Been too busy to reply for a few days. You said the following RB.
Amo, my friend, The first resurrection is a spiritual resurrection that gives the elect power to overcome the beast (the spirit of the devil) even though beheaded for the witness of Jesus Christ they STILL REIGN, while on earth they refuse to worship the beast neither his image they refused fellowship with the beast~the scriptures calls this THE FIRST RESURRECTION it has nothing to with their BODIES being resurrected, it is speaking of gift of eternal life and the result of those who possessed this gift. Once one is spiritually resurrected, he follows the Lamb wheresoever he leads them, even if into death, for death is not their enemy anymore it simply ushers us into God's holy presence where THERE we will reign with the SPIRITS of JUST men who have been made perfect~all that is left is them receiving their glorified bodies that they WILL receive in the resurrection at the last day……………………
The assumption above concerning the first resurrection having nothing to do with our bodily resurrection is just that. The scriptures definitively teach and address our bodily resurrection, and also speak of a spiritual resurrection. You choose the latter to support your own views. However, scripture has a lot to say about these resurrections, which again, your perspective creates contradictions concerning. This coupled with ignoring exactly when the scriptures themselves and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, declare humanity will receive eternal life. We should not ignore the implications of contradictions within the scriptures, caused by what we have chosen to believe. This is the more exact problem with your views, they ignore conclusive scriptural testimony elsewhere, and create contradictions. Which unbelievers often capitalize upon in warring against the same. Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
The connection between eternal and being raised up at the last day is obvious for any who have familiarized themselves with what the scriptures teach regarding the same. Eternal life is received or given at the literal resurrection of the saved. Those who are saved are assured this eternal life, but most obviously they do not have it until then. We all know, as Christ testified, and the scriptures do as well, all the saved but those literally alive at the second coming will die. Therefore does our lord tie the two together in the above scriptures, and speak elsewhere as this truth is basically taken for granted. Luk 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. 37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. 38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
Those who will be resurrected and part of the new world, are resurrected from the dead of course, as scripture plainly states. Receiving eternal life at that time as Christ and the scriptures testify and teach elsewhere. Insistence that Christ teaches otherwise because He does not always refer to the resurrection while addressing and or assuring the saved that they shall not die, denies the obvious references to their very death by Him and the apostles many times. How can the saved be referred to both dying and never dying at the same time, save the first death not actually be considered death, since those who die it live again.
Thus the sleep of the dead referred to so many times in scripture. Those who sleep eventually wake up, the dead do not. Not by way of anything short of a miracle performed by God Himself. Who has promised that all the dead will arise again, some at that time unto eternal life, and some at that time unto damnation. This is not because they were not dead at the time of their resurrection as so many wrongly suggest, but on account of the miraculous resurrection of the dead by God. Those who create doctrines based upon only partial testimony of scripture on a particular subject, while ignoring or contradicting other scriptures regarding that same subject, create false doctrine. God’s word is true, and does not contradict itself.Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:[/u] 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
So very many false doctrines are built upon either applying spiritual application where none belongs, or literal applications where spiritual ones are intended. This is why it is important to consider all scripture concerning each topic under examination, and above all the guidance of the Holy Spirit of God in determining the truth of the matter. Determining that the death referred to in the above quoted scripture is only a spiritual one for the saved, contradicts other plain scriptural testimony of the scriptures, and denies that which basically taken for granted all throughout them. Leading most who accept this alteration to rejecting scriptural testimony regarding the sleep as it were, of the dead as well.1Co 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
The dead in Christ are sleeping the sleep of death. They are the dead in Christ, not the living in Christ. They will be resurrected unto life again at Christ’s second coming. Death is the last enemy that will be destroyed, at Christ’s coming, at the resurrection. Resurrections are of the dead not the living. Why will you deny the above plain testimony, because our Lord has properly claimed that the saved have passed from death to life? This does not have to contradict the above testimony or any of the others to the same effect, by an insistence upon conditions not fully supported or established by scripture itself. Either there are dead in Christ, or there are not. Either they are referred to as sleeping in Christ therefore, or they are not. According to the above scriptures though, and many others, there are. Why will you deny this with created scenarios that deny the same? 1 Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Again, the dead in Christ referred to as sleeping, will be raised. They are the dead in Christ, not the living in Christ. Why will you deny this plain conclusive testimony, making it of none effect, by your own understandings contradicting the same? Why wont you choose the path which does not make scripture contradict itself, over that which does? Are you not thereby denying what these scriptures and other plainly state and most obviously take for granted? Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Why would Jesus refer to those would be alive and well in heaven with Him at a future date as you suggest, as in their graves? Why would those already alive be referred to as taking part in the resurrection of life? Dead people are resurrected, not living ones. Even a spiritual application of resurrection, which the above does not suggest, requires a spiritual death before said resurrection. Again, our Lord and the apostles take for granted that which you seem to deny. Mat 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
The above is testimony regarding a literal demonstration of the resurrection unto life which Jesus and the apostles spoke of. The sleeping as it were dead, arose from their graves bodily, and appeared unto many. Why would that described by Jesus and the apostles to the same effect concerning the future resurrection unto life, be any different. To the contrary, all testimony we are examining speaks in the same manner, taking these truths for granted. 1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
The above testimony is in reference to the resurrection of the dead, not the living. The literal resurrection, not the spiritual one Paul also speaks of. It is regarding those sleeping the death which all of humanity dies, saved or not. This is the bibles testimony. Taken for granted in so much scripture, that I could continue this post into many other’s quoting the scriptures which do so. It is at the last trump, at our Lord’s second coming, on the last day, that the saved are raised from the dead, receive incorruptible spiritual bodies, and pass from mortals to immortality. At which point the final enemy which is death, is conquered. This is the testimony of scripture. Supported by so very much scripture in both plain and conclusive statement, and less specific testimony which obviously takes such for granted. Choosing to ignore all of this is a serious mistake, and leads to false doctrine.
I will end this post, with scriptural testimony taking these very things for granted, as I have stated so very much scripture does. Joh 11:1 Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha. 2 (It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.) Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick. 4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby. 5 Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus. 6 When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was………..
11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. 12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. 14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. 15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him. 16 Then said Thomas, which is called Didymus, unto his fellowdisciples, Let us also go, that we may die with him. 17 Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the grave four days already. 18 Now Bethany was nigh unto Jerusalem, about fifteen furlongs off: 19 And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. 20 Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house. 21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee. 23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? 27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world………………………………………
38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it. 39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days. 40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God? 41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. 42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me. 43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.44 And he that was dead came forth,[/u][/b] bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin.