You are going off the deep end. The whole crux of the conversation was that if a child dies he goes straight to hell because of Adam's sin. You calvinists just cant stay on topic.
And no, but that doesn't matter, because God would not do that today. And you forget the nature of sin...it affects everyone, you first off spiritually and sometimes physically, and then all those around you.
Again, the crux of the conversation is not suffering, it is going to hell because of Adam's sin....stay on topic.
No, that is not what I said...although, if you are hearing me say something that I am not saying, you may want to find someone to examine you to see if you are hearing things....
I don't see anyone saying in this discussion that a child goes straight to hell because of Adam's sin.
But maybe you can help me by pointing me to the post where such a claim is being made?
It most definitely is not a Calvinist claim, so I wonder where you get that from.
But maybe that too you can sustain with evidence that this is indeed what Calvinism teaches?
This is what Calvinists claim on this matter:
- Nobody is justified by himself, and every person young or old must be justified by the blood of Christ before he or she can enter heaven.
- Children equally need justification before God, and Christ's work on the cross needs to be imputed to them as much as it needs to be imputed to any adult.
- When a child dies by its human nature it deserves to go to hell, however we believe that a merciful God, through the sacrifice of Christ, will grant them access to heaven and eternal life.
- The Bible does not make any reference to whether there will or will not be children in hell, therefore we believe there will not be.
So in short, we believe that children, same as believing adults, get what they do not deserve.
Both you and a child deserve to go to hell, yet by God's mercy and grace will you receive something you do not deserve.
So now that I have explained myself, back to the son suffering because of the sin of the father.
The story in 2 Samuel 12 is exactly an example where a child suffered because of the fathers sin.
It is in fact literally said in verse 14:"But what you did caused the Lord’s enemies to lose all respect for Him. For this reason the son who was born to you will die.”
And the child was sick for seven days and died.
So tell me, how is this not an example of a child suffering for a sin committed by the father?