“Red, do you believe that the saved will live forever and ever when they die?” Red: “Why yes of course, the Bible SAYS so”.
I labor to believe the TESTIMONY of the scriptures:
John 11:25,26~"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Yes, Lord Jesus, I believe your words
, that are life and truth to those that believe.
“Red, do you believe that the devil, and EVERYONE in the lake of fire will be tormented forever and ever? The Bible SAYS so”.
First things first~"Red, do you believe there is a burning hellfire NOW where the wicked go at death?"
No, there is NO burning hell where Adam's lost race who die in their sin go and are suffering NOW, only
to be brought forth to the judgment of the last day, to be judged for their sins, ONLY
to be cast in the lake of fire, that the holy scriptures God's very own testimony call the SECOND DEATH
. This doctrine has too many flaws and certainty is NOT logical to any thinking person's mind~which I have learned that God's truth is very LOGICAL in its teaching of the truth, and is much like we do our affairs in this life. NO ONE suffers the penalty of breaking the law UNTIL they go before the judge to be judged in what we call DUE PROCESS of the law. God's ways are so much more perfect and righteous
in judging sinners than man's. There is not one scripture that teaches us of a present burning hellfire where men are suffering in torments yet have life while doing so. It goes against so many scriptures. The main one is: The wicked do not have eternal life in any sense whatsoever. Also, and very important, Jesus Christ paid the PENALTY for our sins and THAT
penalty was death,
period. The word of God does not say that the wages of sins is ETERNAL SUFFERING, which is nowhere to be found in the holy scriptures, only in the doctrine of man.
Folks who believe in eternal suffering ARE IN ESSENCE denying the BIBLICAL atonement for sin that WAS PAID IN FULL by our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ gave his LIFE for our sins, he DID NOT need to suffer for eternity, as a payment for our sins. And neither does a man need to suffer forever for his sins, they will LOSE the RIGHT to inherit eternal life in the world to come and will be cast into the lake of fire WHICH IS the second and final death
where they shall perish. This is so important to consider and not pass over lightly just because you have never heard this from YOUR pulpit! There is so much more but must keep moving.
Red: “ No, I don’t believe a merciful God would allow torment forever and ever”
I do not believe it because I do not see it in the scriptures, also, it goes AGAINST his righteous judgment to punish sins~he does so with destroying his enemies with fire when
he destroys this PRESENT world with ferment heat. So, WHERE IS THE LAKE OF FIRE? It will be when this present world is destroyed and will pass AWAY (PERISH) with fire on that day of God's wrath. Not too complicated if we follow the scriptures. If we follow man, then it gets very complicated and strange with no answers.
Funny how some believe HALF of what the Bible teaches because they find the other HALF so hard to understand. They allow their own understanding to take over and rule them instead of simply believing the truth.
I agree with that statement, so, WHO is guilty of that? That's why
we are here to find out.
Fish153~you know one reason above many that could be provided as to why I love the scriptures and the truths therein? Because when one finds the truth, then it is very simple to prove it and it does not take volumes of books to do so! I'm always amazed by just how small our bible is with ALL TRUTHS that are contained therein for man's to know everything that is needed to answer every question that may come up. May God be praise!