Sorry Michael, but you simply refuse to acknowledge that God has CHOSEN some for service without any obligation to save them spiritually. The fact that some chosen for service do end up believing in Him and thereby being saved is all quite beside the fact. That was the situation with all His disciples [apostles] except for Judas Iscariot.
Your reply #24 is way off base. You have argued the exact opposite of what Paul was saying. Too many of the Israelites had concluded that because they were Israelites and Israelites were chosen of God that they were saved. Paul said NO! Being an Israelite brought them many honors and privileges but salvation was not one of them. That is the whole point of Romans 9.
What I've written there don't have anything to do with any refusal you say there in acknowledging that God has CHOSEN
some for service without any obligation to save them spiritually. For I do acknowledge that. But that does not mean God have NOT chosen a people to be His people, be His children, and Him be their God, for eternity. Even the simple minded knows what that means. You here just outright refuse to acknowledge that, without any attempt to refute it with scriptures. You simply reject it and dismiss it by a mere refusal and disagreement.
You point to the apostles, except Judas, as had been chosen by God for service, and argue that they were saved not because they were chosen but they end up believing. Let's include Paul in there. Let's see if that is really how they were saved. If there is anything I love repeating, is the truth. So, here again.
They were chosen to be witnesses of Christ and of the truth. That means it is necessary that they must be believers, which means that they must be saved, so that they can be witnesses of Christ and of the truth. When God chooses one for service, could one chosen resist His will? According to Romans 9, No. So, what do you say of the necessity that they must be believers and be saved to be witnesses of Christ and of the truth? Yes, what that question implies refutes your view that they were saved not because they were chosen but they end up believing.
Now, let's consider Israel. In my understanding of what you believe and teach, Israel (as a nation of people) was chosen by God for service and argue that it was not for salvation that they were chosen. That those who end up believing will be saved and not that because they were chosen for salvation. Let's see if that is really how it is.
First, who are Israel? They are the seed of Abraham, through Isaac, through Jacob, and through the children of Jacob, and so forth. Let's refer to them here as simply "Israelites". Regarding that, Paul says in Romans 9:6 that they are not all Israel, which are of Israel. That means not all Israelites are the Israel that God had chosen. Paul moved on to further identify Israel, saying that they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God, but the children of the promise. So, the chosen Israel of God, which Paul refers to as the children of God, are not the children of the flesh, or in other words, not necessarily the Israelites by human birth. Who then are the chosen Israel of God, the children of God, whom according to Paul, in Romans 9, are the children of promise?
Paul gives us the answer in Gal. 4:28: the CHRISTIANS
. Galatians 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
The Christians are the children of promise, the children of God, the Israel of God, the chosen people of God.
Now, ponder on Galatians 4:28, on the fact that the Christians, are as Isaac was
. For in there is the answer as to whether the Christians were elected unto salvation or not.