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« Reply #35 on: Thu Dec 03, 2020 - 18:54:34 »
I am talking about the first man made from the dust of the earth during creation week.
So am I.

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« Reply #36 on: Thu Dec 03, 2020 - 19:29:57 »
Question. Most of you regular contributors in these types of thread say that God's image, given to Adam, was of a spiritual nature and not a physical one. (While there could be a debate on what that "spiritual" nature of Adam was this is not the thread for that)
So far, so good.

And the primary reason for that is because God does not have a body.... is that correct?
No.

God is a spirit.  Being a spirit does not mean that you don't have a body.  God was once embodied in a single man.  That man then died, rose again, and then ascended into the heavens.  Whether He remained in that body or not we don't know.  I lean towards disembodiment, but the Bible leaves this as a mystery, and we fight about it. ::smile::

Whichever way you think about that, God is definitely embodied in the assembly of the brethren.  In other words, we are the body of Christ - literally.  God acts in the world through us.  We have become the corporeal arm of His being.


Can anyone here define the word image?
A Biblical "image" is an idol.  An idol is nothing more than a concrete representation of a god.

The Bible prohibits us from creating idols (you shall not create for yourselves...), of course.  However, it does not prohibit God from creating an idol for us, which is precisely how Paul explains Jesus incarnation in Colossians:

He is the image of the invisible God.  Col 1:15


The bible tells us that God is a spirit. AGREED. But can you be certain that God has no form whatsoever?

So why did God tell Moses in Exodus 33

18 Then Moses said, “Now show me your glory.” 

19 And the Lord said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 20 But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”

21 Then the Lord said, “There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. 22 When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.”

So God has a face, at least 1 hand , and a back. 

This tells me that whild God is all spirit, He does have a form that would have a face, hand and back.
Face, hand, and back could all be metaphors.  Perhaps face represents God's nature and unfathomable mind.  That would explain why it must not be seen.  Hand might represent God's agency and action in the world.  I say "perhaps" and "might," but the truth is I know the Hebrew words used in these verses, and they do have those meanings.  They also have their ordinary meanings.  Hebrew words usually have several meanings.

Jesus said...

Matt 26:64 64 Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

So " the power has a hand......!
Right hand and left hand definitely have deeper meaning.  The right side is associated with Charity in the Bible.  The left with judgment.  Are you sure that isn't what's being discussed?

Psalm 48: 8 says 8God reigns over the nations; God sits on His holy throne.

So God sits.

Isaiah 6:1  In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and the train of His robe filled the temple.

And he has a robe.
References to God sitting on the throne are typically allusions to the constellation Cepheus.  The constellation is a king seated on a throne, and it happens to sit in the exact center of the major constellations at the "top" of the sky.  All that is really being said is that God is above everything, in the highest heaven.  The heavens declare the glory of God... quite literally, it turns out.

I shall stop with the references and simply say these clearly tell us that God very well could have formed Adam in the physical image of  when He said "  “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;"
The Bible is not ambiguous on this point.  The truth may be a bit obfuscated by the translation, but it is clear that what is meant by "in His image" is that we have intelligence.  The attribute which separates us from the animals is what was bestowed in the story.  God "breathed" into Adam, and the breath (aka spirit) has everything to do with intelligence.

Actually, my question does not need an answer...
Oh, well... this is awkward.  I already answered in some detail.  ::lookaround::

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Re: Fallen Nature Testing
« Reply #37 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 05:38:27 »
So am I.
This sure does not sound like that. 

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I think "Adam" is the entire nation elsewhere translated as "Edom."

It sounds like you are referring to a whole people group rather than just one individual male - before a female human ever existed.

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Re: Fallen Nature Testing
« Reply #38 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 08:46:30 »
It sounds like you are referring to a whole people group rather than just one individual male - before a female human ever existed.
It is common to refer to an entire nation by the name of their ancestor.  "Israel" is both a person and a nation in the Bible.  The same applies to "Edom."

You already know this, you just don't like the implications for this chapter.

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« Reply #39 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 08:52:49 »
It is common to refer to an entire nation by the name of their ancestor.  "Israel" is both a person and a nation in the Bible.  The same applies to "Edom."

You already know this, you just don't like the implications for this chapter.
Edom was another name for Esau, brother of Jacob/Israel.  That was a thousand years (give or take) after Adam and Eve. What applied to that person and nation is not applicable to Adam or Eve.

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Re: Fallen Nature Testing
« Reply #40 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 13:39:59 »


Face, hand, and back could all be metaphors.


 ::frown:: ::headscratch:: ::eek::

A small comment.
You know as well as I those here who have had the God is spirit ergo that was the image imparted into Adam.

I am not argueing.... on this Face, hand, and back thing... I am right  rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

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« Reply #41 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 18:45:48 »
Edom was another name for Esau, brother of Jacob/Israel.
Exactly.  Genesis is a bit like Revelation... the stories repeat in different forms.

That was a thousand years (give or take) after Adam and Eve. What applied to that person and nation is not applicable to Adam or Eve.
That's tradition, not the Bible.  Specifically, it's based on Bishop Ussher's chronology of the Bible.

The story of Adam is the story of Esau.  Observe:

Adam's wife led him to sin, and as a result he was expelled from Gan Eden.

Esau was likewise led astray by his (Hittite) wives which grieved his parents (Gen 26).  He forfeited his birthright (Gen 25) causing him to have to eventually leave Canaan and instead dwell at Mt Seir (Gen 36).

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« Reply #42 on: Mon Dec 07, 2020 - 05:13:43 »
That's tradition, not the Bible.
No - a literal 6 day creation with the first man being physically made from soil IS BIBLE. 
The first woman being made from removing "the curved part" of his side IS BIBLE.
A talking snake that had legs (long lizard?) that tempted her IS BIBLE.

or do you NOT take Genesis 1-3 as a true account of creation?
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Specifically, it's based on Bishop Ussher's chronology of the Bible.
The Jews have their own chronology that has nothing to do with bishop ussher.
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The story of Adam is the story of Esau.  Observe:
Adam's wife led him to sin, and as a result he was expelled from Gan Eden.
Esau was likewise led astray by his (Hittite) wives which grieved his parents (Gen 26).  He forfeited his birthright (Gen 25) causing him to have to eventually leave Canaan and instead dwell at Mt Seir (Gen 36).
That only shows how God works in types and shadows.  One event may foreshadow a later event. 

Just like the Passover story with the plagues foreshadows the events of Revelation.
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Re: Fallen Nature Testing
« Reply #43 on: Mon Dec 07, 2020 - 06:58:13 »
No - a literal 6 day creation with the first man being physically made from soil IS BIBLE.  The first woman being made from removing "the curved part" of his side IS BIBLE. 
Agreed.
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A talking snake that had legs (long lizard?) that tempted her IS BIBLE.
Simply a snake~that Satan SPOKE THROUGH.

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« Reply #44 on: Mon Dec 07, 2020 - 07:30:06 »
Simply a snake~that Satan SPOKE THROUGH.
But apparently that snake that hasatan spoke thru had legs.
Until the Lord cursed it to crawl on its belly.

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« Reply #45 on: Mon Dec 07, 2020 - 07:45:16 »
And what is the literal explanation of, "...at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim and the flaming sword which turned every direction to guard the way to the tree of life" (Gen 3:24)?

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« Reply #46 on: Mon Dec 07, 2020 - 09:21:02 »
But apparently that snake that hasatan spoke thru had legs.
Until the Lord cursed it to crawl on its belly.
Dave, have you ever seen a snake go upright with very little of its body on the ground? I have a few times. Once on a golf course, it was in the high weeds rising above the weeds to see who was around him that he heard and smell and it was me. I believe at creation it was created to walk upright and its curse was to crawl on its belly.
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Genesis 3:14~"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:"
God cursed the serpent above ALL, and cause him to go upon his belly all the days of its life.

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« Reply #47 on: Mon Dec 07, 2020 - 10:08:30 »
No - a literal 6 day creation with the first man being physically made from soil IS BIBLE.
I honestly don't know why I even try.

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« Reply #48 on: Mon Dec 07, 2020 - 10:38:15 »
Dave, have you ever seen a snake go upright with very little of its body on the ground? I have a few times. Once on a golf course, it was in the high weeds rising above the weeds to see who was around him that he heard and smell and it was me. I believe at creation it was created to walk upright and its curse was to crawl on its belly. God cursed the serpent above ALL, and cause him to go upon his belly all the days of its life.
https://www.livescience.com/56573-mutation-caused-snakes-to-lose-legs.html

Science has proven that snakes used to have legs.   While I am severely skeptical of the hundred + million year time-frame in the article, the fact that the genes and in some species a bone structure exists is proof enough to me of GOD taking away the legs and feet from snakes as recorded in Genesis 3.

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« Reply #49 on: Mon Dec 07, 2020 - 11:17:45 »
https://www.livescience.com/56573-mutation-caused-snakes-to-lose-legs.html

Science has proven that snakes used to have legs.   While I am severely skeptical of the hundred + million year time-frame in the article, the fact that the genes and in some species a bone structure exists is proof enough to me of GOD taking away the legs and feet from snakes as recorded in Genesis 3.
And whales and dolphins too?  What did they do wrong?

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« Reply #50 on: Mon Dec 07, 2020 - 11:22:51 »
And whales and dolphins too?  What did they do wrong?
Nothing.  They were created with fins and flippers.  That takes the same internal structure as an arm or leg.

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« Reply #51 on: Mon Dec 07, 2020 - 11:25:18 »
And you know that how, exactly?

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« Reply #52 on: Mon Dec 07, 2020 - 11:27:03 »
I honestly don't know why I even try.
::thumbup::  ::thumbup::

It very definitely is a loosing effort.

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« Reply #53 on: Mon Dec 07, 2020 - 14:18:57 »
And you know that how, exactly?
Just take a look at the skeletons.

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« Reply #54 on: Mon Dec 07, 2020 - 14:29:43 »
Science has proven that snakes used to have legs.
Sorry Dave, I'm one person who really care little of what Science believes.
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Science has proven that snakes used to have legs.
Dave, it sounds like you would be the guy that would support a Krispy Kreme booth at the diabetes clinic just because a scientist may say it would have a reverse effect on such people.   
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« Reply #55 on: Mon Dec 07, 2020 - 16:57:38 »
Just take a look at the skeletons.
You're funny.  So how do you know that God didn't make them just as we see them now? The Bible doesn't say anything about the snake [serpent] having legs.

It is obvious that you, and so many others, like to pick and choose specifically which parts of the Genesis creation account you want to consider as literal description and which to consider as something other than literal description.  It says that the snake [serpent] will eat dust.  I don't know of a single species of snakes [serpents] that actually eat dust.
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« Reply #56 on: Mon Dec 07, 2020 - 22:35:54 »
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Regarding the forbidden fruit incident depicted in the 3rd chapter of the book of Genesis:

Rom 5:12 . .When Adam sinned, sin entered the entire human race. Adam's sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned.


FAQ: How is it fair to charge the entire human race with the sin of one man?

A: I don't know.

FAQ: Why do I have to die for something I didn't do?

A: I don't know.

FAQ: I was made a sinner before I was even born?

A: Yes.

REACTION: That makes me angry!

RESPONSE: You should be angry, and if you're not, then I really have to question your moral values, i.e. your sense of justice, and your perception of right and wrong.

REACTION: Romans 5:12 is a mistake. According to Ezek 18:20, children are not responsible for their father's sins.

RESPONSE: According to Deut 5:2-4 and Gal 3:17, the laws of God are not retroactive, i.e. Ezek 18:20 was enacted too late to have any say in Adam's life.

FAQ: Does my anger in this matter mean that I test positive for the fallen nature?

A: You test positive.

Rom 8:7 . .The sinful mind is hostile to God.
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« Reply #57 on: Tue Dec 08, 2020 - 01:01:38 »
According to Ezek 18:20, children are not responsible for their father's sins.

According to Deut 5:2-4 and Gal 3:17, the laws of God are not retroactive, i.e. Ezek 18:20 was enacted too late to have any say in Adam's life.
Have you never heard of immutabilty?

Here's the short version: God doesn't change.

Mankind's understanding of God may be progressive, but God is not.  He's the same he's always been.  We just understand a little more as time passes.

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« Reply #58 on: Tue Dec 08, 2020 - 04:58:05 »
I don't know what NyawehNyoh means, if anything.  But it does seem to signify irrational thinking.
RESPONSE: According to Deut 5:2-4 and Gal 3:17, the laws of God are not retroactive, i.e. Ezek 18:20 was enacted too late to have any say in Adam's life.
Ezekiel 18:20 is not a law to be enacted; nor is it a promise of any kind.  It is a statement of fact.  Therefore if you think that Ezekiel 18 and Romans 5 are in any way contradictory then you do not understand one or both - it would seem to be both in your case.

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« Reply #59 on: Tue Dec 08, 2020 - 20:01:53 »
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There's a significant element of difference between Adam's actions and Christ's. Everyone gets slammed with the consequences related to Adam's act; whereas the blessings related to Jesus' act are limited to the few that are chosen from among the many that are called.

The above makes no sense to a reasonable person because if Christ died for everybody, then why isn't everybody chosen? And if it's God's will that everybody be saved; then why aren't they?

Christians have invented a variety of canned apologies with which to respond to those kinds of questions, while in the backs of their minds struggling with the lunacy of it all.
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« Reply #60 on: Tue Dec 08, 2020 - 20:56:05 »
NyawehNyoh:

    "There's a significant element of difference between Adam's actions and Christ's. Everyone gets slammed with the consequences related to Adam's act; whereas the blessings related to Jesus' act are limited to the few that are chosen from among the many that are called."

    I think it would be "religiously correct" to affirm that every human is called but only those who respond with receptive hearts are chosen. It was God's resolution that the results of Adam's sin fall upon all.

    On the other hand, it was God's objective that all who respond to His love and grace be chosen or received. Many passages of scripture support this concept.

    Anyway, are we to answer back to God by questioning His wisdom? After all, He is the potter, we are the clay. "Woe to him who strives with Him who formed him. Does the clay say to Him who forms it, 'What are you making?' or 'Your work has no handles?' " [Isaiah 45:9].

    In another place we find, "Will what is molded say to its molder, 'Why have you made me like this?' Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honored use and another for dishonorable use?" [Rom. 9:19-21].

    As vessels of clay, I strongly suggest we give the Potter the right to do what He chooses as we struggle in a human, earthly way to grasp His reasons and/or mysteries.

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« Reply #61 on: Wed Dec 09, 2020 - 05:14:25 »
There's a significant element of difference between Adam's actions and Christ's. Everyone gets slammed with the consequences related to Adam's act; whereas the blessings related to Jesus' act are limited to the few that are chosen from among the many that are called.
You think that because you haven't read correctly what was actually written in Romans 5.  There is nothing in verses 12-19 that suggests that the blessings stated there resulting from Jesus' act of obedience was limited to a few that are chosen from among the many that are called. In fact it is perfectly clear that the ones who were affected by Adam's disobedience were the exact same ones affected by Jesus' obedience.  What it says is that the affect of Jesus' obedience negated the affect of Adam's disobedience.  That means that the original sin which was the result of Adam's disobedience was negated as a result of Jesus' obedience. 

Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.  For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous (Rom 5:18-19).

Thus the sin of Adam which would have been imputed to the new born [or the unborn] was not; instead the righteousness of Jesus Christ was imputed to the new born [or the unborn].  It is not original sin; rather it is original grace.  None of that says anything about the sins of the many.  That discussion begins in verse 20 and is carried on through chapter 8.  The overall message of chapters 6-8 is the all-sufficiency of grace which gives victory over sin.

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« Reply #62 on: Wed Dec 09, 2020 - 05:31:51 »
There's a significant element of difference between Adam's actions and Christ's. Everyone gets slammed with the consequences related to Adam's act; whereas the blessings related to Jesus' act are limited to the few that are chosen from among the many that are called.

The above makes no sense to a reasonable person because if Christ died for everybody, then why isn't everybody chosen? And if it's God's will that everybody be saved; then why aren't they?
Because God gave us something that He Himself will not violate: freedom of moral choice.

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« Reply #63 on: Wed Dec 09, 2020 - 05:45:21 »
Because God gave us something that He Himself will not violate: freedom of moral choice.
Romans 5:12-19 has not one thing to do with the freedom of moral choice of mankind.  It has to do with the results of the choices of two men, namely Adam and Jesus.

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« Reply #64 on: Wed Dec 09, 2020 - 06:08:13 »
Romans 5:12-19 has not one thing to do with the freedom of moral choice of mankind.  It has to do with the results of the choices of two men, namely Adam and Jesus.
My answer was to the question " if Christ died for everybody, then why isn't everybody chosen? And if it's God's will that everybody be saved; then why aren't they?"

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« Reply #65 on: Wed Dec 09, 2020 - 06:32:46 »
My answer was to the question " if Christ died for everybody, then why isn't everybody chosen? And if it's God's will that everybody be saved; then why aren't they?"
That question was asked in reference to Romans 5.  The significance of Romans 5 has nothing to do with that question.  Romans 5 and the message contained therein continues to be horribly misunderstood.  So many read the first parts of verses such as 18 and 19 and declare Original Sin.  The message, which is contained in the second parts of those verses is precisely why Original Sin is an heretical doctrine.

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« Reply #66 on: Wed Dec 09, 2020 - 12:43:11 »
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I didn't start this thread to discuss the pluses and minuses of various belief systems, rather to discuss elements of the so-called fallen nature.

Most Christians will readily admit to the universality of the fallen nature; but apparently believe themselves immune to its effects. But John pointed out in his first epistle that if Christians say they have no sin, it means they are failing to be totally honest about themselves, viz: their introspection is shaded.

I'm convinced there is a day coming when I will be called on the carpet to answer for myself. That is not the time for dissembling, i.e. to cover up one's true feelings with pious platitudes and apologetic rhetoric. I want to be 100% transparent if perchance Christ asks me some very personal, penetrating questions; for example:

How I really felt about God knowing ahead of time, even before creating human life, that one day He would be destroying most of it in a deluge; not to mention confining much of it in Hell and later on executing them via a mode of death akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron. By means of precognition, the creator saw all that coming yet went ahead and created human life anyway. How did I really feel about that?

How I really felt about being forced to get old and die due to one man's sin?

How I really felt about being made a sinner due to one man's sin?

How I really felt about God not stepping in to stop the Serpent from tempting Eve?

When I gave some serious thought to how God goes about His business, did I come to the conclusion that some of His ways are neither reasonable nor sane?

I've no doubt that a pretty fair number of Christians are going to choke when they're required to give truly honest answers to those kinds of questions. Some are very good at snowing each other, but their snow jobs won't succeed with Jesus because he won't be so much interested in what they knew about certain things, rather, how they felt about certain things. The poor creatures are totally unprepared for the psychological tsunami headed straight towards them.

Rev 1:12-14 . . I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. . . . his eyes were as a flame of fire.
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Re: Fallen Nature Testing
« Reply #67 on: Wed Dec 09, 2020 - 17:18:49 »
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    "I want to be 100% transparent if perchance Christ asks me some very personal, penetrating questions; for example:

    "How I really felt about God knowing ahead of time, even before creating human life, that one day He would be destroying most of it in a deluge; not to mention confining much of it in Hell and later on executing them via a mode of death akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron. By means of precognition, the creator saw all that coming yet went ahead and created human life anyway. How did I really feel about that?


    I think a statement I posted yesterday relates to your remarks above, if I might repost it again.

    "As vessels of clay, I strongly suggest we give the Potter the right to do what He chooses as we struggle in a human, earthly way to grasp His reasons and/or mysteries."

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Re: Fallen Nature Testing
« Reply #68 on: Wed Dec 09, 2020 - 18:08:57 »
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"As vessels of clay, I strongly suggest we give the Potter the right to do what He chooses as we struggle in a human, earthly way to grasp His reasons and/or mysteries."

It's none of my business how you conduct your spiritual affairs, but I do not recommend giving Christ a canned, knee-jerk response should he inquire how you honestly felt about those issues I listed in reply No.66 rather than what you knew about them.
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Re: Fallen Nature Testing
« Reply #69 on: Wed Dec 09, 2020 - 20:06:42 »
NyawehNyoh:

    If He were to ask me how I honestly felt, I would tell Him, as I'm telling you, "Your decision, my Lord and Creator, was and is one of the mysteries surrounding your sovereignty."

   That would not be a "knee-jerk" response, for it would be proceeding from my heart out. But He knows at this moment how I feel. Why should I try to come up with some other feeling than the one I am experiencing now and would be experiencing then?

    I hope this explanation is enough to convince you I'm not hung up on your so-called "knee-jerks."

Blessings,

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