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Title: Easter 2020
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Mar 05, 2020 - 08:33:50
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The original Easter morning occurred on the first day of the Jews' week. (Matt 28:1, Mark 16:1-2, and John 20:1)

However, the first day of the Jews' week isn't the anchor for Jesus' resurrection. The real anchor is whatever night of the week that the paschal lamb is eaten, and the date for that night floats on the civil calendar, i.e. it isn't fixed like Christmas and birthdays.

The paschal dinner is always eaten at night; viz: after the sun goes down-- all the way down. 2020's night for the dinner will commence at sundown the afternoon of Wednesday April 08, which means that Jesus would die on the cross the afternoon of that same day because his death occurred during the afternoon of the day that the Jews were preparing for their paschal lamb dinner. (John 18:28, John 19:14)

The three nights that Jesus predicted in Matt 12:40 are counted by beginning with the night of the paschal dinner. Seeing as that night is scheduled to begin in 2020 with sundown the afternoon of Wednesday April 08, then Wednesday night would be the first night; Thursday night the second night, and Friday night the third night.

The three days are counted by beginning with the sunrise that wraps Passover night, which in 2020 is Thursday April 09; so then that day would be the first day, Friday the second day, and Saturday the third day, viz: Jesus' resurrection, were it to take place in 2020, would commence Saturday morning April 11.
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Title: Re: Easter 2020
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Mar 19, 2020 - 12:21:39
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I live in the metro area of Portland Oregon USA. The 2020 vernal equinox occurred at my location on March 19 @ 08:49 PM. Seeing as how that was before midnight, then in accordance with civil time, our first day of Spring was March 19.

However, according to Gen 1:4-5, Gen 1:14, Gen 1:16-18, and John 11:9-10; the hours of Day and Night on Earth are distinctly separate. So then, our actual our first day of Spring didn't begin till sunrise on March 20 while our first night of Spring began at 08:49 PM March 19.

This issue may seem trivial, but it serves to point out that because of the differences between civil time and Bible time, it can be very confusing for some when tracking events in the Bible; for example the three days and three nights relative to Jesus' burial and resurrection.
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Title: Re: Easter 2020
Post by: rstrats on Thu Apr 02, 2020 - 06:30:20
NyawehNyoh,
re:  "The three nights that Jesus predicted in Matt 12:40 are counted by beginning with the night of the paschal dinner. Seeing as that night is scheduled to begin in 2020 with sundown the afternoon of Wednesday April 08, then Wednesday night would be the first night..."

Actually, Wednesday night would be over some 12 hours by sundown Wednesday afternoon.
Title: Re: Easter 2020
Post by: robycop3 on Thu Apr 02, 2020 - 15:45:17
  Actually, Jesus rose on Saturday, just before sunset. Remember, He was already risen early Sunday AM when the women went to His grave.
  And, actually, the TRUE anniversary of His resurrection seldom falls on a Sunday.
Title: Re: Easter 2020
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Apr 02, 2020 - 23:10:27
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Actually, Jesus rose on Saturday, just before sunset. Remember, He was already risen early Sunday AM when the women went to His grave.[/font]

What year was it back then? Was it 2020?
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Title: Re: Easter 2020
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Apr 02, 2020 - 23:14:15
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According to God's original design: Day on earth is when the sun is up, and Night on earth is when the sun is down. (Gen 1:4-5, Gen 1:14, and Gen 1:16-18)

In my opinion, Jesus would know better than any of us about the hours of Day and Night back in 1st century Israel seeing as how he was actually living there at the time.

● John 11:9-10 . . . Jesus answered; Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

The light of this world is the sun; viz: relative to Christ's crucifixion and resurrection: Days began with sunrise and Nights began with sundown.

Were we to select any five-year old kid at random and ask them to tell us the difference between Day and Night; they'd know. It puzzles me why so many Bible students don't know.

● Matt 11:25-26 . . I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.
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Title: Re: Easter 2020
Post by: rstrats on Fri Apr 03, 2020 - 05:13:06
NyawehNyoh,
re:  "...Days began with sunrise and Nights began with sundown."

And that begins a new calendar day.  Which makes me wonder why you wrote that Wednesday night would be the first night when Wednesday night had been over around 12 hours by the time of sundown Wednesday afternoon.
Title: Re: Easter 2020
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Apr 03, 2020 - 12:27:35
re:  "...Days began with sunrise and Nights began with sundown."

And that begins a new calendar day.


Calendar days on Earth (a.k.a. civil days) are twenty-four hours, whereas according to Gen 1:4-5, Gen 1:14, Gen 1:16-18, and John 11:9-10; nature's days on Earth are no more than twelve, viz: the Bible keeps days and nights distinctly seperate.
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Title: Re: Easter 2020
Post by: rstrats on Fri Apr 03, 2020 - 12:37:30
NyawehNyoh,
re:  "Calendar days on Earth are twenty-four hours, whereas according to Gen 1:4-5, Gen 1:14, Gen 1:16-18, and John 11:9-10; biblical days on Earth are no more than twelve."

What is your point with regard to your assertion that Wednesday night would be the first night? 
Title: Re: Easter 2020
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Apr 03, 2020 - 16:24:38
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What is your point with regard to your assertion that Wednesday night would be the first night?

Any points that I may have are all located in the OP, and also in replies No.1, No.5, and No.7
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Title: Re: Easter 2020
Post by: rstrats on Sat Apr 04, 2020 - 07:00:54
NyawehNyoh,
re:  "Any points that I may have are all located in the OP, and also in replies No.1, No.5, and No.7"

I don't see where those posts explain the point you were trying to make in your post #8.



re:  "The paschal dinner is always eaten at night; viz: after the sun goes down-- all the way down. 2020's night for the dinner will commence at sundown the afternoon of Wednesday April 08..."

And Thursday night - not Wednesday night - begins at sundown on Wednesday afternoon.  Wednesday night had been over some 12  hours by sundown Wednesday afternoon. You said that the 1st night of the Messiah's prophesy began Wednesday night.  How can that be since you said the Messiah wasn't dead until Wednesday afternoon?
Title: Re: Easter 2020
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Apr 04, 2020 - 12:33:56
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And Thursday night - not Wednesday night - begins at sundown on Wednesday afternoon.  Wednesday night had been over some 12  hours by sundown Wednesday afternoon. You said that the 1st night of the Messiah's prophesy began Wednesday night.  How can that be since you said the Messiah wasn't dead until Wednesday afternoon?

Most folks don't process time the way you do. For example, today is Saturday. Were I to ask the average person when Saturday night begins, they would say it begins at sundown this afternoon. (Every high school teen-ager knows when Friday night begins.)

In like manner, were I to ask the average person when Sunday night begins; they would say at sundown tomorrow afternoon.
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Title: Re: Easter 2020
Post by: robycop3 on Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 13:20:37
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What year was it back then? Was it 2020?
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  Most likely, it was 27 AD, as, by Scriptural markers, Jesus was born in 6 BC. (Quirinius was area governor thru 6 BC, & Herod died 4 BC,  about 2 years after the magi first saw the star.)
Title: Re: Easter 2020
Post by: lea on Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 14:25:21
NyawehNyoh,
re:  "The three nights that Jesus predicted in Matt 12:40 are counted by beginning with the night of the paschal dinner. Seeing as that night is scheduled to begin in 2020 with sundown the afternoon of Wednesday April 08, then Wednesday night would be the first night..."

Actually, Wednesday night would be over some 12 hours by sundown Wednesday afternoon.
According to Judaism, any part of a day is considered a whole day. Therefore, since Jesus died on a Friday and arose on that Sunday, it is considered 3 days in the heart of the earth.
Title: Re: Easter 2020
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 20:20:36
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According to Judaism, any part of a day is considered a whole day. Therefore, since Jesus died on a Friday and arose on that Sunday, it is considered 3 days in the heart of the earth.

The Lord predicted he'd be in the heart of the Earth not only three days, but also three nights. (Matt 12:40)

Your chronology accommodates only two nights.
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Title: Re: Easter 2020
Post by: rstrats on Mon Apr 27, 2020 - 06:44:10
lea,
re:  "According to Judaism, any part of a day is considered a whole day. Therefore, since Jesus died on a Friday and arose on that Sunday, it is considered 3 days in the heart of the earth."

Any thoughts on why He specifically made the point that three nights would be involved?