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Re: God's Power Unto Salvation
« Reply #105 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 06:50:58 »
That certainly isn't unique with Calvinism. I think that could be said about any widely held theological approach that you might encounter.
Quite true.  I was surprised to find that my own upbringing was kind of the wild west fringe of Arminianism. My earliest teachings from the Church of the Nazarene were pretty much mainstream Wesleyan theology but the independent pentecostalism I encountered after that was (looking back) pretty bizarre.

Pastor afraid to do communion because he thought people would drop dead on the spot? 
You could lose your salvation only seconds after confessing your sins because "you committed 20 sins you don't even know about" before leaving the church building?
Accidentally smelling alcohol = the sin of drunkenness?
Everybody in the OT now burning in hell?

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« Reply #106 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 06:54:15 »
Of course you would think that.  However, using the analogy of the navy seal, I think the better description would that a Calvinist and an Armenian is something like a Russian Special Force against a Navy seal.  They might both be highly trained and skilled but the Russian Special Force has the wrong fundamental background.
I Know my analogy was not close, but who deserves it better than he who thinks he's here to reformer others when he does not even believe as the Reformer did!  Yours was much better.

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Re: God's Power Unto Salvation
« Reply #107 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 07:11:41 »
 Salvation is not just the rescue, it is the day by day resurrection from death to live by being with him.  Give us today our daily bread. He is our power unto salvation. We need his power his saving grace day by day. If not the church is a valley of dry bones.

He speaks to the churches in revelation like this . Those who are saved

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Re: God's Power Unto Salvation
« Reply #108 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 07:16:57 »
If you think Gods power to save stops once you say “  I do “ ...you are wrong

He love his bride and his power to save us doesn't stop

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« Reply #108 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 07:16:57 »
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Re: God's Power Unto Salvation
« Reply #109 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 07:35:55 »
The Just Live by Faith

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel [a]of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”

It looks like it is the power of God to salvation for EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES. Who walk by faith.

Hence the Just walk by faith. Like we now understand the gospel , we get it , we receive his power and walk in it.  because I have this power that I didn’t have before. A unbeliever don’t see it, but A believer feels it. Him, his kingdom. Because I know him , I am not ashamed.

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Re: God's Power Unto Salvation
« Reply #110 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 07:46:45 »
What is the gospel of Christ?

To love your Lord God with all your heart soul strength and mind and love your neighbour as yourself

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Re: God's Power Unto Salvation
« Reply #111 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 08:07:42 »
What is the gospel of Christ?
To love your Lord God with all your heart soul strength and mind and love your neighbour as yourself
NOT the gospel, at least not according to Paul. 

1 Corinthians 15:1
Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,  4  and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,


THAT is the Gospel.

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Re: God's Power Unto Salvation
« Reply #112 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 08:15:00 »
What  did Christ preach?

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Re: God's Power Unto Salvation
« Reply #113 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 08:19:20 »
Did you miss the gospel message as a believer

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Re: God's Power Unto Salvation
« Reply #114 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 08:23:01 »
For everyone who believes

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Re: God's Power Unto Salvation
« Reply #115 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 08:25:26 »
Did you miss the gospel message as a believer
Did Paul? ? ?

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« Reply #116 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 08:28:06 »
The Parable of the Good Samaritan

25 And behold, a certain [h]lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?”

27 So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

28 And He said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.”

29 But he, wanting to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

30 Then Jesus answered and said: “A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, who stripped him of his clothing, wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. 31 Now by chance a certain priest came down that road. And when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. 32 Likewise a Levite, when he arrived at the place, came and looked, and passed by on the other side. 33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was. And when he saw him, he had compassion. 34 So he went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine; and he set him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him. 35 On the next day, [j]when he departed, he took out two denarii, gave them to the innkeeper, and said to him, ‘Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, when I come again, I will repay you.’ 36 So which of these three do you think was neighbor to him who fell among the thieves?”

37 And he said, “He who showed mercy on him.”

Then Jesus said to him, “Go and do likewise.”

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Re: God's Power Unto Salvation
« Reply #117 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 08:40:16 »
We have the gospel of salvation but also a gospel of the way we should be living. A life saved pleasing to God.

The NT talks to saved believers as a road map to how we should behave and experience the new life in him.

In him by experiencing him. Thus we behave different to each other

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« Reply #118 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 08:58:19 »
Justification, Sanctification, and Glorification

Way past my pay grade to explain it to you ....one day in Glory I will get it

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Re: God's Power Unto Salvation
« Reply #119 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 09:23:23 »
The Parable of the Good Samaritan

25 And behold, a certain [h]lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?”
27 So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
28 And He said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.”
29 But he, wanting to justify imself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”
30 Then Jesus answered and said: “A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, who stripped him of his clothing, wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. 31 Now by chance a certain priest came down that road. And when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. 32 Likewise a Levite, when he arrived at the place, came and looked, and passed by on the other side. 33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was. And when he saw him, he had compassion. 34 So he went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine; and he set him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him. 35 On the next day, [j]when he departed, he took out two denarii, gave them to the innkeeper, and said to him, ‘Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, when I come again, I will repay you.’ 36 So which of these three do you think was neighbor to him who fell among the thieves?”
37 And he said, “He who showed mercy on him.”
Then Jesus said to him, “Go and do likewise.”

From my friend Paul Clark:
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« Reply #120 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 14:10:47 »
Justification, Sanctification, and Glorification

Way past my pay grade to explain it to you ....one day in Glory I will get it
Yes, Mark you will. The Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. RB

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« Reply #121 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 14:24:03 »
However, they truly do need to drop the Calvinistic persuasion and place the totality of their allegiance in Jesus. The main thrusts of the Calvinistic belief system and Jesus’ precepts and principles are truly at odds.
To say you are full of beans would be an understatement with this statement of yours.

If you think you can prove "the Calvinistic belief system and Jesus’ precepts and principles are truly at odds"~then I challenge you to prove it in another thread or confess you do not know what you are talking about, for with such a statement like that I can assure others you have no clue of the teachings the faithful men and women of the 1500s-1700s hundred or else would have never made such a prideful and unlearned statement. 

Sorry johntwayne, I'll get back on the subject with my next post.

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Re: God's Power Unto Salvation
« Reply #122 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 20:13:50 »
RB:

    "Of course you can, yet you should take your thoughts and start a thread AGAINST CALVINISM~no problem from me, I would even welcome such a thread.

    "Reformer, you hate it when folks misrepresent you, yet you have no godly restraint in doing the same toward others as proven in this post."


    #1: I will bow to your suggestion and start a thread pertaining to Calvinism. Look for it soon.

    #2: What I said about Calvinists, and the way a large number of them handle opposition to their doctrinal stance, was solidly based on my experiences with them. Give me the freedom to experience my own personal experiences!

    You failed to call attention to the statement in my post, "There are exceptions." If you are one of those exceptions, bless you. If you are not one of those exceptions, you will truly need to evaluate and seriously consider what I will be submitting.

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« Reply #123 on: Wed Jul 21, 2021 - 04:44:01 »
  You failed to call attention to the statement in my post, "There are exceptions." If you are one of those exceptions, bless you. If you are not one of those exceptions.
I did not need to call attention to you saying it, since your post spoke as if MOST all~ and truly you left no room for any exceptions to be honest. I reject you even saying what you did for it was false information, from a person's perspective who rejects all the core beliefs of those who hold to the doctrines of grace over your system you have come to embrace most likely from the beginning of your profession based on what you have said.
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you will truly need to evaluate and seriously consider what I will be submitting
Well, I'll compare it to the scriptures and see what you have to say in light of God's testimony. I do not care very much about man's words, including what may arise in my own heart.