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Where have all the young people gone?
« on: Mon Jul 21, 2014 - 06:05:09 »
I have believed for a long time that when the government takes over the roll of the church in meeting the needs of people as has been done in Europe and is being done here in the U.S. Christianity suffers.  While  we debate the role o baptism and faith alone our young people are rejecting IMO not God but our approach.  We spend our resources building buildings and paying staff and send out the message if you come we will teach you.  Jesus said go ye. 
http://thetruthwins.com/archives/mass-exodus-staggering-numbers-of-americas-young-people-are-rejecting-the-christian-faith
 
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« Reply #1 on: Mon Jul 21, 2014 - 07:16:01 »
Churches seem to have far more to offer young people now than they did when I was young, but you can force anyone to come can you.

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Re: Where have all the young people gone?
« Reply #2 on: Mon Jul 21, 2014 - 08:53:25 »
God..Bible...and Church is "boring" to a lot of young people now.They would rather get the Joel Osteen treatment than hearing that ole judgmental message of repent and Jesus.

Just the signs of the times.I keep hearing the call for another Billy Graham movement in America...but that will never happen.We are too far down the rabbit hole now.One Nation under God is dead...it's One Nation under World Government now.
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Re: Where have all the young people gone?
« Reply #4 on: Mon Jul 21, 2014 - 09:50:05 »
DaveW  your are not old enough to be a flower child of the 60s. ::smile::

The young folks are not interested in programs or fancy buildings or Joel they want to see Christianity in action.  We are turning more and more of our personal responsibility over to the government and in the eyes of many young folks that makes the Church irrelevant.  They in studies I have seen would rather have a more informal smaller gathering that is more personal and less institutional.  We can throw rocks and blame the young folks but while we are sitting in our church fortress saying come and We  will teach you we are losing a generation of young people.  Visit a dozen different churches and take note of the age of those attending.

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Re: Where have all the young people gone?
« Reply #5 on: Mon Jul 21, 2014 - 09:58:33 »
Osteen 's church is 75% made up of people under the age of 35...I'd say that type of church is bringing in the younger people for a reason.

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« Reply #6 on: Mon Jul 21, 2014 - 10:11:30 »
Churches seem to have far more to offer young people now than they did when I was young, but you can force anyone to come can you.


I agree.  This is a personal observation:

As I have visited a few of the newer  "emergent" congregations I have noticed that I see few "older" people, but see only singles and young marrieds with small children.   

This is another thing I have observed in recent years...The large established church congregations have gone overboard with too much multi-media, hype, and various programs and that requires a large full-time staff and an extraordinary volunteer staff.   Such churches are demanding too much time from volunteers, to the point that they expect the volunteers to be there almost like full time staff.   Most working families have both the husband and wife working full-time and the teen-aged children are also working part-time.    And everyone is trying to keep up with work demands, which are ever-increasing since companies began down-sizing and adding more duties on those who are still employed.   I think that this is another reason we've seen so many churches add service times such as on Friday and Saturday evenings to help accommodate work schedules.   When I was a small child Sundays were set aside for church and family and family time was once respected.   I don't see churches respecting that anymore but operating with more of a corporate attitude.   I think that some people are choosing to stay at home rather than go to these professional packaged services that seem too contrived. 

It doesn't surprise me that more smaller and home group type congregations are starting-up as folk are tired of the rat race, both at work and at church.   I think these people appreciate a real worship service free of the commercialism and stress.   

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Re: Where have all the young people gone?
« Reply #7 on: Mon Jul 21, 2014 - 10:15:36 »
DaveW  your are not old enough to be a flower child of the 60s. ::smile::

How old do I have to be in order to be that?

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Re: Where have all the young people gone?
« Reply #8 on: Mon Jul 21, 2014 - 10:17:27 »
Visit a dozen different churches and take note of the age of those attending.

Kinda like the way it looked in the 60s pre-Jesus movement.  I felt awfully alone at times.

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« Reply #9 on: Mon Jul 21, 2014 - 10:29:51 »
Osteen 's church is 75% made up of people under the age of 35...I'd say that type of church is bringing in the younger people for a reason.

Do you know other statistics about the church?   That is, do they have classes led by good Bible teachers where the membership receive teaching and training in the Scriptures?   Do they have outreach ministries which involve members going out and reaching the community?   I never see any comments about such things, but just negative personal comments about Joel Osteen.   

Lakewood is not the only commercialized church in America.   I was a volunteer at a large Christian church in the city where I live and because I have a technical background I was asked to work on the multi-media team.    Each Sunday I had a copy of the preacher's sermon, a script, and a program, and observed two worship services from my work station every week.   When the preacher got to a certain word or place in his sermon I had to engage lights or video backgrounds or pre-recorded music, etc.  Other people had other duties.   It was more like working on a theatrical team than being involved in a worship service.  (The church had hired a professional theater director.)   Worship had been thrown out of the church in favor of a professional script.   The senior minister hated it but the elders ordered it.   He left and so did I.   God is not welcome in some worship services anymore.    If people are coming to meetings like this and have no further involvement such as with small groups or Bible classes they are not receiving ministry and should look for another place where the Holy Spirit is still welcome.   

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Re: Where have all the young people gone?
« Reply #10 on: Mon Jul 21, 2014 - 10:32:45 »
God..Bible...and Church is "boring" to a lot of young people now.They would rather get the Joel Osteen treatment than hearing that ole judgmental message of repent and Jesus.

Just the signs of the times.I keep hearing the call for another Billy Graham movement in America...but that will never happen.We are too far down the rabbit hole now.One Nation under God is dead...it's One Nation under World Government now.


I cant see that any more youngsters want to hear Joel than anyone else. Also they need to hear about God and His love for them and what Jesus did for them before we start thrusting 'sin, hell and damnation' down their throats. 

Generally the more charismatic churches have younger members, and the older more traditional 'religious' churches have older ones, not surprisingly. Who wants to go to a dead church?
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Re: Where have all the young people gone?
« Reply #11 on: Mon Jul 21, 2014 - 16:14:09 »
Dave that was considered a war protest song in the 60s during the Nam war.

Notreligious  yes the younger generation is not really interested in the formality of the institutional church but are more into relationships and helping.  I don't personally care for Joel O.  but understand why his positive message would appeal to the younger folks .   They are not into the doing church right that so many main line groups are.  If we do not find the answers in 30 years Christianity will not be the major religion of this country.

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Re: Where have all the young people gone?
« Reply #12 on: Tue Jul 22, 2014 - 05:53:34 »
Dave that was considered a war protest song in the 60s during the Nam war.

Yes I remember that. I almost went to Nam.

I also remember the church pre-Jesus movement and there being no teens or early 20s anywhere around.  What is described by the OP sounds very familiar.

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« Reply #13 on: Tue Jul 22, 2014 - 13:25:46 »
Some of the younger folks here may not have a clue as to what song you referred to.

Where have all the flowers gone long time passing
Where have all the flowers gone long time ago
Gone to young girls everyone when will they ever learn when will they ever learn'
Where have all the young girls gone  ...... gone to young men everyone.......
where have all the young men gone....... gone to soldiers everyone.....
where have all the soldiers gone....... gone grave yards everyone...
Where have all the flowers gone ..... gone to grave yards everyone ,  When will they ever learn

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« Reply #14 on: Tue Jul 22, 2014 - 13:33:50 »
Oh comeon - give them the real thing:

I found Pete Seeger's original too boring. 
I like the version from Peter Paul and Mary:
Peter Paul and Mary, Where Have All The Flowers Gone Small | Large

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« Reply #15 on: Tue Jul 22, 2014 - 18:36:01 »
Cool.  Bob Dillon put it out first but you couldn't understand the words.  Like all his songs.  lol

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« Reply #16 on: Wed Jul 23, 2014 - 09:47:57 »
Am I the only one concerned that it appears that our man made institutions we call church are failing to reach our children and grand children?  Do we just want to start another endless thread about baptism, saved by grace alone or some other detail that we will never agree on ?   Or do we want to find real solutions to the things that satin uses to divide us or be blissfully unaware that an unbelieving world is the price of our in fighting?  OK rant is over. 

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« Reply #17 on: Wed Jul 23, 2014 - 10:24:07 »
IT seems that the more charismatic churches attract more young people, and if there are a good number of young people in a church,  then more will want to come.

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« Reply #18 on: Wed Jul 23, 2014 - 11:54:23 »
From all the surveys I have seen these drop out young are interested in action and helping and not really interested in doing church in the traditional sense.  I think part of the problem is we hire "youth ministers" and the young fellowship, help others and each other and do god and exciting things then when they reach a certain age we tell them it is time to sit down stare at the back of their brothers head , listen to a monologue give a few dollars and go home.  Little wonder we are losing them.

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« Reply #19 on: Wed Jul 23, 2014 - 14:11:41 »
UnChristian, by David Kinnaman and Gabe Lyons, I thought had a lot of insight into the problem. Most churches are resisting the conclusions the book reached, however.

In the information age, traditional churches supplying pat answers just doesn't resonate. Young people will no longer accept authority without reason, and that's what too many churches provide.

and yeah, participating in Kingdom work, well, works a lot better than sitting with funnels in their heads, receiving information.

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« Reply #20 on: Wed Jul 23, 2014 - 17:26:04 »
Osteen 's church is 75% made up of people under the age of 35...I'd say that type of church is bringing in the younger people for a reason.

itching ears for sure...

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« Reply #21 on: Wed Jul 23, 2014 - 21:40:14 »
As I said I am not a fan of Joel but if his ministry is made up of 75% below the age of 35 we might want to take a closer look because most churches are made up of folks my age and almost completely void of young people.  I think it is obvious we as a group are failing our children and God.  It seems we want to ignore the truth so I will fade back into the background and do my mod job of trying to keep things civil as we continue the endless discussions on what keeps us apart.

 

     
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