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Does God Give Signs?
« on: June 23, 2010, 10:19:19 AM »
Does God Give Us Signs?

I'm curious to know your opinions. Does God give us signs about things in life and if so, what would be the reason for the signs? Reasons I can think of would be to warn us, to show us He approves, or to show us He disapproves. But why would he do it one time and not another?

Also, do some of you have examples of signs you think God has given you?

Thanks.
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Does God Give Signs?
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Re: Does God Give Signs?
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2010, 11:18:31 AM »
I believe strongly in God's providence. I consider every provision by Him to be sign that teaches. So, for example, as he provides me with my daily physical needs I see that as a sign of grace and it reminds me that I am dependent upon Him.
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2010, 12:51:02 PM »
I believe strongly in God's providence. I consider every provision by Him to be sign that teaches. So, for example, as he provides me with my daily physical needs I see that as a sign of grace and it reminds me that I am dependent upon Him.

Great post!

The bible also tells us that the very fact that evil is not allowed to run rampant and unrestrained is also a sign of God's Presence.
There is a resistance against evil and that is the goodness of God, there is a resistance against Darkness and that is the Light of the Glory of God in Christ Jesus

As far as why signs are not always the same there is no definitive answer but I believe it is because man can duplicate a formula, in the same way he can simulate a pattern and thereby recreate the similitude of a miracle but he cannot originate an authentic miracle

So there is one burning bush with a voice speaking out of the midst, there is one miracle of manna, there is one miracle of parting the Red Sea and one miracle of Jesus walking on water.

I think this is because God is a personal God and He gives signs and miracles specifically to and according to the need of a person and a people, for the specific need at that specific time.

This is why Jesus never healed the same way twice, because people are different and the miracle they have believed for is specifically for them.

The miracle of Salvation is the greatest miracle of all and every one who believes is Saved according to their faith. I believe that is because our interaction with Jesus is based on our need. Some would say that is a selfish Christianity that we should just Love the Lord because of who He is....and I agree that is true, but that happens eventually as we go along the Way, for as we go we grow, we begin to appreciate more and more how much He really loves us and what that really means, in turn we love Him

The bible says it like this
1 John 4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins
 
Lastly I believe God does not want people's faith to depend upon signs but rather for signs to be in response to their faith. For a dependence upon signs makes one fickle with a tendency to waver and too easily mislead by lying signs and wonders

We see in the wilderness that no matter how much God showed the people no matter how many signs He gave them, those signs did not lead them to a place of rest and a Saving Faith in God

John 6:26 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, you are looking for me, not because you saw miraculous signs but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 

Jesus addressed this after he fed 5 thousand. They thought it was the work of a community activist, a social worker but from Jesus perspective He was giving them a sign.

So instead of pampering to their desire for more bread, more food by which He could've grown His followers into millions, He instead gave His hardest sermon ever and the bible says many departed and never returned

John 6:66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. 
 
Jesus did this because He only wanted true believers, those who could hear and receive the spiritual manna, because Jesus knew signs without faith are not enough for people who do not really believe!

Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.


A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Jesus then left them and went away.
Matthew 16:4

Signs confirm our faith and should not be the other way around, in the kingdom of God that would be like the tail wagging the dog

My thoughts, hope it helps ::tippinghat::
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Re: Does God Give Signs?
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2010, 01:17:11 PM »
Thanks for the answers and scriptures. I have a clarifying question though. For example, if God were planning to answer a prayer as you asked, do you think He would give you a sign that the prayer was going to be answered?
Don't spread my wealth, spread my work ethic!

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Re: Does God Give Signs?
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2010, 02:06:07 PM »
My husband was an alcoholic, and after 6 years, I knew we had reached a point where I had to be proactive in bringing change to our relationship.  I made some phone calls, arrangements for a job, a small house to rent, and packed my car with everything I could cram into it.  When he came home that night I told him that when he came home from work the next night I would be gone, 600 miles away.  The house was so quiet that night.  He kissed me good-bye before he left that morning, and we both cried.  It wasn't what either of us wanted, but someone had to get off this merry-go-round we were on.  When it came time to go, I took one last walk out onto the dock and sat down and had a conversation with God.  I told Him that I needed to know if I was making the right decision, that I still believed in my commitment, and that I needed peace about this before I pulled down the long drive.  Sometime during the afternoon, I noticed a single, white, wild swan across the lake, floating among the cattails and tall grass on the other side of our 45-acre pond.  Never before had I seen a wild swan, much less on our lake.  I was mesmerized.  I sat there until the sun went down.  This swan was my "sign", a sign that I should stay, a sign of hope.  (Later, everyone told me what a rare sighting this was.)  When he came home that night, surprisingly not drunk, he was as surprised to see me as I was to still be there.  The next year did not find sobriety.  It never came for him.  But there was great improvement.  Life was good for us again.  A year later, I became pregnant.  We were so, so happy.  The night our son was born, he called his oldest friend who was now a recovering alcoholic about this journey toward sobriety.  His time had come   And on the night after our son was born, while mother and baby slept safely in the hospital, he was taken from us in a house fire.  Three months later I returned to the remains of our home for the first time since his death.  I decided to walk the last of the drive, and as the trees began to clear and I could see the partial scorched shell of what once was "home" to me, the last place my husband was alive, I heard a rustle that made me look out toward the lake.  All I could see were dozens of white, wild swans floating on the water.  I could hear the rustle of their wings.  It was a most awesome, beautiful sight and sound to me.  I wanted to capture their beauty, as well as their reality, on film, so I went back to my car to get my camera.  As I neared the clearing, I heard the rush of lifting wings, and they were all gone.  Not a trace of them anywhere, not in the sky, no feathers floating on the water.  They had been there just for me, and now they were gone, but I was left with the undeniable promise from my God that my son and I were going to be OK.  22 years later I attest that God has been faithful in that promise.


Yes, God gives signs. 
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2010, 02:29:06 PM »
Never say never, however, you might get in trouble seeing signs in everything. The other extreme is to not be awake to a continual providential care. 

1Cor. 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness;
        but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Cor. 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1Cor. 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1Cor. 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God,
         it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
1Cor. 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: (Sophia)
1Cor. 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock,
       and unto the Greeks foolishness;

If we walk by faith we do not REQUIRE a sign.  When they happen it is gratia, grace

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Re: Does God Give Signs?
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2010, 02:47:06 PM »
Blituri, I completely agree. I'm not requiring a sign, or even asking God for one. I don't really want to reveal the details just yet, but there has been something I've been praying about and some things have been happening that are massive coincidences or either signs that God is going to, or has already, answered the prayer. I am not charasmatic and, right or wrong, don't look for signs or the supernatural in every event. I agree, we walk by faith. I'm not testing God or asking Him to give these signs, if they are signs, I'm just observing and wondering with my limited human mind.
Don't spread my wealth, spread my work ethic!

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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2010, 03:04:20 PM »
Thanks for the answers and scriptures. I have a clarifying question though. For example, if God were planning to answer a prayer as you asked, do you think He would give you a sign that the prayer was going to be answered?

I'd say the word is confirmation. In other words a sign is a confirmation, a knowing in your spirit that an answer has been given or that you are on the right track.
Also as Phoebe has stated God can give us a visible sign.

It all falls under the topic of hearing God.  ::shrug::

People ask does God still speak and the answer is yes, all the time

Through open visions, through dreams, angelic visitation, the prophetic word, word of wisdom, word of knowledge, through a child, through a stranger, through a circumstance

But in all of it, it will and must always agree with the Written Word for that is the only way to test whether it is of God.

Anything, any sign or wonder that conflicts with the Word of God, that does not Glorify God should be cast aside and taken with a grain of salt


I would re-emphasize that it all depends on what God wants to do, how he sees you and what He thinks you need according to where you are in your life, your walk, your faith and the specific situation at hand.

By the way thanks for sharing that awesome testimony Phoebe
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2010, 04:25:05 PM »
He gave us the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, for me that's a pretty substantial sign......... ::amen!::

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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2010, 04:41:35 PM »
Good post, Piney-turi.
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2010, 05:23:43 PM »
Phoebe, question concerning the poll atop this thread.  ya think if this poll were on, oh, say, moveon.org or dailykos, or, for that matter even townhall............that the results would be the same?

.......hmmmmmmm..........,

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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2010, 11:25:40 AM »
Ever see or know two people that know each other so well that just a slight wink or jesture of the hand and the other is fully aware of the message given?
 When the Holy Spirit is residing in the life, thoughts are presented to us to respond to . For some of us in what ever moment we are facing , some times warfare, sometimes simple guidance in daily travel, we need a afferming nod we've obeyed, or a word or two, from an independant source, that afferms something we are being tought of God .
 Almost evey day expectedly and unexpectedly , I am blessed during a challange in my life when His providence and innervention work on my behalf. I do not always know how the senario is going to go down , Human nature is to take over the problem , but I am always learning to trust Him more, and more.
 Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus , How I proved Him oer and ore.
 

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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2010, 05:07:31 PM »
Ever see or know two people that know each other so well that just a slight wink or jesture of the hand and the other is fully aware of the message given?

Profound.
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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2010, 12:23:41 PM »
Jack prayed for a wife.  There was this photo of a girlfriend on the night stand.  He prayed God please let me know if she is the girl for me.  In the morning the photo was on the floor the glass broken.   He married another 40+ years ago and has been blessed in his marriage.

Just once i feel God sent me a vision?   I was up to here with my mother-in-law! I was ready to ripe her up one side and down the other.  The ammo to do so was plenty. I turned to go for it and saw a little bird still partly in the shell so fragile so helpless. He truly put a watch before my mouth.
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2010, 03:11:11 AM »
God gives us signs almost daily, one needs to be opened up enough to be aware of them to see the messages he's trying to convey.  The thing to understand, he doesn't give them to us as we intend for him to do so, sometimes they are given in a feeling, somtimes in a circumstance, sometimes through a song on the radio, he talks to us in far more diverse ways then we can imagine.
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