Sorry RB. But soterion is exactly right. It is your theology that is wrong, SO WRONG. In fact Romans 6:1-8 is the description of one being born again. And just as soterion said, "When a person is immersed into Christ, he or she is in Him, in His body."
You are making me do extra work by you posting incorrectly, so, please get your nap in before posting!
Of course, you and yogi, Jaime, soterion, (and maybe Alan~ it's harder to tell exactly what he believes on this subject) believe that I got it all wrong, reason being,
that my understanding is directly in conflict with your teaching on this all-important teaching of the word of God.
In fact Romans 6:1-8 is the description of one being born again.
Not even close. Romans 5:12-20 reveals how one that is a sinner is made righteous before God~
and my dear friend water baptism IS NOT MENTION!
Well, even before Romans 5:12-20 we read these words of Paul:
Romans 3:21,22~"But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by the faith OF Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:"
4WD, and all others reading this, the word of God gives CLEAR WITNESS that God's righteousness which he has PROVIDED for his children comes to the elect THROUGH the OBEDIENCE, FAITH, AND RIGHTEOUSNESS of his holy Son, Jesus Christ, NOT through any act that man has an active part in
~that is called by the word of God doing the WORKS of the LAW~which a LAW can be called such which has any COMMANDMENT given that one MUST do before receiving the benifits of such law
Nowhere in the NT does it ever say anything about being baptized into Jesus' faith.
4WD, and all others~We conclude this doctrine by many infallible proofs. When one believes the report given concerning Jesus Christ and him crucified for the remission of our sins and such a one believes that report with all his heart and desires to follow Christ and HIS TEACHINGS, (religion) then such person MUST arise and be baptized INTO THAT FAITH which they now are professing to believe in. Also, there are many, yes, MANY scriptures teaching us that faith is the evidence of one BORN OF GOD, which MUST proceed any work done by us.
Jesus our Lord overly stress this very doctrine more than once in his short time of preaching the word of God~becuase it is SO IMPORTANT to understand. John's gospel and his epistles is the very best place to go and find such teachings. John 5:24 is very plain and even more so is John 3~ where Jesus and Nicodemus' discourse is preserved for this VERY PURPOSE, which time will not allow us to consider at the moment. But WOULD if grace so desires us to do.
I am not sure what you were really trying to say there, but knowledge is not given or imparted to anyone in water baptism
4WD, it most certainly is
! Why do not you see this blessed truth? I know why, and it is because you will not
even consider this truth since this truth goes against your doctrine and exposes it to not be of sound doctrine and according to the truth. Mark 16:16 is clear to me and should be to you as well, and would be, if you would not harden your spirit against it.
Mark 16:15,16~"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved but he that believeth not shall be damned."
The salvation in these words of our Lord Jesus is a practical salvation of TRUE KNOWLEDGE of the gospel of Jesus Christ
~of which knowledge MANY OT saints and others in the NT era that may have been regenerated, but NOT converted by the gospel
, such as heathens, feebleminded folks and those men and women who were never fully
converted to the truth even though born of God yet had NOT able ministers guiding them into the truth properly!
The ones that shall be damned are those that BELIEVE NOT
those who were never baptized INTO JESUS CHRIST'S faith/religion! But, those that people that have been baptized in all sincerity and properly have a much fuller knowledge of the truth, than those that have not
been baptized into Jesus Christ.
In water baptism, sins are forgiven and the gift, the indwelling, of the Holy Spirit is given. That is what it means to be born again.
Sir, one MUST have the Spirit of God IN THEM before
they are able to obey even the simplest of God's commandments, IMPOSSIBLE to do so living in the flesh. UNTIL you folks see this blessed truth, then you will keep on believing in your ability to please God WITHOUT his Spirit being IN you FIRST!
Listen to Paul and learn:
Romans 8:5-9~"For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."
You are NOT disagreeing with me, but with the word of God~If beleive you otherwise, then YOU explain these words of Paul and MAKE THEM support YOUR doctrine. I'll wait and see, but I will NOT hold my breath while waiting.
And there is only one body of Christ. It is composed of all who have been saved.
Agreed~saved by JESUS CHRIST ALONE and on HIS BEHALF, based on what HE did for his people.
I really can't see why Red has so much trouble reading the text and how he read so much in to it that no other bible version has. Such as into his religion I have not seen that phrase in any version of all the bible's I have read. If that is not a red flag on the play I don't know what one is.
Yogi, my man, I have no problem reading the scriptures, the problem of understanding all of it, yes, but in all sincerity and before God, I follow his word as carefully as I can~ NOT in support of any particular sect, since we meet in our homes~we live by these words so help us, God:
2nd Corinthians 2:17~"For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ."