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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #210 on: Mon May 24, 2021 - 11:44:27 »
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Matt 10:39 . .Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

The biggest road block to radical feminists becoming effective Christian disciples is Jesus' gender. You see, at the heart of feminism, is the drive to be independent of males. Yet the very Lord and Master of Christianity, the supreme male in the universe; demands death to a woman's self interests, and submission to his domineering control. Good luck on that one ladies.

Luke 14:26 . . If you want to be my follower you must love me more than your own father and mother, wife and children brothers and sisters-- yes, more than your own life. And you cannot be my disciple if you do take up your own cross and follow me.

In Jesus' day, crosses were for executions. So when Jesus told his disciples to "take up their own cross" it meant stifling their own way; viz: it was a call to abandon self interests, and follow The Master's leading.

Rom 12:1-2 . .Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God-- this is your spiritual act of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is-- his good, pleasing and perfect will.

The bitter irony of it all is that God has delegated the task of humanity's final judgment to His son; viz: in the end, it will be a male who casts condemned radical feminist women into Hell and permanently ruins any chances they might have had for happiness in the future. For all eternity, condemned radical feminist women will grind their teeth with hot tears and white-knuckled fury that they ultimately lost out on everything because of one lone male's obsessive control over their lives. Isn't that what radical feminism is really all about anyway: male supremacy?


NOTE: For the benefit of those unaware: Radical feminism is somewhat different than standard feminism. The standard kind is basically concerned with equality, whereas the radical kind is basically chafed by male supremacy. The standard kind is typically peaceable with men, whereas the radical kind is driven by misandry, i.e. hatred for men.

TALLY UPDATE: 994 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 60,543,546 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #211 on: Thu May 27, 2021 - 12:48:40 »
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2Tim 3:1-3 . . This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For people shall be . . .without natural affection

The Greek word translated "without natural affection" is astorgos (as'-tor-gos) which means: hard-hearted towards kindred; viz: lacking in sympathetic understanding i.e. unfeeling, pitiless, thoughtless, insensitive, cruel, and inhumane.

There are actually kids growing up in homes right here in the USA where their parents never give them even one atta-boy. As a result, they grow up feeling ugly, unwanted, stupid, useless, marginal, expendable, and unnecessary.

There are also kids growing up in homes where mothers never hug them nor bother to take the time to forge a bond between mother and child. Thus they grow up with reactive attachment disorder; feeling convinced that no one could possibly ever love them or be their best friend forever. RAD kids grow up to become adults with some serious trust issues.

Maybe you don't burn your kids with cigarettes, pour Tabasco sauce in their eyes, or lock them in a hall closet without food and water for two days; but do you ignore their opinions, demean them with denigrating labels, ridicule them, threaten their lives, work them as slaves without compensation, deny them things just so you won't appear to indulge them, and/or say "no" to their requests for no good reason than that you don't want to seem weak and under their control?

Do you routinely abuse their human rights, and/or relegate them to the level of livestock rather than bona fide human beings with feelings and a mind of their own? Do you nurture within them a feeling of importance, of belonging in your home, or do you make them feel like an invasive species and/or an uninvited guest? Kids pick up on things like that.


TALLY UPDATE: 997 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 60,729,273 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #212 on: Sun May 30, 2021 - 21:46:36 »
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Rev 16:8-9 . .The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was given power to scorch people with fire. They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify Him.

Rev 16:10-11 . .The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and his kingdom was plunged into darkness. Men gnawed their tongues in agony and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.

You know what's missing in those two scenarios? The element of fright is missing. The recipients of those acts of God actually get angry and resentful instead of scared.

Back in the sixth chapter, people panic and actually pray to be buried alive rather than face the wrath of God. But apparently by the time of the sixteenth chapter, they're over it. Well; no surprise there.

The first time I heard of Jesus' return I got nervous because, at the time, I had a lot to answer for. But the nervousness soon passed, and I became indignant because I don't like being made afraid; so I can sort of understand the people's change of mood between the sixth chapter and the sixteenth.


NOTE: The people in the sixteenth chapter are accused of refusing to repent and glorify God. What might that mean? Well; I suggest it means that the sensible thing to do in a situation like theirs is to fully agree we deserve it; like this:

"And I heard a voice from the altar saying: Yes, Lord God Almighty, your punishments are true and just." (Rev 16:7)


TALLY UPDATE: 1,000 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 60,909,000 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #213 on: Mon May 31, 2021 - 04:36:37 »
You said a statement that kinda bothers me~care to explain yourself?

work them as slaves without compensation
I was brought up during the late forties, fifties, and sixties where it was expected children to work and help out as much as we could. I started out carrying papers and gave my mother the money to help her since my father died when I was 6 and left her with nine children and I was in the middle of the nine ( one died, there were actually 10 ). I'll wait to hear what you have to say.
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #214 on: Mon May 31, 2021 - 20:18:46 »
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care to explain yourself?

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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #215 on: Tue Jun 01, 2021 - 03:39:19 »
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #216 on: Wed Jun 02, 2021 - 13:44:53 »
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Rev 20:13 . . I saw the dead, and they were judged, every one of them

That verse says that "every one" of them were judged. Well; I don't know precisely how many every one will eventually entail, but let's say that it's the number of new arrivals in the update.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,003 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 61,091,727 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.

If each of those 61,091,727 judgments were to take an hour to complete, we'd be looking at 2,545,488 calendar days, i.e. 6,969 solar years; that's if the judging goes around the clock 24/7/365.

Just think of that. In only 1,003 days, enough cases have accumulated on our hypothetical docket to keep the great white throne busy a minimum of 69 and ⅝ centuries.

I once commented to a Christian friend about how long it will take for God to judge everybody. My friend responded: Well; he has plenty of time.
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #217 on: Sat Jun 05, 2021 - 21:22:43 »
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Rev 20:13 . . I saw the dead, and they were judged, every one of them

There's a few points related to that scene worth special mention.

1» According to Jude 1:14-15 the dead will be given a fair trial.

2» According to Matt 12:36, every word that the dead have spoken will used as evidence both against them and/or for them; not just their serious words, but also their careless words.

3» The scene doesn't depict one future out of a variety of possible futures; no, it depicts the actual future.

A Danger Foreseen
Is Half Avoided.

-- Cheyenne Proverb --

TALLY UPDATE: 1,006 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 61,274,454 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #218 on: Tue Jun 08, 2021 - 18:47:27 »
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1Kings 22:18-23 . . I saw Jehovah sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by Him on His right and on His left. And Jehovah said: Who will entice Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one said this while another said that.

. . .Then a spirit came forward and stood before Jehovah and said: I will entice him.

. . . And Jehovah said to him: How?

. . . And he said; I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.

. . .Then He said: You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so.

. . . Now therefore, behold, Jehovah has put a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; and Jehovah has proclaimed disaster against you.

That is a very strange alliance. God actually recruited someone from the demon world to do some dirty work for Him: a black op, so to speak. That suggests to me that the demon world is neither totally useless nor totally in Satan's control; some are actually assets, which can be defined as something useful in an effort to foil or defeat an enemy: such as a piece of military equipment, a spy, or an assassin.

It's likely that God still manages some of His affairs like that even today when He wants certain individuals destroyed without getting His hands dirty. For example from post No.1 it's seen that some folks are on a road to Hell while others are on a road to something better, i.e. the few and the many. I really have to wonder if maybe some of those many on the road to Hell weren't talked into going that way by spirits recruited by God to do it for Him. Now that's scary. Can you just imagine the horror of being targeted like that and not aware of it! (cf. 2Thess 2:8-12)


TALLY UPDATE: 1,009 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 61,457,181 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #219 on: Fri Jun 11, 2021 - 20:21:40 »
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Canadian folk singer Gordon Lightfoot released a sentimental song back in 1975 that speaks volumes about sympathy. Its lyrics are very touching. Here's a few that I feel especially appropriate when talking about things like sickness, death, and the hereafter.

Rainy day people always seem to know when it's time to call.
Rainy day people don't talk, they just listen till they've heard it all.
Rainy day lovers don't lie when they tell 'ya they've been down like you.
Rainy day people don't mind if you're cryin' a tear or two.

I sometimes wonder how much sympathy one can expect in the fiery netherworld. I mean; sure they'll understand how we might feel about the unfortunate circumstances in life that led us down there, but once you're there, everyone's pretty much in the same boat and they're all longing for sympathy too.

In point of fact, I'd not be surprised if the competition for sympathy down there is on the level of dog eat dog; and likely a fair number of sympathy hoarders demanding total market share of it. I can just hear their feigned indignity; like this:

"Oh, stop whining already! Don't be such a baby. I deserve more sympathy than you. I've been down here for two millennia and you've only been down here for a decade. What've you got to cry about? You should be grateful that your time down here will end up shorter than mine."

I'd imagine that after a few years in that place the only sympathy that people can feel after a while is sympathy for themselves.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,012 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 61,639,908 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #220 on: Tue Jun 15, 2021 - 20:29:13 »
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1Cor 1:26 . . Remember, dear brothers and sisters, that few of you were wise in the world's eyes

That verse is useful for illustrating that "few" doesn't always pertain to a handful, rather, it's simply a contrast between the majority and the minority, least vs most, large vs small, maximum vs minimum, ounces vs pounds, dimes vs dollars, feet vs yards, etc.

Some of the Bible's uses of the word "wise" don't always apply to folks born with a high IQ. Wisdom can also pertain to education; which doesn't make someone eo ipso smart, it just makes them informed; and if informed enough, they can even qualify as an expert witness in legal matters.

Anyway; education and/or a high IQ have their uses; but are insufficient when it comes to spiritual matters. In point of fact, those kinds of wisdom can actually be an impediment. Take for example Carl Sagan. Had his knowledge and his IQ been a spiritual advantage, then Carl would've stood on the side of intelligent design instead of opposing it.

It's tragic that Carl went to his grave with his curiosity and so many scientific questions about the cosmos unanswered, and to top it off, a day is coming when even Carl's pale blue dot will no longer be available for study.

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away." (Rev 21:1)

Can you imagine how delighted Carl would've been to explore Heaven's libraries where everything to know that can be known about the cosmos is stored? But alas, Carl will never find out because he was at best an agnostic, at worst an atheist.

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1Cor 1:26 isn't sayng that no smart people become Christians; only that on the whole; the smart folk constitute a smaller percentage in comparison to the not so smart folk.

TALLY UPDATE
: 1,016 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 61,883,544 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #221 on: Wed Jun 16, 2021 - 05:25:00 »
1Cor 1:26 isn't sayng that no smart people become Christians; only that on the whole; the smart folk constitute a smaller percentage in comparison to the not so smart folk.
Perhaps.  I have known a few EXTREMELY intelligent people who are (or will be depending on your belief about "soul sleep") in Heaven now.  Not least of which is Derek Prince who was the first DOUBLE KING SCHOLAR to graduate from Kings College Eaton (UK) in over 500 years.  He taught post-grad classes on the Greek Philosophers at Cambridge before becoming a believer during WW2.

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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #222 on: Fri Jun 18, 2021 - 18:26:24 »
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As if hell isn't bad enough, people are in it as their selves; viz: they are never going to be free from their own personalities-- their phobias, their hang-ups, their inner conflicts, their memories, their anger, their hostility, their rivalries, their prejudice, their bias, their angst, their gender issues, their resentments, their regrets, their disappointments, their bitterness, their animosity, their passions, and their appetites.

Hell is even more of a hell than you might think because, having missed out on the regeneration about which Christ spoke at John 3:3-8, people take who they are right along with them down there.

Thus; suicide is not a good way to relieve depression. Depressed people and/or despondent people, take that low state of mind right along with them to the other side; and their sorrow will be even more intensified in fire when they realize that as bad as things were up here on the surface, their situation up here wasn't nearly as bad as their situation down below.

You can escape poor health via death, you can escape credit card debt, you can escape an abusive spouse, you can escape taxes, you can escape a physical handicap, you can escape pimples, you can escape a bully, you can escape despots and tyrants, you can escape a life of neither promise nor future, you can escape prison, you can escape grinding poverty, and you can escape the Mafioso; but nobody can escape themselves.

You've made this day a special day, by just your being you.
There's no person in the whole world like you;
And I like you just the way you are.

Fred Rogers, a.k.a. Mister Rogers

Well; I appreciate Fred's work with children; but the fact of the matter is: there are grown-ups out there who do not feel special nor do they particularly like the way they are; and that's never going to change should they end up in the wrong place when they leave this life.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,019 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 62,066,271 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #223 on: Sun Jun 20, 2021 - 09:48:48 »
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2Cor 5:11 . . Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;

The Greek word translated "knowing" means to know firsthand, viz: by experience rather than by education and/or instruction.

In other words; there were incidents at various times in the lives of Paul and his contemporaries when God frightened them, i.e. scared 'em out of their wits.

I have been challenged on occasion as to how I know for sure that my religion is true. Well; there's nothing like a good old fashioned close encounter of a third kind to convince even the most resistant skeptics; and Paul's history attests that his was a really stubborn case.

Of course if any of us were to claim to "know" the terror of the Lord, we'd be singled out as kooks and crackpots; but for some of us, fear is the only persuasion that works.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,021 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 62,188,089 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #224 on: Thu Jun 24, 2021 - 12:55:41 »
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1Cor 3:22-23 . . Everything belongs to you-- Paul and Apollos and Peter --the whole world and life and death; the present and the future. Everything belongs to you, and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.

People incarcerated in the fiery section of Hades may or may not be fully aware of all they've lost. Many are doubtless aware of at least their loss of immortality; but I'm not so sure they know about the extent of their loss because not even that many Christians are aware of all they've gained by their position in Christ.

1Cor 3:22-23 refers to Rom 8:17 where believers are depicted by a Greek word that pertains to heirs in common, i.e. joint-heirs. Regular heirs each receive an individually specified portion of a benefactor's estate whereas heirs in common each take possession of the whole shebang, i.e. whatever the Father bequeathed His son, He bequeathed everyone in His son.

For example: supposing a benefactor's estate totals 60 acres of land plus $10,000 in a bank account, and he left it all to six heirs in common. In that situation; the heirs are corporately one beneficiary instead of six; viz: all six inherit the 60 acres and the $10k as if each one were the only heir.

The extent of Jesus' inheritance is astonishing. It encompasses not only all that is in Heaven, but also whatever pertains to the new cosmos spoken of in Isa 66:17, 2Pet 3:13, and Rev 21:1; and I don't know what else.

  John 3:35 . .The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.

John 16:15 . . All things that the Father has are mine

Heb 2:5 . . It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come

Fortunately Jesus has been appointed the estate's chief executive officer because I don't think anybody else among men could ever be competent enough to manage something so complex and so vast.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,025 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 62,431,725 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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« Reply #225 on: Sun Jun 27, 2021 - 20:20:21 »
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Christ is often thought of as a pacifist. But the fact of the matter is, Christ and the Old Testament's fearsome God are in total agreement.

John 10:30 . . I and my Father are unified.

In other words; Christ would never disapprove of the Flood, nor of the incineration of Sodom and Gomorrah. In point of fact, via the person of the Word of God depicted in the opening verses of John's gospel; the gentle Jesus was on hand for those events, and only too happy to lend a hand.

John 8:29 . . He that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please Him.

It sometimes puzzles me why Christ's enemies weren't more afraid of him because when you think about it: if he could cure blindness, then he could just as easily cause it, and if he could cure paralysis, then he could just as easily cause that too; and if he could cure the deaf and the dumb, then he could just as easily take away people's ability to speak and hear; and if he could cure leprosy, then he could just as easily infect people with it.

And if he could multiply a little to feed thousands, then he could just as easily thwart abundance to cause the starvation of millions; and if he could calm a storm, then he could just as easily generate a hurricane; and if he could replace a severed ear, then he could just as easily remove an ear; and if he could turn water into wine, then he could just as easily turn water into acid; and if he could exorcise demons, then he could just as easily muster demons for wide-spread possession.

The first time Christ came, he came as a victim; the next time he will come as a conqueror. One day out ahead, the sweet little babe away in manger is taking the reins of this planet, and his administration will be neither soft hearted nor soft headed.

Ps 2:9-12 . .You will rule them with an iron scepter; you will dash them to pieces like pottery. Therefore, you kings, be wise; be warned, you rulers of the earth. Serve The Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,028 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 62,614,452 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #226 on: Wed Jun 30, 2021 - 12:11:45 »
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I once heard an interviewed US Navy SEAL explain how that if SEALs were to play hop scotch, it would turn violent because they don't like to lose.

There's a humorous incident depicted in Dante's Inferno where these two guys, who were bitter rivals in life, are quarreling over who deserves to be in Hell more than the other.

Well; I think it goes without saying that people competitive to the bone are not the kind of folk with whom God prefers to associate.

Matt 5:9 . . Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,031 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 62,797,179 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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« Reply #227 on: Wed Jun 30, 2021 - 13:47:03 »
1,031 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 62,797,179 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018
Sir, all 1,031 means is that's how long you have been in error on the doctrine of the afterlife concerning the wicked. There is no such place as a burning hell where the wicked are now suffering ~you have been greatly deceived into believing this fable started by the EOC/RCC church. The righteous at death do go and be with Christ~not so with the wicked they do not continue to live but are in silence and unconsciousness waiting for the final resurrection where they shall be raised and THEN BE JUDGE for their sins and from there cast into the lake of fire WHICH IS THE SECOND death for them!

Maybe some 62,797,179 have indeed CK into hell (grave) in their sins, but not into hell fire, or the lake of fire! Do you truly know how much sense your doctrine makes, or even sounds to a mind that should be able to reason unless someone has blinded their ability to do so? To think someone is in hellfire now suffering ONLY to bring them out to be judge and then cast them back into the lake of fire~is beyond me how any rational person can allow themselves to be so deceived into believing this doctrine! Your writings tells me that you should be able to reason much better than that, but it seems you just cannot get hold of this truth.

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« Reply #228 on: Wed Jun 30, 2021 - 18:54:36 »
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There are angels chained in the abyss right now who will be unchained, tried, and then tossed into the Lake of fire. Your argument is a bad one. And what do you do with 1 Peter 3:18,19? Jesus preached to "the spirits in prison"?

They are conscious or Jesus wouldn't have preached to them. There is an area where damned souls are being held until Judgment. At Judgment they will be shown WHY they are in torment. Once they have NO ARGUMENT and it is proved to them they DESERVE their fate, they will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.
To teach there is no eternal hell is HERESY, plain and simple. The Bible clearly teaches it. Jesus clearly taught it too. Don't you think there is a REASON Jehovah's Witnesses teach there is no hell, contrary to Christian doctrine? Because they have been DECEIVED. Annihilation is a doctrine of demons, contrary to what God says in the Bible. I am very surprised you accept that doctrine.

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« Reply #229 on: Wed Jun 30, 2021 - 21:42:05 »
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Do you truly know how much sense your doctrine makes, or even sounds to a mind that should be able to reason unless someone has blinded their ability to do so?

Well, I make no claim to brilliance; that's for sure. I flunked senior year in high school, never went to college, and spent the forty years of my working life as an industrial welder in shops and shipyards: a blue collar trade neither admired nor respected for its IQ, so you've got me there.
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #230 on: Thu Jul 01, 2021 - 03:47:32 »
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There are angels chained in the abyss right now who will be unchained, tried, and then tossed into the Lake of fire. Your argument is a bad one. And what do you do with 1 Peter 3:18,19? Jesus preached to "the spirits in prison"?
Fish, I would never make a statement or ask that I had not first know the answer~no lawyer worth his salt would ever ask a question that he did not know the answer.
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1st Peter 3:18-20~ "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
I quoted more scriptures for CONTEXT is so important! Noah preached unto the SAME SPIRITS! And so has many children of God since the world began.

There are many who theorize that these passages speak of a type of purgatory, the spiritual under-world or intermediate place of the imprisoned lost. However, these theories are contrary to all that the holy scriptures declares about sin, judgment, and life after death for the wicked. The Bible is perfectly clear that whatever spiritual condition a person dies in (whether saved or unsaved), that is the condition in which he will stand before God and be judged. There is no possibility for a second chance at redemption after death. So all of the many variations of this doctrine are decidedly unbiblical.

Once a person leaves this earth in death, his chance for redemption is over. There is no remembrance of him in the grave, and on the last day (John 12:48) when he is raised up to be paid according to what he has done while he was in this world. There is no Spirit of Christ preaching to any unsaved person after physical death, for death is appointed to every single one of us, and after that the judgment (Hebrews 9:27) of God. By the same token, when we receive salvation in this world through the work of Christ, we are no longer under judgment to be condemned for sin and are judged as perfect before God. There is nothing in the Holy Scriptures that would even imply that there is a second chance at salvation after death. This divine truth is also made abundantly clear in the parable of Lazarus. Christ explains this parable saying there is a great gulf fixed (Luke 16:26) where it is impossible for the redeemed to pass from one side to the side of the unsaved who died, or those who died unsaved to pass over to the side of the redeemed. Thus if anyone dies unsaved, that is the condition that they will remain in. It is impossible to preach to those who have died in the flesh~ when they were alive in the flesh they were DEAD in trespasses and sin and that did not serve them in the least to help to know the truth.

How did Jesus preach to the spirits in prison? These can be difficult passages, but we can begin to understand what it actually means if we follow carefully what it actually says with no preconceived ideas about the interpretation and "in the light of the rest of the Bible." Because the Bible was not written in a vacuum, nor was it subject to any personal opinions or private interpretation of the saints of old. Thus it is not subject to our private interpretation or personal opinions today. Our interpretation and opinion should be subject to it, because every Word is divinely inspired.

When I am asked, "How did Christ preach to the spirits in prison," the obvious answer seems to me to be "exactly as the passage itself declares." That, by being put to death in the flesh, but quickened or made alive by the Spirit, Christ by the same Spirit that quickened him form the dead, the same Spirit preached THROUGH him while he was alive to spirits in prison. In other words, it is declaring that it was by Christ's death in the flesh and resurrection by the Spirit, that He and his servants testify to the disobedient. It is a Biblical fact that before we were saved, we were spirits held captive or prisoners by Satan. Christ was manifested in the flesh specifically to set us free from that captivity. Knowing this truth is now a matter of simply defining what we read "by biblical terms," rather than by speculation, tradition, or assumptions.
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1st John 4:1~"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."
In Biblical terms, what are these spirits that the saints are told not to believe? Clearly they are the spirits in prison. In other words, they are those people who are held in spiritual captivity so that they are in bondage and servitude to Satan. They are people who are unsaved whom the saints are not to believe. The question we should be asking concerning the actual text of Peter is, How does Christ preach or declare the gospel to someone by His death and resurrection? Is it not through the witness of His Spirit? And is that not exactly what 1st Peter says in the text? The death He suffered was on the cross, and the punishment He endured was the wrath of God as He was laden with our sins (2nd Corinthians 5:21). The wages He paid was that which was due for our sins. Thus when Christ was resurrected, He was raised up without those sins. This act of sacrifice is what set our spirits free. In the real sense, as the second man (the second Adam) wherein we were dead, we were resurrected with him and delivered from our prison house. These spirits that were in prison, and that were witnessed the gospel through His Spirit, are the election.
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1st Peter 3:21,22~"The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
The Spirit of God uses the gospel of Christ to deliver us from the power of Satan wherein we were held captive by him~the same gospel is preached unto other spirits in prison, yet WITHOUT the Spirit of God quickening us and opening the doors of the prison we were in we would never be able to escape. In other words, it takes the SAME POWER that raised up Christ to raise up us from the captivity wherein we were held.
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Ephesians 1:19,20~"And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
When Christ was put to death he died as a SINNER, he was put to death with our sins ON HIM, thereby, he was not living after he died, he had to be resurrected before he begins to live again! He died not as God, but as MAN carrying our sins upon him! So, it would be impossible for him to be preaching to literal dead souls as so many vainly suppose. Believing in that doctrine affects so many other doctrines! You might want to re-think your position.
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There are angels chained in the abyss right now
Let me do a different post on this.
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #231 on: Thu Jul 01, 2021 - 04:02:52 »
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Red--There are angels chained in the abyss right now
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2nd Peter 2:4

"For if God spared not the angles that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto the judgement."

"For if God spared not the angels that sinned"~By whom are meant the devil and his angels; who are spirits created by God and as such were good; their first estate which they left was pure and holy, as well as high and honourable; they, were at first in the truth, though they abode not in it; they were once among the morning stars and sons of God, and were angels of light; their numbers are many, and therefore are here expressed in the plural number, "angels", though it cannot be said how large, a number that cannot be counted.

"God spared not"~ Notwithstanding the dignity and excellency of their nature, in strict justice, and awful severity, without any mercy, inflicted due punishment on them; wherefore it cannot be thought that false teachers, who, as they, abide not in the truth, but deny and oppose it, should escape the vengeance of God, for they will not.

"but cast them down to hell"~In what sense are we to understand the word hell as used by Peter?  It cannot be understood as the lake of fire, for that is after the judgment~for which they are reserved for...which is to come, as is evident by even the fallen angles themselves:
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Matthew 8:29"And behold they cried out saying, What have we to do with thee Jesus, thou Son of God?  art thou come hither to torment us before the time?"
They know that there is a day appointed for them to be judge and then cast into the lake of fire, or into the deep, as used by Mark and Luke.

Also, we must not forget, the world is full of evil spirits even now as is evident by many scriptures in the NT, and in the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ.  Hell in this scripture is explained to us by Peter as he said these words:

"and delivered them into chains of darkness"~ "NOT WITH, but INTO" chains of darkness. When they left their first estate, by sinning, God Almighty delivered them into chains of darkness~which means their sins left them under the guilt of sin, which is the power of darkness, and in black despair; shutting them up in unbelief, impenitence, and hardness of mind; being holden with the cords of their sins, and in the most dreadful state of bondage and captivity to their lusts, in just judgment on them; and in the most miserable and uncomfortable condition, being driven from the realms of light, deprived of the face and presence of God, in the utmost horror and trembling, and fearful looking for of judgment, and fiery indignation to consume them; and in utter darkness, without the least glimmering of light, joy, peace, and comfort; and where there is nothing but weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth; and being also under the restraints of the power and providence of God, and not able to stir or move, or do anything without divine permission; and being likewise, by the everlasting, unalterable, and inscrutable purposes and decrees of God, appointed to everlasting wrath and destruction; by which they are consigned and bound over to it, and held fast, that they cannot escape it! They are there~

"to be reserved unto judgment"~And judge they shall be! By Jesus Christ and his saints. This is the prison of hell in which they are now suffering under, there waiting for that great day of the wrath of Almighty God.  This hell, they will never escape from, they are forever under this chains of darkness and deception in which they are now living under. Their final abode will be destroyed in the lake of fire and brimstone. Selah!
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #232 on: Thu Jul 01, 2021 - 11:46:21 »
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My point was that God has angels chained in the abyss right now whom he will eventually throw into the Lake of Fire. If he will do this to angels, why not men also? That is the whole point of Peter's reminder isn't it? If he will do this to angels, what makes you think he won't do the same to PUNY MEN??

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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #233 on: Thu Jul 01, 2021 - 12:17:36 »
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My point was that God has angels chained in the abyss right now whom he will eventually throw into the Lake of Fire. If he will do this to angels, why not men also? That is the whole point of Peter's reminder isn't it? If he will do this to angels, what makes you think he won't do the same to PUNY MEN??

Exactly.

Turn your back on creator God and watch what happens.

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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #234 on: Thu Jul 01, 2021 - 13:34:42 »
Red--
My point was that God has angels chained in the abyss right now whom he will eventually throw into the Lake of Fire. If he will do this to angels, why not men also? That is the whole point of Peter's reminder isn't it? If he will do this to angels, what makes you think he won't do the same to PUNY MEN??
Brother read my posts~NO where did I say he would not cast men into the lake of fire~of course he will~ the lake of fire IS the second death. Also, angels are NOT now in chains in a burning hell~again read what I posted and refute THAT. There is A DAY APPOINTED by God to judge both angels and men that day is yet in the future~now BOTH are in chains in a true biblical sense! Only the angels with a much severe judgment.

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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #235 on: Thu Jul 01, 2021 - 13:56:09 »
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There you go "spiritualizing" again. There ARE angels literally imprisoned with chains right now. There are fallen angels who are free right now, but there are a special group of angels who "kept not their first estate". They CAUSED God to judge the world with the flood. They are in chains to PREVENT THEM from doing it again! I did not say they are burning in flames right now. I said they are imprisoned (most likely in great darkness). The demons fear to go there. Remember the demoniac? The demons cried "do not send us into the abyss!!" It is a place of imprisonment and torment.

Those angels are not in "chains" as the kind you describe-- they are LITERALLY in chains and imprisoned. You really need to stop spiritualizing everything Red. It is not wise at all.

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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #236 on: Fri Jul 02, 2021 - 03:34:02 »
Red--There you go "spiritualizing" again. There ARE angels literally imprisoned with chains right now.
Not spiritualizing, but using scriptures to make SENSE with what is said. Please quickly consider a couple of things.

How can a spirit be literally chained? Impossible, so we must look into the scriptures for a biblical answer, and if you read my post honestly with an unbiased heart I think you should find your answer, AT LEAST be on track to finding it~ and maybe, even adding more...... once a person refuses his own bias answers to God's truth~I have seen it happened in the past more than once with MYSELF and others~ of scriptures coming together by mutual parties adding their studies.

Also, why some angels as you say chained in the abyss right now"~(wherever that place may be, the scriptures are totally silenced on such as place)....and others are NOT?

Without getting into a study on evil spirits~sufficent to say now that they indwell and work in the children of disobedience; they have a house in people whom they prefer, but CAN live in animals~can go from house to house, or return back to their favorite house and taking some of their evil comrades with them. They dwell in the heavens~they have a rank among them, etc etc. So having such power among them...... WHO IS CHAINED in "your abyss"? Satan certainly is not, yet he and all others ARE as Peter said: IN CHAINS OF DARKNESS~"darkness" describing the chains they ARE IN, not with! In chains of darkness speaks of their depravity and ignorance that they are now in, just like fallen men who took on the image of Satan who deceived Eve into sinning and Adam following Eve.

More could said but enough for now. We could start a thread on this study of fallen angels.
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #237 on: Fri Jul 02, 2021 - 16:53:12 »
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How can a spirit be literally chained?

The spirit world is a dimension that cannot be heard, seen, smelled, touched, or tasted by natural means. The chains (if perchance the passage in question is speaking of something akin to linked metal shackles) would constrain a spirit, but fail to constrain one of us because we are solid whereas a paranormal chain would have less consistency than thin air.

For example, if a drilling machine were to dig down to the center of the Earth searching for Hades, it would pass thru that area without detecting it because Hades is an afterlife world, i.e. supernatural.

The natural world consists of elements found on the periodic table. It would not surprise me to discover that the supernatural world consists of elements not on that table; rather, a table of its own elements heretofore unknown.
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #238 on: Mon Jul 05, 2021 - 10:20:20 »
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Years ago it wasn't unusual to be called a religious fanatic for believing the Genesis account of the creation of Man. Well; recently somebody online didn't call me a fanatic; instead they called me a bigot because I stand for the Bible's physical gender designations and refuse to accept the new political designations, e.g. transgender and non binary.

Do they seriously think that the One who intelligently designed the cosmos-- all of its forms of life, matter, and energy --won't have the last word on this matter of gender identity?

Ps 2:1-5 . . Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against The Lord, and against His anointed, saying: Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall He speak unto them in His wrath, and vex them in His sore displeasure.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,036 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 63,101,724 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #239 on: Mon Jul 05, 2021 - 12:56:47 »
Years ago it wasn't unusual to be called a religious fanatic for believing the Genesis account of the creation of Man. Well; recently somebody online didn't call me a fanatic; instead they called me a bigot because I stand for the Bible's physical gender designations and refuse to accept the new political designations, e.g. transgender and non binary.

Do they seriously think that the One who intelligently designed the cosmos-- all of its forms of life, matter, and energy --won't have the last word on this matter of gender identity?



He will indeed!

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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #240 on: Mon Jul 05, 2021 - 13:02:10 »
Years ago it wasn't unusual to be called a religious fanatic for believing the Genesis account of the creation of Man. Well; recently somebody online didn't call me a fanatic; instead they called me a bigot because I stand for the Bible's physical gender designations and refuse to accept the new political designations, e.g. transgender and non binary.

Do they seriously think that the One who intelligently designed the cosmos-- all of its forms of life, matter, and energy --won't have the last word on this matter of gender identity?



They do not think~they are void of any spiritual light. But God will have the last laugh be sure of that.
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Proverbs 1:26-32~I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you. Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me: For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD: They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof. Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices. For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them."
Amen to the word of God.

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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #241 on: Thu Jul 08, 2021 - 23:01:17 »
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When God is ignored; He can be expected to reciprocate.

Prv 1:24-33 . . I called you so often, but you didn't come. I reached out to you, but you paid no attention. You ignored my advice and rejected the correction I offered. So I will laugh when you are in trouble! I will mock you when disaster overtakes you-- when calamity overcomes you like a storm, when you are engulfed by trouble, and when anguish and distress overwhelm you.

. . . I will not answer when they cry for help. Even though they anxiously search for me, they will not find me. For they hated knowledge and chose not to fear The Lord. They rejected my advice and paid no attention when I corrected them. That is why they must eat the bitter fruit of living their own way. They must experience the full terror of the path they have chosen. For they are simpletons who turn away from me-- to death. They are fools, and their own complacency will destroy them. But all who listen to me will live in peace and safety, unafraid of harm.

Case in point is Mr. Esau.

"Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. For you know that even afterwards, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought for it with tears." (Heb 12:16-17)

The Greek word translated "repentance" is metanoia (met-an'-oy-ah) which essentially means to change one's mind; viz: to reconsider.

Esau was secular to the bone. But he "got religion" right quick when he saw his way of life costing him the blessing; but alas, the poor slob was a day late and a dollar short; so to speak.

Lesson to be learned: The time for people to believe in Hell is not when they get there, rather, before they get there.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,039 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 63,284,451 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #242 on: Sun Jul 11, 2021 - 10:07:24 »
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1Cor 1:26 . . Remember, dear brothers and sisters, that few of you were wise in the world's eyes

That verse is useful for illustrating that "few" doesn't always pertain to a handful, rather, it's simply a contrast between the majority and the minority, least vs most, large vs small, maximum vs minimum, ounces vs pounds, dimes vs dollars, feet vs yards, etc.

Some of the Bible's uses of the word "wise" don't always apply to folks born with a high IQ. Wisdom can also pertain to education; which doesn't make someone eo ipso smart, it just makes them informed; and if informed enough, they can even qualify as an expert witness in legal matters.

Anyway; education and/or a high IQ have their uses; but are insufficient when it comes to spiritual matters. In point of fact, those kinds of wisdom can actually be an impediment. Take for example Carl Sagan. Had his knowledge and his IQ been a spiritual advantage, then Carl would've stood on the side of intelligent design instead of opposing it.

It's tragic that Carl went to his grave with his curiosity, and so many scientific questions about the cosmos, unanswered; and to top it off, a day is coming when even Carl's pale blue dot will no longer be available for study.

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away." (Rev 21:1)

Can you imagine how delighted Carl would've been to explore Heaven's libraries where everything to know that can be known about the cosmos is stored? But alas, Carl will never find out because he was at best an agnostic, at worst an atheist.

» 1Cor 1:26 isn't sayng that no smart people become Christians; only that on the whole; the smart folk constitute a smaller percentage in comparison to ordinary people.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,042 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 63,467,178 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #243 on: Wed Jul 14, 2021 - 22:06:34 »
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As if hell isn't bad enough, people are in it as their selves; viz: they are never going to be free from their own personalities-- their phobias, their hang-ups, their inner conflicts, their memories, their anger, their hostility, their rivalries, their prejudice, their bias, their angst, their gender issues, their resentments, their regrets, their disappointments, their bitterness, their animosity, their passions, and their appetites.

Hell is even more of a hell than you might think because, having missed out on the regeneration about which Christ spoke at John 3:3-8, people take who they are right along with them down there.

Thus; suicide is not a good way to relieve depression. Depressed people and/or despondent people, take that low state of mind right along with them to the other side; and their sorrow will be even more intensified in fire when they realize that as bad as things were up here on the surface, their situation up here wasn't nearly as bad as their situation down below.

You can escape poor health via death, you can escape credit card debt, you can escape an abusive spouse, you can escape taxes, you can escape a physical handicap, you can escape pimples, you can escape a bully, you can escape despots and tyrants, you can escape a life of neither promise nor future, you can escape prison, you can escape grinding poverty, and you can escape the Mafioso; but nobody can escape themselves.

You've made this day a special day, by just your being you.
There's no person in the whole world like you;
And I like you just the way you are.

Fred Rogers, a.k.a. Mister Rogers

Well; I appreciate Fred's work with children; but the fact of the matter is: there are grown-ups out there who do not feel special nor do they particularly like the way they are; and that's never going to change should they end up in the wrong place when they leave this life.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,045 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 63,649,905 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« Reply #244 on: Sat Jul 17, 2021 - 09:47:30 »
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2Cor 5:11 . . Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men

The Greek word translated "knowing" means to know firsthand, viz: by experience rather than by education and/or instruction.

In other words; there were incidents at various times in the lives of Paul and his contemporaries when God frightened them, i.e. scared 'em out of their wits. Well; there's nothing like a good old fashioned close encounter of a third kind to convince even the most resistant skeptics; and Paul's history attests that his was a really stubborn case.

Of course if any of us were to claim to "know" the terror of the Lord, we'd be singled out as kooks and crackpots; but for some folk, fear is the only persuasion that works.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,048 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 63,832,632 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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