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GENESIS! In the beginning....God....!
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SIMCHAT TORAH V’B’REISHEET “The Joy of the Torah and Genesis” (starting from the beginning)

    The Feast of Tabernacles is the last of the “High Holy Days” which ends on the 8th day, on the 22nd of Tishrei. It is a special day which is called “Simchat Torah” or “Joy of the Torah”.  We rejoice because we have the WORD of God in our midst.  It is His complete word, complete revelation comprised of 66 books, divided up in three parts; The Torah, “Genesis through Deuteronomy” the Prophets and Hebrew poetry, and the Brit HaDashah, “New Testament” or “Covenant”

     Some would like to challenge the word “New” or “Renewed” since we are not governed by the Old Covenant. True, we are not under the Old Covenant, based on animal sacrifices, yet the covenant basically is the same; it is a “Blood Covenant”.  The way that it is “new” is that it is based on the blood of “Yeshua” our Messiah and LORD, and NOT on the blood of animals.  Scripture tells us that the blood of animals had no power to atone for sins by getting rid of them, or abolishing them, or erasing them.  The blood of animals only “covered” sins for one year during the time of Yom Kippur, yet through the sacrificial death of Yeshua, our sins were “atoned for” once and forever, for all time.

     Let’s just talk about the word “Torah” for a moment.  It has been mistranslated in Bibles as the word “law” which comes from the Latin “Legis” Something legalistic.  Yet the word in the original Hebrew “Torah” means “instruction”, so, every place in the Bible where the word “law” is found should really be translated as “instruction” (from our LORD and God YHVH).  Once we get this word from the right perspective, then, a lot of misunderstandings can be corrected.

    So, how many “Torahs” are there? One? Two? Three? If we investigate way back going about six-thousand years.  We come to the creation of this world.  Up to the time of Moshe (Moses), YHVH spoke verbally to the patriarchs, starting from Adam and Chavah (Eve).  They passed on the words of Elohim to their children and their children to their children and so forth.  One could say that this was the first “Oral Torah”.  Finally, we come to Moshe and YHVH speaks to him in person.  Moshe writes down everything the Adonai tells him and thus, we have the first five books of the Bible.
 
     The prophets follow writing down the words of God, continued by a few kings, namely David and Solomon.

Then we come to the New Covenant letters, and books comprised of Yeshua’s talmidim (disciples) and followers.  They were all inspired by the Ruach HaKodesh (The Holy Spirit) as to what to write.  They wrote down Adonai’s words in Hebrew and in Greek, since the world was dominated by the Greeks. The best way to reach the nations was to write in Greek.  From Greek, the Bible was translated into Latin and then to all the languages of the world.
 
     The WORD of God is correct in every detail, there are NO contradictions in it.  If there were, that would mean that YHVH is a God of error, and this is not so.  Those who say that there are contradictions, do not understand the original words and their meanings, therefore, it is a good thing to have a basic knowledge of Hebrew and Greek.  Why did YHVH give us HIS complete and Holy WORD?

     The WORD of God is read in a continuous cycle.  It is all related, one part with another.  There are a few ways in which we can look at it.  For example.  When we finish reading Deuteronomy, we begin again with Genesis. The last word in Deuteronomy is “Israel” and the first word in Genesis is “B’reisheet” (In the beginning). So how do we inter-relate this?  One could say that “In the beginning” even before the foundations of the world, God had “Israel” in his heart and mind.  We could take a step further.  The last letter of the word “Israel” is the “l” (lamed) and the first letter in Genesis is “B” (Beit).  Lamed and Beit spell “Lev” which means “heart”
     We could say that God had Israel always in his “heart” even in the beginning of everything.  The gematria for “Lev” is 30 + 2 = 32.  3 + 2 = 5,  “5” is the number of “grace”.  God had grace in his heart for Israel, even when Israel walked away and went after idols.  “Lev” is also “instruction for the house”. The Torah is instruction for the “House of God”.

     We could go a step further.  The Torah doesn’t stop at the end of Deuteronomy but continues to Malachi.  The last word in Malachi is “curse” (in English) but in Hebrew, the word is “Cherem” The prophet is admonishing his people to repent or Adonai will strike the earth with a curse.

     Genesis starts with a “Blessing” the perfect creation of the earth for mankind, yet at the end we see “curse” which man brought upon himself when he sinned, so in that way, “blessings and curses” are related.  We can have one or the other, obedience or disobedience, our choice.

     We can also see that the last letter in Malachi is a “mem” (m) which symbolizes “water” and in Genesis, the earth was formed out of “water”.

     First, He is a perfect and Holy God, whose most holy name is Yod Hey Vav Hey (YHVH).  Written with the ancient paleo-Hebrew letters, the letters symbolize “Behold the hand, behold the nail”.  A perfect revelation of Messiah Yeshua on Calvary’s cross, receiving in his hands, the nails that held him fast to the crucifixion stake.  There he paid for all of our sins, past, present, and future. 

     Second, the Bible was written to humanity because, in the fallen state caused by sin, man had to be re-directed back to YHVH, through Yeshua.  In this way, mankind could have a renewed covenant relationship with his creator.  Yeshua described it as the “New Birth” in John 3:3.

     Once man has a renewed relationship with YHVH, he is directed towards a holy, sanctified living through following the commandments which were written down by Moshe.  Yeshua also fulfilled the commandments by giving a correct interpretation of them and how they applied to our lives.  Even though there are 613 commandments (mitzvoth) in all.  Not all apply to us today, since we are not under the Levitical priesthood, nor are we under the animal sacrificial system.  Still, many DO apply to us, and that is the reason for Bible/Torah study. 

     Today, we have “commentaries” on God’s word, or, “Midrashim”.  About 400 years after Yeshua, the rabbis and sages compiled the “Talmud” which are commentaries over the Torah, written by the rabbis of old.  These are books, articles, writings, that rabbis have written, giving THEIR interpretation of what the Torah means, but, it is only “commentary”.  Is it good to read and study the Talmud? I would say it is good to read ALL things related to God’s Word, BUT, we should always compare commentary to the written WORD of God.  If it lines up with what the Bible teaches, it is a good thing, if not, as I said, it is just, “commentary” the opinion of someone who is not God. 

     As one rabbi said, “Reading commentary is like eating a bony fish.  Throw away the bones and digest the meat!”

     The following are “Torah Parashot” or “Portions from the Torah” which are read and studied every week for one year.  A “Torah portion” is a “Parashah” and it consists of readings from the five books that Moshe penned down readings from the Prophets, and readings from the Brit HaDashah, “The New Covenant”.  The readings start on the Day of Simchat Torah.  On this day, we start from the “beginning” which is a perfect place to start any reading……SO…...”It’s Torah Time! let’s start from….


PARASHAH: “B’reisheet” (In the Beginning)   

GENESIS 1:1-6:8…………………ISAIAH 42:5-43:10……………MATTHEW 1:1-2:23

     During Simchat Torah, we begin in Genesis…But…Some have the tradition of reading last few verses of Deuteronomy, (34:10-12)  “And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moshe……..and in all that mighty hand, and in all the great terror which Moshe shewed in the sight of all Israel.”

     Interesting that the very last word in Deuteronomy is “Israel”.  We read verses 10 through 12 and in the same breath, continue with Genesis 1:1. Meaning that the Torah is a continuous book, like a circle.

     The very first line in Genesis, the very first line in the Torah has so much meaning; “B’reisheet bara Elohim ET haShamayim v’et haAretz”(the first 7 words)  (In the beginning, Elohim created the heavens and the earth).  One thing to point out, in many English Bibles, the word “heaven” is singular and should be “heavens” (plural), because in Hebrew, “HaShamayim” is “heavens”. Also, in the words; “B’reisheet Bara Elohim” (In the beginning, Elohim created) we find the mixed letters that spell out  “Israel” also.  So, the Torah begins with “Israel” and ends with “Israel”.  If we look at the Hebrew letters that spell out “B’reisheet Bara Elohim” we find “Israel” how? Well let’s see;…  Beit, Resh, Aleph, Shin, Yod, Tav……Beit, Resh, Aleph…..Aleph, Lamed, Hey, Yod, Mem sofit.  Then we pick out the letters that form “Israel”  Yod, Shin, Resh, Aleph, Lamed.  What can this tell us? That from the “Beginning” Elohim had Israel in mind! This is just one way one could look at this.

     Another aspect we can look at is the letter “Alef” which in Hebrew, has no sound by itself, yet takes the sound of whatever vowel that is placed below it.  Within the first 7 words, there are 6 Alefs, When one spells out “Alef” in Hebrew, we get “Alef, Lamed, and Peh” (A L P) these three letters together also mean “One Thousand” (pronounced “elef”).  Many rabbis believe that the symbolism of these 6  Alefs in the first 7 words, is “6 thousand years for mankind living on the earth” followed by another “thousand” (7 thousand years) which would be the Millennial reign of Messiah, then the number “8” (the eighth day of Sukkot) which could be the beginning of the “New Heavens and the New Earth ”  (of course, this is just a possibility).
 
   Another thing is that  Within the first 7 words, we find the word “Emet” (Truth) “Alef, Mem, and Tav” and this is one of the titles of Yeshua, who is the “Way” the “TRUTH” and the “Life”.  He is also the “Living Word” (See John 1:1) so we see Yeshua even in Genesis 1:1

     “7” is the perfect number of YHVH. If we take the seven words, and take the middle word “ET” and take this word “ET” and draw a vertical line from it, we can make a “Menorah” three lines from the middle line connected to “ET” to the other words in this first verse.  The word “ET” has not a literal translation, yet it points to a specific object which is very important.  “ET” in the ancient Hebrew letters are the “Alef and the Tav” or in Greek, the “Alpha and Omega” Or…. the “God of the Covenant”.  So, every time we see “ET” in the original Hebrew, we are reminded of “YHVH, the God of the Covenant”

     Why does the Bible start with the letter “Beit” or “B”? why not with “Alef” or “A”.  Isn’t the “Alef” the symbol for “God”? There is a story about the letters “Alef” and “Beit” who are having an argument as to who would be first.  They both came to Elohim and presented their case.  Elohim-YHVH said, “Alef”, you are very important as you represent who I AM.  You will be the third letter in the Bible because “3” symbolizes “Elohim” because we are united as Father, Son, and Spirit, three entities in one “Echad” being.

     “As for you, letter “Beit” you will be first because you symbolize the “house” which I will make for mankind, for the plants, trees, and flowers, and for all the beasts which I will create.  This house will be called “earth”. This perfect planet will be a “B’rakhah” a “Blessing” to my creation, therefore, the Torah must start with “B”

Also, the letter “Beit” is closed on three sides, yet open on one, the left side.  This means that before the “beginning” there was nothing, only Elohim, and revelation starts with “B” going towards the “left” as the Hebrew is written.”

     So, therefore, the Alef and the Beit left, both satisfied with the verdict from Elohim-YHVH.  We also see in the first line, the creation of the three basic elements of the universe; “space” (the heavens) “time” (in the beginning) and “matter” (the earth).  We have an infinite God that comes out of infinity past and speaks and creates a finite earth.  Creates matter.  The first law of Thermodynamics states that; “All matter has been created and that there is no more matter being created” what we do see is that “matter changes states” (from liquid to solid, = water to ice) or from liquid to gas = water vapor.

     We can also see today the effects of the “2nd law of thermodynamics, that shows that everything in the material world is on a downward spiral, from order to disorder, from composition to decomposition, from perfection to imperfection, why? Because of sin! The wages of sin is death, and therefore, not only in the world of the living but also, in the material world, everything is “dying”
     Elohim looked upon the earth he was forming, which was then, a lot of water and earth elements, and then spoke in verse 3 saying; “Haya haOr” (let there be light) “V’yahi or” (and there was light). And Elohim saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness” (vs 4) There are 4 levels of Torah understanding which are “Peshat” (literal), “Derash” (moral and spiritual), “Remez” (Symbolic), and “Sod” (hidden), (this is when we use gematria, or numbers with math to come to different revelations, mind you this is NOT numerology!)

     There was the physical light, the light we can see, and also, the WORD of God which is looked upon as “light” YESHUA also is referred to the “Light of the World” light is also “sinless perfection” and the “darkness” is also the physical darkness, which is needed, for us to rest at night, so that the flowers can close up and sleep.  I can also refer to the “spiritual darkness” which is “evil” or “sin”.  SO… there is a separation between what is holy and what is not holy, between sin and perfection, between evil and good.  Between our “daylight” and our “nighttime” (taking it literally).
 
     Now, if I were going to study every verse, this first parashah would be perhaps ten pages long, so, we are going to jump a bit.  Elohim created all that this earth contains in 6 literal days, of 24-hour periods. Now, there are some SSs (silly scientists) that say, “the six days are considered a period of four-billion years!” really? Really? Well, if we look at verse 12 it says that Elohim created the plants, trees, grass, etc, then in verse 14, it says that Elohim created the lights in the heavens, which include the sun, moon, and the stars.  Well, if each “day” consisted of, let’s say 600,000,000 years, then, how would the plants and trees, and life itself survive without sunlight for this amount of time?

   Many times, we just have to take God’s word literally.  “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness…and Elohim created the man and the woman in His own image” (vs 26-27).  What does this mean, in HIS own image? What is the IMAGE of ELOHIM?  One could say that the image of Elohim is complete holiness and perfection! Sinlessness! That was how the first couple were made.  The earth was “created” without any previous existing matter, yet man and woman were “created” using “already existing matter” namely,” the dust of the earth (adamah).

     The name “Elohim” shows the “plural unity (Echad)” of God, and just as Elohim consists of the Father, the Son, and the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) so man and woman were also joined “Echad” with Elohim in mind, soul, and spirit.  What is man? What is woman? But a soul and spirit inhabiting a flesh and bone body.  Bodies that will one day (because of sin) deteriorate and cease to function and return to the earth.

     Elohim loved his creation of man and woman.  He placed them in a perfect paradise home, a garden full of trees that produced fruit, nuts, flowers, clean water, animals that were friendly.  The only prohibition was the Tree of the Knowledge of good and evil.  But…as we know the story, HaSatan, tricked them into eating the forbidden fruit.  As soon as Adam and Eve ate the fruit (and nowhere does it say that it was an apple) the Word says that they “realized that they were naked” (3:7) but weren’t they already naked? I mean, they weren’t created wearing Levis! 
however...remember that the word “light” the words “light” and “skin” are written almost the same way in Hebrew, the only difference is the first letter, “skin” is “OR” w

     It is possible, and probable that Adam and Eve were created with a covering of “light” When Moses came down from Mt. Sinai after being with God for 40 days, he was “glowing” with light, the Shekinah light, and Moses was a sinner, imagine Adam and Eve who were sinless, their light covering would have been permanent had they not sinned (and would still be alive today).  When they disobeyed and ate the forbidden fruit, the light covering must have vanished, THEN…they saw that they were NAKED, without the light, which served, one could say as, “a skin of light over the skin of flesh” 

     The sin of eating the forbidden fruit shows the following; the LUST OF THE FLESH, THE LUST OF THE EYES, AND THE PRIDE OF LIFE.  Eve was hungry, she “saw” that it looked really delicious, and, she, “thought” it would make her “wise” as the serpent lied to her saying the same.  Sin today is the same, it is a mix of all three things, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life

     “And YHVH Elohim made coats of skins for the man and for the woman and dressed them” (3:21) This is the very first blood sacrifice in the Bible. YHVH had to sacrifice one or two innocent animals, perhaps two lambs or goats, to “cover” Adam and Eve.  This is a reminder of Yom Kippur, where the blood of animals covered the sins of Israel for one year.  This would be a reminder to Adam and Eve of their sin.  Their sin caused an innocent, blameless animal to lose its life. 

     The Word of God does not say, but we can imagine that YHVH told Adam and Eve that they would have to sacrifice a lamb, or a goat, or another kosher animal every day, to remind them of their sin.  We look towards the cross of Calvary and we see YESHUA the LAMB of God who offered himself up as a blood sacrifice for our sins, once and forever, not just to cover, but to erase. 

     In chapter 4 we see the birth of Kayin and Hevel (Cain and Abel) They were born with the sin nature, and we see in both boys, the direction of the world that would follow; some would choose holiness and all that is good and others would choose the unholy and all that is evil.  There came a time when they both had to offer sacrifices (that is why I said that Adam and Eve must have taught them to do the same).  Hebel chose to obey and Kayin chose to disobey.  Kayin offered a sacrifice, but it was not a blood sacrifice, rather it was a “grain offering” nothing wrong with a grain offering, but a blood sacrifice was needed.  Therefore, it was rejected. 

     Hebel however, offered the correct sacrifice, a blood sacrifice, and it was accepted.  This caused anger and jealousy in Kayin and we know the story, Kayin rose up and murdered his brother Hebel.  Yet YHVH Elohim still offers him an opportunity to repent and confess his sin, but Kayin does not. Then YHVH Elohim says; 

     “The voice of your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground” (4:10) the Hebrew word is “damei” or “bloods” it is written in the plural.  But why is this?  This is eluded to the idea (which is written in the Talmud) that “he who saves the life of one person is as if he has saved a whole nation, and he who takes a life of another, is as if he has murdered a whole nation.”  It is as if the souls of all the “would have been” descendants of Hebel were crying out for vengeance because they would not be permitted to be born.  “the voice of thy brother’s bloods cries out…” the many “bloods” cry out in “one voice” so it seems. 

     Hebel is slain, his blood is sacrificed, and Kayin goes away, runs away to the land of wandering (Nod) and becomes a vagabond, just wandering, living off the fruit of trees and whatever grows of its self, since now, his farming days are over, YHVH curses the land he farmed as punishment. 

     We can see here again a shadow of Yom Kippur.  In Yom Kippur, two goats were selected, one was sacrificed and the other was “sent away” Here, Innocent and righteous Hebel is sacrificed, and Kayin “goes away” yet this “going away” is in the negative light, he “goes away” from the presence of Adonai, while Hebel goes “into the presence of Adonai”

     There is a saying that goes like this; “you can mix good apples with bad apples, and the good apples will never correct the bad, rather the bad-rotten apples will corrupt the good ones.  Well, that is the way the “world turned” way back then, as the years pass, the descendants of Kayin mixed with the descendants of Seth, (who was born after the death of Hebel.

     “and it came to be that when men began to increase on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of Elohim saw the daughters of men that they were fair, and they wives for themselves of all whom they chose.  And YHVH said ‘My Ruach will not strive with mankind forever in his going astray. He is flesh, and his days shall be 120.  The Nephilim (in some translations, the giants) were on the earth in those days and when the sons of Elohim came into the daughters of men, they bore children to them.  Those were the mighty men of old, men of name (fame).  6:1-4 

     There are two schools of thought when the issue of “B’nei Elohim” comes up.  Some believe that it refers to the godly line of Seth mixing with the ungodly line of Kayin.  The other school of thought which is more probable is that the “sons of God” refer to the fallen angels that were kicked out of heaven together with HaSatan.  These “b’nei Elohim” somehow and someway transformed themselves into flesh and blood, and the offspring of those “demon-human” relationships were born “giants”.  The word “Nephilim” means “fallen ones”.  It does not mean “giants” …however…those “mighty men of old” many were “giants” we have examples; Goliath of Gath, Og, king of Bashan. 

     There is archeological and paleontological evidence of a race of giants in the pre-diluvian world.  Many fossil skeletons have been found some 20 and 30 feet tall.  The Indians of the South-West claim that there was a race of red-haired giants who were cannibals, they could run after a herd of buffalo, catch one and bite off a leg and eat it on the run. 

     These giants were destroyed during the flood, however, their DNA still survived.  “His days shall be 120”

What is it saying here? YHVH has decided to destroy and cleanse the earth by a universal flood, and Noah and his family were found to be the only righteous people around.  Noah will receive instructions to build an ark, and it will take him 120 years, so, the people will have 120 years to repent, which they did not.       This was a very short time being that thousands of years ago, people lived 800 or 900 years.  120 years would be like a week in our times.  Noah was a “Tzadik” a “righteous person”.  He went “against the flow”.  Imagine a school of fish going in one direction, and you are going in the opposite direction. 

     How about you? If the world is going down the tubes, headed for destruction, will you follow the world? Or will you remain with Yeshua and go HIS way? The choice is yours.  The only way we can be a true “Tzadik Ben Elohim” (a righteous child of God) is through faith in Yeshua HaMashiach/ Jesus the Christ, through faith in HIM trusting in HIS one-time atonement for sin.


ISAIAH 42:5-43:10


     The prophet speaks through the Spirit of YHVH saying: “I, YHVH, have called you in righteousness, and I take hold of your hand and guard you, and give you for a Brit (covenant) to a people, for a Light to the Gentiles, to open blind eyes, to bring out prisoners from the prison, those who sit in darkness from the prison house” 42:6,7

     Some say that this is referring to the prophet himself? Really? Was Yeshayahu called to be a “covenant?” to open blind eyes? To set the prisoners free?  Yet re-arrange the letters in the name “Yeshayahu” and we get Y-E-S-H-U-A-H! it was HE who the prophet was talking about.  His name means “Salvation” and He came as a ‘blood-covenant” that would not simply cover for a year, but to get rid of, wipe out, the sin we inherited.  He came not only to his own Jewish people but also for the peoples of the nations outside of Israel. 

     He not only opened the eyes of the physically blind but also for those who were spiritually blind.  Once we did not understand the Bible, or we could have cared less for the Bible, but since we have accepted Yeshua as Messiah and LORD, now we have the Holy Spirit to help us understand the Torah.  Once we lived in spiritual darkness, in the prison of HaSatan, called the “lost world” but we have been freed to follow HIM who set us free.

     “And I shall lead the blind by a way they have not known, in paths they have not known.  I lead them.  I make darkness light before them, and crooked places straight” (42:16)
     The new paths are the Torah paths, David wrote; “thy Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path”

By allowing God’s Word to take root in our lives, our paths are made straight, we know now how to tell the difference between the Holy and unholy, between the clean and the unclean.  The WORD which is taught to us through the Ruach HaKodesh, using God’s chosen teachers is His gift to us, as born-again believers, it is our duty to stay on the right path.

     There are “blind people” who have eyes, yet do not see, they may see physically, but they do not see spiritually, God’s Word can change all that (43:8)


MATT 1:1-2:23; JOHN 1:1


     We read the ancestry of Messiah Yeshua, his birth during one of the evenings of Sukkot, and his escape with his parents to Egypt when Herod sought to kill him.  Later, YHVH “brought up HIS SON out of Egypt” Adonai saw his children go into Egypt through Jacob, and they also came out of Egypt through Moshe, Adonai led HIS SON down to Egypt with Miriam and Yosef, and Yosef and Miriam led him BACK to Israel.

    Now, Yeshua, HIS Son leads us ALL out of the Egypt of this world through a relationship with HIM,  In John 1:1 it says;  “In the beginning was the word, and the word was with YHVH, and YHVH was the WORD”  In this we see that Yeshua took part in the creation of this world, as “The WORD” this is the essence of the name “Elohim” the plural G-d who is “Three” yet “One” like;  1 x 1 x 1 = 1.

     Another aspect to point out are the words; “Bethlehem and Judea” Yeshua was born in “Beit Lechem Y’hudah” (Bethlehem in Judea) In the Hebrew we can understand; “Yeshua, who is “Salvation” who is the Bread of Life, was born in the House of Bread of YHVH!  It was sensible for G-d to come to earth in human form in the House of Bread, if He is going to have the title “Bread of Life”

     We can look at this prophecy; “And you Beit Lechem, In the land of Y’hudah, are by no means the least among the rulers of Y’hudah, for from you will come a Ruler who will shepherd my people Israel.” No wonder King Herod was terrified.  He misinterpreted this prophecy, thinking that his kingship would be replaced by Yeshua.  Yeshua DID become a “Shepherd” who “guided human sheep” at least those “sheep” that chose to follow HIM!  As for being a king.  This “kingship” would be in the “World to Come” as explained to Pontius Pilate.

     Yeshua came to this world to shepherd the lost human sheep to the “Living Waters” of “Yeshuah” (salvation), to heal the sick, to teach the Torah, and to die for our sins.  The king’s crown…well…that would have to wait…until the next coming, which might be just around the corner.
 

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Wow and wow. I was reading this and was just getting blasted in the Spirit, and I didn’t even know what points it was  after a few sentences , it was just wave after wave of him. You opened up so many doors at once .

The Glory of God is so much around you.  I will have to re read this again and again. Taste and see that the Lord is Good.

Thank you so much Rabbi . So good

Numbers 6:24-26
New King James Version
24 “The Lord bless you and keep you;
25 The Lord make His face shine upon you,
And be gracious to you;
26 The Lord [a]lift up His countenance upon you,
And give you peace.” ’

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« Reply #2 on: Sun Oct 11, 2020 - 20:04:38 »
I am so warm and cuddly right now. Lol .luv it . Full of joy

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« Reply #3 on: Sun Oct 11, 2020 - 20:25:37 »
I believe this for you . A fresh season is upon you

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He has sent Me [a]to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;

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« Reply #4 on: Sun Oct 11, 2020 - 20:43:10 »
O I see you now in the spirit ..surrounded by sheep

You are a Shepard

You love the children of God
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« Reply #5 on: Sat Oct 17, 2020 - 02:34:11 »
The word says taste and see that the lord is good.

Paul judged in the spirit the church. He knew them before he came to them . That’s why he could deliver the word . He got it in the spirit realm first.

O my gosh ....the realm of the spirit around you is so good.

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« Reply #6 on: Sun Oct 18, 2020 - 12:42:39 »
Jacob, There is lots to be said about your post. I'll just start with a few things and maybe get the ball rolling on this topic.

First, I would say that Adam and Eve were humans, no different than any other human who has the capacity to do good or not. That they were made in God's image, means that they were "like God in spirit", doing what was right according to God. And at some point, they went astray.

Secondly, I don't see any "blood sacrifice" being made as you mention. God simply gave them "new clothes", "new skin", "new bodies", etc. meaning they put away the old man, being renewed again in God. There are many verses in the Bible that speak of this very thing. When God dresses the people of Israel in " fine linen, silk, gold and silver", this represents the fact that they were prosperous. Being dressed in fur is no different. Fur at that time may have been very expensive. Even in modern times, mink coats, real leather, fox furs, etc.etc. are luxury items.

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« Reply #7 on: Sun Oct 18, 2020 - 15:43:59 »
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Sir, I just read most of your post and then just glanced over the rest, to remind myself why I do not waste my time reading behind a Jewish Rabbi~it is like eating an extremely dry steak that I would not even give to my dogs. 

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« Reply #8 on: Sun Oct 18, 2020 - 16:19:10 »
Sir, I just read most of your post and then just glanced over the rest, to remind myself why I do not waste my time reading behind a Jewish Rabbi~it is like eating an extremely dry steak that I would not even give to my dogs.

I was thinking what a terrible thing to say, then remembered .... 'you' have no need to learn what others believe or what their thoughts are. ::pondering::

Oh to be a fly when your time comes for you to  explain yourself to our Father.

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« Reply #9 on: Sun Oct 18, 2020 - 16:31:21 »
Sir, I just read most of your post and then just glanced over the rest, to remind myself why I do not waste my time reading behind a Jewish Rabbi~it is like eating an extremely dry steak that I would not even give to my dogs.
Honestly this applies to the majority of religious teachers.  ::lookaround::

I find that the quality of the pastor (or rabbi) is to be found in their actions, not their words.

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« Reply #10 on: Mon Oct 19, 2020 - 04:11:17 »
I was thinking what a terrible thing to say, then remembered .... 'you' have no need to learn what others believe or what their thoughts are. ::pondering::

Oh to be a fly when your time comes for you to  explain yourself to our Father.
Then pray to tell me what this scripture means to you:
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Job 30:1~“But now they that are younger than I have me in derision, whose fathers I would have disdained to have set with the dogs of my flock.”
You do not think I was not thinking of this scripture and others like it when I said the above? I do not speak without first considering what I'm saying and the reason why I doing to so, unlike others I have met. As far as being a fly......... there is no need to even wish that, for all things will be naked and open for all to see and hear, to their shame or praise.

Ben Avraham can speak for himself if he so desires to do so, but I do not expect him to do so, for with them it is not about TRUTH but about their precious geneology that they so trust in as though that within itself makes them worthy of our hearing, and them unworthy to hear what a Gentile dog may have to say about the word of God whom we love and trust in. We all came from Adam, and some were chosen from Adam's sinful race to be the children of God's whom he gave to Jesus Christ to redeem and to make them ONE WITH HIM as heirs of all things in the world to come. This is the TRUE ISRAEL OF GOD who is indeed the true Jerusalem~ God's eternal dwelling place world without end. The Jerusalem that now is are IN BONDAGE with her children and will always remain so unless some of them are part of God's promises and oath to redeem~that is known only to Him, not to us~for salvation from sin and condemnation is NOT of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man nor of BLOOD line, but of God will alone.  John 1:13.
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« Reply #11 on: Mon Oct 19, 2020 - 04:26:27 »
I find that the quality of the pastor (or rabbi) is to be found in their actions, not their words.
But, that is subjected not concrete, for men can hide behind a robe, etc, yet our words we teach have an impact greatly on if the Spirit of God is within us or not, or at least is using us or not as a source of help for His sheep.
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I would say BOTH actions and the words we speak are essential in helping to feed God's sheep~goats cares little about what they accept as food~the greener the pasture the better sheep love it.  I have watched sheep and goats and been around them~Goats prefer leaves, twigs, vines, and shrubs, with favorites being blackberries and poison ivy. Goats are known as browsers, looking for specific things to eat, even a few beer cans they enjoy to gnaw on. Sheep, on the other hand, are grazers who prefer grass and clover.
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« Reply #12 on: Mon Oct 19, 2020 - 05:03:52 »
     The very first line in Genesis, the very first line in the Torah has so much meaning; “B’reisheet bara Elohim ET haShamayim v’et haAretz”(the first 7 words)  (In the beginning, Elohim created the heavens and the earth).  One thing to point out, in many English Bibles, the word “heaven” is singular and should be “heavens” (plural), because in Hebrew, “HaShamayim” is “heavens”.


Another thing that our rabbi points out every year is the mistranslation by adding "the" to "In the beginning ..." There is no "ha-" (the) in "B'reshit bara ..."

It should read "In beginning, God created ...."

BTW, I had the drash for Parashah B'reshit this past Saturday.  I will post the text in the Messianic forum.

Link to the drash:
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/messianic-judaism-forum/drash-oct-17-2020-(i)bereshit-(i)/new/#new
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« Reply #13 on: Mon Oct 19, 2020 - 12:54:25 »
Sir, I just read most of your post and then just glanced over the rest, to remind myself why I do not waste my time reading behind a Jewish Rabbi~it is like eating an extremely dry steak that I would not even give to my dogs.

RB, it might be best to meditate on these words:

"Your own soul is nourished when you are kind, but you destroy yourself when you are cruel."
"Whoever derides their neighbor has no sense, but the one who has understanding holds their tongue."
"But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgement for every careless word they have spoken."
"A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger."

Your tongue offends you. And as it is written, "If your hand offends you, cut it off." The same applies to the tongue.

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« Reply #14 on: Mon Oct 19, 2020 - 14:27:05 »
Jacob, you mention that nowhere does it say that Adam and Eve ate an apple. This is true, which goes to show how stories change in the course of retelling. The moral of the story is what's important.

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« Reply #15 on: Mon Oct 19, 2020 - 15:15:23 »
Then pray to tell me what this scripture means to you: You do not think I was not thinking of this scripture and others like it when I said the above? I do not speak without first considering what I'm saying and the reason why I doing to so, unlike others I have met. As far as being a fly......... there is no need to even wish that, for all things will be naked and open for all to see and hear, to their shame or praise.

Ben Avraham can speak for himself if he so desires to do so, but I do not expect him to do so, for with them it is not about TRUTH but about their precious geneology that they so trust in as though that within itself makes them worthy of our hearing, and them unworthy to hear what a Gentile dog may have to say about the word of God whom we love and trust in. We all came from Adam, and some were chosen from Adam's sinful race to be the children of God's whom he gave to Jesus Christ to redeem and to make them ONE WITH HIM as heirs of all things in the world to come. This is the TRUE ISRAEL OF GOD who is indeed the true Jerusalem~ God's eternal dwelling place world without end. The Jerusalem that now is are IN BONDAGE with her children and will always remain so unless some of them are part of God's promises and oath to redeem~that is known only to Him, not to us~for salvation from sin and condemnation is NOT of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man nor of BLOOD line, but of God will alone.  John 1:13.

You know Red,

It is not just he, but others you go after the jugular with unfounded accusations.

" I do not speak without first considering what I'm saying and the reason why I doing to so, unlike others I have met."

Neither do I.... yet you always indicate I am wrong. So, you are of the opinion that God only speaks and enlightens you ole southern gents and the rest of the world he dismisses.  YES>>> that is exactly the way you sound to many on here.

You may not speak without considering what you will say but your reasons are faulty at best

Especially what you said to and about  Jacob Ben Avraham  and then  chose to quote from Job? What a hypocrite.


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« Reply #16 on: Mon Oct 19, 2020 - 20:27:09 »
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5 God’s ways are as mysterious as the pathway of the wind and as the manner in which a human spirit is infused into the little body of a baby while it is yet in its mother’s womb.

I don’t understand the ways of God . He does what he does, and I am learning to understand there are things I will never understand.

I know his presence in the power he has showed himself to me,  but I don’t know why he comes sometimes , or when he comes , and nor for what reason. How long even will he stay. I’m talking about the kingdom that comes upon.

But I am starting to understand . When he comes,  it’s for a reason. I don’t understand the reason. He is doing a work above my pay grade.

I do know this . When he appears Around someone , I will lift that person high. So I have done this.
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YES>>> that is exactly the way you sound to many on here.

You may not speak without considering what you will say but your reasons are faulty at best

Especially what you said to and about  Jacob Ben Avraham  and then  chose to quote from Job? What a hypocrite.

You sound like a democrat~they want to speak for others they have no clue on what they truly believe. The very thing you accuse me of are much like the haters of our President accuse him of~they speak without FACTS backing them. You have a right to your opinions, but you do not have a right to FACTS without proving them. I do not say you always wrong, just most of the time when it comes to dealing with SCRIPTURES, you know very little of truth at the moment. 
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So, you are of the opinion that God only speaks and enlightens you ole southern gents and the rest of the world he dismisses.
Southern men are MUCH LIKE southern women~they are hard to beat!

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YOU’RE SURE ENOUGH TUFF GIRL, I CAN’T GET ENOUGH OF SWEET CAROLINA GIRLS

I LOVE THE WAY YOU WALK (WALK THAT WALK) I LOVE THE WAY YOU TALK (TALK THAT TALK) YOU’RE SO FINE GIRL, YOU’RE ONE OF A KIND SWEET CAROLINA GIRLS

TEXAS GIRLS ARE SEXY AND OKLAHOMA  GIRLS ARE TOO
BUT CAROLINA GIRLS GOT GOOD LOOKS AND SWEET PERSONALITY TOO

CAROLINA GIRLS (CAROLINA GIRLS) SWEET SOUTHERN PEARLS
YOU’RE SO FINE GIRL, YOU’RE ONE OF A KIND SWEET CAROLINA GIRLS

YOU MAKE ME SAY WOOO (CAROLINA…..NOTHING FINER) WITH THE THINGS YOU DO
(CAROLINA…..NOTHING FINER) SWEETER THAN CANDY HOTTER THAN HEAT MORE PRECIOUS THAN DIAMONDS GIRL YOU CAN’T BE BEAT

SAX SOLO

TEXAS GIRLS ARE SEXY AND OKLAHOMA GIRLS ARE TOO
BUT CAROLINA GIRLS GOT GOOD LOOKS AND SWEET PERSONALITY TOO

CAROLINA GIRLS (CAROLINA GIRLS) SWEET SOUTHERN PEARLS
YOU’RE SURE ENOUGH TUFF GIRL, I CAN’T GET ENOUGH OF SWEET CAROLINA GIRLS

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« Reply #18 on: Tue Oct 20, 2020 - 04:10:35 »
RB, it might be best to meditate on these words:

"Your own soul is nourished when you are kind, but you destroy yourself when you are cruel."
"Whoever derides their neighbor has no sense, but the one who has understanding holds their tongue."
"But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgement for every careless word they have spoken."
"A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger."

Your tongue offends you. And as it is written, "If your hand offends you, cut it off." The same applies to the tongue.


So, when we know something to be true, you are saying to keep our mouth shut so as not to offend people's teaching? Examples from the scriptures would never convince men and women like you otherwise, so I forbear. 

Bel, much of what you teach offends God, so what advice should I give you? You said:
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Secondly, I don't see any "blood sacrifice" being made as you mention. God simply gave them "new clothes", "new skin", "new bodies", etc. meaning they put away the old man, being renewed again in God.
You without any fear disagree with plain scriptures~Suppose whose judgment will be greater? Mine for speaking something that is true, against another man; or, you contradicting God's testimony?  Let me remind you just in case you forgot~
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2nd Peter 3:16~"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
 
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« Reply #19 on: Tue Oct 20, 2020 - 05:59:23 »
What a hypocrite.
I see this everyday from the corrupt News media~if one does not have FACTS, TRUTH, then their only recourse is to go after the person who DOES with such words. Being called a hypocrite is much less than being accused of being demon possess as they accused Christ~so, no big deal being labeled a hypocrite.

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« Reply #20 on: Tue Oct 20, 2020 - 19:21:28 »
You sound like a democrat~they want to speak for others they have no clue on what they truly believe.

I am not speaking for you, I am speaking to you, and if others happen to pass by and read that is on them to draw their own conclusions

 The very thing you accuse me of are much like the haters of our President accuse him of~they speak without FACTS backing them.

The facts I am using are your very own words.

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Then pray to tell me what this scripture means to you:

I will not enter into any theological discussion with you because  you will tell me I am wrong and you are always right. Isn't that so? ::tippinghat::


Ben Avraham can speak for himself if he so desires to do so, but I do not expect him to do so, for with them it is not about TRUTH but about their precious geneology that they so trust in as though that within itself makes them worthy of our hearing, and them unworthy to hear what a Gentile dog may have to say about the word of God whom we love and trust in.

Genealogy was important to God.

That is proven in Acts13, among others. I will not quote OT to you as you find it so distasteful. (except for your own uses)

22 And when He had removed him, He raised up for them David as king, to whom also He gave testimony and said, ‘I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after My own heart, who will do all My will.’ 23 From this man’s seed, according to the promise, God raised up for Israel a Savior—Jesus—

Family ancestry and pedigrees   were a deeply integral part of Jewish society at the time of Jesus. You who claim to read and understand with Godly wisdom the written inspired word should understand that even in your preferred translation that King Jimmy commissioned.

 Land was inherited based on family lines, and those who could not prove their ancestry in Israel were considered outsiders. Can you possibly argue against that fact?

Now I will be the first to admit that the begats that were painstakingly written were equally painful to read. For myself I had to go back and reread and then if a test had been performed I would have gotten an F.

Have you carefully read the begats?Have you carefully read 1 Chronicles1?

Do YOU not realize that God had a reason for these to be recorded? He has a reason for recording every jot and tittle that you read. Genealogy being a main reason.

Imagine accurately tracing your ancestry back 4,000 years. (You could if you took your time. I did, at least one leg back not 4000 years but into BC times. )


The biblical lineage of Jesus does just that. His genealogy is recorded all the way back to  Adam....  And this is  a crucial fulfillment of prophecy.

Adam’s sin brought judgment and death into the world. Do you disagree?

 But a Savior was promised... the Seed of the woman who would strike the head of the serpent (Genesis 3:15).

As we are told in 1 Cor 15:45, Jesus Christ is the “Last Adam”
He is the promised Seed of the woman.........  Do you disagree with this?



We all came from Adam, and some were chosen from Adam's sinful race to be the children of God's whom he gave to Jesus Christ to redeem and to make them ONE WITH HIM as heirs of all things in the world to come.

It is your belief that some people were chosen to be the children of God, through Christ's shed blood. Is that correct?

DO NOT GO INTO A LONG DISERTATION OF EXPLANATION. A SIMPLE YES OR NO WILL SUFFICE.

 This is the TRUE ISRAEL OF GOD who is indeed the true Jerusalem~ God's eternal dwelling place world without end. The Jerusalem that now is are IN BONDAGE with her children and will always remain so unless some of them are part of God's promises and oath to redeem~that is known only to Him, not to us~for salvation from sin and condemnation is NOT of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man nor of BLOOD line, but of God will alone.  John 1:13.

You do seem to confirm my question above. That God picks out who will be the lucky choice and the rest of us are doomed. You do not believe that any man ( I shall leave women out of the mix) can come into the knowledge of what Jesus has done for us and desire to learn, grow, and become a child of God ?
You do not believe in the faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God?That anyone who develops that "drive "for Jesus is only because he was hand selected, for whatever reason by God alone. Freewill had nothing to do with it?That the Messianic Jews were all hand selected by God?Is that correct?
::shrug::

I agree that it is only for Him to know who is in the category of salvation from condemnation, but a lottery system just seems so off the mark.

I do not agree " so unless some of them are part of God's promises and oath to redeem~that is known only to Him. This has a very negative connotation and you know it.


You have a right to your opinions, but you do not have a right to FACTS without proving them.

I will not waste my time proving anything to you because I always do and you ALWAYS tell me I am wrong.

And your constant harping against someone who is not in lock step with you is just not right.


 I do not say you always wrong, just most of the time when it comes to dealing with SCRIPTURES, you know very little of truth at the moment.

If I don't, neither do you.

 
Southern men are MUCH LIKE southern women~they are hard to beat!


And they are very hot to trot.  Ya want details? Not a pretty story. I have known ( not biblically) 3 men hailing from well below the Mason Dixon line. They would not be considered gentlemen by any stretch of the word.

To quote Blanche Elizabeth Devereaux (née Hollingsworth) "It must be the heat"
and I will leave it at that.









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Bel, much of what you teach offends God, so what advice should I give you? You said: You without any fear disagree with plain scriptures~Suppose whose judgment will be greater? Mine for speaking something that is true, against another man; or, you contradicting God's testimony?  Let me remind you just in case you forgot~

"To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me? I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs or of goats."
" But this is the one  to whom I look; on him who is poor and of a contrite spirit.
"He who kills a bull is as if he slays a man. He who sacrifices a lamb, as if a breaks a dogs neck......Just as they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delight in their abominations, so will I choose their delusions and bring their fears upon them ...... but they did evil before My eyes and chose that in which I do not delight."

Romans: And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind to do those things which are not fitting." Among such things- proud, boasters, unloving, maliciousness( rudeness, unkind, belligerent etc.etc.)

"But we know that the judgement of God is according to truth against those who practice such things."


God delights in those who practice the Golden Rule. However, you seem to delight in trash talk and throwing rude insults at others. So, I'll take my chances. As I mentioned before, you may want to meditate on the verses I suggested.




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« Reply #22 on: Wed Oct 21, 2020 - 00:56:44 »
Another thing that our rabbi points out every year is the mistranslation by adding "the" to "In the beginning ..." There is no "ha-" (the) in "B'reshit bara ..."

It should read "In beginning, God created ...."
I prefer "at first." ::smile::

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« Reply #23 on: Wed Oct 21, 2020 - 03:46:36 »
"To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me? I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs or of goats."
" But this is the one  to whom I look; on him who is poor and of a contrite spirit.
"He who kills a bull is as if he slays a man. He who sacrifices a lamb, as if a breaks a dogs neck......Just as they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delight in their abominations, so will I choose their delusions and bring their fears upon them ...... but they did evil before My eyes and chose that in which I do not delight."
AGAIN, as I have said to you before, you do not give the proper sense to scriptures you quote, you just reach into your memory bank and yank scriptures out of their context, believing you have done God a service by doing so~all you have done is continue to DARKEN SCRIPTURES to anyone seeking the truth. You may and most likely will convince folks, but will never deceive a diligent student of the word of God.
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However, you seem to delight in trash talk talk and throwing rude insults at others
I do not stoop so low as to task talk~that's a false witness, coming from a man who thinks that the works of the law are needed to be done by them before one can have the assurance that they will inherit eternal life.  As far as rude insults~I would suggest that you need to take a closer look at Jesus' words and his apostles~for I DO NOT go any farther than they did, and maybe not as far since my knowledge of false prophets are limited in comparison to their's..... much more so. I might sin in giving them MORE encouragement than condemnation. John the Baptist and Jesus called them snakes, not a single snake but from a GENERATION of them! Jesus and Paul called them called false prophets, DOGS, and false believers.... SWINES, just to name a few!
Quote from: JESUS CHRIST
Matthew 7:6~"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."
Is that rude preaching? Is that what you are accusing me of? You folks are used to "milk toast preachers" who tell you how wonderful you are while at the same time you reject the words of the Living God~do not expect me to do the same, for I will not.
Quote from: Paul
Philippians 3:1,2~"Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe. Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
Was Paul a rude preacher? Calling a person a dog is one of the lower things you can call a person~sodomites in the scriptures are called DOGS and for GOOD REASONS~the analogy fits perfectly! And I'll leave it there! Enough said.

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« Reply #24 on: Wed Oct 21, 2020 - 04:19:41 »
I am not speaking for you, I am speaking to you, and if others happen to pass by and read that is on them to draw their own conclusions
I was not referring WHOM you were speaking to so much, but how you misrepresent a person's character and go after the person and not so much as to what they truly stand for and going after that with TRUTH AND FACTS.
Quote from: Rella on: Yesterday at 19:21:28
The facts I am using are your very own words.
Rella, I believe you are out of your league and are struggling to prove what you wish you could prove. TRUTH AND FACTS are something you SHOULD PROVIDE to discredit where YOU BELIEVE I'm missing the mark. I quoted from the words of Job, now, do you believe that I was wrong in my application of using Job's words In my defense of what I said? This is your work to provide TRUTH and FACTS to even consider if I was wrong or not. So far, all you have done is shown your dislike for what I said, nothing more.
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I will not enter into any theological discussion with you because  you will tell me I am wrong and you are always right. Isn't that so?
Probably a wise thing for you not to enter base on what I have read from your many posts. Do not get upset at me because you very seldom produce a sound theological discussion, that's your problem and something you must work on and I HAVE seen a few women that were very good in producing sound theological discussions, one in a thousand maybe.
Quote from: THE WISE MAN
Ecclesiastes 7:25-28~"I applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason of things, and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness and madness: And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her. Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account: Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found."
I KNOW you would reject my words so I gave to you Solomon's words who wrote under the inspiration of God.
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Southern men are MUCH LIKE southern women~they are hard to beat!
I was speaking of their gentleman like spirit, and fear of God, much more so in southern men than above the Mason Dixie line. FACTS do not lie!

I'm finished talking to you, it is not worth it and there's NO spiritual good that can come from it. I do not dislike you as you do me, but I will never give in to your spirit that refuses to live by every word of God. Living by every word of God is to ACCEPT all that God said whether or not it sounds good to our fleshly nature and agrees with what we think God is and what he should do if we were in GOD's place.

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« Reply #25 on: Wed Oct 21, 2020 - 13:45:40 »
You ended your reply to me with.. " I'm finished talking to you, it is not worth it and there's NO spiritual good that can come from it."

 I, also had promised to all readers I would not reply to you again, in the last exchange we had.

Here is a simple solution. I will block you and you should block me.that way neither of us can be tempted to reply what we ought not.

Read it or not. But if you reply I will never see it.

This is my final answer!


I was not referring WHOM you were speaking to so much, but how you misrepresent a person's character and go after the person and not so much as to what they truly stand for and going after that with TRUTH AND FACTS.

Why does it bother you so much as to how a person or specific religious group arrives at their love for and solid faith in Jesus?

Do you truly think that bothers God? I do not simply because God has given us the freedom to worship Him by our choice, so long as it is in truth within their faith.

Within the US there are 200 Christian Denominations. Are they all wrong? Certainly not and I do not think you believe that because you accept many of those who disagree with you.

But then there are those that you seem to want to cut down to size.
And it is a cutting down to size with comments like

"with them it is not about TRUTH but about their precious geneology that they so trust in as though that within itself makes them worthy of our hearing, and them unworthy to hear what a Gentile dog may have to say about the word of God whom we love and trust in."

Why can you not understand that they were given a different road to follow and far earlier then any "Christian.. mainstream or cult... was ever thought of. Had it not been for our being grafted in...you would not have a foot to standon.

Paul said it well. A Parable that has clear understanding... but then I am not discussing any theology with you. Romans 11: 11-24

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

but in no way are we better then they. We have different paths to our eternal
rewards.



 Rella, I believe you are out of your league and are struggling to prove what you wish you could prove.

Surprise. This was not intended to be about any theological discussion at all. It was a comment on the way certain people are talked about.

I know when I see someone talking like they are an R & B ( not rhythm and blues~ and not Red Baker) and you often come across that way.

And no. I am not calling names. Just observing



Ben Avraham can speak for himself if he so desires to do so, but I do not expect him to do so, for with them it is not about TRUTH but about their precious geneology that they so trust in as though that within itself makes them worthy of our hearing, and them unworthy to hear what a Gentile dog may have to say about the word of God whom we love and trust in.

That was you. There is nothing wrong with what he shares with us.As I showed. Genealogy was important to God. A specific lineage down to Jesus.

 TRUTH AND FACTS are something you SHOULD PROVIDE to discredit where YOU BELIEVE I'm missing the mark.
 I quoted from the words of Job, now, do you believe that I was wrong in my application of using Job's words In my defense of what I said? This is your work to provide TRUTH and FACTS to even consider if I was wrong or not. So far, all you have done is shown your dislike for what I said, nothing more.

What is wrong with that?  If I dislike something you or any other say, I should keep quite when it is obvious that it was said in a cutting way?

  Probably a wise thing for you not to enter base on what I have read from your many posts. Do not get upset at me because you very seldom produce a sound theological discussion,

For which you also are incapable of entering into a debate without theology
as the main theme. Ergo your not understanding why I got upset with the way you phrase things.


 that's your problem and something you must work on and I HAVE seen a few women that were very good in producing sound theological discussions,
one in a thousand maybe.

Of course. 1 Cor 14.... and all that, which of course would apply to a religious forum, dont you think?

I KNOW you would reject my words so I gave to you Solomon's words who wrote under the inspiration of God. I was speaking of their gentleman like spirit, and fear of God, much more so in southern men than above the Mason Dixie line. FACTS do not lie!

I'm finished talking to you, it is not worth it and there's NO spiritual good that can come from it.
 I do not dislike you as you do me,

As am I to you. When I hit send on this I will go block you.

 I do not dislike you, but I do tend enter into a fray when I hear and read things that someone says to another that is accusatory and insulting. YOU do that a lot, but you will not see it that way. You willsee it as a woman who had the guts to counter something a man said.



 but I will never give in to your spirit that refuses to live by every word of God.


"your spirit that refuses to live by every word of God"....

and
Living by every word of God is to ACCEPT all that God said

You have already called into question my salvation, or lack there of. You are the #10 under my name. So why should I live by every word of God, especially when you and I disagree on what the meaning of is is?
And you have more then once suggested I do not.


And it is not just me. Why do you counter so many men on here with the insistence they are wrong and you are right. I well remember a few years back when you wanted to take me under your tutelage... that was back in the heated baptism debate time period... and when I did not fall lock step in your teachings but leaned closer to the others, but not lock step you have jumped all over me at any chance you could.

I frankly do not care. It was a very wise man ,from here, that counselled me about letting things get to me so badly I would bow out of GC for a time. But I do care when you do start with the insults, to others. You are not trying to educate your brothers with a brotherly grace.  You want to dictate . So you are right ... We need to be done...

I should have done that several months ago when you made my count go to 10 ( under my name).


whether or not it sounds good to our fleshly nature and agrees with what we think God is and what he should do if we were in GOD's place



May God bless you.

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« Reply #26 on: Wed Oct 21, 2020 - 14:49:48 »
You ended your reply to me with.. " I'm finished talking to you, it is not worth it and there's NO spiritual good that can come from it."
I meant on THIS subject.

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« Reply #27 on: Wed Oct 21, 2020 - 20:51:06 »
RB, you said:" I will never give in to your spirit that refuses to live by every word of God."

There is only one word of God that we should live by, and that is "Do unto others as you would have them do to you." "All the law is fulfilled even in this."
However, instead of obeying the Law of reciprocity, the Pharisees and Sadducees of Jesus' day would rather believe that their theology would save them. And as we know, it did not. Because of the Law of reciprocity, they reaped what they sowed.
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« Reply #28 on: Wed Oct 21, 2020 - 22:27:29 »
Rella, you mention in your post the importance of genealogy. If you believe, as many do, that we all came from Adam and Eve, then all of mankind would trace back to them eventually. In other words, all mankind would be the "seed" of  the woman Eve. But, Scripture says that "Eve is the mother of all those who live." From what I understand, the "seed" is the word of God( the Golden Rule) which was what Jesus was teaching. It is the word of the Spirit that gives life to all who obey. This word came from Adam and Eve who handed them down to their children.
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« Reply #29 on: Thu Oct 22, 2020 - 00:28:36 »
I prefer "at first." ::smile::
WS your mind is like Star Trek to me. Could you please explain what you said. I can’t get my head around it.

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« Reply #30 on: Thu Oct 22, 2020 - 00:30:18 »
In the beginning Cain killed able

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« Reply #31 on: Thu Oct 22, 2020 - 00:39:26 »
I was biking along a bike trail and I had claimed a few gate treks in the Lord. They was clean . I felt him . Until I passed though them today. A Spirit hit me from behind. You know that pressure from behind that hits the top of your spine.

I was praying Lord this and that .... praying ...then he reminded me of Saul. Why are you persecuting me.

The attacks that come , that hit us , are really aimed against him. Our Lord Jesus Christ.

When we fight against each other or demonic spirits . The war is the Lords . It’s his battle.

It’s against him.

As a dad I hated to see my children in pain. The one who hits us , hates the Lord . That’s the devil

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« Reply #32 on: Thu Oct 22, 2020 - 00:43:07 »
The forces against us brethren are really really strong .

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« Reply #33 on: Thu Oct 22, 2020 - 00:54:21 »
Jacob, you mention that Cain's sacrifice was not accepted because it wasn't a "blood sacrifice".  From what I understand, it had nothing to do with that. Cain's heart was the problem. It was not right with God. Any offering that comes from a loving heart, given willingly out of the abundance of what God has provided is accepted. As Jesus said, when you come to present your offering and remember that your brother has something against you, leave your offering at the door and first go and settle the matter with your brother. The ritual sacrifice of an animal was not necessary to remind people of their sins. The destruction of our own lives and the loss of loved ones is already a constant and profound reminder. Thank the good Lord for people of understanding who did away with this senseless killing of animal life.

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« Reply #34 on: Thu Oct 22, 2020 - 01:42:43 »
Yes bel our heart is the problem . The devil knows how to tug and pull