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EXAMINE Acts 15:11 ?
« on: Sat May 28, 2022 - 19:01:26 »
It  reads ,  But  we  believe through  the  GRACE  of the  Lord Jesus  Christ to be  saved as they also ?

 What does  Peter talking to , and Peter is talking  about  GRACE  and was not  Peter  a  LAW KEEPER ?

 And then  mentions , TO  BE  SAVED AS  THEY  ALSO ?

 Who are the  THEY ?

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Re: EXAMINE Acts 15:11 ?
« Reply #1 on: Sat May 28, 2022 - 20:28:41 »
Why do you say Peter was a Law keeper? Even in Acts, they were saved by grace through faith in Christ.

Also Paul (a Jew’s Jew in HIS words).

Romans 7:7-12
7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Acts 24:14
But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets.
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Re: EXAMINE Acts 15:11 ?
« Reply #2 on: Tue May 31, 2022 - 17:26:13 »
And since Paul  BORN  our of  DUE  TIME , then who will be born in  DUE  TIME ?

 I believe it is  Israel !!

 My  reasoning is this >

 The  Body of  Christ  was  chosen   BEFORE /  PRO  the  foundation of the  world ,  Eph 1:4

 But  Israel and the  things  concerning Israel were  FROM / APO ,  the  foundation of the  world .  Matt  13:35 .

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Re: EXAMINE Acts 15:11 ?
« Reply #3 on: Wed Jun 01, 2022 - 04:49:54 »
Really poor reasoning. Paul is speaking about the apostles, all of whom were taught by Jesus personally when He was on earth.  He then notes that Jesus appeared to Him, but only after Jesus had ascended, but yet maintained his apostle status as an apostle of Christ, that is., sent by Jesus Christ.  It had nothing whatsoever to do with Israel.

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Re: EXAMINE Acts 15:11 ?
« Reply #4 on: Wed Jun 01, 2022 - 05:34:43 »
It reads,  But we believe through the  GRACE of the Lord Jesus  Christ to be saved as they also? What does  Peter talking to, and Peter is talking about  GRACE, and was not  Peter a  LAW KEEPER?  And then mentions, TO BE SAVED AS THEY ALSO? Who are the THEY? dan p
Peter opens the council by reminding the apostles and elders of Cornelius’ conversion (Acts 15:6-11). Recognizing a serious doctrinal controversy, the apostles and elders consult together. After much disputing, Peter reminds everyone of God’s blessing upon Cornelius. Of all the apostles, God chose Peter to preach the gospel to Cornelius. The Gentile family of Cornelius heard the gospel from Peter and believed. God confirmed these converts with the Holy Ghost (Acts 10:44-48; 11:15-18).

God gave them the same faith we have, which eliminated the differences. Peter then accuses these Judaizers of tempting God with the impossible law of Moses. (so, no Peter was not a law keeper, as far as that goes, no man ever has been such, but one~Jesus Christ, the Son of God)

Peter's message to the council can be summed up: Tempting God denies His revelation and power to complain or exalt your way. Your Judaizing requirements reject His testimony and deny their godly hope. The law could not give life; it was unbearable to all men (Galatians 3:21; Romans 7:7-11).

In a remarkable summary, he states apostolic hope to be saved by grace like Gentiles. Final salvation with perfect righteousness and glorification is by God's grace through the redemption which is in Jesus Christ. Both Jews and Gentiles must be saved by grace, for the law can save no man. We refer to the pronoun “they” to the Gentile “disciples” rather than “fathers.”

I agree with 4WD:
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It had nothing whatsoever to do with Israel.
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Re: EXAMINE Acts 15:11 ?
« Reply #5 on: Thu Jun 02, 2022 - 18:36:46 »
And it is  so  , because of  Gal 2:7 where it  reads  , But , on the  other  hand ,  having  been  that  I  have  been  entrusted with the  GOSPEL  of the   UNCIRCUMCION   (  IN OTHERS , PREACHING  TO  GENTILES .

 Just  as  Peter  was  of THE  CIRCUMCION  and  notice that the  Greek text does  not  say what  Peter preached a  GOSPEL  , Israel in  40  more  years  was to  be  set  ASIDE  as  written in  Acts  28:26-28 .

 Also notice , in  Gal 2:11-14  Peter was  rebuked  by  Paul  and in  verse 13 said of Peter that he was  HYPOCRITE , why  , because in  verse 14 ,  he  was trying  to  COMPEL the  Gentiles to  ADOPT  Jewish Customs and  RITES .

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Re: EXAMINE Acts 15:11 ?
« Reply #6 on: Fri Jun 03, 2022 - 05:59:18 »
And it is so , because of  Gal 2:7 where it reads, But, on the other hand, has been that  I  have been entrusted with the  GOSPEL  of the   UNCIRCUMCISION   (  IN OTHERS, PREACHING  TO  GENTILES.

 Just as  Peter was of THE  CIRCUMCISION  and notice that the  Greek text does not say what  Peter preached a  GOSPEL, Israel in  40  more years was to be set  ASIDE  as written in  Acts 28:26-28.

 Also notice, in  Gal 2:11-14 Paul rebuked Peter and in verse 13 said of Peter that he was  HYPOCRITE, why because, in verse 14,  he was trying to  COMPEL the Gentiles to  ADOPT  Jewish Customs and  RITES.  dan p
Dan, you are so confused on many doctrinal positions.

First, It really does not matter what Greek text you are reading from, Peter DID preach the gospel, even to GENTILES before Paul did! Read Acts 10. It seems you have a very hard time rightly dividing the word of God, which probably means you need to first be taught before you begin teaching others. No pun intended, just stating a bible truth.

As far as Israel as a nation being set aside in and around 70 A.D.~this actually took place at the death of Jesus Christ and his resurrection. AS A NATION God was forever finished with them~with the Jewish Temple being the place to worship; and Jerusalem being the city to worship at. John 4
Quote from: JESUS CHRIST
John 4:21-23~"Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him."
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Also notice , in  Gal 2:11-14  Peter was  rebuked  by  Paul  and in  verse 13 said of Peter that he was  HYPOCRITE , why  , because in  verse 14 ,  he  was trying  to  COMPEL the  Gentiles to  ADOPT  Jewish Customs and  RITES .
Peter was not trying to compel the Gentiles to adopt Jewish customers and rites~but, what he was guilty of doing was Peter was inconsistent in holding firm the liberty that Christ set his people from the duties of the law in order to be acceptable to God.

While he was with the Gentiles he lived as they lived, but when the believers who were legalist in their understanding came to Peter from Jerusalem he withdrew himself from living as the Gentiles were living as far as eating, etc. by doing so, he was agreeing with them to a certain degree, that WORKS of the law are needed in order to be saved and acceptable to God~this is where Paul went after Peter~he was not holding fast the truth of the gospel that Justification is not by our works, but by God's grace freely given to us BASED UPON Jesus' obedience NOT OURS. 
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Re: EXAMINE Acts 15:11 ?
« Reply #7 on: Tue Jun 07, 2022 - 18:07:17 »
  And people today  are  saved  by  GRACE , Eph 2:8 ?

 How  was  Peter  saved ?

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Re: EXAMINE Acts 15:11 ?
« Reply #8 on: Tue Jun 07, 2022 - 18:19:11 »
Everyone is saved by grace through faith, no exception. Even those that are water baptized God’s grace provides the way. The water is only obedience to God’s will and our faith is not absent in water baptism. So when we are baptized into Christ, we access the cleansing blood of Christ, and receive the indwelling Holy Spirit. God’s grace is fully in play and our faith is fully in play. Grace through our faith in Christ.
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Re: EXAMINE Acts 15:11 ?
« Reply #9 on: Tue Jun 07, 2022 - 18:44:20 »
 And you say that  God 's  grace  provides the  way ?

 I missed that  verse , write it out  for  me ?

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Re: EXAMINE Acts 15:11 ?
« Reply #10 on: Tue Jun 07, 2022 - 18:51:33 »
Do you doubt God’s grace is involved with any salvation?

Dunking in Water does nothing without God’s grace and WHAT HE DOES IN BAPTISM. Do we not exhibit faith in our obedience?
Write the verse that disagrees with that.

The “work” of baptism is done by God, not man. The nlood of Christ is offered only by God’s grace through faith in Christ. Otherwise we just get ceremonially wet.
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Re: EXAMINE Acts 15:11 ?
« Reply #11 on: Fri Jun 10, 2022 - 17:28:17 »
  And  Peter  was a  LAW  KEEPER and  Gal 2:14  says  that  Peter was  COMPELING the  GENTILES  to Adopt Jewish   Customs and  RITES .

 There is that  PROOF . and do you  agree or  disagree ?

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