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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #70 on: Fri Feb 03, 2012 - 23:19:16 »
Ignoring St. Ignatius and the Bible I give you is just unbecoming. For one who discards the Resurrection's sovereignty in Sunday observance but then presents himself as honest you are ironically a lot like the Sadduccees.
The resurrection was late on Saturday...

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #71 on: Fri Feb 03, 2012 - 23:49:53 »
Ignoring St. Ignatius and the Bible I give you is just unbecoming. For one who discards the Resurrection's sovereignty in Sunday observance but then presents himself as honest you are ironically a lot like the Sadduccees.
The resurrection was late on Saturday...

Not at all.

For one we don't when during the first day Christ rose we just know it was the first day. Furthermore what we call Saturday evening is actually the beginning of the first day. So late Saturday is early the first day.

God and the Jews divide days evening to morning. Everyone else divide day morning to evening.

Disputing that Christ rose on the first day is not really worth the energy.

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #72 on: Sat Feb 04, 2012 - 06:49:12 »
Ignoring St. Ignatius and the Bible I give you is just unbecoming. For one who discards the Resurrection's sovereignty in Sunday observance but then presents himself as honest you are ironically a lot like the Sadduccees.
Here is a little background, as the change came from Rome and of pagan and Hellenistic ideas but the other centers of Alexandria and Antioch were even then Christians there including Ignatius was influenced by it and started to observe Sunday too. But Rome was were it was changed and later became codified by the influence of its bishop...

...Sunday is not a strict replacement for the Sabbath, but a day the Catholic Church  instituted to fulfill a parallel function. Thus Ignatius of Antioch, the earliest Church Father to address this question, states that Christian converts "have given up keeping the Sabbath and now order their lives by the Lord's Day instead, the day when life first dawned for us, thanks to him [Christ] and his death." (Letter to the Magnesians 9 [A.D. 107]).

The fourth century saw the introduction of Sunday laws. First Sunday laws of a civil nature were issued, then came Sunday laws of a religious character. The emperor Constantine decreed the first civil Sunday law on March 7, A.D. 321. In view of Sunday's popularity among the pagan sun worshipers and the esteem with which many Christians regarded it, Constantine hoped that, by making Sunday a holiday, he could ensure the support of these two constituencies for his government.Constantine's Sunday law reflected his background as sun worshiper. It read: "On the venerable Day of the Sun [venerabili die Solis] let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits

Yes it was the  Bishop of Rome who 'officially' changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday in Christendom after Constantine the Great's 321 A.D. edict. Sylvester I (314-335 A.D.) was the Bishop of Rome during the reign of Constantine who gave his "stamp of approval" to the 321 Edict.  Sylvester I did this because being in the office of the Bishop of Rome, with its positional authority as it had been the center of the Roman world.  Thus, nodding his approval.  This change from Saturday to Sunday was then codified in the Council of Laodicea (c. A.D. 364), which was not a universal council but a Roman Catholic one, which issued the first ecclesiastical Sunday law. In canon 29 the church stipulated that Christians should honor Sunday and "if possible, do no work on that day,' while it denounced the practice of resting on the Sabbath, instructing that Christians should not "be idle on Saturday [Greek sabbaton, "the Sabbath"], but shall work on that day saying "Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath"...meaning Saturday.

Sylvester I (314-337 A.D.) was the pope during the reign of Constantine. Here is what he thought of the Bible Sabbath: "If every Sunday is to be observed joyfully by the Christians on account of the resurrection, then every Sabbath on account of the burial is to be execration [loathing or cursing] of the Jews."--quoted by S. R. E. Humbert, Adversus Graecorum calumnias 6, in Patrologie Cursus Completus, Series Latina, ed. J.P. Migne, 1844, p. 143.  

From the second to the fifth centuries, while Sunday was rising in influence, Christians continued to observe the seventh-day Sabbath nearly everywhere throughout the Roman Empire. But by the fourth and fifth centuries many Christians worshiped on both Sabbath and Sunday. However, Sozomen, another historian of that period, wrote, "The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria." These references demonstrate Rome's leading role even then in disregarding Sabbath observance and going to Sunday.  Note that not one writer of the second and third centuries ever cited a single Bible verse as authority for the observance of Sunday in the place of the Sabbath. Neither Barnabas, nor Ignatius, nor Justin, nor Irenaeus, nor Tertullian, nor Clement of Rome, nor Clement of Alexandria, nor Origen, nor Cyprian, nor Victorinus, nor any other author who lived near to the time when Jesus lived knew of any such instruction from Jesus or from any part of the Bible, it came from paganism not scripture.

Now on the impression that John was referring to Sunday when he stated he was "in the Spirit on the Lord's day" (Rev. 1:10). In the Bible, however, the only day referred to as the Lord's special possession is the Sabbath. Christ stated, "The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God" (Ex. 20:10); later calling it "My holy day" (Isa. 58:13). And Christ called Himself "Lord of the Sabbath" (Mark 2:28). Since, in the Scripture, the only day the Lord calls His own is the seventh-day Sabbath, it seems logical to conclude that it was the Sabbath to which John was referring. There is no Biblical precedent to indicate he would apply that term to the first day of the week, or Sunday.Nowhere does the Bible command us to observe any weekly day other than the Sabbath. It declares no other weekly day blessed or holy. Nor does the New Testament indicate that God has changed the Sabbath to any other day of the week.

On the contrary, Scripture reveals that God intended that His people should observe the Sabbath throughout eternity: "'As the new heavens and the new earth which I will make will remain before me,' says the Lord, 'so shall your descendants and your name remain. . . . From one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me,' says the Lord" (Isa. 66:22, 23).

Scripture reveals that the observance of Sunday as a Christian institution was fortold and had its origin in "the mystery of lawlessness" (2 Thess. 2:7), which was already at work in Paul's day. Also through the prophecy of Daniel 7 God revealed His foreknowledge of the change of the day of worship. Daniel's vision depicts an attack on God's people and on Gods Law including the Sabbath. The power brought to bear which would do the change was represented by a little horn which would bring about the great apostasy within the Christian church. Arising from the fourth beast or Roman Empire and becoming a major persecuting power after
the fall of Rome, this power or the little horn attempts to "change the times and law" (Dan. 7:25). This apostate power is very successful at deceiving most of the world, but at the end the judgment will decide against it (Dan. 7:11, 22, 26).

Scripture shows that the change to Gods Law would be done, but it was not because God changed it or from the resurection of Christ, but from apostasy brought on by by a power of "the mystery of lawlessness", and history confirms it step by step, almost to a tee...
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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #73 on: Sat Feb 04, 2012 - 07:12:25 »
The day of Christ resurrection did not change the Sabbath.  The Sabbath law was written in stone with the finger of God... it can't be erased.  The Sabbath command is still part of God's law.

I prefer to gather as a congregation to lift Jesus up on Sunday morning because I want to.  I want to serve him first, before anyone else.  It has nothing to do with any law.  It it is not something I have to do.  It is something I want to do.

Because there is no Sunday law, I can work on Sunday if I want to.

What we do as Christians the first day of the week, we do driven by love, not driven by some law, it is a free will offering.

I do not care for the 4th commandment, not at all.  If I cared to keep the 4th commandment, this is what I will never do on Saturdays:

7 Things that the law forbids us to do on Sabbath days:

We can not prepare food (cook or bake, Exo 16:23). 
We can not light a fire (Exo 35:3), so forget BBQs, if you want to keep the Sabbath.
We can not buy or sell (Neh 10:31; Neh 13:15-19)
We can not carry a anything heavy (Neh 13:15-19, Jer 17:22-23)
We can not travel (leave or enter a city, Exo 16:29; Neh 13:15-19; Act 1:12)
We can not do any kind of work (Exo 20:10; Mat 12:5; John 5:17-18)
We can not pay anyone to do those things for us (Lev 25:6)
Besides that, we also have to work 6 days a week, not 5 (Exo 20:9).

If you want to come here and boast about how righteous you are, by all means, keep the Sabbath the right way, not 50% of the way.

Two things Sabbath keepers can't stop doing:

1.  Praising their righteousness in accordance to the law
2.  Accusing others of braking God's law

Watch ... here they come... watch....



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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #74 on: Sat Feb 04, 2012 - 11:41:05 »
In guessing you just haven't actually read those books because you have yet to provide their sources. I'm proud to say I do my homework so if I cite any author I can cite more than just his evaluations I can cite the ancient text he derives them from. However let's just move on.

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Here is a little background, as the change came from Rome and of pagan and Hellenistic ideas but the other centers of Alexandria and Antioch were even then Christians there including Ignatius was influenced by it and started to observe Sunday too. But Rome was were it was changed and later became codified by the influence of its bishop...

A bishop I'm about 85% sure you can't even name but let's move on. I already know what your position is. It's big boy evidence we're having trouble extracting from you.

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The fourth century saw the introduction of Sunday laws. First Sunday laws of a civil nature were issued, then came Sunday laws of a religious character. The emperor Constantine decreed the first civil Sunday law on March 7, A.D. 321. In view of Sunday's popularity among the pagan sun worshipers and the esteem with which many Christians regarded it, Constantine hoped that, by making Sunday a holiday, he could ensure the support of these two constituencies for his government.Constantine's Sunday law reflected his background as sun worshiper. It read: "On the venerable Day of the Sun [venerabili die Solis] let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits

That's incorrect. Sunday observances were passed through ecclesiastical decrees before any civil laws and before Constantine was even born.

Council of Elvira 300-303 AD

Canon 21 If anyone who lives in the city does not attend church services for three Sundays, let that person be expelled for a brief time in order to make the reproach public.

But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead.

Justin Marytr, First Apology 150 AD


Justin Marytr was born in Palestine just to let you know in like 105 AD. St. John and St. Mark were still alive at the time.

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #75 on: Sat Feb 04, 2012 - 16:38:27 »
Ignoring St. Ignatius and the Bible I give you is just unbecoming. For one who discards the Resurrection's sovereignty in Sunday observance but then presents himself as honest you are ironically a lot like the Sadduccees.
The resurrection was late on Saturday...


Not at all.

For one we don't when during the first day Christ rose we just know it was the first day. Furthermore what we call Saturday evening is actually the beginning of the first day. So late Saturday is early the first day.

God and the Jews divide days evening to morning. Everyone else divide day morning to evening.

Disputing that Christ rose on the first day is not really worth the energy.
I am limited on time, so I will give you this for now.
http://therefinersfire.org/resurrection1.htm

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« Reply #76 on: Sat Feb 04, 2012 - 16:44:49 »
The day of Christ resurrection did not change the Sabbath.  The Sabbath law was written in stone with the finger of God... it can't be erased.  The Sabbath command is still part of God's law.

I prefer to gather as a congregation to lift Jesus up on Sunday morning because I want to.  I want to serve him first, before anyone else.  It has nothing to do with any law.  It it is not something I have to do.  It is something I want to do.

Because there is no Sunday law, I can work on Sunday if I want to.

What we do as Christians the first day of the week, we do driven by love, not driven by some law, it is a free will offering.

I do not care for the 4th commandment, not at all.  If I cared to keep the 4th commandment, this is what I will never do on Saturdays:

7 Things that the law forbids us to do on Sabbath days:

We can not prepare food (cook or bake, Exo 16:23). 
We can not light a fire (Exo 35:3), so forget BBQs, if you want to keep the Sabbath.
We can not buy or sell (Neh 10:31; Neh 13:15-19)
We can not carry a anything heavy (Neh 13:15-19, Jer 17:22-23)
We can not travel (leave or enter a city, Exo 16:29; Neh 13:15-19; Act 1:12)
We can not do any kind of work (Exo 20:10; Mat 12:5; John 5:17-18)
We can not pay anyone to do those things for us (Lev 25:6)
Besides that, we also have to work 6 days a week, not 5 (Exo 20:9).

If you want to come here and boast about how righteous you are, by all means, keep the Sabbath the right way, not 50% of the way.

Two things Sabbath keepers can't stop doing:

1.  Praising their righteousness in accordance to the law
2.  Accusing others of braking God's law

Watch ... here they come... watch....



If you don't care for the 4th commandment, you don't love God... it is pretty simple. 

Why would anyone even need to tell you that you are breaking God's law?  You should be able to realize yourself that this is the case. 

I don't go around telling people they need to keep the Sabbath but if people are talking about changing the Sabbath, or accusing Sabbath keepers of being wrong, I will step in and say something. 

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #77 on: Sat Feb 04, 2012 - 18:56:10 »

Two things Sabbath keepers can't stop doing:

1.  Praising their righteousness in accordance to the law
2.  Accusing others of braking God's law

Watch ... here they come... watch....



2. ACCUSING OTHERS:  "If you don't care for the 4th commandment, you don't love God... it is pretty simple." 

1.  PRAISING HIMSELF:  I don't go around telling people they need to keep the Sabbath... but if people are talking about changing the Sabbath, or accusing Sabbath keepers of being wrong, I will step in and say something. 

The defense rests.

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« Reply #78 on: Sat Feb 04, 2012 - 20:32:28 »
Nope...take the stand T.D. and explaine why the Sabbath did not begin BEFORE the march into
the wilderness of Sin.

It is crystal clear that the first observance of the week-day Sabbath occurred in the wilderness of Sin,
as related in the sixteenth chapter of Exodus.
You Sabbath keepers...do you realize that the Procession under Moses would have been on the march
from Elim to the wilderness of Sin, as we are told expressly that it was,
on the first day of the eight-day period described in Exodus?
Would this not also have been a Sabbath? Clearly then, the Sabbath institution was NOT in effect at
that time of the march!

The Law of the Sabbath forbade the people to do any work whatever, even to kindle a fire or to
leave their habitations on that holy day ( Numbers 15:32-35 ).

You Sabbatarians do not even know the law! It would have been a sin to march on the first day into
the wilderness of Sin. As the story goes, throughtout the six days that followed the first day of marching,
the people of God's command, gathered manna ( "bread from heaven" ) each day, and, again at
God's command  they gathered a double portion on the sixth day.
Why so? Because the day that followed---the last day of the eight-day period---
was the observance of the Jewish Sabbath......Hello...!?

The Scripture makes these facts too clear for misconception ( Exod. 16:21-30 ).
Not too long after the Procession reached Sinai, and there the positive law of the Sabbath
was incorporated into the Decalogue ( Exod. 20:8-11).
The Sabbath was a provision of the Mosaic Law, given to one people only, a people living in a part of
the world where it could be properly observed (e.g., without the kindling of fire. Exod. 35:2-3 )
without working a hardship on them.

You want to rest on Saturday? go for it, but refrain from marching.
Please, do not hang the Sabbath on we Christians.
Next thing you will want us to do is get rid of our pork chops.
By the way, this being Saturday, are you and Hobie allowed to be on a computer?


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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #79 on: Sat Feb 04, 2012 - 23:23:55 »
Ignoring St. Ignatius and the Bible I give you is just unbecoming. For one who discards the Resurrection's sovereignty in Sunday observance but then presents himself as honest you are ironically a lot like the Sadduccees.
The resurrection was late on Saturday...


Not at all.

For one we don't when during the first day Christ rose we just know it was the first day. Furthermore what we call Saturday evening is actually the beginning of the first day. So late Saturday is early the first day.

God and the Jews divide days evening to morning. Everyone else divide day morning to evening.

Disputing that Christ rose on the first day is not really worth the energy.
I am limited on time, so I will give you this for now.
http://therefinersfire.org/resurrection1.htm


I've read your article. It says Christ died Wednesday and was raised on Saturday evening. I can entertain that but you and apparently this author are not aware of the simple fact that Saturday evening IS the beginning of the first day.

Days for Jews and God are divided evening to morning. Pagan cultures divided days morning to evening.

So basically even if (and that is a strong if) this author is right and Christ rose on Saturday evening that is the beginning of the first day. The end of the seventh day was when the sun set.

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #80 on: Sun Feb 05, 2012 - 07:05:12 »
Hammer: "So basically even if (and that is a strong if) this author is right and Christ rose on Saturday evening that is the beginning of the first day. The end of the seventh day was when the sun set."

Great point LH...also Moses informs these Israelites just before his own death and burial) that the Sabbath
was set apart by Divine ordinance to be observed by the children of Israel as a memorial of their deliverance from
Egyptian bondage. Read Deuteronomy 5:12-15.

The prophet Nehemiah clarifies this in chapter 9:13-14.
Nehemiah reminds that the observance was inaugurated AFTER the deliverance had taken place, that is after the Exodus.

All these Scriptures account for the fact that we find NO mention of the Jewish Sabbath in Genesis, that is,
throughout the Patriarchal Dispensation.

The seventh-day Sabbath was a SIGN between Yahweh and ONE people ONLY, the Children of Israel ( Exod. 31:12-17 ). 
True, it was divinely appointed a memorial of their deliverance from the bondage of Egypt ( Deut. 5:12-15 ),
and as such NEVER had any significance whatever for a Gentile.

Moreover, the seven-day Sabbath was to cease with the abrogation of the Old Covenant and ratification of the
New  by the death of Christ on the Cross
( Hos, 2:11; John 1:17; Col. 2:13-17; 2 Cor. 3:3-5; Gal. 3:23-27; Heb. 8:6-13, 10:8-14; 1 Peter 2:24 ).

There is absolutely NO particular connection between the Jewish Sabbath and the Christian Lord's Day.
There is, however, a kind of analogy; that is, as the Sabbath was ordained a memorial of the deliverance of ancient
or fleshly Israel from the bondage of Egypt (Deut. 5:15 ), as Egypt is, in Scripture a TYPE of state of sin, so the
Lord's Day is a memorial of the deliverance of spiritual Israel ( Gal. 3:29 ) from the bondage of sin and death,
though the resurrection of Christ.
 
 
 

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #81 on: Sun Feb 05, 2012 - 09:20:30 »
' christians ' sadly show their ignorance of scripture when they count the 7th day starting on our present saturday night.
They are either ignorant of the Sabbath starting friday sunset or they are purposely twisting scripture. Don't they know that a day with God starts at 'sunset before sunrise in the mrning and is often referred to in 2 parts ie. night and day or 'evening and morning ? Gen.1.
Is it any wonder they also confuse the Resurrection-day   ??? ??? ???

Was /is GOD jewish ?
The Sabbath was/is HOLY time belonging to GOD and it was made for MAN.
Nowhere in scripture is it called jewish as if it only belongs to them.
Not all Israel are Jews.
Did God ordain sunday for the gentile ? They are to become spiritual Israelites who keep the 7th day Sabbath. the same law for all.
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' christians ' sadly show their ignorance of scripture when they count the 7th day starting on our present saturday night.
They are either ignorant of the Sabbath starting friday sunset or they are purposely twisting scripture. Don't they know that a day with God starts at 'sunset before sunrise in the mrning and is often referred to in 2 parts ie. night and day or 'evening and morning ? Gen.1.
Is it any wonder they also confuse the Resurrection-day   Confused Confused Confused

Was /is GOD jewish ?
The Sabbath was/is HOLY time belonging to GOD and it was made for MAN.
Nowhere in scripture is it called jewish as if it only belongs to them.
Not all Israel are Jews.
Did God ordain sunday for the gentile ? They are to become spiritual Israelites who keep the 7th day Sabbath. the same law for all.

This point should be of the gravest concern for anyone claiming to be one of God's children in Christ.  They think they can change God's holy Sabbath by their own power and authority with impunity.  With no scriptural support in any way shape or form, they deny the command of God, and establish their own sanctified day.  This they do against the direct testimony of scripture, and the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.  This is nothing short of anti-Christ, putting ones self in the place of God.  

Exod 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Exod 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my Sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Deut 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

Lev 19:3 Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.

Lev 19:30 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

Lev 26:2 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Ezek 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them. 13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my Sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them. 14 But I wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted before the heathen, in whose sight I brought them out. 15 Yet also I lifted up my hand unto them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands; 16 Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but polluted my sabbaths: for their heart went after their idols. 17 Nevertheless mine eye spared them from destroying them, neither did I make an end of them in the wilderness. 18 But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye not in the statutes of your fathers, neither observe their judgments, nor defile yourselves with their idols: 19 I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; 20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God. 21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness. 22 Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth. 23 I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries; 24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.

Ezek 22: 8 Thou hast despised mine holy things, and hast profaned my sabbaths.

Ezek 22: 26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

Ezek 23:38 Moreover this they have done unto me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned my sabbaths.

Ezek 44:24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths.

Neh 9:13-14 13 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments: 14 And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:

Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.


I pray to God that they will realize the rebelliousness and presumption of their actions before it is to late.  It will be a fearful thing to stand before God and explain how you put your own opinion and faulty understanding above one of His direct commands, and the entirety of His holy scriptures.  This is exactly what Adam and Eve did in the garden when they partook of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.  The results will be the same.

God says through His blessed Son -

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matt 5:17-20 (KJV)

The testimony of scripture is clear concerning who it is that would have the audacity to defy the living God by presuming the authority to change His commandments.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. 25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. 27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. Dan 7:24-27 (KJV)

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 2 Thess 2:3-4 (KJV)

Who is the man of sin which sets himself up in the temple of God shewing himself that he is God, but that man who leads all those who not only defy the law of God but change it according to their own will and good pleasure.  He and they have made themselves God by presuming the authority of God upon themselves. And where have they set themselves up while claiming to be Christ's very own while living and practicing in direct contradiction to His very words, within the very church, body, and temple of God Himself.  These truths are not hidden from anyone.



 













 

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #83 on: Sun Feb 05, 2012 - 12:03:51 »
Can a Sabbath keeper defend the Sabbath without accusing others?  Nope.  It cant be done.  See example below:


 They think they can change God's holy Sabbath by their own power and authority with impunity.  With no scriptural support in any way shape or form, they deny the command of God, and establish their own sanctified day.  This they do against the direct testimony of scripture, and the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.  This is nothing short of anti-Christ, putting ones self in the place of God.  

Who is the man of sin which sets himself up in the temple of God shewing himself that he is God, but that man who leads all those who not only defy the law of God but change it according to their own will and good pleasure.  He and they have made themselves God by presuming the authority of God upon themselves. And where have they set themselves up while claiming to be Christ's very own while living and practicing in direct contradiction to His very words, within the very church, body, and temple of God Himself.  These truths are not hidden from anyone.


When they are not accusing others, they are praising themselves.  They are extremely predictable.

Peace, to those that want to be found with Christ's righteousness and not our own, which is in accordance to the law.

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #84 on: Sun Feb 05, 2012 - 14:02:53 »

Two things Sabbath keepers can't stop doing:

1.  Praising their righteousness in accordance to the law
2.  Accusing others of braking God's law

Watch ... here they come... watch....



2. ACCUSING OTHERS:  "If you don't care for the 4th commandment, you don't love God... it is pretty simple." 

1.  PRAISING HIMSELF:  I don't go around telling people they need to keep the Sabbath... but if people are talking about changing the Sabbath, or accusing Sabbath keepers of being wrong, I will step in and say something. 

The defense rests.

I think the problem is that you see your actions as needing a defense.  If you love God, you will do his commandments. 

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #85 on: Sun Feb 05, 2012 - 14:04:50 »
Ignoring St. Ignatius and the Bible I give you is just unbecoming. For one who discards the Resurrection's sovereignty in Sunday observance but then presents himself as honest you are ironically a lot like the Sadduccees.
The resurrection was late on Saturday...


Not at all.

For one we don't when during the first day Christ rose we just know it was the first day. Furthermore what we call Saturday evening is actually the beginning of the first day. So late Saturday is early the first day.

God and the Jews divide days evening to morning. Everyone else divide day morning to evening.

Disputing that Christ rose on the first day is not really worth the energy.
I am limited on time, so I will give you this for now.
http://therefinersfire.org/resurrection1.htm


I've read your article. It says Christ died Wednesday and was raised on Saturday evening. I can entertain that but you and apparently this author are not aware of the simple fact that Saturday evening IS the beginning of the first day.

Days for Jews and God are divided evening to morning. Pagan cultures divided days morning to evening.

So basically even if (and that is a strong if) this author is right and Christ rose on Saturday evening that is the beginning of the first day. The end of the seventh day was when the sun set.
I am clearly aware of the fact.  I read the first half of the article and it was on the right track, but that is all I had time to read.  Jesus imo, died somewhere in between 4-6 p.m. on Saturday, which is still Saturday. 

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #86 on: Sun Feb 05, 2012 - 16:40:18 »
Consumingfire: 'I am clearly aware of the fact.  I read the first half of the article and it was on the right track, but that is all I had time to read.  Jesus imo, died somewhere in between 4-6 p.m. on Saturday, which is still Saturday.'

Nope. you would think that you Sabbath keepers would know that it was against the law to "touch a dead body"
(Numbers 19:11). This is why Jesus was removed from the cross on Friday, 3:00 P.M. our time.
Under the law a Jew would be violated by touching a dead body on the Sabbath.
 

If you are going to be in love with the law.....study it...
Read John 19:31 and get back with us on why Jesus was removed from the cross on the Sabbath.
The Sabbath would have begun at 6:00 p m on Friday....

"Preparation" has long been the regular name for Friday in the Greek language.
Note Mark 15:42 the term "preparation" is the day before the Sabbath.
The women who prepared His body with ointments; rested on the Sabbath
according to the Commandment. ( Luke 23:56).

If you want to observe Saturday as your day of worship go for it, but please, do not use the
New Testament as verification. Any Christian worth his salt knows better!

Jesus spoke three times from the Cross. Between 9:00 A.M. to 12 noon (1) Words of Forgiveness. (Luke 23:34).
(2) Word of Promise (Luke 23:43), and (3) Word of Care (John 19:26, 27a).
The last four words Jesus spoke from the Cross were uttered in darkness that came over "all the land"
from noon to 3:00 P.M.

These words were (1) Word of Loneliness (Ma. 27:46b), (2) Word of Suffering (John 19:30b, (4)
Word of Trust (Luke 23:46b).
The death of Jesus confirmed and His burial before Sundown of Friday.
The Hebrew day begins at sundown, approximately six hours before the beginning of the modern day;
the actual hour hour therefore, varies according to the season of the year.

Ironic: His death came as the last of the lambs were being sacrificed on the alter in the temple.
There was no sacrifices going on, on the Jewish Sabbath.
 

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #87 on: Sun Feb 05, 2012 - 19:49:42 »
Consumingfire: 'I am clearly aware of the fact.  I read the first half of the article and it was on the right track, but that is all I had time to read.  Jesus imo, died somewhere in between 4-6 p.m. on Saturday, which is still Saturday.'

Nope. you would think that you Sabbath keepers would know that it was against the law to "touch a dead body"
(Numbers 19:11). This is why Jesus was removed from the cross on Friday, 3:00 P.M. our time.
Under the law a Jew would be violated by touching a dead body on the Sabbath.
 

If you are going to be in love with the law.....study it...
Read John 19:31 and get back with us on why Jesus was removed from the cross on the Sabbath.
The Sabbath would have begun at 6:00 p m on Friday....

"Preparation" has long been the regular name for Friday in the Greek language.
Note Mark 15:42 the term "preparation" is the day before the Sabbath.
The women who prepared His body with ointments; rested on the Sabbath
according to the Commandment. ( Luke 23:56).

If you want to observe Saturday as your day of worship go for it, but please, do not use the
New Testament as verification. Any Christian worth his salt knows better!

Jesus spoke three times from the Cross. Between 9:00 A.M. to 12 noon (1) Words of Forgiveness. (Luke 23:34).
(2) Word of Promise (Luke 23:43), and (3) Word of Care (John 19:26, 27a).
The last four words Jesus spoke from the Cross were uttered in darkness that came over "all the land"
from noon to 3:00 P.M.

These words were (1) Word of Loneliness (Ma. 27:46b), (2) Word of Suffering (John 19:30b, (4)
Word of Trust (Luke 23:46b).
The death of Jesus confirmed and His burial before Sundown of Friday.
The Hebrew day begins at sundown, approximately six hours before the beginning of the modern day;
the actual hour hour therefore, varies according to the season of the year.

Ironic: His death came as the last of the lambs were being sacrificed on the alter in the temple.
There was no sacrifices going on, on the Jewish Sabbath.
 
Of course it was against the law to touch a dead body on the Sabbath.  That is why He was removed before sundown on Wednesday.  They wanted Jesus and the thieves removed before the High Holy Shabbat would have began, which would be at sundown just an hour or so after He was removed from the cross.  What would have even lead you to believe I did not know this? 

John 19:31 is not talking about the traditional Sabbath.  It is a High Holy Sabbath that began on Wednesday, the 14th of Nisan.  This is explained well by the following:

Pesach/Passover happens in the spring of the year, on the 14th day of the Hebrew month Nisan. It was the day that God delivered His people from Mitzrayim/Egypt. God's deliverance was so awesome, that the calendar was forever changed. The month of Nisan (known as Aviv/Abib before the Babylonian captivity) became the first month of the Hebrew religious calendar from then on, as ordered by God in Shemot/Exodus 12:2. Pesach is a one day feast that is immediately followed by the seven-day Hag HaMatzot/Feast of Unleavened Bread.

God declared that Pesach be observed as a memorial forever (Shemot/Exodus 12:14) and it was to be kept as a service (Shemot/Exodus 12:25). The service included the lamb, matzah, and bitter herbs and to raise questions in the minds of children in order to rehearse the Exodus story in every generation (verse 26 & 27). The God of Israel also ordained many other observances to commemorate this moment in Exodus 12:43-13:16 (such as treating the first born as consecrated to Him).

Yeshua is seen as our Passover Lamb(1 Kefa/I Peter 1:19), and our Eternal Redemption. He was prophesied about, in this capacity, in Yesha'yahu/Isaiah 53. John the Baptist identified Yeshua as THE Lamb (Yochanan/John 1:29) who takes away the sin of the world, and takes our place just as the Passover lamb did. Rav Sha'ul/Paul lets us know how to become unleavened lives, through remembering that Yeshua was free of sin and sacrificed for us( 1 Corinthians 5:7). Once you've understood the Love and Gift we've been given, by Him who became sin for us,"who knew no sin" (2Corinthians 5:21)...it's very hard NOT to understand the taste of bitter herbs involved.

Historically, the Pesach in Mitzrayim can be seen in the fulfillment and representation of the Lamb of God. This Lamb, Yeshua HaMashiyach/Jesus Christ also took part in the Passover services as a child (Luke 2:41&42). As an adult He expressed His desire to observe the Passover with His talmidim (Luke 22:15-16). Yeshua took part in a Passover with His disciples and compared Himself, and His approaching Redemptive Act, to the items in the Passover Seder. There are several accounts in the Gospels of Mattityahu/Matthew, Mark, Luke, and Yochanan/John to reflect this (see Luke 22:14-20 and also 1 Corinthians 11:22-29).

During the week of our Lord's Passover (with Yeshua/Jesus), a chain of events occurred that paralleled that of the Pesach ritual.

Shortly before Pesach pilgrims would come to Jerusalem in bands, singing psalms, bringing their offerings as the Lord had blessed them. On the 10th of Nisan they would select from their flock or purchase from the priests their Pascal lamb. It would have been tied in a prominent place to be examined for the coming service.

On the 10th of Nisan, the people waved palm branches and shouted praises when Yeshua (whom Yochanan the Immerser/John the Baptist had proclaimed to be the Lamb of God) rode into the city on a donkey. They shouted Hosheanah and sang the Hallel. Yeshua, the Lamb of God, went to the Beit HaMikdash and spent four days there among the people, where all could examine him and see He was without spot or blemish. The religious leaders of that day (Sadducees, Pharisees, scribes...) asked Yeshua all types of difficult questions, and He answered them for all to see and hear.

On Nisan 14, at the 3rd hour (9 AM), Yeshua was nailed to a stake on a hill called Gulgolta directly east of the Beit HaMikdash.

Pilgrims would have passed by on their way to the Beit HaMikdash with their lambs in tow. Preparation for the sacrifices of the lambs would start at noon.

From noon until 3 PM (the 9th hour) darkness covered the land. (Mattityahu/Matthew 27:45) Around 3 PM each Israelite was to slay his lamb in the Beit HaMikdash. The lambs would have been taken in groups of 30 at a time. Priests would catch the blood in bowls and throw it at the base of the altar 'fire brigade' style passing gold and silver bowls in a line. The Hallel would be sung.

Yeshua died at exactly 3 PM becoming forever our Pascal Lamb who Redeemed us from a life of bondage in sin. (Mattityahu/Matthew 27:46-50)

The parokhet at the entrance to the Holy of Holies was torn in two from top to bottom as Yeshua would become our Cohen HaGadol taking our offerings directly. (Mattityahu/Matthew 27:51)

Within a generation the Beit HaMikdash would be destroyed causing the sacrificial system (and consequently the sacrifice of Pascal lambs) to end.

That evening, as the Israelites returned to their families to roast the Pascal lambs, Yeshua's/Jesus' body was wrapped in linen and placed in the tomb. Three days later as our Bikkurim He would rise to take His position as Melech/King and as Cohen HaGadol.

Why would I even need to look to the NT for validation?  It is a law that is perfectly clear and easy to understand.  Even if Jesus rose on Sunday (Which would be a stretch) that would not change the Sabbath.

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #88 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 10:22:47 »
Ignoring St. Ignatius and the Bible I give you is just unbecoming. For one who discards the Resurrection's sovereignty in Sunday observance but then presents himself as honest you are ironically a lot like the Sadduccees.
The resurrection was late on Saturday...


Not at all.

For one we don't when during the first day Christ rose we just know it was the first day. Furthermore what we call Saturday evening is actually the beginning of the first day. So late Saturday is early the first day.

God and the Jews divide days evening to morning. Everyone else divide day morning to evening.

Disputing that Christ rose on the first day is not really worth the energy.
I am limited on time, so I will give you this for now.
http://therefinersfire.org/resurrection1.htm


I've read your article. It says Christ died Wednesday and was raised on Saturday evening. I can entertain that but you and apparently this author are not aware of the simple fact that Saturday evening IS the beginning of the first day.

Days for Jews and God are divided evening to morning. Pagan cultures divided days morning to evening.

So basically even if (and that is a strong if) this author is right and Christ rose on Saturday evening that is the beginning of the first day. The end of the seventh day was when the sun set.
I am clearly aware of the fact.  I read the first half of the article and it was on the right track, but that is all I had time to read.  Jesus imo, died somewhere in between 4-6 p.m. on Saturday, which is still Saturday. 


Your opinion does not shape ancient Christian heritage nor does it amount to very much. None of ours really do. I take my lead from the Early Church. Take yours from your own opinion.

You don't have any evidence that Christ rose on Saturday evening so whats the point?

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #89 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 11:59:55 »
C--fire: "God and the Jews divide days evening to morning. Everyone else divide day morning to evening.

You have that wrong C--fire...the Jews followed time from Sundown to Sundown of the next day.
You are letting your 7th day doctrine override the facts.
What is about John 19:31  that you do not understand?

His body came down of the Cross on the Jewish "Preparation."
What is it about the "preparation day" that you do not understand? ( John 19:42 ).

"His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but you shalt in any wise bury him THAT DAY;
( for he that is hanged is accursed of God; ) that the land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God
has given you for inheritance' ( Deuteronomy 21:23 ).

This is why Paul would write: "Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse
for us: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that hanggeth on a tree."

It takes professional help to miss this..
By the way, was it cold enough to have a fire last Saturday in your neck of the woods?



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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #90 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 12:52:38 »
Jesus is the Sabbath ....

He is our Divine, Eternal Rest

He never changes


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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #91 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 13:43:54 »
Ignoring St. Ignatius and the Bible I give you is just unbecoming. For one who discards the Resurrection's sovereignty in Sunday observance but then presents himself as honest you are ironically a lot like the Sadduccees.
The resurrection was late on Saturday...


Not at all.

For one we don't when during the first day Christ rose we just know it was the first day. Furthermore what we call Saturday evening is actually the beginning of the first day. So late Saturday is early the first day.

God and the Jews divide days evening to morning. Everyone else divide day morning to evening.

Disputing that Christ rose on the first day is not really worth the energy.
I am limited on time, so I will give you this for now.
http://therefinersfire.org/resurrection1.htm


I've read your article. It says Christ died Wednesday and was raised on Saturday evening. I can entertain that but you and apparently this author are not aware of the simple fact that Saturday evening IS the beginning of the first day.

Days for Jews and God are divided evening to morning. Pagan cultures divided days morning to evening.

So basically even if (and that is a strong if) this author is right and Christ rose on Saturday evening that is the beginning of the first day. The end of the seventh day was when the sun set.
I am clearly aware of the fact.  I read the first half of the article and it was on the right track, but that is all I had time to read.  Jesus imo, died somewhere in between 4-6 p.m. on Saturday, which is still Saturday. 


Your opinion does not shape ancient Christian heritage nor does it amount to very much. None of ours really do. I take my lead from the Early Church. Take yours from your own opinion.

You don't have any evidence that Christ rose on Saturday evening so whats the point?
You did not read my post above yours. 

The reason I am bringing this up is not to prove to people that I am right, it is to show how absurd it is to change the Sabbath based on something that is not proven.  Even if it was proven, it would not be grounds for changing the Sabbath.

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But.....

Jesus is the Sabbath ....

He is our Divine, Eternal Rest

He never changes

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #93 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 14:03:02 »
Ignoring St. Ignatius and the Bible I give you is just unbecoming. For one who discards the Resurrection's sovereignty in Sunday observance but then presents himself as honest you are ironically a lot like the Sadduccees.
The resurrection was late on Saturday...


Not at all.

For one we don't when during the first day Christ rose we just know it was the first day. Furthermore what we call Saturday evening is actually the beginning of the first day. So late Saturday is early the first day.

God and the Jews divide days evening to morning. Everyone else divide day morning to evening.

Disputing that Christ rose on the first day is not really worth the energy.
I am limited on time, so I will give you this for now.
http://therefinersfire.org/resurrection1.htm


I've read your article. It says Christ died Wednesday and was raised on Saturday evening. I can entertain that but you and apparently this author are not aware of the simple fact that Saturday evening IS the beginning of the first day.

Days for Jews and God are divided evening to morning. Pagan cultures divided days morning to evening.

So basically even if (and that is a strong if) this author is right and Christ rose on Saturday evening that is the beginning of the first day. The end of the seventh day was when the sun set.
I am clearly aware of the fact.  I read the first half of the article and it was on the right track, but that is all I had time to read.  Jesus imo, died somewhere in between 4-6 p.m. on Saturday, which is still Saturday. 


Your opinion does not shape ancient Christian heritage nor does it amount to very much. None of ours really do. I take my lead from the Early Church. Take yours from your own opinion.

You don't have any evidence that Christ rose on Saturday evening so whats the point?
You did not read my post above yours. 

The reason I am bringing this up is not to prove to people that I am right, it is to show how absurd it is to change the Sabbath based on something that is not proven.  Even if it was proven, it would not be grounds for changing the Sabbath.


It is for us who are new creations. The seventh-day rest was for the old creation.

Genesis 2:3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

I am a new creation.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Galatians 6:15
For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.


A new creation predicated on a new image.

Colossians 3:10
and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.


A creation and image that was completed on the day of the Resurrection.

Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.

Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood
 

The day of the Resurrection is the day God completed His new creation. Being of that new creation and having been redeemed from the corrupted old creation, that day has primacy for me.

That day is the symbol of the rest we of the new creation take in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Matthew 11:28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Get off my back with all this Old Covenant stuf. New Covenant. New Creation. Not Adam's image Christ's image.

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #94 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 14:05:20 »
C--fire: "God and the Jews divide days evening to morning. Everyone else divide day morning to evening.

You have that wrong C--fire...the Jews followed time from Sundown to Sundown of the next day.
You are letting your 7th day doctrine override the facts.
What is about John 19:31  that you do not understand?

His body came down of the Cross on the Jewish "Preparation."
What is it about the "preparation day" that you do not understand? ( John 19:42 ).

"His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but you shalt in any wise bury him THAT DAY;
( for he that is hanged is accursed of God; ) that the land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God
has given you for inheritance' ( Deuteronomy 21:23 ).

This is why Paul would write: "Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse
for us: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that hanggeth on a tree."

It takes professional help to miss this..
By the way, was it cold enough to have a fire last Saturday in your neck of the woods?



]You picked this to nitpick on?  I know the Jewish calendar, you are not teaching me anything when trying to discuss it.  All that means is that evening starts the day as opposed to morning.  It was a way for easily explaining a distinguishing factor between the two schools of thought when it comes to days and nights.  7th day doctrine?  How is it doctrine when the Sabbath is on the 7th day? All of the doctrine exists to justify a change in that, not the other way around.  It is actually very easy to objectively look at a situation like the one we are discussing.  My Sabbath would not change regardless of what my studies found.  Many other people (Several that have posted in this thread) have hinged their Sunday worship on something that I believe is unproven scriptually.  It is going to be impossible for them to objectively look at something like this because they have explained to God, their family and their friends that they worship on Sunday for this reason. 

The Jewish preparation was happening before the Wednesday Sabbath began.  They were preparing the last sacrificies around noon time the day Jesus was placed on the cross. 

His body was removed THAT DAY.  The only difference is that the day was Wednesday.  Did you even read my post? 

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #95 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 14:05:56 »
Ignoring St. Ignatius and the Bible I give you is just unbecoming. For one who discards the Resurrection's sovereignty in Sunday observance but then presents himself as honest you are ironically a lot like the Sadduccees.
The resurrection was late on Saturday...


Not at all.

For one we don't when during the first day Christ rose we just know it was the first day. Furthermore what we call Saturday evening is actually the beginning of the first day. So late Saturday is early the first day.

God and the Jews divide days evening to morning. Everyone else divide day morning to evening.

Disputing that Christ rose on the first day is not really worth the energy.
I am limited on time, so I will give you this for now.
http://therefinersfire.org/resurrection1.htm


I've read your article. It says Christ died Wednesday and was raised on Saturday evening. I can entertain that but you and apparently this author are not aware of the simple fact that Saturday evening IS the beginning of the first day.

Days for Jews and God are divided evening to morning. Pagan cultures divided days morning to evening.

So basically even if (and that is a strong if) this author is right and Christ rose on Saturday evening that is the beginning of the first day. The end of the seventh day was when the sun set.
I am clearly aware of the fact.  I read the first half of the article and it was on the right track, but that is all I had time to read.  Jesus imo, died somewhere in between 4-6 p.m. on Saturday, which is still Saturday. 


Your opinion does not shape ancient Christian heritage nor does it amount to very much. None of ours really do. I take my lead from the Early Church. Take yours from your own opinion.

You don't have any evidence that Christ rose on Saturday evening so whats the point?
You did not read my post above yours. 

The reason I am bringing this up is not to prove to people that I am right, it is to show how absurd it is to change the Sabbath based on something that is not proven.  Even if it was proven, it would not be grounds for changing the Sabbath.


It is for us who are new creations. The seventh-day rest was for the old creation.

Genesis 2:3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

I am a new creation.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Galatians 6:15
For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.


A new creation predicated on a new image.

Colossians 3:10
and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.


A creation and image that was completed on the day of the Resurrection.

Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.

Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood
 

The day of the Resurrection is the day God completed His new creation. Being of that new creation and having been redeemed from the corrupted old creation, that day has primacy for me.

That day is the symbol of the rest we of the new creation take in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Matthew 11:28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Get off my back with all this Old Covenant stuf. New Covenant. New Creation. Not Adam's image Christ's image.


Now that's what I'm talking about.... Jesus!

.....Manna!

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #96 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 14:09:51 »
But.....

Jesus is the Sabbath ....

He is our Divine, Eternal Rest

He never changes

For me to refute this, it will lead down a path that is not the topic of this thread.  I respect your belief, but you have to realize that I do not hold the same one when it comes to this. 

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #97 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 14:16:38 »
Ignoring St. Ignatius and the Bible I give you is just unbecoming. For one who discards the Resurrection's sovereignty in Sunday observance but then presents himself as honest you are ironically a lot like the Sadduccees.
The resurrection was late on Saturday...


Not at all.

For one we don't when during the first day Christ rose we just know it was the first day. Furthermore what we call Saturday evening is actually the beginning of the first day. So late Saturday is early the first day.

God and the Jews divide days evening to morning. Everyone else divide day morning to evening.

Disputing that Christ rose on the first day is not really worth the energy.
I am limited on time, so I will give you this for now.
http://therefinersfire.org/resurrection1.htm


I've read your article. It says Christ died Wednesday and was raised on Saturday evening. I can entertain that but you and apparently this author are not aware of the simple fact that Saturday evening IS the beginning of the first day.

Days for Jews and God are divided evening to morning. Pagan cultures divided days morning to evening.

So basically even if (and that is a strong if) this author is right and Christ rose on Saturday evening that is the beginning of the first day. The end of the seventh day was when the sun set.
I am clearly aware of the fact.  I read the first half of the article and it was on the right track, but that is all I had time to read.  Jesus imo, died somewhere in between 4-6 p.m. on Saturday, which is still Saturday. 


Your opinion does not shape ancient Christian heritage nor does it amount to very much. None of ours really do. I take my lead from the Early Church. Take yours from your own opinion.

You don't have any evidence that Christ rose on Saturday evening so whats the point?
You did not read my post above yours. 

The reason I am bringing this up is not to prove to people that I am right, it is to show how absurd it is to change the Sabbath based on something that is not proven.  Even if it was proven, it would not be grounds for changing the Sabbath.


It is for us who are new creations. The seventh-day rest was for the old creation.

Genesis 2:3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

I am a new creation.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Galatians 6:15
For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.


A new creation predicated on a new image.

Colossians 3:10
and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.


A creation and image that was completed on the day of the Resurrection.

Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.

Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood
 

The day of the Resurrection is the day God completed His new creation. Being of that new creation and having been redeemed from the corrupted old creation, that day has primacy for me.

That day is the symbol of the rest we of the new creation take in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Matthew 11:28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Get off my back with all this Old Covenant stuf. New Covenant. New Creation. Not Adam's image Christ's image.
This entire post revolves around the day of resurrection being on Sunday.  That is the exact mindset in which I was discussing earlier.  Replacing the Sabbath with a day that is not proven to be the day of resurrection is a little bit dangerous in my opinion. 

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #98 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 14:54:22 »
Ignoring St. Ignatius and the Bible I give you is just unbecoming. For one who discards the Resurrection's sovereignty in Sunday observance but then presents himself as honest you are ironically a lot like the Sadduccees.
The resurrection was late on Saturday...


Not at all.

For one we don't when during the first day Christ rose we just know it was the first day. Furthermore what we call Saturday evening is actually the beginning of the first day. So late Saturday is early the first day.

God and the Jews divide days evening to morning. Everyone else divide day morning to evening.

Disputing that Christ rose on the first day is not really worth the energy.
I am limited on time, so I will give you this for now.
http://therefinersfire.org/resurrection1.htm


I've read your article. It says Christ died Wednesday and was raised on Saturday evening. I can entertain that but you and apparently this author are not aware of the simple fact that Saturday evening IS the beginning of the first day.

Days for Jews and God are divided evening to morning. Pagan cultures divided days morning to evening.

So basically even if (and that is a strong if) this author is right and Christ rose on Saturday evening that is the beginning of the first day. The end of the seventh day was when the sun set.
I am clearly aware of the fact.  I read the first half of the article and it was on the right track, but that is all I had time to read.  Jesus imo, died somewhere in between 4-6 p.m. on Saturday, which is still Saturday. 


Your opinion does not shape ancient Christian heritage nor does it amount to very much. None of ours really do. I take my lead from the Early Church. Take yours from your own opinion.

You don't have any evidence that Christ rose on Saturday evening so whats the point?
You did not read my post above yours. 

The reason I am bringing this up is not to prove to people that I am right, it is to show how absurd it is to change the Sabbath based on something that is not proven.  Even if it was proven, it would not be grounds for changing the Sabbath.


It is for us who are new creations. The seventh-day rest was for the old creation.

Genesis 2:3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

I am a new creation.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Galatians 6:15
For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.


A new creation predicated on a new image.

Colossians 3:10
and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.


A creation and image that was completed on the day of the Resurrection.

Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.

Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood
 

The day of the Resurrection is the day God completed His new creation. Being of that new creation and having been redeemed from the corrupted old creation, that day has primacy for me.

That day is the symbol of the rest we of the new creation take in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Matthew 11:28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Get off my back with all this Old Covenant stuf. New Covenant. New Creation. Not Adam's image Christ's image.
This entire post revolves around the day of resurrection being on Sunday.  That is the exact mindset in which I was discussing earlier.  Replacing the Sabbath with a day that is not proven to be the day of resurrection is a little bit dangerous in my opinion. 


The core problem is in believing that the concept of days exist in eternity

The entire idea of a day, any day is that they are signs, they are conceptual, they are not actual things that actually exist except conceptually .....

God uses the idea or concept of days, weeks months and years as signs to represent deeper truths and realities

For that reason Saturday in China is not Saturday everywhere on earth.....

Saturday in the USA is not Saturday in Singapore

So just on a practical basis it is ridiculous to think of a day as anything of actual substance to God when clearly from His perspective which is an aerial one....the entire planet would consist of different days at the same time.

Clearly the Sabbath is nothing more to God than a symbol He gave to man to represent a deeper Spiritual Truth.....

Right at this very moment it is Tuesday in Australia so is it Tuesday in Australia because God says it is or because man says it is?

Or better yet

What day is it to God right now?

Wouldn't it depend on where He lives?

With that as the case today wouldn't today be Eternity for God?  ::shrug::


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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #99 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 15:59:15 »
Ignoring St. Ignatius and the Bible I give you is just unbecoming. For one who discards the Resurrection's sovereignty in Sunday observance but then presents himself as honest you are ironically a lot like the Sadduccees.
The resurrection was late on Saturday...


Not at all.

For one we don't when during the first day Christ rose we just know it was the first day. Furthermore what we call Saturday evening is actually the beginning of the first day. So late Saturday is early the first day.

God and the Jews divide days evening to morning. Everyone else divide day morning to evening.

Disputing that Christ rose on the first day is not really worth the energy.
I am limited on time, so I will give you this for now.
http://therefinersfire.org/resurrection1.htm


I've read your article. It says Christ died Wednesday and was raised on Saturday evening. I can entertain that but you and apparently this author are not aware of the simple fact that Saturday evening IS the beginning of the first day.

Days for Jews and God are divided evening to morning. Pagan cultures divided days morning to evening.

So basically even if (and that is a strong if) this author is right and Christ rose on Saturday evening that is the beginning of the first day. The end of the seventh day was when the sun set.
I am clearly aware of the fact.  I read the first half of the article and it was on the right track, but that is all I had time to read.  Jesus imo, died somewhere in between 4-6 p.m. on Saturday, which is still Saturday.  


Your opinion does not shape ancient Christian heritage nor does it amount to very much. None of ours really do. I take my lead from the Early Church. Take yours from your own opinion.

You don't have any evidence that Christ rose on Saturday evening so whats the point?
You did not read my post above yours.  

The reason I am bringing this up is not to prove to people that I am right, it is to show how absurd it is to change the Sabbath based on something that is not proven.  Even if it was proven, it would not be grounds for changing the Sabbath.


It is for us who are new creations. The seventh-day rest was for the old creation.

Genesis 2:3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

I am a new creation.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Galatians 6:15
For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.


A new creation predicated on a new image.

Colossians 3:10
and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.


A creation and image that was completed on the day of the Resurrection.

Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.

Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood
 

The day of the Resurrection is the day God completed His new creation. Being of that new creation and having been redeemed from the corrupted old creation, that day has primacy for me.

That day is the symbol of the rest we of the new creation take in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Matthew 11:28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Get off my back with all this Old Covenant stuf. New Covenant. New Creation. Not Adam's image Christ's image.
This entire post revolves around the day of resurrection being on Sunday.  That is the exact mindset in which I was discussing earlier.  Replacing the Sabbath with a day that is not proven to be the day of resurrection is a little bit dangerous in my opinion.  


The day of the Resurrection was the first day, we just don't know when.

Matthew 27:62 The next day, that is, after the day of Preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered before Pilate 63 and said, “Sir, we remember how that impostor said, while he was still alive, ‘After three days I will rise.’ 64 Therefore order the tomb to be made secure until the third day, lest his disciples go and steal him away and tell the people, ‘He has risen from the dead,’ and the last fraud will be worse than the first.
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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #100 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 16:26:53 »
And just so I don't look like I'm rambling or imposing my own ideology on Sacred Scripture, I'll let God speak on His plans for fallen Israel.

Israel's Unfaithfulness Punished

Hosea 2:11 And I will put an end to all her mirth,
   her feasts, her new moons, her Sabbaths,
   and all her appointed feasts.


I mean we could do this all day people. How about we just at ease mentioning paganism and my Church.

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #101 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 22:23:26 »
Ignoring St. Ignatius and the Bible I give you is just unbecoming. For one who discards the Resurrection's sovereignty in Sunday observance but then presents himself as honest you are ironically a lot like the Sadduccees.
The resurrection was late on Saturday...


Not at all.

For one we don't when during the first day Christ rose we just know it was the first day. Furthermore what we call Saturday evening is actually the beginning of the first day. So late Saturday is early the first day.

God and the Jews divide days evening to morning. Everyone else divide day morning to evening.

Disputing that Christ rose on the first day is not really worth the energy.
I am limited on time, so I will give you this for now.
http://therefinersfire.org/resurrection1.htm


I've read your article. It says Christ died Wednesday and was raised on Saturday evening. I can entertain that but you and apparently this author are not aware of the simple fact that Saturday evening IS the beginning of the first day.

Days for Jews and God are divided evening to morning. Pagan cultures divided days morning to evening.

So basically even if (and that is a strong if) this author is right and Christ rose on Saturday evening that is the beginning of the first day. The end of the seventh day was when the sun set.
I am clearly aware of the fact.  I read the first half of the article and it was on the right track, but that is all I had time to read.  Jesus imo, died somewhere in between 4-6 p.m. on Saturday, which is still Saturday.  


Your opinion does not shape ancient Christian heritage nor does it amount to very much. None of ours really do. I take my lead from the Early Church. Take yours from your own opinion.

You don't have any evidence that Christ rose on Saturday evening so whats the point?
You did not read my post above yours.  

The reason I am bringing this up is not to prove to people that I am right, it is to show how absurd it is to change the Sabbath based on something that is not proven.  Even if it was proven, it would not be grounds for changing the Sabbath.


It is for us who are new creations. The seventh-day rest was for the old creation.

Genesis 2:3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

I am a new creation.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Galatians 6:15
For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.


A new creation predicated on a new image.

Colossians 3:10
and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.


A creation and image that was completed on the day of the Resurrection.

Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.

Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood
 

The day of the Resurrection is the day God completed His new creation. Being of that new creation and having been redeemed from the corrupted old creation, that day has primacy for me.

That day is the symbol of the rest we of the new creation take in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Matthew 11:28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Get off my back with all this Old Covenant stuf. New Covenant. New Creation. Not Adam's image Christ's image.
This entire post revolves around the day of resurrection being on Sunday.  That is the exact mindset in which I was discussing earlier.  Replacing the Sabbath with a day that is not proven to be the day of resurrection is a little bit dangerous in my opinion.  


The day of the Resurrection was the first day, we just don't know when.

Matthew 27:62 The next day, that is, after the day of Preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered before Pilate 63 and said, “Sir, we remember how that impostor said, while he was still alive, ‘After three days I will rise.’ 64 Therefore order the tomb to be made secure until the third day, lest his disciples go and steal him away and tell the people, ‘He has risen from the dead,’ and the last fraud will be worse than the first.

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #102 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 22:33:55 »
And just so I don't look like I'm rambling or imposing my own ideology on Sacred Scripture, I'll let God speak on His plans for fallen Israel.

Israel's Unfaithfulness Punished

Hosea 2:11 And I will put an end to all her mirth,
   her feasts, her new moons, her Sabbaths,
   and all her appointed feasts.


I mean we could do this all day people. How about we just at ease mentioning paganism and my Church.
What point are you trying to make with that scripture?

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #103 on: Tue Feb 07, 2012 - 03:56:04 »

Two things Sabbath keepers can't stop doing:

1.  Praising their righteousness in accordance to the law
2.  Accusing others of braking God's law

Watch ... here they come... watch....



2. ACCUSING OTHERS:  "If you don't care for the 4th commandment, you don't love God... it is pretty simple." 

1.  PRAISING HIMSELF:  I don't go around telling people they need to keep the Sabbath... but if people are talking about changing the Sabbath, or accusing Sabbath keepers of being wrong, I will step in and say something. 

The defense rests.

I think the problem is that you see your actions as needing a defense.  If you love God, you will do his commandments. 
Friend , it is simple to those who know the 'Sabbath-Jesus' but not simple to the ' Sunday-Jesus'. When one follows 'another Jesus' they can not possibly keep the Sabbath and no amount of explaining will change them. TRUTH is given by GOD to those willing to put aside their own understanding. That is a hard thing to do for most people who love the sound of their own voice more than God.

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Re: Does the day of Christ ressurection change the Sabbath?
« Reply #104 on: Tue Feb 07, 2012 - 08:30:35 »
Ignoring St. Ignatius and the Bible I give you is just unbecoming. For one who discards the Resurrection's sovereignty in Sunday observance but then presents himself as honest you are ironically a lot like the Sadduccees.
The resurrection was late on Saturday...


Not at all.

For one we don't when during the first day Christ rose we just know it was the first day. Furthermore what we call Saturday evening is actually the beginning of the first day. So late Saturday is early the first day.

God and the Jews divide days evening to morning. Everyone else divide day morning to evening.

Disputing that Christ rose on the first day is not really worth the energy.
I am limited on time, so I will give you this for now.
http://therefinersfire.org/resurrection1.htm


I've read your article. It says Christ died Wednesday and was raised on Saturday evening. I can entertain that but you and apparently this author are not aware of the simple fact that Saturday evening IS the beginning of the first day.

Days for Jews and God are divided evening to morning. Pagan cultures divided days morning to evening.

So basically even if (and that is a strong if) this author is right and Christ rose on Saturday evening that is the beginning of the first day. The end of the seventh day was when the sun set.
I am clearly aware of the fact.  I read the first half of the article and it was on the right track, but that is all I had time to read.  Jesus imo, died somewhere in between 4-6 p.m. on Saturday, which is still Saturday.  


Your opinion does not shape ancient Christian heritage nor does it amount to very much. None of ours really do. I take my lead from the Early Church. Take yours from your own opinion.

You don't have any evidence that Christ rose on Saturday evening so whats the point?
You did not read my post above yours.  

The reason I am bringing this up is not to prove to people that I am right, it is to show how absurd it is to change the Sabbath based on something that is not proven.  Even if it was proven, it would not be grounds for changing the Sabbath.


It is for us who are new creations. The seventh-day rest was for the old creation.

Genesis 2:3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

I am a new creation.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Galatians 6:15
For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.


A new creation predicated on a new image.

Colossians 3:10
and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.


A creation and image that was completed on the day of the Resurrection.

Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.

Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood
 

The day of the Resurrection is the day God completed His new creation. Being of that new creation and having been redeemed from the corrupted old creation, that day has primacy for me.

That day is the symbol of the rest we of the new creation take in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Matthew 11:28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Get off my back with all this Old Covenant stuf. New Covenant. New Creation. Not Adam's image Christ's image.
This entire post revolves around the day of resurrection being on Sunday.  That is the exact mindset in which I was discussing earlier.  Replacing the Sabbath with a day that is not proven to be the day of resurrection is a little bit dangerous in my opinion.  


The day of the Resurrection was the first day, we just don't know when.

Matthew 27:62 The next day, that is, after the day of Preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered before Pilate 63 and said, “Sir, we remember how that impostor said, while he was still alive, ‘After three days I will rise.’ 64 Therefore order the tomb to be made secure until the third day, lest his disciples go and steal him away and tell the people, ‘He has risen from the dead,’ and the last fraud will be worse than the first.

 

     
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