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« on: October 23, 2009, 02:04:36 PM »
Does God control the weather? Does He send deadly storms?


"Storms, floods, and earthquakes are indeed a part of the present world. We sometimes call them “natural disasters,” but they are not a surprise to God. Yes, God certainly can control the weather and send deadly storms.

Some have concluded that suffering occurs because it is beyond God's control. This is incorrect. God has indeed established certain laws and principles that govern nature, but he remains sovereign over these laws. Psalm 148:8 declares that storms “do his bidding.” Concerning Jonah, it was the Lord who "sent out a great wind into the sea, and there was a mighty tempest in the sea" (Jonah 1:4 KJV). Old Testament writers did not hesitate to attribute the forces of nature to God: "thy waterspouts … thy waves … thy billows" (Psalm 42:7 KJV). Today, God's creation is too often depersonalized. He is in control, and has His reasons for all kinds of weather, both fair and stormy."

The above in quotes " " copied from another web site.

So it would seem that God does indeed control the weather. But I am asking if he
still does since we are in the age of grace and after the resurrection of Jesus?
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2009, 02:33:50 PM »
Quote from: Sardine Can on October 23, 2009, 02:04:36 PM
Does God control the weather? Does He send deadly storms?


"Storms, floods, and earthquakes are indeed a part of the present world. We sometimes call them “natural disasters,” but they are not a surprise to God. Yes, God certainly can control the weather and send deadly storms.

Some have concluded that suffering occurs because it is beyond God's control. This is incorrect. God has indeed established certain laws and principles that govern nature, but he remains sovereign over these laws. Psalm 148:8 declares that storms “do his bidding.” Concerning Jonah, it was the Lord who "sent out a great wind into the sea, and there was a mighty tempest in the sea" (Jonah 1:4 KJV). Old Testament writers did not hesitate to attribute the forces of nature to God: "thy waterspouts … thy waves … thy billows" (Psalm 42:7 KJV). Today, God's creation is too often depersonalized. He is in control, and has His reasons for all kinds of weather, both fair and stormy."

The above in quotes " " copied from another web site.

So it would seem that God does indeed control the weather. But I am asking if he
still does since we are in the age of grace and after the resurrection of Jesus?


Sardine---

Thanks for the post.  I just started reading Jonah 1 this morning (I have been reading the Prophets through book by book and just finished Obadiah).  So, it was interesting when I saw your thread about storms, and then your quote from Jonah 1.   Smile
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2009, 03:16:24 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2009, 04:08:47 PM »

John 3:8  "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth." To me God set this into motion, and can intervene when He wants to.

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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2009, 05:52:39 PM »
We are in a fallen creation. Hurricanes, Tornadoes Earthquakes and the like are generally not by the hand of God

There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven. Luke 21:11


In any event Jesus didn't seem to lay the responsibility for the events of Luke 21:11 at the feet of God....did he?

Basically he seemed to be saying these things were going to happen because thats the way it is.

Lets put it like this in verses 9 and 10 he said there will be wars and nations and kingdoms rising against one another.....

Question is...is God controlling that too? I think not

When God intervenes it is not a haphazard random drive by killing of innocent people.

God has authority over the weather as He wills when He wills

But

When God manipulates the weather it is to achieve a purpose, such as Jonah, such as Paul, such as Noah...but Satan characterized by Paul as the god of this world in 2 Cor 4:4, the prince of the power of the air in Ephesian 2:2, by Jesus as the prince of this world  in John 14:30 and the one who offered Jesus the Kingdoms of the world in Luke 4:5

We know the earth was cursed and we ask God to bless and heal the land of His people ( 2 Chron 7:14, Deut 7:13, Ps 67:6 )

I think its clear, natural disasters, catastrophes, famine, drought and pestilence have their source in Satan 

That's my take on it
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2009, 06:44:23 PM »
God controls ALL things!  Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and CREATE DISASTER, I the Lord do all these things".
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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2009, 07:53:48 PM »
Quote from: gospel on October 23, 2009, 05:52:39 PM
We are in a fallen creation. Hurricanes, Tornadoes Earthquakes and the like are generally not by the hand of God

There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven. Luke 21:11


In any event Jesus didn't seem to lay the responsibility for the events of Luke 21:11 at the feet of God....did he?

Basically he seemed to be saying these things were going to happen because thats the way it is.

Lets put it like this in verses 9 and 10 he said there will be wars and nations and kingdoms rising against one another.....

Question is...is God controlling that too? I think not

When God intervenes it is not a haphazard random drive by killing of innocent people.

God has authority over the weather as He wills when He wills

But

When God manipulates the weather it is to achieve a purpose, such as Jonah, such as Paul, such as Noah...but Satan characterized by Paul as the god of this world in 2 Cor 4:4, the prince of the power of the air in Ephesian 2:2, by Jesus as the prince of this world  in John 14:30 and the one who offered Jesus the Kingdoms of the world in Luke 4:5

We know the earth was cursed and we ask God to bless and heal the land of His people ( 2 Chron 7:14, Deut 7:13, Ps 67:6 )

I think its clear, natural disasters, catastrophes, famine, drought and pestilence have their source in Satan 

That's my take on it


Maybe Jesus thought that everyone knew those things are caused by God.
I don't think Satan controls the weather nor any other stuff you mention.
God has already condemned us all to die from the garden of Eden. So why
not mess with us with the weather. In the OT He used weather to punish
mankind, so why not still do it since God never changes, and man is still sinful.
He did it in the OT times, so my ? is, does He still do it now in our time?
Or if not, is it because we are in the age of grace after Christ?
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2009, 07:23:35 AM »
Quote from: Sardine Can on October 23, 2009, 02:04:36 PM
Does God control the weather? Does He send deadly storms?


"Storms, floods, and earthquakes are indeed a part of the present world. We sometimes call them “natural disasters,” but they are not a surprise to God. Yes, God certainly can control the weather and send deadly storms.

Some have concluded that suffering occurs because it is beyond God's control. This is incorrect. God has indeed established certain laws and principles that govern nature, but he remains sovereign over these laws. Psalm 148:8 declares that storms “do his bidding.” Concerning Jonah, it was the Lord who "sent out a great wind into the sea, and there was a mighty tempest in the sea" (Jonah 1:4 KJV). Old Testament writers did not hesitate to attribute the forces of nature to God: "thy waterspouts … thy waves … thy billows" (Psalm 42:7 KJV). Today, God's creation is too often depersonalized. He is in control, and has His reasons for all kinds of weather, both fair and stormy."

The above in quotes " " copied from another web site.

So it would seem that God does indeed control the weather. But I am asking if he
still does since we are in the age of grace and after the resurrection of Jesus?

God does not send storms or the like today as he cannot do bad to mankind:-

James 1:13
When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone. 
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2009, 08:00:35 PM »
Quote from: godinone on October 24, 2009, 07:23:35 AM
Quote from: Sardine Can on October 23, 2009, 02:04:36 PM
Does God control the weather? Does He send deadly storms?


"Storms, floods, and earthquakes are indeed a part of the present world. We sometimes call them “natural disasters,” but they are not a surprise to God. Yes, God certainly can control the weather and send deadly storms.

Some have concluded that suffering occurs because it is beyond God's control. This is incorrect. God has indeed established certain laws and principles that govern nature, but he remains sovereign over these laws. Psalm 148:8 declares that storms “do his bidding.” Concerning Jonah, it was the Lord who "sent out a great wind into the sea, and there was a mighty tempest in the sea" (Jonah 1:4 KJV). Old Testament writers did not hesitate to attribute the forces of nature to God: "thy waterspouts … thy waves … thy billows" (Psalm 42:7 KJV). Today, God's creation is too often depersonalized. He is in control, and has His reasons for all kinds of weather, both fair and stormy."

The above in quotes " " copied from another web site.

So it would seem that God does indeed control the weather. But I am asking if he
still does since we are in the age of grace and after the resurrection of Jesus?

God does not send storms or the like today as he cannot do bad to mankind:-

James 1:13
When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone. 


That would be wrong.

You are assuming that people are good...which is wrong on it's basic premise. People are sinful. God is the only one who is Good. Those that are his children will go to heaven if a storm comes and takes their personal life....a much much better place than here. Those that are sinful do not go to heaven...

God made us and He can, at will or whim, unmake us....He owns us completely whether we give him the credit or not. So to say whether a storm that takes the physical lives of a few is good or bad is much like judging God...and something that I won't do and would advise that you not do either.
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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2009, 09:36:33 AM »
Quote from: Sardine Can on October 23, 2009, 07:53:48 PM
Quote from: gospel on October 23, 2009, 05:52:39 PM
We are in a fallen creation. Hurricanes, Tornadoes Earthquakes and the like are generally not by the hand of God

There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven. Luke 21:11


In any event Jesus didn't seem to lay the responsibility for the events of Luke 21:11 at the feet of God....did he?

Basically he seemed to be saying these things were going to happen because thats the way it is.

Lets put it like this in verses 9 and 10 he said there will be wars and nations and kingdoms rising against one another.....

Question is...is God controlling that too? I think not

When God intervenes it is not a haphazard random drive by killing of innocent people.

God has authority over the weather as He wills when He wills

But

When God manipulates the weather it is to achieve a purpose, such as Jonah, such as Paul, such as Noah...but Satan characterized by Paul as the god of this world in 2 Cor 4:4, the prince of the power of the air in Ephesian 2:2, by Jesus as the prince of this world  in John 14:30 and the one who offered Jesus the Kingdoms of the world in Luke 4:5

We know the earth was cursed and we ask God to bless and heal the land of His people ( 2 Chron 7:14, Deut 7:13, Ps 67:6 )

I think its clear, natural disasters, catastrophes, famine, drought and pestilence have their source in Satan 

That's my take on it


Maybe Jesus thought that everyone knew those things are caused by God.
I don't think Satan controls the weather nor any other stuff you mention.
God has already condemned us all to die from the garden of Eden. So why
not mess with us with the weather. In the OT He used weather to punish
mankind, so why not still do it since God never changes, and man is still sinful.
He did it in the OT times, so my ? is, does He still do it now in our time?
Or if not, is it because we are in the age of grace after Christ?


Christ is God.
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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2009, 09:58:06 AM »
Quote from: JohnDB on October 25, 2009, 08:00:35 PM
Quote from: godinone on October 24, 2009, 07:23:35 AM
Quote from: Sardine Can on October 23, 2009, 02:04:36 PM
Does God control the weather? Does He send deadly storms?


"Storms, floods, and earthquakes are indeed a part of the present world. We sometimes call them “natural disasters,” but they are not a surprise to God. Yes, God certainly can control the weather and send deadly storms.

Some have concluded that suffering occurs because it is beyond God's control. This is incorrect. God has indeed established certain laws and principles that govern nature, but he remains sovereign over these laws. Psalm 148:8 declares that storms “do his bidding.” Concerning Jonah, it was the Lord who "sent out a great wind into the sea, and there was a mighty tempest in the sea" (Jonah 1:4 KJV). Old Testament writers did not hesitate to attribute the forces of nature to God: "thy waterspouts … thy waves … thy billows" (Psalm 42:7 KJV). Today, God's creation is too often depersonalized. He is in control, and has His reasons for all kinds of weather, both fair and stormy."

The above in quotes " " copied from another web site.

So it would seem that God does indeed control the weather. But I am asking if he
still does since we are in the age of grace and after the resurrection of Jesus?

God does not send storms or the like today as he cannot do bad to mankind:-

James 1:13
When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone. 


That would be wrong.

You are assuming that people are good...which is wrong on it's basic premise. People are sinful. God is the only one who is Good. Those that are his children will go to heaven if a storm comes and takes their personal life....a much much better place than here. Those that are sinful do not go to heaven...

God made us and He can, at will or whim, unmake us....He owns us completely whether we give him the credit or not. So to say whether a storm that takes the physical lives of a few is good or bad is much like judging God...and something that I won't do and would advise that you not do either.

Amen brother JohnDB  Amen!
Personally I think God still uses storms to wipe out towns, cities etc.
And like you said, the Christians all go to heaven and the sinners not.
Yes God owns us and will do as He sees fit. eek!
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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2009, 01:33:01 PM »
Yes God is in control of all things. He is God after all.
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2009, 03:13:51 PM »
Quote from: JerryW on October 23, 2009, 06:44:23 PM
God controls ALL things!  Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and CREATE DISASTER, I the Lord do all these things".


True.... God is the Creator of all things but he is not the source of those things that are not in His Character.

 such as sickness, disease, rebellion, wars, gossip, slander, lying etc.etc

Is God the author of lying or of truth.

By some of your reasoning He is the author of both. I think not...Jesus called Satan the Father of Lies.

Therefore that which God has created Satan perverts for his own purposes then lays the blame at Gods feet.
Unfortunately Christians fall for the okie doke and do exactly what the devil wants them to do....blame death on God, blame sickness on God blame war on God. Enough blaming Christians begin to sound like non Christians, like non believers. Enough ascribing horrific acts to God and Christians without realizing it begin to sound like and agree with Jihadists. This is a cause for concern and should engender some serious rethinking about how we see God...seriously!

Heaven is a place of perfection, of perfect peace All that is Good

There is no sickness in heaven ...so where did it come from? Where would a perfect God get imperfection?

Imperfection is the fruit of Satan. It is the fruit of His rebellion. Just as a lie is a perversion of truth, so is sickness a perversion of health and war and rebellion are a perversion of peace.

These things are in the world but God did not put them there. They were allowed in through rebellion....hence

'God does not cause babies to die of hunger and starvation. Babies die of hunger and starvation because of the curse on their land.

God's wrath was poured out on Jesus, He no longer needs to pour His wrath on people and anyone who is in Christ is no longer subject to the curses

Yet....People can open themselves to the curse that is in the world.  

If God would spare Sodom and Gomorrah for 10 righteous people, how much more would he spare New Orleans for all the righteous people that lived there.

Hence God didn't do it, Satan did. Same with 9/11 ...God didn't do it, Satan did.

If you believe otherwise then you agree with the God of the Jihadists! They believe they are doing God a favor in destroying America. They believe they are the arm of God!

My bible tells me in Isaiah 53 that God's wrath was poured out on Jesus. Therefore the millions of Americans that are in Jesus keep America from being judged by God.

Satan however hates America because we have been the Light on the Hill. The proof of God's blessing and benevolence towards them that Love Him.

It is the prayers of the righteous ...us, that keeps the nation in safety, that keeps America from being judged by God for abortion sexual immorality and materialism., It is America that gives people hope and Satan hates that.

Let me share something that may be shocking to you and many of you may disbelieve it

There are devil worshipers and some "upper level " wiccans who fast and pray for drought famine and natural catastrophes.
Their idea is that as many people who can die before hearing the gospel or accepting Jesus as Lord the better for their god
They pray for the destruction of Christian families, for Pastors to fall into sin and greed and to lessen the effectiveness of the church in every way through mockery and belittlement.
They even infiltrate churches into positions of influence and create confusion and passive ineffective congregations through blinding the minds of the people to the true gospel


Our assignment is to get many people Saved as possible before disaster strikes. To teach people the true gospel and expose traditions of men when ever they conflict with the Gospel of Christ...its a big assignment!



 
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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2009, 04:47:58 PM »
gospel wrote:

"Let me share something that may be shocking to you and many of you may disbelieve it

There are devil worshippers and some "upper level " wiccans who fast and pray for drought famine and natural catastrophes.
Their idea is that as many people who can die before hearing the gospel or accepting Jesus as Lord the better for their god
They pray for the destruction of Christian families, for Pastors to fall into sin and greed and to lessen the effectiveness of the church in every way through mockery and belittlement.
They even infiltrate churches into positions of influence and create confusion and passive ineffective congregations through blinding the minds of the people to the true gospel"
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Can you prove this, or are you just assuming that they do?
I have studied wiccan practice and my opinion is that they
are all just Harry Potter wana be's but they have no power.

Who are they praying to, Satan? Ya, like he's going to listen to them.
Satan has no power unless God gives it to him.

I wrote Sonnets From the Wizard's Apprentice in 1994. So
I do know something about magic and such things here:
http://finalbeginning-angel.blogspot.com/
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