We just have Differing perceptions
I debated whether to even reply to this. But it seems I must at least offer the perspective of someone who understand the Jews were not following God's Law, but were furthering for doctrines, the Commandments of men..
You said "Further, Romans 3:19-28 are about the failures of the law, rather than an "Israel-centric all-or-nothing obedience to the Law."
I see this as being quite the affirmation of Paul's when as Saul first part of his life where everything about him was the law and how it pertained to the Jews.
It is a popular religious philosophy that the Jews were "trying to earn Salvation" or "Merit salvation" by follow God's Commandments. And if a couple of verse are separated from the rest of scriptures, they could be used to support such a doctrine.
But the Biblical Truth about Paul before his conversion, was that he, and the Pharisees, had rejected God's Commandments, in favor of the "Commandments of men" the Jews taught for doctrine. They followed their version of the Levitical Priesthood, with their tithes, and long flowing Robes, and Chief seats of their man made shrines of worship. He may have even participated in the search for proselytes to convert into more of the son of the devil than he was. They had the Oracles of God, but didn't believe it. They had Moses Law, but they didn't keep it.
I think it is important to establish the truth regarding this popular religious philosophy of the religions of this world, that is, that the Pharisees were following God's Law for justification or forgiveness, and teaching others to do the same. And that is why Jesus and His Apostles rejected them.
This popular doctrine is an insidious falsehood that has been planted in our minds from the religions of this world we were born into. But if a person reads what Jesus and Paul really say, this popular doctrine is exposed.
At one time he had NO compassion, what so ever , or any variances outside of the law. And at one time hew was all about the Jews. Period.
To promote a religion in which there was no compassion, or a religious philosophy where compassion doesn't exist, is to completely reject much of the Law of God.
Lev. 19:10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God.
13 Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
35 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment, in meteyard, in weight, or in measure.
These are all Commandments of God that the Jews had rejected, including Paul before his conversion, that instruct compassion, mercy, forgiveness.
Has the Pharisees been like Abraham or Zacharias or Simeon or Anna, in Luke 1&2, they would have known the Christ when HE came, and not have persecuted the innocent.
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because
that Abraham obeyed
my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
But that changed with his conversion and I see in these mentioned verses that
Paul is trying to counter the idea that good Jewish people can be justified in God’s sight through obedience to Jewish law.
As long as you recognize that "Jewish Law" and "God's Law" were two completely different things, with two completely different Authors, this might be true. "Jewish Law" was authored by the prince of this world and its children. God's Law was authored by HIM, and given us by God's Prophet's through the Scriptures.
Zacharias lived by God's Law, Saul, before his conversion, lived by "Jewish Law". After his conversion, he became a New Man, like Zacharias.
Rom. 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God
; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Now he and Zacharias and Abraham are part of the true Body of Christ, while the "children of Disobedience" are thrust out.
Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob
, (Zacharias and Simeon too) and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
To believe God "thrust out" the Jews because they obeyed Him is simply a popular, but false religious philosophy taught by the religions of this world we were born into. I would advise that you "take heed" of men, who come in Christ's Name, that further this deception.
To achieve justification through obedience, a person would have to be totally obedient.
But Rella, isn't it true that God knows His Children will slip and fall into sin on this journey through life? And isn't that the very reason why HE created "Justification" in the first place? How was Abraham Justified? Because of his belief, AKA, Faith, Yes? And how was his belief/faith shown? By rejecting and disobeying God's instruction like the Pharisees did? Or by submitting to God and HIS instruction, like Zacharias did?
Nobody has achieved that standard. Not even when he was Saul... though he surely did claim that.
But according to the Holy Scriptures, Abraham, Abel, Noah, Job, Caleb, Joshua, Gideon, Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, and many others did achieve that standard in God's Eyes. At least according to the Scriptures. As David says in the Psalms 14; "There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous
Paul didn't claim he was obedient to God, though "many" of this worlds self proclaimed "ministers of righteousness" preach he did. He was Zealous for the Religious Traditions of his fathers. And he was a perfect follower of the Pharisees Law.
Gal. 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion
, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it
: 14 And profited in the Jews' religion
above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
Phil. 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law
, a Pharisee;
6 Concerning zeal
, persecuting the church
; touching the righteousness which is in the law, (Pharisees Law) blameless.
Rella, the teaching that Saul was obedient to God before his conversion, is popular doctrine in the religions of this world we were born into, but as Jesus Himself warned us, "many" of these religious philosophies are just not true.`
Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God
; but in works they deny him
, being abominable, and disobedient
, and unto every good work reprobate
Even the heroes of the Old Testament had failed. Abraham tried to pass Sarah off as his sister. David committed adultery with Bathsheba and murdered Uriah. If the great heroes of the faith failed so miserably to keep the law, how can more ordinary people expect to meet the law’s high standard?
Sarah was Abraham's half sister.
David paid a massive price for his indiscretion. Humiliation beyond anything you or I have ever experienced. The loss of his son that was his fault, a burden most of us would be crushed under had God done this to us.. The loss of his kingdom to an underserving son. And yet, through all this, David stayed faithful and Loyal to God. And here is God's Word's regarding His Servant David after all this transpired.
2 King. 18:1 Now it came to pass in the third year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, that Hezekiah the son of Ahaz king of Judah began to reign. 2 Twenty and five years old was he when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and nine years in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Abi, the daughter of Zachariah. 3 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that David his father did.
4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan. 5 He trusted in the LORD God of Israel
; so that after him was none like him among all the kings of Judah, nor any that were before him. 6 For he clave to the LORD, and departed not from following him, but kept his commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses.
Your judgment of these men, and God's Judgment are two completely different things. This is because we have all had these "little leaven" planted in our mind by the religions of this world. Personally, I could never again "Look on the Nakedness of David". And God's Judgment of him, is my judgment of him. I could never hold him up as an excuse for being found in iniquity, although "many" do, as God's Prophet also prophesied.
2 Sam. 12:14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme
, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
There are so many doctrines that are built on the falsehood; "the Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by obeying God"
I just wanted to show you a perspective of someone who believe Jesus' Word's defining the Pharisees. I don't want to make this post any longer, and I understand most will not receive this understanding because it does bring question to a lot of this world's religious philosophies.
I hope you might consider these things in your quest to understand God's Law regarding marriage.