguments are empty, they don’t disprove any of the facts I presented. AVZ and all the rest of you make a conscious decision to not believe it. No one can disprove or discount the facts that I presented… they aren’t mine. Everything I posted came straight from the KJV. The only thing in that post that belongs to me is my bringing to your attention that the number 46 points to DNA, which nobody can deny. It all comes down to faith people, either you believe the bible is the perfect, inerrant, infinite word of God, or you don’t. There is nothing in this world that can’t be found in that book.

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« Reply #19 on: Mon Jul 29, 2013 - 17:46:16 »

They are not one and the same. The scriptures testify of Jesus, and that which testify of a person, is not the object/thing/person that it is testifying of. John 5:39


Red I'm very surprised that you said that. I don't want to open up another can of worms, but hopefully you can see the point I'm trying to make here.

The scripture and the Word are not the same thing. The scripture is the literal text as an unbeliever would read it, they have no clue as to what the underlying meaning is. Jesus is pointing that out in Joh 5:39, the Jews knew the scriptures backwards and forwards, but yet they never new the true meaning of the words they were reading.

Joh 5:39  Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

I know this probably doesn't make sense, but the "Word" is not the literal text, the Word is the real meaning of the scripture as God intended it for his elect. That "Word" is Jesus Christ, and that Word is how we have a personal relationship with Christ in the sense that we actually get to know him just like you and I are getting to know one another.



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« Reply #20 on: Tue Jul 30, 2013 - 00:08:59 »
Genesis 1:1 (KJV) "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"

That's 10 words, and I have 10 toes!
Whoohoo...the Bible proves that I have toes.

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« Reply #21 on: Tue Jul 30, 2013 - 04:23:49 »
Genesis 1:1 (KJV) "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"

That's 10 words, and I have 10 toes!
Whoohoo...the Bible proves that I have toes.

Well, I would have to look into that, I really don't see the logic behind that though... LOL.
But I do know this, the number 10 points to the 10 commandments. Gen_24:10 is a story of how a father (God) sent out a servant (the law) to find his son (Jesus) a bride ( the Church).
10 commandments reveal our sin to us and which drives us to salvation in Christ.

Gen_24:10  And the servant took ten camels of the camels of his master, and departed; for all the goods of his master were in his hand: and he arose, and went to Mesopotamia, unto the city of Nahor.

Do you see what I mean, if you don't understand how God uses numbers as symbols then you don't see the gospel in Genesis 24. Check out the same type of symbolism in the book of Ruth. Boaz is Christ, the nearer kinsman is the law. How do I know the nearer kinsman is the law? Because the nearer kinsman "sat down and took ten men".

Rth 4:1  Then went Boaz up to the gate, and sat him down there: and, behold, the kinsman of whom Boaz spake came by; unto whom he said, Ho, such a one! turn aside, sit down here. And he turned aside, and sat down.
Rth 4:2  And he took ten men of the elders of the city, and said, Sit ye down here. And they sat down.
Rth 4:3  And he said unto the kinsman, Naomi, that is come again out of the country of Moab, selleth a parcel of land, which was our brother Elimelech's:




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« Reply #22 on: Tue Jul 30, 2013 - 04:34:44 »

They are not one and the same. The scriptures testify of Jesus, and that which testify of a person, is not the object/thing/person that it is testifying of. John 5:39


Red I'm very surprised that you said that. I don't want to open up another can of worms, but hopefully you can see the point I'm trying to make here.

The scripture and the Word are not the same thing. The scripture is the literal text as an unbeliever would read it, they have no clue as to what the underlying meaning is. Jesus is pointing that out in Joh 5:39, the Jews knew the scriptures backwards and forwards, but yet they never new the true meaning of the words they were reading.

Joh 5:39  Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

I know this probably doesn't make sense, but the "Word" is not the literal text, the Word is the real meaning of the scripture as God intended it for his elect. That "Word" is Jesus Christ, and that Word is how we have a personal relationship with Christ in the sense that we actually get to know him just like you and I are getting to know one another.

Greetings EDEN2004,

I am sorry that you are surprised~we will agree on some points here and different on some, but that does not mean that there is no no reason why we cannot eventually agree for the most part.

I am not sure what you meant when you said this: "the Word is the real meaning of the scripture as God intended it for his elect"~

I do agree with your words of wisdom when you said these words:The scripture is the literal text as an unbeliever would read it, they have no clue as to what the underlying meaning is.  Agree

Again you said: "I know this probably doesn't make sense, but the "Word" is not the literal text, the Word is the real meaning of the scripture as God intended it for his elect."  No, it does not make sense, specially since I can not find scriptural support for that saying. 

The real meaning of any scriptures is base upon the person speaking, if he is speaking according to the oracles of God, that has been committed to the church of Jesus Christ. Particular to the elders of the church~elders, meaning older men that have been in the faith for a considerable time.

Back to the Word is the real meaning of the scriptures as God intended it for his elect. I will agree that the scriptures has hidden truth and are there only for his chosen seed, that is not debatable.  The Word being the real meaning is confusing, at least in my little mind.  I could be corrected. 

I agree that the scriptures, overall considered, testify of Jesus Christ.  But dear soul, Jesus Christ is not the Word.  The Word in the beginning, was God!  The Word join himself to the humanity of Jesus of Nazareth, who was begotten in the womb of Mary, a young virgin woman of the nation of the Jews. The Word was NOT begotten, for He is eternal both ways!  Jesus, the Son of God was conceived in a womb of a virgin by the Holy Ghost, and from that point forward, the Word join himself to the tabernacle of the Son of the Living God.   This is a great mystery of godliness that Paul spoke of in 1 Timothy 3:16.  Emmanuel was not conceived, Jesus, the Son of God was!  The eternal Word was not conceived, but the Son of God was begotten.  Enough said.

RB
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« Reply #23 on: Tue Jul 30, 2013 - 04:53:29 »
 "It all comes down to faith people, either you believe the bible is the perfect, inerrant, infinite word of God, or you don’t. There is nothing in this world that can’t be found in that book."~EDEN2004, I commend you for your love and faith in the scriptures.   I love you for that.  RB

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« Reply #24 on: Tue Jul 30, 2013 - 05:03:52 »

They are not one and the same. The scriptures testify of Jesus, and that which testify of a person, is not the object/thing/person that it is testifying of. John 5:39


Red I'm very surprised that you said that. I don't want to open up another can of worms, but hopefully you can see the point I'm trying to make here.

The scripture and the Word are not the same thing. The scripture is the literal text as an unbeliever would read it, they have no clue as to what the underlying meaning is. Jesus is pointing that out in Joh 5:39, the Jews knew the scriptures backwards and forwards, but yet they never new the true meaning of the words they were reading.

Joh 5:39  Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

I know this probably doesn't make sense, but the "Word" is not the literal text, the Word is the real meaning of the scripture as God intended it for his elect. That "Word" is Jesus Christ, and that Word is how we have a personal relationship with Christ in the sense that we actually get to know him just like you and I are getting to know one another.

Greetings EDEN2004,

I am sorry that you are surprised~we will agree on some points here and different on some, but that does not mean that there is no no reason why we cannot eventually agree for the most part.

I am not sure what you meant when you said this: "the Word is the real meaning of the scripture as God intended it for his elect"~

I do agree with your words of wisdom when you said these words:The scripture is the literal text as an unbeliever would read it, they have no clue as to what the underlying meaning is.  Agree

Again you said: "I know this probably doesn't make sense, but the "Word" is not the literal text, the Word is the real meaning of the scripture as God intended it for his elect."  No, it does not make sense, specially since I can not find scriptural support for that saying. 

The real meaning of any scriptures is base upon the person speaking, if he is speaking according to the oracles of God, that has been committed to the church of Jesus Christ. Particular to the elders of the church~elders, meaning older men that have been in the faith for a considerable time.

Back to the Word is the real meaning of the scriptures as God intended it for his elect. I will agree that the scriptures has hidden truth and are there only for his chosen seed, that is not debatable.  The Word being the real meaning is confusing, at least in my little mind.  I could be corrected. 

I agree that the scriptures, overall considered, testify of Jesus Christ.  But dear soul, Jesus Christ is not the Word.  The Word in the beginning, was God!  The Word join himself to the humanity of Jesus of Nazareth, who was begotten in the womb of Mary, a young virgin woman of the nation of the Jews. The Word was NOT begotten, for He is eternal both ways!  Jesus, the Son of God was conceived in a womb of a virgin by the Holy Ghost, and from that point forward, the Word join himself to the tabernacle of the Son of the Living God.   This is a great mystery of godliness[/i] that Paul spoke of in 1 Timothy 3:16.  Emmanuel was not conceived, Jesus, the Son of God was!  The eternal Word was not conceived, but the Son of God was begotten.  Enough said.

RB

Red, you agreed that the literal text has an underlying meaning. That underlying meaning is the word. Take the example below.

Mat_5:30  And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

The literal text is suggesting that one should cut off his right hand to avoid hell. But we know that can't avoid hell by our works.
The underlying meaning is this, the right hand throughout the bible is a title for Jesus Christ, just like the Lamb is a title for Christ. The right hand in Matthew 5 is Jesus Christ, he became an offence for us and was cast into hell to pay for the sins of the body of Christ. One member of the body, Jesus Christ, suffered so we wouldn't have to.

Red I have to stop here, I know I didn't answer your question but I have to go to work. I'll get back to this as soon as I can. In nutshell, I believe that the bible teaches that the bible is Jesus. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." I can't explain it other than to say that I can't explain the Trinity either but I know it exists.

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Re: DNA and the Bible
« Reply #25 on: Tue Jul 30, 2013 - 05:21:57 »
EDEN2004 said: The literal text is suggesting that one should cut off his right hand to avoid hell. But we know that can't avoid hell by our works.Agree


 
The underlying meaning is this, the right hand throughout the bible is a title for Jesus Christ,Okay???? Maybe I need to go back to bed and get up and try this thing again!

just like the Lamb is a title for Christ. That I can agree with, for I read of that in the scriptures.

The right hand in Matthew 5 is Jesus Christ, You have a wonderful imagination, or should I out of control.  All I see in such statements/exhortations is this: that we should keep a strict watch over our senses, and be diligent to avoid all occasions of sin.  We should put to death to death our members, and go through this life without serving them and using them for our depraved desires. If there is any more than that there, then I am sorry that it is hidden from me. Or else, I would speak up.

he became an offence for us and was cast into hell Hell, being the grave, not literal hell fire!

to pay for the sins of the body of Christ. That he did indeed

One member of the body, Jesus Christ, suffered so we wouldn't have to.agree

RB

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« Reply #26 on: Tue Jul 30, 2013 - 05:37:22 »
Genesis 1:1 (KJV) "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"

That's 10 words, and I have 10 toes!
Whoohoo...the Bible proves that I have toes.

Actually the text is this:   

בְּרֵאשִׁית בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם וְאֵת הָאָֽרֶץ׃
Bereshit Bara Elohim et HaShamaim v'et HaEretz.

That is only 7 words.

You just lost 3 toes..  ::noworries::
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« Reply #27 on: Tue Jul 30, 2013 - 06:43:50 »
EDEN2004 said: The literal text is suggesting that one should cut off his right hand to avoid hell. But we know that can't avoid hell by our works.Agree


 
The underlying meaning is this, the right hand throughout the bible is a title for Jesus Christ,Okay???? Maybe I need to go back to bed and get up and try this thing again!

just like the Lamb is a title for Christ. That I can agree with, for I read of that in the scriptures.

The right hand in Matthew 5 is Jesus Christ, You have a wonderful imagination, or should I out of control.  All I see in such statements/exhortations is this: that we should keep a strict watch over our senses, and be diligent to avoid all occasions of sin.  We should put to death to death our members, and go through this life without serving them and using them for our depraved desires. If there is any more than that there, then I am sorry that it is hidden from me. Or else, I would speak up.

he became an offence for us and was cast into hell Hell, being the grave, not literal hell fire!

to pay for the sins of the body of Christ. That he did indeed

One member of the body, Jesus Christ, suffered so we wouldn't have to.agree

RB
Red, does your sin determine whether or not you go hell? In other words did Jesus pay for your sins completely, or do you have to add to His work by your works? The entire premise of Mat 5:30 is the body avoiding hell, and according to the argument you presented, hell is avoided by diligently avoiding all occasions of sin. Please correct me if I have summed this up incorrectly. We have to read the passage for what it says, there are only 2 ways to look at the verse, either the right hand is yours and you save yourself from hell, or the right hand is Jesus and he saves you from hell.

Mat 5:30  And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

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« Reply #28 on: Tue Jul 30, 2013 - 06:54:45 »
I have a related question:

We all know we have DNA from our parents that determine our physical make-up.   In college, the pastor of the church I attended occasionally mentioned that we also have a non-physical "spiritual heritage" from our parents similar to dna. 

Has anyone else heard of this and does anyone know of any scripture that would address (even indirectly) this issue?

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« Reply #29 on: Tue Jul 30, 2013 - 07:32:58 »
I have a related question:

We all know we have DNA from our parents that determine our physical make-up.   In college, the pastor of the church I attended occasionally mentioned that we also have a non-physical "spiritual heritage" from our parents similar to dna. 

Has anyone else heard of this and does anyone know of any scripture that would address (even indirectly) this issue?

I assume the pastor may have come to this conclusion through for example Exodus 34:7
"Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation"

In this verse it appears that children inherit the iniquity from their parents.
I am not sure though if we should look at this as some kind of genetic heritage.

But to be honest, I also do not know how to look at this.
I always wondered why whole families where punished for something the father did.

For example Joshua 7
"And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them unto the valley of Achor. And Joshua said, Why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones."

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« Reply #30 on: Tue Jul 30, 2013 - 07:50:25 »
Ah yes - iniquity is indeed a trans-generational issue. (bad effects of sins and transgressions that affect subsequent generations) That was not an application I had considered.

I can definitely see that on the negative (sin) side, but he was more using it on the positive side.  (obedience, callings, etc.)

Thanks - that helps with at least part of the question.

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« Reply #31 on: Tue Jul 30, 2013 - 08:00:41 »
Ah yes - iniquity is indeed a trans-generational issue. (bad effects of sins and transgressions that affect subsequent generations) That was not an application I had considered.

I can definitely see that on the negative (sin) side, but he was more using it on the positive side.  (obedience, callings, etc.)

Thanks - that helps with at least part of the question.

Deuteronomy 5 says it a bit different:
"Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, and shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments."

Both the negative and positive effect seem to be present.


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Re: DNA and the Bible
« Reply #32 on: Tue Jul 30, 2013 - 08:26:36 »
Yeah - I was thinking of that verse as well from your previous post.   I remember that one because it has an extra phrase "... of [or to] them that hate me."

I know some say the "thousands" has the "generations" implied but that is not clear in either Hebrew or English.

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Re: DNA and the Bible
« Reply #33 on: Tue Jul 30, 2013 - 12:39:33 »
Genesis 1:1 (KJV) "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"

That's 10 words, and I have 10 toes!
Whoohoo...the Bible proves that I have toes.

Well, I would have to look into that, I really don't see the logic behind that though... LOL.




His statement has just as much logic as yours - - - none. (That was the point.)

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« Reply #34 on: Tue Jul 30, 2013 - 20:27:18 »
Genesis 1:1 (KJV) "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"

That's 10 words, and I have 10 toes!
Whoohoo...the Bible proves that I have toes.

Well, I would have to look into that, I really don't see the logic behind that though... LOL.




His statement has just as much logic as yours - - - none. (That was the point.)

Hi Nevertheless.
There was no logic of mine in that post. I just posted verses out the bible and drew your attention to the number 46 and DNA. I understand that God was talking about DNA, and apparently you do not. It's not a big deal, some people see it but most don't. What I posted only scratched the surface of DNA in the bible and unfortunately no one is able understand the basics, so its impossible to take it deeper. When we understand the biblical concepts of DNA, words, and seed it sheds an awful lot of light on passages like 1Pe 1:23.

1Pe 1:23  Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Mankind is born again by words, just like 1Pe 1:23 tells us. We are born again by either the incorruptible seed... the word of God, which is the bible, or we are born again by the corruptible seed of the 46 words spoken to Adam and Eve by the serpent in the garden.