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Where is it?
« on: Wed Jul 23, 2014 - 15:51:04 »
Does anyone know where in the Koran the prophecy about Israel never becoming a nation is stated?

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Re: Where is it?
« Reply #1 on: Wed Jul 23, 2014 - 17:10:31 »
Does anyone know where in the Koran the prophecy about Israel never becoming a nation is stated?

John~I took this off of the Internet:

EC links to Homepage) "Quran explicitly refers to the return of the Jews to the Land of Israel before the Last Judgment" "Palazzi believes that Israel exists by divine right and that the Koran clearly states (Sura 5:21) that God granted the Land of Israel to the Children of Israel and ordered them to settle there. In addition, it is predicted that before the end of days, God will bring the Children of Israel to retake possession of the Land, gathering them from the different countries and nations (Sura 17:104). Oddly enough, Palazzi's reading of the Koran is backed up by, of all sources, Al Qaida." The Holy Qur'n To Moses We did give Nine Clear Signs: As the Children of Israel: when he came to them, Pharaoh said to him: "O Moses! I consider thee, indeed, to have been worked upon by sorcery! Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none, But the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: And I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!" So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: But We did drown him and all who were with him. And We said thereafter to the Children of Israel, "Dwell securely in the land (of promise)": But when the second of the warnings came to pass, We gather you together in a mingled crowd. (2314) surah 17:101-104 Al Isra' (The Night Journey) "2314. Some commentators understand the second warning to be the Day of Judgment, the Promise of the Hereafter." Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The Holy Qur'n, p. 703. "Quran explicitly refers to the return of the Jews to the Land of Israel before the Last Judgment" "Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel was never abolished. Moreover, the Quran explicitly refers to the return of the Jews to the Land of Israel before the Last Judgment when it says in the Surah of the Children of Israel, verse 104: And thereafter We [God] said to the Children of Israel: `Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.' Therefore, from an Islamic point of view, Israel is the legitimate owner of the land God deeded to her and whose borders were defined by Abraham in Genesis. All recent claims according to which the"assignment of the Land of Israel to the Jewish people was withdrawn or abrogated"are bereft of scriptural or traditional evidence. The Quran mentions the territory that God assigned to the Jewish people, but neither it nor the traditional Islamic sources mention a supposed withdrawal. Imam al-Qurtubi explains in al-Jami that the last promise concerning the return of the Jewish people"together in a mingled crowd"after the destruction of the Second Temple will be a sign that precedes the coming of the Messiah. The Quran only mentions a double period of mischief and a double punishment with exile from the Land. God says: We warned the Children of Israel in the Book, that TWICE would they do mischief on the earth and TWICE be elated with mighty arrogance. According to this Quranic proof, the contemporary Zionist rebuilding of the State of Israel—the third entry of the Jews to their divinely appointed land—is not mischief but rather a fulfillment of what Imam az-Zamakshari reminds the Jews:"God swore it and wrote in the Divine Tablets of Predestination: that it is yours, belongs to your people and do not turn back from it."


For whatever it is worth.....To me, it reads more like a comic book.
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Re: Where is it?
« Reply #2 on: Wed Jul 23, 2014 - 17:32:20 »
I've never been able to make heads or tails out of the thing...but many Islamic nations refuse to recognize Israel as a nation because of some prophecy that Mohammed made.
(According to the news channels)

So I was wanting the citation.

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Re: Where is it?
« Reply #2 on: Wed Jul 23, 2014 - 17:32:20 »

 

     
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