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Title: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Sep 03, 2018 - 20:55:16
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According to Jesus Christ's testimony as a credible expert witness in all matters pertaining to the afterlife; most of the world's responsible souls haven't been making it to safety when they cross over to the other side.

● Luke 13:22-24 . . And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

● Matt 7:13-14 . . Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

● Matt 22:14 . . For many are called, but few are chosen.

Webster's defines "many" as consisting of, or amounting to, a large but indefinite number; while "few" is defined as consisting of, or amounting to, only a small number; viz: relative to many then, few is the lesser. Bear with me while I flesh this out.

According to the US Census Bureau: as of Sep 03, 2018 @ 09:44 pm New York Time, the United States population was approximately 328,503,154 with a death rate of approximately one every 12 seconds; which translates to an average of 7,200 American deaths of all ages, races, and genders during just one 24-hour calendar day.

According to 2009 US Census data; roughly 27.3% of America's daily deaths are under the age of 19, which would indicate that approximately 5,234 of the current daily death rate per 24 hours are adults.

Giving the "many" the benefit of the doubt by limiting their maximum percentage to 51%, would indicate a minimum of 2,669 American adults transferring to perdition every day: which translates to roughly 111 per hour.

That's a very conservative estimate as Christ didn't really specify exact percentages to represent the quantities of "few" and "many". But just think: by the time CBS completes its half hour evening news report, a bare-bones minimum of 55 Americans become new arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld.

Using the ratio of 2,669 condemned souls per 328,506,154 population: computing the number of condemned souls worldwide from a currently estimated global population of 7,496,798,873 people, would suggest something like 60,909 new arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld every 24 hours; which translates to approximately 2,538 global arrivals every sixty minutes on the clock.

That rate would fill Yankee Stadium's 51,800 seats to capacity in roughly 20 hours and 24 minutes. In other words: if the world's daily number of condemned souls started filing into the stadium at 06:00 am this morning, then by 02:24 am tomorrow, the stadium would be full to capacity.

Christmas and New Year are even worse. A study done of 26 years of death certificates shows that coronary fatalities are, on average, 11.9% higher on those days than any other days of the year; with non-heart deaths spiking to 12.2% higher.

The hell I'm describing never closes; no, not at all: it's open for business 24/7/365 nonstop and indifferent to global warming, Wall Street crashes, massive layoffs, outsourcing, school shootings, terrorism, tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, storm surges, nuclear meltdowns, air, water, and soil pollution, a mission to Mars, freeway pile-ups, brown-outs, threatened species, the price of oil, LGBT marriage, student debt, GMO, trade deficits, Obamacare, protests, North Korean nukes, Federal debt, factory recalls, overpopulation, desertification, genocides, revolutions, civil wars, acid rain, road rage, oil spills, conscious decoupling, ISIS, blood diamonds, fracking, twerking, and/or President Donald Trump's tweets.

If classical Christianity's perception of Jesus Christ and the hereafter is correct; then it's apparent that people never stop cascading into the netherworld's dungeons in an endless procession like the unbelievable millions of poultry broilers passing annually through Tyson chicken-processing plants on their way to Wendy's, McDonalds, Carl's Junior, Jack in the Box, Burger King, Chic-fil-A, KFC, A&W, Arby's, Dairy Queen, Taco Bell, et al; and to supermarkets and restaurants all over the USA and wherever else Tyson vends its meats. The slaughtering and the butchering never stop.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Sep 05, 2018 - 10:56:33
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Through me; the way to the eternal city.
Through me; the way to eternal sadness.
Through me; the way to lost people.

Justice moved my supreme maker:
I was shaped by divine power,
By highest wisdom, and by primal love.

Before me, nothing was created
That is not eternal: and eternally I endure.
Abandon all hope, you that enter here.


The Divine Comedy
by Dante Alighieri
Inferno: canto 3, v.1-9


Dante's poetic epic is called a comedy because it has a happy ending as opposed to a tragedy; at least for Dante anyway. The souls he and Virgil pass along the way through the Inferno portion of Dante's odyssey will never, nor anon, have a happy ending; hence the sign above the entrance to his netherworld: "Abandon all hope, you that enter here."

Webster's defines "despair' as: to no longer have any hope or belief that a situation will improve or change. Well; down in the Inferno section of Dante's concept, despair is a way of life.

One of the hardest concepts to get across is the despair that people in hell must feel in knowing that their situation is a sealed fate with no hope of relief. Dante's odyssey, though of course fiction, is useful for that purpose; especially when it's accompanied by illustrations painted by Gustave Doré.

Jesus warned people that they'd be better off facing eternity with their hands and their feet amputated, and their eyes gouged out, then to end up in a hell he called geena; a much worse place than haides. So in my estimation, Dante's descriptions, and Gustave's paintings, though disturbing enough in themselves, aren't sufficient to impress just how terrible the ultimate hell really is.


TALLY UPDATE: 2 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 121,818 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Sep 07, 2018 - 07:36:33
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People have been filtering into perdition not only since the time of Christ, but since before the Step Pyramid of Djoser, and even before the Flood. I won't speculate how many years that might be, but h.sapiens is thought by some to have achieved full behavioral modernity something like 50,000 years ago. (There's new findings suggesting that human existence goes as far back as 150-300,000 years) Anyway; whether that extends clear on back to Adam and Eve I have no clue; but just think: if it does, then Cain and others from his era have been down in the netherworld all this time.

It's difficult for the human mind to appreciate 50,000 years let alone 300,000. I've been on the Earth for just 74, and I've noticed that my childhood is so far in the past to me now as to seem more like a fantasy than a memory. But you know; when you're talking about eternity, 50,000 years isn't even a drop in the bucket. If it were a drop in the bucket, it would be a bucket with no bottom; which is roughly akin to the futility of a gnat attempting to drink up the Atlantic ocean.

But just think: time stands still in hell: it's for the now; it's an existence. People who arrived there yesterday didn't begin doing time in jail like Lindsay Lohan expecting to get out some day; nor is perdition a temporary tour of duty like shipping out to Afghanistan. No, people in hell are in it as perpetual residents; they're in a rut.

They go year, after year, after year, after year, with no relief from the discomfort: no vacations, no recreation, no reading materials, and no hobbies-- there's absolutely nothing to do but reminisce. The mental atrophy, and the boredom that must result from that kind of mindless existence is beyond estimation.

In life, everybody enjoys God's blessings; even the really bad people. We're all breathing fresh air, basking in sunshine, drinking cool water, savoring tasty foods, listening to birds chirp, star gazing at night, throwing snow balls at each other in winter, river rafting, fishing, snow skiing, tending gardens, pruning shrubs, greeting friends during the holidays, spending days with grandkids; and all that sort of thing. In the Bible's hell, there are no blessings of any kind at all: only perpetual sadness, vexation, despair, and want.

In hell's unruly society; it's reasonable to expect quarrels, bickering, hard feelings, vendettas, rivalry, selfishness, insensitivity, irritation, aggravation, and ugly words exchanged between people. Is there really any good reason to be courteous and/or respect your fellow man's human rights in the Bible's hell; or to be kind, forgiving, affable, genial, courteous, cordial, charitable, altruistic, tolerant, generous, and patient? I was once discussing the netherworld with a co-worker and he remarked: "Hell won't be so bad; I'll have plenty of friends down there". Yes, he probably will have lots of friends in hell; but I really don't think he should count on them being friendly.

And the din: think of the volume of noise down there with all the wailing and sobbing, and the screams, shrieks, yelps, howls, and gnashing teeth. I can only imagine how annoying it must be in hell with its thousands and millions of people making all that kind of racket.

But just imagine bringing with you a craving for tobacco with none available. Or longing for a cocktail with no liquor in sight. A desire for music, with no way to produce it. A skill for writing, with no pen and paper. Yearning for a walk out in nature, with no world to do it in.

People in hell will never again smell a sea breeze, sit in the shade of a tree, take deep breaths of mountain-fresh air, play at sports, hear a bird chirp, see a sunset, watch a lunar eclipse, jog in the park, strum a guitar, enjoy a Christmas dinner with loved ones; nor make little pigs of themselves gobbling barbecued spare ribs and corn on the 4th of July.

Sports and recreation are gone: no more World Series, no more Super Bowl, no more Olympics, no more Las Vegas, no more Indian casinos, no more lottery, no more Lego World, no more Sea World, no more NASCAR, no more golf, no more surfing, et al.

No baths, no showers, no sleep, no TV, no radio, no iPods, no computers, no Twitter, no texting, no FaceBook, no Instagram, no YouTube, no MySpace, no internet, no clean sheets, no breakfast, no lunch, and no dinner. No snacks, no gum, no candy, no flowers, no parks, no rivers, no snow, no seasons, no picnics, no malls, no fast food, no trades, no careers, no trendy fashions, no jewelry, no cosmetics, no concerts, no operas, and no hobbies; absolutely nothing of this world that brings people the pleasures and the satisfactions of just being alive.


TALLY UPDATE: 4 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 243,636 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Sep 09, 2018 - 08:24:59
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● Jonah 1:17 . . Jonah was in the belly of a fish for three days and three nights

Q: Was Jonah alive in the fish?

A: Yes. (Jonah 2:1)

Q: The whole time?

A: No.

At some point in his nautical adventure Jonah went to a place called sheol (Jonah 2:2) which he sited at the bottoms of the mountains. (Jonah 2:6)

Well; the bottoms of the mountains aren't located in the tummies of fish, no; they're located down deep in the earth. So, the only way that Jonah could possibly be at the bottoms of the mountains while in the belly of a fish at the same time was for the man and his body to part company and go their separate ways.

Just before being cast ashore, Jonah prayed thus:

● Jonah 2:6 . .To the bottoms of the mountains I went down. As for the earth, its bars were upon me for time indefinite. But out of the pit you proceeded to bring up my life, O Jehovah my God.

The Hebrew word for "pit" in that verse is the very same word for pit in Ps 16:8-10; which Acts 2:25-31 verifies is speaking of putrefaction. In other words: Jonah 2:6 tells of Jonah's resurrection. (There's reason to believe that Jonah was already dead from drowning in the sea's depths before the fish showed up to swallow him.)

Christ underwent the very same afterlife experience as Jonah's. The only real difference between the two was that Christ's grave was in a rock while Jonah's grave was in a fish.

The key points in their experiences are that both were dead, both went to the bottoms of the mountains while their corpse reposed in a grave, and both were resurrected within three days and three nights. (Matt 12:40)

Q: What does the story of Jonah have to do with hell?

A: It's widely believed that when people die they cease to exist. Well; were that belief a fact; then Jesus would've ceased to exist when he passed away on the cross. As a result: he would not have been resurrected back to life, instead, Jesus would've been created back to life. Jonah's experience proves that Jesus continued to exist out of body when he pass away; and if he and Jonah did, then everyone else does too.


TALLY UPDATE: 6 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 365,454 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Sep 11, 2018 - 07:19:24
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● Ps 146:3-4 . . Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Some people honestly believe the passage above teaches that people cease to exist when they pass away; but were their belief true, then Christ would've ceased to exist when he passed away on the cross and in order to restore the Lord's body back to life, it would've necessary to create him back to existence. No; I'm pretty sure it's saying something very different. It's not talking about consciousness. Here's a much better way to say it.

"When their breathing stops, they return to the earth, and in a moment all their plans come to an end."

Consider all those people who perished in the World Trade Center, in the Japan and Indonesia tsunamis, and the Haiti earthquake. None of them woke that day planning on it being their last on earth. No, on the contrary; they had people to see, places to go, and things to do: but before the day ended; whatever was on their minds lost its importance-- their priorities went right out the window and became no more significant than green cheese on the moon.

All their plans, their dreams, their schedules, their appointments, their schemes, their problems, their aspirations, and their loves went right down the tubes as they were suddenly confronted with a whole new reality to cope with.

While preparing for a new world tour, Michael Jackson died in his sleep. As a result; his tour wrapped on the spot.

When my eldest nephew was paroled from prison; he quit drinking, and began going to college with the goal towards becoming a counselor. For 2½ years all went well. His parole officer was happy, and my nephew was on track and getting good grades. His future looked assured. And then on the morning of Sept 25, 2015, he dropped dead to the floor of natural causes. As a result; his college education, and his hope to become a counselor, dropped dead to the floor right with him.


TALLY UPDATE: 8 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 487,272 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Sep 13, 2018 - 07:48:53
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Here in America, even the worst among the worst have the right to a lawyer, and if they can't afford one, the system will appoint a public defender for them.

But in hell; people are abandoned. For example: the names of Abraham and Lazarus are given in Luke 16:19-31, but the rich man's name isn't given. He's a forgotten man; but not me.

● Rom 8:33-34 . . Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus who died? More than that, who was raised to life; who is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us?

I will not stand before God alone; but that nameless rich man? He will.


TALLY UPDATE: 10 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 609,090 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Sep 15, 2018 - 07:16:18
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Creeping up the blind side, shinning up the wall,
stealing through the dark of the night.
Climbing through a window, stepping to the floor
checking to the left and the right.
Picking up the pieces, putting them away;
something doesn't feel quite right.

Help me someone, let me out of here.
Then out of the dark was suddenly heard:
Welcome to the Home by the Sea

Coming out the woodwork, through the open door,
pushing from above and below.
Shadows with no substance, in the shape of men;
round and down and sideways they go.
Adrift without direction, eyes that hold despair
then as one they sigh and they moan:

Help us someone, let us out of here.
Living here so long undisturbed,
dreaming of the time we were free
so many years ago
before the time when we first heard:
Welcome to the Home by the Sea

Sit down . . Sit down
As we relive our lives in what we tell you

Images of sorrow, pictures of delight
things that go to make up a life.
Endless days of summer, longer nights of gloom
waiting for the morning light.
Scenes of unimportance, photos in a frame
things that go to make up a life.

Sit down . . Sit down
Cause you won't get away,
no; with us you will stay
for the rest of your days.
So sit down as we relive our lives in what we tell you.
Let us relive our lives in what we tell you.


Home By The Sea
Genesis, 1983
Phil Collins, Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford


The lyrics of that song are useful for depicting how one of the few thing that some people have to do down in the netherworld to help pass the time is tell each other about their previous lives. There is, of course, nothing to tell about their lives down there since the colloquialism "get a life" is a non sequitur in that place. Nobody has a life; nor any hope of getting one.

TALLY UPDATE: 12 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 730,908 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: Amo on Sat Sep 15, 2018 - 10:53:29
Good thing the immortality of the soul is a lie, the first lie told to humanity in fact by the evil one himself. If it were true, God would of course be far more evil than the devil himself, having created countless billions for no other purpose than to burn them throughout the endless ages of eternity. The dead are asleep as scripture plainly states from one end to the other, and the wicked will perish as it plainly states as well.


Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Sep 17, 2018 - 07:48:52
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Saturday, June 27, 2010, a 6-month-old baby girl was killed and her mother seriously injured when the pair were struck by a falling tree branch in New York City's Central Park Zoo. The girl's father was taking their picture near the sea lion exhibit when a branch above them suddenly snapped off and fell.

Tuesday, July 3, 2007; nineteen year-old Ramiro Gonzalez was returning home to Nyssa Oregon from a week-end honeymoon in northern California with his bride Idalia asleep in the back seat when their 1997 Pontiac Grand Am hit a cow twenty miles east of Burns. The Pontiac went off the road, through a fence, and burst into flames. Idalia escaped with only minor injuries, but Ramiro died at the Ste. Charles Medical Center in Bend the very next day.

Ramiro and his bride didn't get to live in a home of their own for even one single minute of their marriage-- never had a baby, never joined the PTA, never saved for college, never went to ballet lessons, nor to soccer or little league, never went on family picnics, never took home movies and photos at Christmas, Easter, or birthdays, never went to the beach and built sand castles --no, their entire future, and all their dreams of family life, were shattered in an instant by a lame-brained bovine; and Ramiro wasn't even 20 years old yet. He could've lived another fifty years.

March 20, 2008; fifty-seven year old Judy Kay Zagorski, of Pigeon, Michigan, was sitting in the front seat of her father's boat going 25 knots on the Atlantic Ocean side of Vaca Key in Florida, when a Spotted Eagle Ray, with a wingspan of 5 to 6 feet; leaped up out of the water-- for who knows what reason --and collided with Zagorski, knocking her backwards onto the deck of the boat. She died from the impact. Judy's sister, standing next to her, wasn't injured.

On a November morning in 1998, Alan Pakula climbed into his Volvo station wagon and began the 100-mile drive from Manhattan to his Long Island house. The acclaimed movie director of Sophie's Choice, All The President's Men, and The Pelican Brief, had made that trip countless times with no incident.

As the 70 year-old Pakula neared exit 49 on the Long Island Expressway just before noon, the tires of a vehicle ahead of him flipped a 7-foot piece of steel rod into the air. Within seconds, the rod shot through Pakula's windshield, smashing into his forehead, killing him almost instantly.

Death often comes when people least expect it. As a rule, they don't usually get up in the morning planning it to be their last day on earth. The 169,752 killed, and 127,294 listed as missing in more than eleven countries by the tsunami of 2004, were taken by surprise, and given no warning it was to be their last day on earth.

The 2,829 people who perished in a terrorist attack on the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, and the 189 who died in the Pentagon, didn't go in to work expecting their lives to end before lunch that day. No, people's lives often end while they still have obligations and commitments, aspirations, things to do, places to go, and people to see; when a car accident, train wreck, act of nature, plane crash, crime, heart attack, or stroke puts an abrupt end to every plan they ever made.

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010, a 7.0 earthquake struck Port au Prince Haiti right out of the blue subsequently causing the loss of more than 200,000 lives. A similar act of nature on March 11, 2011, left 25,000 dead and/or missing in Japan.

Okeechobee woman Dawn Johnston, 38, was killed Wednesday June 30, 2010 after part of a portable toilet crashed through her car's windshield. Dawn was driving south on SR 15 shortly after 11 a.m. when two portable toilets fell from the trailer of a pickup truck traveling north,. The portable toilets shattered when they hit the road, and a piece of one of them crashed through the woman's windshield, striking her. Johnston's car then veered off the road and collided with a tree.

A rain-saturated hillside above the Stillaguamish River on the outskirts of the rural town of Oso in the State of Washington gave way March 22, 2014 leaving behind a current death toll of 41 souls. The landslide happened to suddenly and so rapidly that nobody saw it coming and/or had the slightest chance of getting out of the way. Listed among the dead and missing was a four-month old infant.

Freak incidents like those listed above can happen to anybody in the form of a stray bullet from a drive-by, lightening strike, gas explosion, choking on a piece of meat, electrocution, earthquake, a drunk driver, a fall in the bath tub; bricks dropped from an overpass, a school shooting, or any number of out-of-the-blue surprises.

Because of the uncertainty of tomorrow, people need to start thinking about the afterlife today, while they have the chance; rather than risk being caught off guard by sudden death when there will be no time to think; and they find themselves suddenly thrust into the unseen world quite by surprise.

● Ecc 9:12 . . No man knows when his hour will come: as fish are caught in a cruel net, or birds are taken in a snare, so men are trapped by evil times that fall unexpectedly upon them.


TALLY UPDATE: 14 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 852,726 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Sep 19, 2018 - 06:24:16
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According to Matt 10:28, the body and the soul are perishable. However; though the body is perishable by any means, the soul is perishable only by divine means; i.e. the deaths of body and soul aren't necessarily simultaneous, viz: the soul lives on until such a time as God decides to give it either a thumb up or a thumb down.


TALLY UPDATE: 16 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 974,544 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Sep 21, 2018 - 07:06:10
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● Mark 9:47-48 . . If your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out. It is better to enter the kingdom of God half blind than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell; where the worm never dies and the fire never goes out.

The "hell" in that passage is a different Greek word than the "hell" of Luke 16:19-31. That one is haides (hah'-dace) which is an afterlife sphere where all the dead go; both the good dead and the bad dead regardless of age, race, color, gender or religious preference. This word here in Mark is geena (gheh'-en-nah) which is where only the bad dead will end up some day: likely the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:11-15

Anyway; Christ's instructions didn't reveal anything new. He simply reiterated information that had already been released by an Old Testament prophet roughly 700 years before.

● Isa 66:22-24 . . From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me-- speaks the Lord. And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against Me: their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.

That rather ghastly scene depicts a sort of tourist attraction similar to the La Brea Tar Pits museum in Los Angeles where the remains of prehistoric creatures, excavated from ancient asphalt deposits, are on display.

A worm that thrives in flame is pretty amazing, but not unreasonable. The 4-inch Pompeii worm lives in sea water temperatures of 176° Fahrenheit; hot enough to kill salmonella and sanitize an egg. So I guess if God could create a worm like the Pompeii, it shouldn't be too difficult for Him to create worms that like it even warmer.

Q: The human body is organic. So then, how can it survive in flame as perpetual nourishment for those worms?

A: The laws of nature are not absolute. They were created in the first chapter of Genesis to control the behavior of created matter, and as such are easily manipulated by the one who designed them.

For example: fire totally incinerated the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah but left unscathed a desert shrub that Moses encountered in the Sinai outback while tending his father-in-law's sheep. (Ex 3:1-3)

Compare Dan 3:8-27 where a blistering hot fire didn't even so much as singe the clothing of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego while slaying the guards that threw them in the furnace.

Q: Won't the worms eventually exhaust their food supply?

A: There are incidents in the Bible where small amounts of food stuffs were miraculously multiplied. One example is 1Kgs 17:8-16 where a tiny bit of flour and oil nourished Elijah and a widow woman, and her son, for a good many days during a time of prolonged drought.

Another incident is at 2Kgs 4:1-7 where a certain widow's husband died and left her deeply in debt. God multiplied her last pot of oil sufficiently to sell enough to pay off her debts, thereby saving her two sons from slavery.

No; I'm pretty sure those worms won't need to worry about running out of human remains with which to sustain themselves.


TALLY UPDATE: 18 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 1,096,362 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Sep 23, 2018 - 09:20:26
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● Ecc 1:2-4 . . Meaningless! Futile! complains the Teacher. Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless. What does a man gain from all his labor at which he toils under the sun? Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever.

The earth is dumber than a spatula; yet easily outlives its human potentate whose IQ is infinitely greater. Take for example the great granite monuments in Yosemite Valley. Tourists to the valley come, and tourists to the valley go; and one day the grim reaper catches up with those tourists and they're gone; yet Yosemite's great stones abide decade after decade; century after century.

Most children born this day will be dead in 100 years; and Yosemite won't even notice. Though a child born today may be intelligent enough to eventually understand quantum mechanics and play classical guitar like Andrés Segovia; yet Yosemite's sentinels-- stupid, mute, and uneducated --will easily outlast it.

● Ecc 2:15-16 . . I thought in my heart: The fate of the fool will overtake me also. What then do I gain by being intelligent? I said in my heart: This is meaningless. For the intelligent man, like the fool, will not be long remembered-- in days to come both will be forgotten. Like the fool, the intelligent man too must die.


TALLY UPDATE: 20 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 1,218,180 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Sep 25, 2018 - 09:11:53
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Judas goats are trained for use in slaughterhouses and herd control. In stockyards, they lead sheep to slaughter; and are also used to lead other animals to specific pens and on to trucks. The term is a reference to the biblical traitor Judas Iscariot.

The phrase has also been used to describe goats utilized to locate feral goats targeted for eradication. They're usually outfitted with a transmitter, painted in red and then released. The goats then locate the remaining herds of feral goats, allowing hunters with tracking devices to find and exterminate them. The red paint marks the goat with the transmitter so the hunters know which one not to shoot.

You know what can be even worse than going to hell? Your own children following you there: and they trusted you.

Here's a sort of cute story I heard once. I don't know if it's true but I guess it's probable.

A farmer went out to the barn in the dead of night after a snowfall to sneak a pull from his liquor bottle. Just as he got to the barn door he heard something behind him. Turning, the farmer recognized his little boy coming towards him. In amazement he asked the little guy how he ever managed to find his way out to the barn in the dark. His son replied: It was easy; I walked in your footprints.

One can only imagine the anguish that parents in the netherworld must feel knowing that they inadvertently raised their children in an ideology that led them down the road to hell and all the while sincerely believing themselves doing the right thing. In other words: they actually Judas-goated their children to follow mom and dad down there. For some families, the only thing they have to look forward to in the afterlife is a sad reunion in fire and despair.


TALLY UPDATE: 22 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 1,339,998 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Sep 27, 2018 - 20:44:36
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● Luke 16:25 . . Abraham said: Son, remember

I should think that one of the negative aspects of hell is memory. How people down there retain their memories sans the brain cells they left behind with their corpse, I don't know; but they do, just as the rich man in that story is able to experience thirst sans a flesh and blood tongue.

The older one gets, the more memories they accumulate, and many of those memories haunt us with terrible regret. However, people in hell not only have to cope with their bad memories, but also the good ones too, and I should think it's remembering the good things they enjoyed in life that makes their situation only worse in the heat.

If everybody was born and raised in hell; and never once ventured out; that would be the only life they've ever known, so they wouldn't have a clue what it's like to really live. For them the old maxim "Ignorance is bliss" would certainly hold true.


TALLY UPDATE: 24 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 1,461,816 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: Ginger Rella on Fri Sep 28, 2018 - 10:33:17
Am I there yet?

Reading your posts it seems I may be.

Do I have a choice?

Reading your posts it seems I do not.

Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Sep 29, 2018 - 09:02:14
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● Gen 6:5 . . God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

The thoughts of the heart are somewhat different than the thoughts that go through the mind; and are often blocked out, viz: "repressed"; defined as a mental process by which distressing thoughts, memories, or impulses that may give rise to anxiety are excluded from consciousness and left to operate in the unconscious, i.e. the subconscious which, in Freud's opinion, is a repository for socially unacceptable ideas, wishes or desires, traumatic memories, and painful emotions.

● Matt 15:19 . . Out of the heart proceed evil thoughts

So then, it's not how your mind works that defines you, no, it's how your heart works that really defines you; and a man's heart is easily capable of hoodwinking his own consciousness.

● Jer 17:9 . .The human heart is most deceitful and desperately wicked. Who really knows how bad it is?

God is able to peer into the heart's contents. That means He will be confronting people with things about themselves that they suppressed and kept under wraps all their lives; and that's why I sometimes say only a fool would take their chances with God. They have no clue the extent of the psychological tsunami they're walking into.


TALLY UPDATE: 26 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 1,583,634 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Oct 01, 2018 - 18:23:51
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There was a time when everyone went to the netherworld when they passed away: Jesus too because when he passed away on the cross; Jesus didn't go up, rather, he went down. (Matt 12:40, John 20:17, Acts 7:25-31).

When we take into consideration everybody who ever lived and died on this planet beginning with Adam until the day when people started going to heaven; then we're talking about a very large number of people. How did they all fit in the netherworld without overcrowding?

Well; it's evident that people exist in the afterlife as spirits. (Heb 12:22-23, 1Pet 3:18-20).

The feral man of Mark 5:1-13 and Luke 8:26-33 was possessed by a community of evil spirits who labeled themselves Legion. Webster's defines a legion as the principal unit of the Roman army comprising 3,000 to 6,000 foot soldiers with cavalry.

The legion of spirits that Christ exorcised from the man went out and possessed a herd of about 2,000 swine. That's a pretty good example of how spirits take up no room in the physical world; nor do they crowd each other. All 3,000-6,000 of those spirits managed to fit inside the bodily cargo area of just that one man.

That being the case, then the netherworld need not be a void. People can exist down there in solid rock because spirits don't need space, they just need a place.


NOTE: Any attempt to drill down to the heart of the Earth in search of the netherworld would be futile because it isn't a physical world, rather, it's a spirit world. Drilling could, and would, pass right through the very center of the netherworld and still not find it.

TALLY UPDATE: 28 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 1,705,452 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Oct 03, 2018 - 08:22:33
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OBJECTION: Classical Christianity's hell doesn't make sense that a loving God would torment people in a fiery prison forever and ever.

RESPONSE: The human common sense is produced by a 3-pound lump of flabby organic tissue; and not even all three of those pounds are devoted to cognitive processes. On top of that, those three pounds are 60% fat. That fatty, flabby, organic tissue can alter one's personality with little more than an aneurism or a blow to the head.

Just how sensible can a fatty, flabby, organic sense really be compared to the sense of a supernatural being with enough intelligence to invent, design, and construct a fully functioning cosmos with all of its forms of life, matter, and energy? A fatty, flabby, organic sense isn't even a dunce in comparison: it's a sub dunce; if even that.

● 1Cor 3:20 . .The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are empty.

Well; that's certainly not a very flattering evaluation. It's as much as saying that, in God's opinion, the smartest among humanity basically consists of air heads; and if that's His evaluation of the best and brightest, then where does God rank those of us with an average IQ?


TALLY UPDATE: 30 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 1,827,270 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Oct 05, 2018 - 07:25:54
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The human body is fragile; so much so that even something as thin as the air can snuff it out.

● Isa 40:6-7 . . All flesh is grass, and all its grace is like the blossom of the field. The grass shall dry out, the blossom shall wilt, for a wind from the Lord has blown upon it; behold the people is grass.

According to a report released on March 25, 2014 by the World Health Organization; air pollution kills, on average, seven million people per annum; and is linked to one in eight deaths (12.5%) world-wide. Think of it. That percentage represents approximately 940.6 million deaths linked to air pollution per annum out of a currently estimated 7.52+ billion people.

According to a report by the public health agency of the United Nations; an estimated 4.3 million people in developing countries died in 2012 as a result of indoor air pollution, mostly from cooking inside with coal or wood stoves.

Air pollution is so lethal because it exacerbates other conditions like cardio vascular diseases, cancer, and respiratory illnesses. Were people with those conditions permitted to breathe clean air free of hazardous chemicals and toxic particulates, they would live longer; thus the arrival times of many tagged for the infernal regions would be delayed so they could enjoy life a bit longer before beginning an eternity of perpetual anguish.


TALLY UPDATE: 32 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 1,949,088 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Oct 07, 2018 - 09:13:24
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The wrath of God is interesting. For example:

● Isa 13:9 . . Behold, the day of Christ comes-- cruel; with both wrath and fierce anger

The Hebrew word for "wrath" in that statement is 'ebrah (eb-raw') which indicates an outburst of passion. In other words: the wrath of God won't be weeping big wet crocodile tears while it's slamming the dead at the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15; no, they will be terminated with extreme prejudice; viz: their judgment will be administered with choler. (cf. Isa 63:1-6, Rev 19:15)

Webster's defines "fierce" as a behavior exhibited by humans and animals that inspires terror because of the wild and menacing aspect of fury in attack. Ferocity is an aspect commonly seen among roaring, snarling lions savagely attacking prey. There's neither sportsmanship nor sympathy in ferocity; only sheer terror, brutality, and blood lust.

"cruel" is defined as: disposed to inflict pain or suffering; viz: devoid of humane feelings

● Heb 10:27 . . A certain fearful expectation of . . . fiery indignation

"fiery indignation" is quite a bit more severe than ordinary indignation. It speaks of someone who is seriously ticked off; and so angry that they're actually red in the face.

There are people out there in pews all around the world who have been so coddled by sappy versions of Christianity that they have no concept of the magnitude of the lethal tsunami of rage and violence coming their way to get them.

Another interesting aspect of the wrath of God is the person appointed to administer it-- none other than the sweet little baby away in a manger.

● John 5:22-23 . .The Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father.

● Acts 17:31 . . For God has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead.

● Rev 19:15 . . He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.


TALLY UPDATE: 34 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 2,070,906 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Oct 09, 2018 - 07:09:50
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● 2Thes 2:11-12 . . God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

In other words: there's coming a time when God's patience will reach its reasonable limits, and He will purposely, willfully, and deliberately make sure that a certain category of people have no chance whatsoever to be spared the wrath of God.

Back when Noah was preparing the ark, no doubt his neighbors all mocked and poked fun at him like one of those deranged souls that go around with a sandwich board that reads: Repent; The End Is Near! But when the rain started, I bet those very same neighbors panicked and tried to get Noah to open up and let them in. But even had Noah wanted to; he couldn't. The hatch of the ark was sealed from the outside: and God was the only one on earth who could open it-- He chose not to.

● Rev 1:18 . . I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

● Rev 3:7 . .These are the words of him who is holy and true: who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.


TALLY UPDATE: 36 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 2,192,724 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Oct 11, 2018 - 07:31:19
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● Acts 2:31a . . his soul was not left in hell

The Greek word for "hell" in that verse is haides (hah'-dace) which essentially means unseen. It refers to an afterlife situation irrespective of one's goodness or badness and regardless of age, race, religion, or gender.

Classical haides is divided into sections where the souls of the dead are assigned in accordance with the quality of their pre-death existence. The worst section is a deep abyss called Tartarus; which is utilized in the New Testament at 2Pet 2:4.

According to Luke 23:13, Jesus' soul vacationed in the better section of haides.

● Acts 2:31 . . neither his flesh did see corruption.

Jesus' corpse was packed in spices but to my knowledge, not embalmed. Had it been allowed to remain deceased longer than three days, decay would've set in. (John 11:39.


TALLY UPDATE: 38 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 2,314,542 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Oct 13, 2018 - 07:08:17
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A forgiven sinner is still sinful, and they'll go right on sinning same as before they were forgiven unless they undergo a radical re-design because human nature is intrinsically bad.

● Gen 6:5 . .Yhvh saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.

● Gen 8:21 . . Man's thoughts and actions are bent toward evil from childhood.

● Jer 13:23 . . Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Then may you also do good who are accustomed to do evil.

● Eph 2:3 . .We were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

"You should not be surprised at my saying: you must be born again." (John 3:7)

Well; in light of the passages above, it's certainly no surprise to me that people need to be brought to life all over again from scratch; and I'm not talking about reincarnation; no, I'm talking about an upgrade to the very core of their being so that they would, by nature, be the children of heaven rather than the children of hell.


TALLY UPDATE: 40 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 2,436,360 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Oct 15, 2018 - 08:56:57
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Probably the first thing that most of us think of when we hear the word "hell" is everlasting torture. But the reservoir of burning sulfur depicted at Rev 20:10-15 is actually not so much a rack as it is a gallows. The reservoir is primarily an instrument for carrying out death sentences rather than life sentences.

A death sentence-- although a sentence with lasting effects --isn't perpetual; it's momentary. In other words: criminals are subjected to execution only long enough to end their lives. The primary reason we call the second death "eternal" is because it's permanent; viz: according to Dan 12:2 and John 5:28-29 there's only one resurrection allotted per person. Therefore nobody is coming back from the second death because they will have used up their one resurrection in order to face justice at the Great White Throne event.


NOTE: People walk away alive from the fire spoken of at 1Cor 3:5-15. Nobody walks away alive from the fire spoken of at Rev 20:10-15.

TALLY UPDATE: 42 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 2,558,178 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Oct 17, 2018 - 14:24:13
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Human existence on earth is a composite of body, soul, and spirit. (Gen 2:7, 1Thes 5:23, Heb 4:12)

The body and the soul are readily destroyed by means of hell fire (Matt 10:28) but I have yet to come across a passage in the Bible teaching that the spirit is destroyed by that means; or by any means for that matter.

In what condition people will exist in the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:11-15 minus a human body and a human soul I don't know. It might be that the human spirit is transferrable. What if God is able to move people's spirit around at will and attach it to a body and soul other than a human body and soul; say, the body and soul of a demonic being? The very thought of such a possibility is disturbing.


TALLY UPDATE: 44 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 2,679,996 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Oct 19, 2018 - 09:26:38
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COMMON ATTITUDE: I'm special; God understands me. Although He probably may not let others off; I'm sure God will make an exception for me because I'm not like other people; I'm different.

RESPONSE: Unfortunately, the Bible's God can't do that. If He were to make exceptions, God would be neither equitable, nor honest-- and worse, it would go against His grain, compromise His integrity, sin against His conscience; and cause Him to lose the world's respect. No, God doesn't grade on a curve: everyone is treated equally in God's courtroom. In a system of divine absolutes; there is neither a curve nor an exception: nobody gets any favors, nobody is special, and nobody is a protected species.

● Deut 10:17 . . Yhvh shows no partiality and accepts no bribes.

● Acts 10:34 . .Then Peter began to speak: I now realize how true it is that God is impartial.

● Rom 2:5-11 . . For there is coming a day of judgment when God, the just judge of all the world, will judge all people according to what they have done. He will give eternal life to those who persist in doing what is good, seeking after the glory and honor and immortality that God offers.

. . . But he will pour out his anger and wrath on those who live for themselves, who refuse to obey the truth; and practice evil deeds. There will be anguish and calamity for everyone who practices evil-- for the Jew first and also for the Gentile. But there will be glory and honor and peace from God for all practice good --for the Jew first and also for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.


TALLY UPDATE: 46 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 2,801,814 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Oct 21, 2018 - 10:52:21
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Q: Doesn't the Bible say that God's mercy endures forever as per Ps 100:5, Ps 106:1, Ps 107:1, and Ps 118:1, et al?

A: God's mercy is always available; but His good sense knows when to say when. Examples of that are the people swept away by the hand of God in the Flood, and those burned to death by the hand of God in Sodom and Gomorrah; and the firstborn of man and beast slain by the hand of God on Passover night in Egypt.

It's possible to push God too far. For example:

● Hos 4:17 . . Ephraim is joined to idols; let him alone.

In other words: God instructed the prophet Hosea not to bother preaching in Ephraim. They were too far gone.


TALLY UPDATE: 48 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 2,923,632 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Oct 23, 2018 - 12:05:13
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● Jonah 4:9-11 . . God said to Jonah: Do you have a right to be angry about the vine? I do; he said. I am angry enough to die. But the Lord said: You have been concerned about this vine, though you did not tend it or make it grow. It sprang up overnight and died overnight. But Nineveh has more than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left, and many cattle as well. Should I not be concerned about that great city?

Had not the adults of Nineveh changed their ways from Jonah's preaching, 120,000 small children would have died through no fault of their own. They would have been collateral damage due to their parents' decadence.


NOTE: Though the city was spared in Jonah's day, a hundred years later in Nahum's day it was destroyed by means of war and conquest; whereby a whole new generation of pre-schoolers died before their time.

Just exactly how God is able to engineer such things is a bit of a mystery; but does make one wonder where else this terrifying work of His goes on. Did God somehow have a hand in the American civil war, and the first and second world wars, and the Holocaust, and in Korea and Vietnam, and in the so-called Arab Spring, and in the pandemics, the ethnic cleansings, ISIS, the housing bubble, and the genocides of the last century, and in natural events like mighty earthquakes, tsunamis, and super storms? I really have to wonder sometimes because Jonah's God is still out there somewhere; and so-called acts of God are still taking young lives.


TALLY UPDATE: 50 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 3,045,450 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Oct 25, 2018 - 10:27:10
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The ordeal that Christ endured on the cross was so brief that it looks like child's play in comparison to the misery of souls in hell. His suffering barely lasted six hours (Mark 15:25, Matt 27:46-50) not even one whole day. People in hell go day, after day, after day, after day, after day, infinitum.

Q: But if Christ suffered only six hours, how can he possibly atone for people facing an eternity in hell?

A: It wasn't his torture that atoned for humanity's sins; it was the loss of his life that did the trick. Christ didn't have to go to the flames himself in order to rescue people from that terrible fate; no, he only had to die in accordance with the law of sin and death.

● Rom 6:23 . .The wages of sin is death

Individual human lives are of such low value that the most that anybody could hope to die for is just one sin. In most cases; that leaves a pretty large balance to atone for. In contrast; the value of the life of God's son is such that his death can atone for an infinite number of everybody's sins.

● 1Pet 1:18-20 . . For you know that God paid a ransom to save you from the empty life you inherited from your ancestors. And the ransom he paid was not mere gold or silver. He paid for you with the precious lifeblood of Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God.

Peter called the blood of Christ two things: a ransom and precious, meaning it's like rare jewels and metals; very pricey. Nobody else's life is nearly as valuable as Christ's life. Peter would never call regular human life rare and pricey. Ordinary human lives are wholesale: they're cheap as the grass (Isa 40:6-7, 1Pet 1:24) just a dime a dozen and quite useless for redemption purposes.

Christ's life is the only life God will accept for multiple sins: and the alternative is infinite punishment because no amount of limited punishment can ever equal the value of Christ's blood because not only is a life like Christ's rare, but his is the only one like it in existence. (cf. Rom 3:9-20, Heb 4:15, 1Pet 2:22, 1John 3:9)

Serial sinners are up a creek with no paddle because they have but two lives to forfeit for sin-- the life they have now, and the one they'll have later at their resurrection; but unfortunately, one of those lives is ear-marked for Adam's sin so they can't use it to atone for any of their own sins. And when they're resurrected to stand trial at the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15; that'll be their last life because according to Dan 12:2 and John 5:28-29 there's only one resurrection allotted per person. And since the Bible's ratio is one life per one sin, then serial sinners will come up short and never have sufficient lives to atone for a lifetime's accumulation of sins.

The dungeons of hell can be compared to a debtor's prison.

● Matt 5:25-26 . .Come to terms quickly with your adversary before it is too late and you are dragged into court, handed over to an officer, and thrown in jail. I assure you that you won't be free again until you have paid the last penny.

The reason that hell is a debtor's prison is because the only payment for one's sins that God will accept is death. Well; it's death for each sin. So if somebody has say, 200 sins to answer for, they'll only be able to pay for one because according to Dan 12:2 & John 5:28-29 there is but one resurrection allotted per person; not 200.

If absolute justice could be satisfied with torture, then hell's inmates could look forward to a release date. But alas; such isn't to happen because the only "coinage" the Bible's God is in a position to accept in lieu of their own lives is His son's life.

Bottom line: Christ's crucifixion is the final option. Those who refuse to take advantage of it, will cross over to the other side in poverty; with literally no way in hell to pay their debts to God; thus they'll be permanently stuck in the wrong place.


TALLY UPDATE: 52 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 3,167,268 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Oct 27, 2018 - 08:27:35
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● Matt 10:28 . . Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Q: If somebody is already dead, then how can hell kill their body?

A: The current hell doesn't kill the human body because for now when people die, their bodies stay here rather than going there. But out ahead in the future; people in the current hell will be resurrected to face justice at the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15. It is then when people's bodies will be terminated by yet another hell; and since there is but one resurrection allotted per person (Dan 12:2, John 5:28-29) then nobody is ever coming back from that hell.


OBJECTION: The final hell is depicted as a lake of fire (Rev 20:11-15). Sorry; but it's impossible to liquefy flame

RESPONSE: It's also impossible to inundate the entire planet with a global flood. However, according to Rev 20:10 and Rev 21:8, the lake consists of not only fire; but also a substance called brimstone; which Webster's defines as sulfur.

Sulfur melts at 232.36º F and boils at 832.28º F. If sulfur's temperature is maintained in that range; it could easily suffice for an impoundment consisting of both flame and liquid.

Q: What's to prevent the lake's fire from consuming the sulfur?

A: The presence of fire doesn't always indicate combustion; for example the flames in Moses' bush were non consuming. (Ex 3:1-3). I think it's safe to assume that the fire related to the lake of fire is for heating purposes only rather than incinerating.


TALLY UPDATE: 54 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 3,289,086 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Oct 29, 2018 - 09:04:34
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Q: Do you not know it is the kindness of God that leads men to repentance rather than threats of justice? (Rom 2:4)

A: If the Bible's God weren't so kind, then He wouldn't bother with giving His creatures advance notice of the horror in store for them in the afterlife.

● Luke 12:4-5 . . And I say unto you my friends; Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear Him, which after He hath killed hath power to cast into Hell; yea, I say unto you fear Him.

Was Christ wrong to instill a fear of God within people's hearts? No; I think he was 110% justified. For example: when I was working as a professional welder for the US Army Corps of Engineers, we had weekly and monthly safety meetings wherein we were shown some grisly photographs of real life industrial accidents involving burns, chain saws, punctured eyes, explosions, falls, crane collapses, suffocation, crushing, and the like. Let me tell you something: those safety meetings got our attention, and really made a sharp distinction between the fool and the wise.

● Prv 22:3 . . A prudent person foresees the danger ahead and takes precautions; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.

The kindness of God has given the world fair and adequate notice of what to expect in the afterlife. Those who don't care about it one way or the other would be well advised to use what time they have remaining to begin preparing themselves for the worst when they cross over to the other side.


TALLY UPDATE: 56 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 3,410,904 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Oct 31, 2018 - 13:46:48
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Q: According to the Bible thumpers; it's a "must" to believe in Christ's gospel in order to be spared the wrath of God. How is that fair for peoples of the world who were never afforded an opportunity to hear it?

A: In April of 2018, I watched a movie on NetFlix called "Come Sunday" based upon the spiritual career of a Christian minister named Carlton D'metrius Pearson, DD.

Mr. Pearson underwent a crisis of faith due to pondering the fate of the millions of people in the world perishing in genocides, civil wars, and whatnot who never heard, nor ever would hear, Christ's gospel. It seemed thoroughly unreasonable to him that a reputedly merciful, loving God would condemn so many uninformed people to hell just because they didn't believe in a Jesus about whom many of them likely knew nothing about.

Mr. Pearson's solution to the problem was to simply do away with hell by insisting that classical Christianity's interpretation of the New Testament is incorrect; which is remarkable seeing as how he attended Oral Roberts University and was mentored by Oral Roberts himself.

But Mr. Pearson's thinking is a bit of a puzzle to me seeing as how he was seminary-trained. It seems to me that he should've been aware of the eternal gospel; which is actually Christ's gospel in an elementary form. It reads like this:

"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world." (Ps 19:1-4)

Paul referred to that passage. (Rom 1:18-21, Rom 10:18).

During the doomsday calamities depicted in the book of Revelation, a special angel will fly throughout the world proclaiming, not the cross, rather, a reiteration of Ps 19:1-4.

"Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth-- to every nation, tribe, language and people. He said in a loud voice: Fear God and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water." (Rev 14:6-7)

I'm confident that there will be a pretty large number of people whose future will be decided not on the basis of their response to a pulpit pounder's preaching, rather, their response to nature's preaching.


NOTE: In the movie; Mr. Pearson asks the question: Are we more merciful than God? Well; yes, of course we are. Humanity grants itself the liberty to circumvent justice; but God can't do that. In point of fact, were God at liberty to circumvent justice, then Christ's crucifixion was needless.

TALLY UPDATE: 58 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 3,532,722 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: lea on Wed Oct 31, 2018 - 14:36:09
Whew!  Any good news?  Jesus (Christianity) is the only religion where there is the Son of God offering eternal life. And from the Old Testament, the elect who were in the Book of Life.

Hell, I think, is only for the very evil. For how long? God is a just God. Only He knows and He's not telling me.

We don't need all the statistics. We should try to get as many "sinners" saved as possible.

Don't you agree?
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Nov 02, 2018 - 10:41:10
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Heaven is sometimes depicted as a mountain with any number of roads around the base heading towards the top. Well; classical Christianity accepts only one of those roads reaches the top; viz: the rest are dead-ends, loops, terraces, circles, and cul-de-sacs, i.e. no outlets and nowhere to go except round and around or back down the mountain.

Hell is depicted as a colossal pit, deep and wide, with many roads around the rim heading towards the bottom. Well; classical Christianity accepts that every one of those roads eventually merge into one big super expressway to the bottom.

● Matt 7:13-14 . . Wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

How many people of all ages, races, and genders does the quantity "many" represent? Well, according to my sources there are approximately:

50 thousand Scientologists
15 million Mormons
8.2 million Jehovah's Witnesses
7.8 million Baha'i
515.9 million Buddhists
451.3 million Chinese Folk Religionists
8.4 million Confucianists
258.5 million Ethnic Religionists
974.6 million Hindus
5.6 million Jains
1.7 billion Muslims
14.1 million Jews
64.2 million New Religionists
2.8 million Shintoists
24.9 million Sikhs
14.2 million Spiritists
8.7 million Taoists
1.1 billion Atheists/Agnostics

The grand total of just those categories is 5,174,700,000

If those figures are in the ball park, and if classical Christianity is the truth; then at least 69% of the earth's current population of 7.53 billion people are on a road to hell; and no doubt some of those are people we know: our friends, our relatives, and our associates.


NOTE: Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are Christians in accordance with Webster's definition; but not in the classical sense.

Joseph Smith's movement is a variation; in other words: there's some classical Christianity in Mormonism, but classical Christianity comprises only a portion of Mormonism. The rest of it is extreme, to say the least.

Neither do Jehovah's Witnesses qualify as Christians in the classical sense. Charles Taze Russell's movement is a variation too. There's some classical Christianity in the Watchtower Society's doctrines, but classical Christianity comprises only a portion of Russell's doctrines; and his slant on it is very peculiar.


TALLY UPDATE: 60 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 3,654,540 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Nov 04, 2018 - 12:35:47
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● Matt 5:9 . . Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

Peace is actually one of the negative aspects of heaven because peace is not ideal for people who thrive in a society where behaviors like the ones listed below are the norm,

Discord, hatred, factions, cliques, mistrust, prejudice, bias, caste systems, double standards, partiality, favoritism, deceit, surmising, dishonesty, gossip, slander, sarcasm, cynicism, ridicule, envy, rivalry, resentment, avarice, greed, gossip, character assassination, kangaroo courts, complaining, tattling, meddling, confrontations, activism, quarrels, assertiveness, heated debates, chafing, trickery, grudging, stonewalling, bitterness, silent treatments,

. . . revenge, stubbornness, cold shouldering, snobbery, egotism, dominance, demeaning comments, pecking orders, rebellion, arrogance, attitudes, subterfuge, treachery, betrayal, suspicion, conceit, vanity, superiority complexes, depression, melancholy, panic attacks, bi-polar disorders, antisocial behaviors, sociopaths, crime, war, despotism, oppression, injustice, human rights abuses, character assassination, toxic rejoinders, smart-Alek retorts, snide remarks, etc, etc, et al, and ad nausea.

In addition; there are stand-up fighters for whom every disagreement is either an insult or an act of war. And when they're angry, they just have to give you a piece of their mind. Those people would really be a fish out of water in heaven.

I've heard it said that heaven is a place prepared for a prepared people; i.e. people conditioned for heaven; viz: undergone changes and/or modifications so as to make them suitable for heaven. People whose personalities are by nature detrimental to peace are going to miss the boat if they cross over to the next life in their natural condition.


TALLY UPDATE: 62 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 3,776,358 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Nov 06, 2018 - 10:21:57
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It's easy to assume that only really bad people are in hell. But according to Matt 7:23-27, John 3:3-8, John 3:14-20, John 3:36, and Rev 20:11-15, anybody can be there; both the good, the bad, and the not so bad-- bikers, bakers, lawyers, welders, actors and actresses, housewives, bankers, heavy equipment operators, loggers, convicts, celebrities, homeless bums, clergy, prostitutes, drug lords, postmen, Presidents, Kings,

. . . statesmen, astronauts, school teachers, scientists, nurses, doctors, chemists, machinists, carpenters, waiters, hotel managers, cops, judges, nuns, priests, Popes, deacons, salesmen, Miss Americas, news anchors, weathermen, and birdwatchers, et al --people from every walk, every career, every religion, every culture, every language, every ethnic, every craft, and every status: they're all in danger of the sum of all fears.

● Rev 20:12 . . I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened.

Because when you strip away their gender, their titles, their distinctions, their privileges, and their entitlements; and stand them before God naked; people are only flesh and blood creatures-- naked apes, just human beings; and human beings are intrinsically sinful beings whether inbred or bred to perfection.

● Gen 8:21 . . Man's thoughts and actions are bent toward evil from childhood.

● Ps 58:3 . . Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward and speak lies.

● Eph 2:3 . .We were by nature objects of wrath.


TALLY UPDATE: 64 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 3,898,176 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Nov 08, 2018 - 09:46:10
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People tend to avoid thinking about the hereafter. Thus they become like a frog boiled to death by starting it out in cold water.

● Ecc 11:9 . . Rejoice, young man, during your childhood, and let your heart be pleasant during the days of young manhood. And follow the impulses of your heart and the desires of your eyes. Yet know that God will bring you to judgment for all these things.

Solomon may not have been 100% right about everything, but he was sure right about that.


TALLY UPDATE: 66 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 4,019,994 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Nov 10, 2018 - 14:13:25
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OBJECTION: Christ is compassionate and would never run an eternal torture mill for his lost sheep.

RESPONSE: Christ doesn't have any lost sheep. All the sheep that God entrusted to His son's care are safe and sound.

● John 10:9 . . I am the gate; whoever enters through me shall be saved.

Were Christ a so-so shepherd; then he wouldn't dare say "shall be" saved; no, he'd have to tone it down a bit and say "can be" saved. That would leave him some room for error. But when Christ says "shall be" he's claiming a 0.0% failure rate.

● John 10:27-28 . . My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.


OBJECTION: Christ's sheep are not all "safe and sound", no; not when they have the free will to pluck themselves out of his hand.

RESPONSE: The Father's free will trumps the sheep's free will.

● John 6:39 . .This is the will of the one who sent me; that I should not lose anything of what He gave me.

Christ's sheep are among the things that God has given him (John 10:27-30).

So then, were Christ to lose even one of those sheep, he would disappoint the one who sent him. But Christ never fails to satisfy his Father's will.

● John 8:29 . .The one who sent me is with me. He has not left me alone, because I always do what is pleasing to Him.

Were Christ to lose even one of the sheep in his care, he wouldn't be able to say that he "always" does what is pleasing to Him.


FYI: Not all sheep are Christ's sheep; only his believing followers qualify.

● Eph 1:13 . . And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit

Disbelievers are not sealed; no, their neck is in a noose.

● John 3:18 . . He who believes in him is not condemned; but he who disbelieves is condemned already.

When people say that it's possible for Jesus to lose sheep; they are actually casting a vote of no-confidence in his claim to be the good shepherd. In their mind's eye, he's not an exceptional shepherd; he's just another run-of-the-mill cowpoke.


TALLY UPDATE: 68 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 4,141,812 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Nov 12, 2018 - 21:34:04
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Q: Isn't Judaism equally as useful as Christianity for sinners seeking God's forgiveness? Isn't that the whole purpose of Yom Kippur, a.k.a. the Day of Atonement?

A: Pinning one's hopes on the Day Of Atonement is futile. For one thing: there's no one to perform the ritual seeing as how there is neither a Temple nor a fully functioning Levitical priesthood on duty in Jerusalem at this time. In point of fact, neither of those two essential elements of the Day of Atonement have been in Jerusalem since 70 AD. But that's not the worst of it.

There is a special goat involved in Yom Kippur commonly called a scapegoat, which Webster's defines as a person who is unfairly blamed for something that others have done; in other words: a fall guy. But that does not quite accurately define Yom Kippur's special goat. It's actually an escaping goat; viz: a fugitive; here's why.

It's a biblical axiom that the soul that sins, it shall die, i.e. the wages of sin is death (Ezek 18:20, Rom 6:23). Well; the special goat is allowed to live rather than executed, so justice for the worshippers' sins remains pending; hanging over their heads like a sword of Damocles.


NOTE: Leaving a goat out in a wilderness place to fend for itself isn't a death sentence. No; far from it. Goats are survivors. They can get by in environments that quite a few other species would find quite disagreeable. And though the Jews were in a wilderness place during their wanderings, there was vegetation enough to nourish the herds. (Ex 34:3)

Yom Kippur's purpose then, isn't to exonerate the people; rather, to remind the people that although Yom Kippur's ritual sanitizes them as per Lev 16:30, their sins are still on the books, yet to be brought to justice.

● Ex 34:6-7 . . Yhvh, Yhvh God: compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in loving kindness and truth; who keeps loving kindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished

● Nahum 1:3 . . Yhvh is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked

Looking at those two scriptures one cannot help but scratch their head and wonder how it's possible that God forgives the guilty, and yet at the same time does not acquit the guilty. Well; the answer to that is: forgiveness and acquittal are two very different things in the Old Testament.

In other words; though God forgave He did not forget; viz: the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God does not permit Him to expunge the guilty party's record; viz: forgiveness as per the covenant is merely a reprieve; which Webster's defines as: to delay the punishment of someone; such as a prisoner who is sentenced to death.

Christ's crucifixion is retroactive (Rom 3:23-26). In other words; all the sins that Moses' people committed in the past that could not be acquitted back then are acquitted by a human sacrifice that is far and away superior to Yom Kippur's.

● Isa 53:5-6 . . He was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Yhvh has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

● Acts 13:38-39 . . My brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses.

The koiné Greek word translated "justified" is dikaioo (dik-ah-yo'-o) which basically means to adjudge as righteous, i.e. innocent. So in Christ, people obtain both forgiveness and innocence, whereas in Yom Kippur the most they can obtain is forgiveness.


NOTE: Never, ever, wish your Jewish friends and/or associates a pleasant Yom Kippur. It's okay to wish them a satisfactory Yom Kippur but never a pleasant one because it's not a feel-good day like Christmas and birthdays.

Quite the contrary Yom Kippur is specifically a day to be depressed; viz: a day of sadness and self-affliction; as per Lev 16:29-31, Lev 16:31, Lev 23:27, and Lev 23:32, which is from a Hebrew word meaning to mistreat, humiliate, oppress, break the spirit, demean, abuse, weaken, injure, abase, etc. Jews that think and/or speak well of themselves on that day accrue an instant curse upon themselves. (Deut 27:26)


TALLY UPDATE: 70 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 4,263,360 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Nov 14, 2018 - 11:26:37
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I know of the Protestant pastor who was asked by Audie Murphy's widow Pamela to speak at her husband's funeral. Audie Murphy, as you may already know, was a 32nd degree Scottish Rite Mason and a Shriner; but he wasn't a Christian.

In amazement, the pastor asked Mrs. Murphy why she chose a Christian to speak at her husband's funeral.

Although Audie himself wasn't a Christian, Pamela was; and she explained that the Hollywood crowd would be there the day of his funeral, and having hob-nobbed with them during her husband's acting career, she was fully aware that many of them were rarely confronted with something serious about the afterlife.

Well; they got both barrels that day, and were very annoyed because they were expecting the usual sappy, feel-good rhetoric to which pampered celebrities are accustomed.

Some may feel that hell isn't an appropriate topic at a funeral. But I think that, other than Xmas and Easter, you couldn't pick a better time to bring it up, especially since Christ said that the majority ends up there.

● Ecc 7:2 . . It is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of gaiety, for death is the destiny of every man; the living should take this seriously.

According to the Bible; not many great people are called (1Cor 1:26). If that's true, then we have to expect that the majority of the world's best and brightest achievers-- the really big names in sports, science, medicine, law, politics, technology, business, industry, religion, entertainment, and education, etc --don't, and won't, make it to safety when they pass on.

As I watched some of the splendor and pomp of President Gerald Ford's funeral back in January of 2007, I couldn't help but wonder if he was in a position to really appreciate it; as I suspect people in hell would certainly no longer really care anymore whether they were given an unknown pauper's disposal in a City incinerator, or reverently placed in a grand tomb in the National Cemetery with world-wide television coverage.


TALLY UPDATE: 72 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 4,385,448 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Nov 16, 2018 - 20:32:50
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● Deut 27:26 . . Cursed be anyone who does not confirm the words of this law by doing them.

One thing that must be emphasized is that the curse is irrevocable; so it's very important to come to grips with it; and the sooner the better.

● Matt 5:18 . . For assuredly, I say to you: till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle will by any means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

In other words: whoever deserves that curse is absolutely certain to get it.

In point of fact, Deut 27:26 is grammatically present tense rather than future, indicating that the curse is instant-- no delay and no waiting period. i.e. it's already on the books hanging over people's heads like a guillotine just waiting for an officer to give the executioner a signal to let go the rope keeping the blade in check.


TALLY UPDATE: 74 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 4,507,266 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Nov 18, 2018 - 19:24:04
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OBJECTION: The Old Testament's God abhors human sacrifices. Therefore, He couldn't possibly approve of the New Testament's cross. For example: Jer 32:33-35 and Deut 12:31.

RESPONSE: The Old Testament prohibitions related to human sacrifices all pertain to underage children rather than consenting adults, e.g. Lev 18:21, Lev 20:2-5, Deut 12:31, Deut 18:10, cf. 2Kgs 16:3, 2Kgs 17:31, 2Kgs 23:10, 2Kgs 21:6, Ps 106:34, Ezk 20:31, Ezk 23:37, Jer 7:31, Jer 19:4, and Jer 32:35.

The Old Testament predicted human sacrifice; with God's full approval and participation no less.

● Isa 53:6 . . The Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

● Isa 53:10 . . It was The Lord's will to crush him and cause him to suffer . . .The Lord makes his life a guilt offering.


TALLY UPDATE: 76 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 4,629,084 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Nov 20, 2018 - 20:07:19
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Q: Can you cite an Old Testament example where God approved human sacrifice?

A: Abraham lived a pretty good number of years before Israel's covenanted law was instituted. Therefore, he wasn't obligated to comply with it because biblical law doesn't have ex post facto jurisdiction; viz: it isn't retroactive. (Deut 5:2-4, Rom 4:15, Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17)

So then, Abraham was in a position to offer a human sacrifice without incurring guilt; which he did.

● Gen 22:1-2 . . Now it came about after these things, that God tested Abraham, and said to him: Abraham! And he said: Here I am. And He said: Take now your son, your only son, whom you love, Isaac, and go to the land of Moriah; and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I will tell you.

Did Abraham slay Isaac? No, but did Abraham offer Isaac? Yes.

● Gen 22:9 . .Then they came to the place of which God had told him. And Abraham built an altar there and placed the wood in order; and he bound Isaac his son and laid him on the altar, upon the wood.

You see, once a gift dedicated to God is placed on an altar, it's a done deal-- whether the offering is dead or alive makes no difference. In point of fact, the letter to Hebrews credits Abraham with offering his son in obedience to God's command.

● Heb 11:17 . . By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son

Had God disapproved human sacrifice, He would've stopped Abraham before Isaac was laid on the altar.

So then, the next question is: was Isaac a consenting adult?

Well; according to Gen 22:6-7, Isaac was old enough to shoulder a load of wood; so he wasn't a little boy like so many people like to think he was. Plus, he was mature enough to understand the particulars of a burnt offering.

If the narrative's chronology is tight, then the next event in Isaac's life was the death of his mother at 127 (Gen 23:1-2). She was 90 when Isaac was born (Gen 17:17) making him quite possibly around 37 at the time of the Akedah.

Another Old Testament example is located in the 53rd chapter of Isaiah.


NOTE: According to Gen 18:23-33, Abraham wasn't above challenging God's sense of right and wrong. Had the old boy seriously believed that offering his son Isaac as a burnt offering was wrong, he would've said something; in point of fact, he had three days to think about it. (Gen 22:4

TALLY UPDATE: 78 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 4,750,902 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Nov 22, 2018 - 18:32:00
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● Ex 20:5 . . I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me.

Q: How is that fair? holding children responsible for what their parents do?

B: Ex 20:5-- along with Ex 34:7, Num 14:18, and Deut 5:9 --is often construed to mean that children are held responsible for their parents' sins; but that isn't it. What we're looking at here is collateral damage. It is apparently God's prerogative to get back at people by going after their posterity and/or the people they govern.

There's a horrific example of collateral damage located at Num 16:25-34.

Another is the Flood. No doubt quite a few underage children drowned in that event due to their parents' decadence.

The same happened to the children in Sodom and Gomorrah.

Ham's punishment for humiliating his father Noah was a curse upon his son Canaan.

During Moses' face-off with Pharaoh, God moved against the man's firstborn son along with all those of his subjects.

There are times when God chooses to judge people by going after not only themselves; but also the things that pertain to them; including, but not limited to, their progeny. I don't quite understand the logic of that kind of justice; but then again: I don't try; I just go along with it; primarily because it's futile to find fault with God-- it's a foregone conclusion that you'll lose.

● Isa 45:9 . . Destruction is certain for those who argue with their creator. Does a clay pot ever argue with its maker? Does the clay dispute with the one who shapes it, saying: Stop, you are doing it wrong! Does the pot exclaim: How clumsy can you be!


TALLY UPDATE: 80 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 4,872,720 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Nov 24, 2018 - 20:08:42
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Q: Doesn't Acts 2:24-33 say Christ went to hell at his death?

A: The koiné Greek word for "hell" in that passage of the KJV is haides [haw'-dace) a.k.a. hades, which is an ambiguous word for the netherworld-- an afterlife sphere where everybody goes when they pass on; both the good and the bad and the young and the old. Although haides can include fiery suffering in the afterlife (e.g. Luke 16:23) it doesn't always mean that because the netherworld location to which Christ departed was a pleasant location.

● Luke 23:39-43 . . One of the criminals hanging beside him scoffed: So you're the Messiah, are you? Prove it by saving yourself-- and us, too, while you're at it! But the other criminal protested: Aren't you afraid of God? Not even when you're dying? We deserve to die for our evil deeds, but this man hasn't done anything wrong. Then he said: Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. And Jesus replied: I assure you; today you will be with me in paradise.

The koiné Greek word for "paradise" is paradeisos (par-ad'-i-sos) which means: a park; defined as: 1) a tract of land that often includes lawns, woodland, and pasture attached to a country house and is used as a game preserve and for recreation, and/or 2) a piece of ground in or near a city or town kept for ornament and recreation, and/or 3) an area maintained in its natural state as a public property.

Q: If Jesus went to paradise on the day of his death, then why did he tell Mary Magdalene three days later at John 20:17 that he had not yet ascended to his Father?

A: Paradise is structured somewhat like the Pacific Crest Trail (a.k.a. PCT) which traverses the north/south length of three states-- California, Oregon, and Washington. No matter which of the three states you might encounter trekkers at any given moment-- whether south in Campo San Diego, or crossing the Bridge Of The Gods in Cascade Locks Oregon, or Snoqualmie Pass Washington --they're all on the very same PCT.

Paradise is sort of like that. There's a section underground (Matt 12:40, Luke 16:19-31) another in a celestial region that Paul labeled the third heaven (2Cor 12:2-4) and yet another section located up in God's neck of the woods. (Rev 2:7)

According to Matt 12:40, John 20:17, and Acts 2:24-32; Christ didn't go up during his demise, rather, he went down. I'm guessing the section of paradise to which he and the other guy departed was the very same one where Abraham and Lazarus were situated in the 16th chapter of Luke.


TALLY UPDATE: 82 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 4,994,538 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Nov 26, 2018 - 18:57:33
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As if hell isn't bad enough, people are in it as their selves; viz: they are never going to be free from their own personalities-- their phobias, their hang-ups, their inner conflicts, their memories, their anger, their hostility, their rivalries, their prejudice, their bias, their angst, their gender issues, their resentments, their regrets, their disappointments, their bitterness, their animosity, their passions, and their appetites.

Hell is even more of a hell than you might think because, having missed out on the regeneration about which Christ spoke at John 3:3-8, people take who they are right along with them down there.

Thus; suicide is not a good way to relieve depression. Depressed people and/or despondent people, take that low state of mind right along with them to the other side; and their sorrow will be even more intensified in fire when they realize that as bad as things were up here on the surface, their situation up here wasn't nearly as bad as their situation down below.

You can escape poor health via death, you can escape credit card debt, you can escape an abusive spouse, you can escape taxes, you can escape a physical handicap, you can escape pimples, you can escape a bully, you can escape despots and tyrants, you can escape a life of neither promise nor future, you can escape prison, you can escape grinding poverty, and you can escape the Mafioso; but nobody can escape themselves.

"You've made this day a special day, by just your being you.
There's no person in the whole world like you;
And I like you just the way you are."

(Fred Rogers, a.k.a. Mister Rogers)

Well; I appreciate Fred's work with children; but the fact of the matter is: there are grown-ups out there who do not feel special nor do they particularly like the way they are; and that's never going to change should they end up in the wrong place when they leave this life.

TALLY UPDATE: 84 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 5,116,356 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Nov 28, 2018 - 08:13:49
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Q: What sane father would condemn His own children to eternal punishment simply because they don't agree with him?

A: While visiting Athens, Paul said the below:

"For in Him we live and move and have our being. As some of your own poets have said: We are his offspring. Therefore since we are God's offspring . . . yada, yada, yada." (Acts 17:27-29)

From that passage, quite a few folk have concluded that humanity is God's progeny the same as Christ. But we know for a fact that humanity's association with God isn't by means of biological reproduction. Humanity is God's handiwork; His creation. (Gen 1:26-27, Gen 2:7, Matt 19:4)

So, in order for individuals to get in God's family, and thus be counted as His bona fide posterity, they have to undergo a special adoption process.

"When the fulness of the time came, God sent forth His son-- born of a woman, born under the Law --in order that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons." (Gal 4:3-6)

But in order to get in on that particular adoption, people have to first undergo creation all over again.

"As many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." (John 1:12-13)

"Don't be surprised at my statement that you must be born again." (John 3:7)

Bottom line: God doesn't condemn the members of His own family to eternal punishment; but He won't hesitate to condemn yours if they neglect to follow Christ's instructions.

"I assure you: unless you are born again, you can never see the Kingdom of God." (John 3:3)


TALLY UPDATE: 86 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 5,238,174 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Nov 30, 2018 - 19:53:21
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I was once challenged by an Atheist that if I believed so strongly in the existence of a hell; then what was I doing for people down there.

Well; I had to tell the Atheist that although it isn't God's wishes that people end up suffering in hell, it is His wishes that they suffer once they get there. So that even if it were in my power to do something to make their situation a bit more tolerable and/or a bit more comfortable-- which it isn't --I wouldn't dare attempt to circumvent God's wishes; and neither would Christ.

● John 4:34 . . My food is to do the will of Him that sent me.

● John 8:29 . . And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

● John 10:30 . . I and my Father are unified.

● John 17:11 . . Holy Father, keep them and care for them-- all those you have given me --so that they will be united just as we are.

That means Christ wouldn't have protested, nor interfered, in either Noah's Flood or the fiery destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah; even though a number of infants and underage children went to their deaths as collateral damage in both events.


TALLY UPDATE: 88 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 5,359,992 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Nov 30, 2018 - 20:02:46
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Dec 02, 2018 - 09:26:14
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Many years ago-- when I was a young single guy in my early twenties, living alone in a cheap rental --as I was listening to a radio preacher talk about hell, something in my mind took over; and I had the strangest sensation of falling off the earth into an abyss and nobody cared, nor did anybody miss me, nor did my disappearance cause any alarm nor make any difference.

The freeways remained busy with frustrated drivers and honking horns, people still got up to go to work, shoppers crowded the supermarkets and department stores, kids caught their buses to school, birds kept right on chirping, grass kept on growing, ocean waves went on rolling onto the beach, trains kept running, airlines kept flying, clouds moved across the sky; and all that.

My absence changed nothing nor disturbed anyone nor anything. The world was utterly indifferent; it kept right on turning, clocks went on ticking; and nature and man went right on with their business as usual without the slightest hiccup. At that moment I realized just how alone and how obscure people must feel when they exhale their final breath and cross over to the other side.

Back in March of 2015, Andrew Getty, an heir to J. Paul Getty's oil fortune, died at the age of 47. In life, Andrew had many friends. You know how many accompanied him on his journey across the river Styx? Nary a one.

You gotta walk that lonesome valley,
You gotta walk it by yourself,
Nobody here can walk it for you,
You gotta walk it by yourself.

(Woody Guthrie)

TALLY UPDATE
: 90 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 5,481,810 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Dec 04, 2018 - 10:58:14
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When people waken at night within a burning home, and the hallways are obscured by smoke and fire: at that moment, all things-- appointments, charge card balances, student debt, retirement, the glass ceiling, GMO, women's rights, LGBT marriage, Obama care, abortion, water on Mars, immigration reform, Hillary's emails, President Trump's tweets, ISIS, Kim Jong-un, Carrington events, the San Andreas fault, Dancing With The Stars, who's at fault for Benghazi, or who's playing in the Super Bowl; whatever --pale in comparison to the importance of finding a way out before it's too late.

In the face of imminent death; with the flames of hell already licking around your naked legs; it's at a time like that when you'd better hope to God that your spiritual leaders haven't steered you down the wrong road because there will be neither time nor opportunity to seek a second opinion.


TALLY UPDATE: 92 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 5,603,628 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Dec 06, 2018 - 19:34:00
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● Gen 6:5 . .And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

It's freaky to contemplate that the Bible's God has a way to eavesdrop on one's mental processes on a level with which we are mostly unfamiliar.

● Matt 15:18-19 . . For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts

So then, it's not how your mind works that defines you, no, it's how your heart works that defines you; and a man's heart is easily capable of hoodwinking his own consciousness.

● Jer 17:9 . . The human heart is most deceitful and desperately wicked. Who really knows how bad it is?

There is a part of us that psychology labels the subconscious; which in Freud's opinion is a repository for socially unacceptable ideas, wishes or desires, traumatic memories, and painful emotions put out of mind by the mechanism of psychological repression. However, the contents do not necessarily have to be solely negative.

In the psychoanalytic view, the subconscious is a force that can only be recognized by its effects-- in other words: your mind's thoughts can be construed not as replicas of your hearts thoughts; but rather, as symptoms of your heart's thoughts.

The key word in the above is repression. God is able to de-suppress those repressed contents and submit them as evidence in the prosecution's case against the accused. That means He will be confronting people with things that they never before really knew about themselves; and that's why I sometimes say only a fool would take their chances with the Bible's God. They have no clue the extent of the psychological tsunami they're walking into.


TALLY UPDATE: 94 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 5,725,446 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Dec 08, 2018 - 10:46:52
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● Luke 12:15-20 . . A man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions. And he told them this parable:

. . .The ground of a certain rich man produced a good crop. He thought to himself: What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops. Then he said: This is what I'll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I'll say to myself; You have plenty of good things laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.

. . . But God said to him: You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?

That is one of the futilities of success in this world. Everybody knows it, but moguls like Mark Zuckerberg, Steve Jobs, Phil Knight, Paul Allen, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet et al never seem to take it to heart until they've got one foot in the grave.

I once heard a story about a very wealthy man who died. His surviving relatives were all called to the reading of the man's will while the media waited outside. When the reading was over, the media asked the man's kin how much he left. They replied: He left it all.

Yes, of course he left it all; even the clothing he wore to his own funeral.

The paintings of Gustave Doré, illustrating portions of Dante's Inferno, depict lost souls 100% stark naked-- clothed with nary a stitch --as they should be because no doubt they are.

The Beetles once complained in song: Money can't buy me love. Well; it couldn't buy them time either-- John is gone, and so is George.

● Ecc 2:14-16 . .The wise man has eyes in his head, while the fool walks in the darkness; but I came to realize that the same fate overtakes them both.

. . .Then I thought in my heart: The fate of the fool will overtake me also. What then do I gain by being wise? For the wise man, like the fool, will not be long remembered; in days to come both will be forgotten. Like the fool, the wise man too must die.


TALLY UPDATE: 96 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 5,847,264 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Dec 10, 2018 - 12:01:04
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According to Siddhartha Gautama, the inventor of Buddhism, there is no personal "soul" that continues to exist beyond the demise of one's organic body; ergo: one's original self no longer exists after death.

Q: So then in Buddhist rebirth; what is reborn if not the person?

A: Buddhist rebirth is not a resurrection, rather, a reincarnation; viz: a rearrangement of the karmic matter that was once a particular individual. The complete teaching is a bit complex but in a nutshell, Buddhists can expect to return as either gods, asuras, hungry ghosts, hell beings, animals, and/or humans.

In addition: reincarnation doesn't stop with one event; but is potentially a cycle of birth, misery, and death called samsara.

Christianity allots but one physical return per person (Dan 12:2, John 5:29, Rev 20:5-6). So then, those who undergo a second death in the reservoir of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:10-15 won't be coming back for a do-over because they will have used up their one allotted resurrection in order to face justice at the Great White Throne.


TALLY UPDATE: 98 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 5,969,082 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Dec 12, 2018 - 19:44:44
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POSIT: Since God created us the way we are; then He is ultimately responsible for our conduct.

RESPONSE: Some years ago I went into a music store in San Diego and noticed that one of the store's glass display cases contained a rather large variety of curious bottles. So I asked the clerk what they were. He said they were bongs. You mean for smoking dope? I asked. He replied: Yes; that is their purpose. So I responded: But isn't dope illegal? He replied: Yes, dope is illegal, however we don't sell dope; we only sell the means to smoke it. You see; the responsibility for smoking dope was on the end-users of bongs rather than upon the sellers of bongs.

In a similar incident, I went into an electronics store to purchase a mobile CB radio and noticed an array of devices in the display case that I didn't recognize. The clerk told me they were linear amplifiers; which, he said, are devices for boosting a standard 5-watt CB's signal strength. I asked the clerk if that was legal. He said no, it isn't legal to boost the standard signal. However, he said: it isn't illegal to own equipment with the capability to do so. In other words; the law placed the responsibility for boosting CB signals on the end-user of linear amplifiers rather than the sellers of linear amplifiers.

What I'm getting at is: God created humanity with the capability to make bad choices. But at the same time, He created humanity with the capability to make good choices too. In the incident involving the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; Adam chose poorly. Does it make sense to blame God for Adam's choice? No; he was fully advised of both the ban and the consequence.

But you see: so-called "product liability" is a convenient way of blaming others for our own failings. In other words: product liability's proponents insist that the availability of things like forbidden fruit, bongs, and linear amplifiers constitutes enablement. So these days instead of saying "The devil made me do it; therefore my conduct is his fault" now people say "I was provided the means to do it; therefore my conduct is the provider's fault."

Many of the liquid products we have under our sinks and out in the garage are toxic; so manufacturers put warning labels on them. Now; placing those products for sale to the public constitutes enablement, but they're assuming you're intelligent enough to read the warning labels they put on the containers. If you ignore the warning labels; it's your own fault for being stupid.

A smart man won't test the limits, nor push his luck, nor tempt fate; viz: he won't eat forbidden fruit, smoke dope, boost his CB radio's output above the legal limits, or swallow toilet bowl cleaner and Prestone engine coolant just because those toxic products are available.


TALLY UPDATE: 100 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 6,090,900 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Dec 14, 2018 - 09:33:26
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● Rev 20:11-15 . . I saw a great white throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

According to Rev 20:10, the lake of fire consists of brimstone; defined by Webster's as sulfur; which liquifies at around 239.38° F and boils at around 832.3° F.

Molten sulfur assumes a dark red color at around 392° F which, in all likelihood, enhances the lake's fiery appearance.

Q: What if people's execution in the brimstone isn't quick? I mean: the day of Adam's death began the moment he tasted the forbidden fruit; yet he continued to survive outside the garden of Eden for another 800 years after the birth of his son Seth. (Gen 5:4)

A: That is a distinct possibility.


TALLY UPDATE: 102 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 6,212,718 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Dec 16, 2018 - 19:37:12
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Q: At Matt 16:18, Jesus said: "You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it." What is the meaning of that verse?

A: Basically it's saying that should one of Christ's true believing followers slip through a crack and end up in the wrong place, they will be able to stroll right on out of there like a tourist in Paris; likely guided on their journey by a celestial being, maybe similar to Peter's experience when he escaped jail in Acts 12:3-11.

I should point out that if any one particular church were the "my church" that Christ spoke of in Matt 16:18, then none of its members-- not one --would end up in hell; but I suspect that all churches, regardless of their denominational affiliation, expect to lose a number of their followers to an uncertain fate; which reminds me of a line from the movie AVATAR spoken by Colonel Miles Quaritch, played by Stephen Lang, that goes like this:

It is my job to keep you alive.
I will not succeed . . not with all of you.


TALLY UPDATE: 104 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 6,334,536 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Dec 18, 2018 - 14:17:58
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I once heard of a preacher asked by a young member of his congregation what he would have to do bad enough to wind up in hell.

The preacher answered: You don't have to do anything particularly bad to go to hell; no, just bide your time and you'll wind up there without even trying because hell is the default.


TALLY UPDATE: 106 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 6,456,354 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Dec 20, 2018 - 09:32:42
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There's been a quite a bit of flap in the media of late about a gender issue called misogyny-- defined by Webster's as hatred of women --while very little flap about misandry; defined by Webster's as hatred of men.

In the end, it will be a man who casts women with gender-related anger into the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:10-15 and permanently ruins any chances they might have had for happiness in the future. For all eternity, condemned man haters will grind their teeth with hot tears and white-knuckled fury that they ultimately lost out on everything because of one lone male's obsessive control over their lives.

● John 5:22-23 . .The Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father.

● Acts 17:31 . . God has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed


NOTE: Misandry and feminism aren't joined at the hip; viz: not all feminists hate men. Classical feminism is typically peaceful, objective, and political while misandry is typically malicious, emotional, and personal; i.e. classical feminism is typically persuasive and diplomatic, while misandry is typically demanding, hostile, implacable, and unreasonable. Classical feminism seeks equality with men, while misandry seeks to destroy men.

Seeing as how heaven is a place of peace, then bitter people seething with unresolved gender issues cannot be allowed there because they would turn heaven into a world of hatred, complaining, quarreling, and discontent like they've made the Earth.


TALLY UPDATE: 108 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 6,578,172 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Dec 22, 2018 - 12:56:19
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Q: At Matt 16:18, Jesus said: "You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it." What is the meaning of that verse?

A: Basically it's saying that should one of Christ's true believing followers slip through a crack and end up in the wrong place, they will be able to stroll right on out of there like a tourist in Paris; likely guided on their journey by a celestial being, maybe similar to Peter's experience when he escaped jail in Acts 12:3-11.

I should point out that if any one particular church were the "my church" that Christ spoke of in Matt 16:18, then none of its members-- not one --would end up in hell; but I suspect that all churches, regardless of their denominational affiliation, expect to lose a number of their followers to an uncertain fate; which reminds me of a line from the movie AVATAR spoken by Colonel Miles Quaritch, played by Stephen Lang, that goes like this:

It is my job to keep you alive.
I will not succeed . . not with all of you.


TALLY UPDATE: 110 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 6,699,990 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Dec 24, 2018 - 17:50:18
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I once heard of a preacher asked by a young member of his congregation what he would have to do bad enough to wind up in hell.

The preacher answered: You don't have to do anything particularly bad to go to hell; no, just bide your time and you'll wind up there without even trying because hell is the default.


TALLY UPDATE: 112 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 6,821,808 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Dec 26, 2018 - 21:54:46
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There's been a quite a bit of flap in the media of late about a gender issue called misogyny-- defined by Webster's as hatred of women --while very little flap about misandry; defined by Webster's as hatred of men.

In the end, it will be a man who casts irate women into the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:10-15 and permanently ruins any chances they might have had for happiness in the future. For all eternity, condemned man haters will grind their teeth with hot tears and white-knuckled fury that they ultimately lost out on everything because of one lone male's obsessive control over their lives.

● John 5:22-23 . .The Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father.

● Acts 17:31 . . God has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed


NOTE: Misandry and feminism aren't joined at the hip; viz: not all feminists hate men. Classical feminism is typically peaceful, objective, and political while misandry is typically malicious, emotional, and personal; i.e. classical feminism is typically persuasive and diplomatic, while misandry is typically demanding, hostile, implacable, and unreasonable. Classical feminism seeks equality with men, while misandry seeks to destroy men.

Seeing as how heaven is a place of peace, then bitter people seething with unresolved gender issues cannot be allowed there because they would turn heaven into a world of complaining, quarreling, and discontent like they've made the Earth.


TALLY UPDATE: 114 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 6,943,626 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Dec 28, 2018 - 15:51:45
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Whether death in the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:10-15 is quick or slow; surely either way no one wants such a fate in their future. It would be better to avoid the lake altogether and take up residence in the new cosmos where everyone is immortal and enjoying life to the fullest in a world where there is neither war, nor crime, nor poverty, nor hate, discontent, nor sickness.

The first death is mandatory, but not the second; there's a God-given way for people to get out of it that requires no merit on their part.

● 2Cor 5:19 . . God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them.
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In other words: when God makes peace with a sinner, He stops building an indictment against them and the previous indictment is thrown out; or rather I should say: it's resolved by means of Christ's crucifixion.

● Isa 53:6 . .We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and The Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

● 1John 2:2 . . He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


TALLY UPDATE: 116 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 7,065,444 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Dec 30, 2018 - 12:38:51
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● Luke 16:24-26 . . Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame. But Abraham said: Between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.

The Greek word for "great chasm" refers to a nondescript space, viz: a gap, without really specifying width or depth. The distance across can't be too much otherwise Abraham and the rich man could neither speak to, nor recognize, one another. Apparently translators assumed the gap was large so they added the word "great". It seems far more likely to me that the chasm Abraham spoke of is a sort of crevasse just wide enough to prevent pedestrian traffic and deep enough to discourage attempts.

Anyway, point being: I'm heaven-bound; but I'm not so sure about many of my friends, relatives, and associates. If they fail to make the cut, I'm crossing my fingers that there will be some way that I can contact them in the afterlife after we've all passed on. It deeply saddens me to think there's a possibility I might not be allowed to see any of them ever again until the day of our final good-byes during the event planned for Rev 20:11-15.


TALLY UPDATE: 118 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 7,065,444 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Jan 01, 2019 - 12:35:40
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The apostle Paul expended quite a bit of time, energy, and writer's ink persuading Christ's believing followers that it's impossible to obtain heaven by means of compliance with the Ten Commandments. He didn't succeed; not with everyone. People still refused to believe him even though he claimed to have received his information straight from the horse's mouth.

● Gal 1:11-13 . . For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

However, though it is impossible to obtain heaven by means of compliance with the Ten Commandments, it is essential to comply with them in order to stay in heaven; not just the Ten only, but all of God's commandments. And one's compliance cannot be spotty, it has to be consistent.

So; what's the secret to this apparent Catch-22?

The secret is found in a promise that God made to His people back in the Old Testament.

● Ezek 36:26-27 . . I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit into you: I will remove the heart of stone from your body and give you a tender heart; and I will put My spirit into you. Thus I will cause you to follow My laws and faithfully to observe My rules.

An "heart of flesh" would normally be regarded in modern Sunday school classes as a bad thing. Here in Ezekiel, flesh is juxtaposed with stone to indicate that God is talking about tenderness, gentleness, kindness, empathy, sensitivity, compassion, and deep affection; i.e. the warm, softer emotions.

A heart of stone is cold and dead, like those massive granite monoliths in Yosemite Valley. They feel not the slightest pity for climbers who lose their grip and fall. Nope, those big rocks just go on like nothing ever happened; silent, indifferent, unconcerned, non grieving, non compassionate, and unsympathetic; i.e. they feel nothing: nothing at all.

Bottom line: Seeing as how love is essential to proper compliance with the Ten Commandments; then the thoughtless, the callous, and the insensitive would be shut out of heaven forever and ever were it not for Ezek 36:26-27.

Watch as I deliberately paraphrase the following passages. Though the texts aren't verbatim quotes from the Bible; the message they convey is spot-on.

"I assure you: unless the inhumane are born again, they can never see the Kingdom of God." (John 3:3)

"Don't be surprised at my statement that people lacking the milk of human kindness must undergo a birth performed by the hand of God." (John 3:7)

Note that the birth performed by the hand of God, about which Jesus spoke, isn't optional; it's a must.


TALLY UPDATE: 120 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 7,309,080 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Jan 03, 2019 - 12:45:05
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During the 16th century, an Italian man named Niccolò Machiavelli wrote a political treatise titled The Prince. It's main theme is how to get power, and once you've got it; how to keep it.

The book's instructions apply to all forms of power whether in business, in government, the military, the mafioso, school boards, investment banking, and even religion and church management practices.

You might be surprised at the number and variety of famous, respectable people who've been influenced by The Prince, not only in the past, but right up to the very present. Machiavelli's book, like Sun Tzu's book The Art Of War, is timeless.

However; there's a hitch. Machiavelli's ideas work best when employed by monsters, i.e. sociopaths: because it's necessary to sacrifice integrity and conscience to make them work; i.e. it's necessary to become cruel, inhumane, and thoroughly indifferent to the principles of trust and honesty.

The word "Machiavellian" is in Webster's defined as: marked by cunning, duplicity, or bad faith, i.e. not guided by, or showing a concern for, what is right in respect to social norms and acceptable behavior.

In other words: it's not what's right that counts with Machiavellian personalities; it's what works, viz: they practice a sort of moral flexibility.

The Bible describes heaven as a place of peace. I think it goes without saying that Machiavellian personalities are not allowed there. For one, they would make heaven unbearable for the decent folk. For another, they would not fit in. And for another, their way of life would just end up turning heaven into another world like the one we're already living in.


TALLY UPDATE: 122 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 7,430,898 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Jan 05, 2019 - 20:37:31
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● Lev 24:10-12 . . And the son of an Israelitish woman, whose father was an Egyptian, went out among the children of Israel: and this son of the Israelitish woman and a man of Israel strove together in the camp; and the Israelitish woman's son blasphemed the name of The Lord, and cursed.

. . . And they brought him unto Moses: (and his mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan) And they put him in ward, that the mind of The Lord might be showed them.

That incident is a pretty good illustration of the current purpose of the fiery sector of hades. It's a place to hold people till the day when the mind of the Lord will be shown concerning them.

● Rev 20:13. . Death and hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.


NOTE: Rev 20:13 is a record of things that the apostle John saw in the future; which means they're on the way, and only a matter of time now when they'll be seen in the present by everyone.

TALLY UPDATE: 124 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 7,552,716 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Jan 07, 2019 - 10:43:48
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Rev 20:11-15 is commonly thought to be where everybody, the good and the bad, stand before God to determine their future.

But according to the text; only the dead will be called to account at the great white throne event. In point of fact; the dead are mentioned four times while the living aren't mentioned even once.

Not everyone alive is among the living. According to John 5:24, the living are defined as people who have eternal life. The dead, then, would be defined as people who don't have eternal life.


TALLY UPDATE: 126 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 7,674,534 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Jan 09, 2019 - 11:39:28
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Former US President George H.W. Bush passed away November 30, 2018 at age 94. The media couldn't say enough good about Mr. Bush; day after day the papers, the television, the magazines, the op eds, and the radio talk shows were filled with accolades about how wonderful he was as a man, a father, a humanitarian, and a political leader.

Well; in my estimation, all that flap and rhetoric was little more than a red herring as I couldn't help but wonder what Almighty God thought of the man; and of the people who spoke and wrote so much about him.

● John 5:44 . . How can you believe if you accept praise from one another, yet make no effort to obtain the praise that comes from the only God?


TALLY UPDATE: 128 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 7,796,352 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Jan 22, 2019 - 07:07:13
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I ran across an interesting story on YouTube recently. It's about a man who grew up in a Christian home and attended a Christian church. He believed that Jesus Christ died for his sins and rose again. He believed in the Spirit birth about which Jesus spoke in John 3:3-8. He was baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; and he prayed to Jesus, confessing his sins on a regular basis. He had the assurance of his salvation and sincerely believed had eternal life,

Today that same man is an Atheist; and even though he explained why, it still puzzled me that an apparently born-again Christian could lose so much faith in Christ and the Bible.

But I had overlooked the fine print in something Jesus taught; which goes like this:

"All that the Father gives me will come to me, and the one who comes to me I will certainly not cast out." (John 6:37)

The man had come to Jesus; but apparently was not among those whom the Father had given him; therefore Jesus could not promise to take the man on permanently in accordance with his Father's will.

"I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of Him who sent me. And this is the will of Him who sent me; that I shall lose none of all that He has given me" (John 6:38-39)

I attended a Billy Graham crusade in San Diego back in August of 1976 and was frankly surprised at the large number of people coming forward that night to accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior. Well, looking back; I am now very curious to know how many of those that came forward were selected to join the fortunate ones that the Father gives to His son for safekeeping because anybody with a mind to can come to Jesus, but not all who do so are taken on.

"Many are called, but few are chosen." (Matt 22:14)

"Be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you" (2Pet 1:10)


TALLY UPDATE: 141 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 8,588,169 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 13:46:20
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Jesus Christ had some pretty astounding capabilities. He could beef up withered limbs, cure cripples, cleanse leprosy, stop chronic bleeding, cure blindness, multiply food stuffs, calm storms, exorcise demons, restore dead people to life, and protect them from the wrath of God, etc.

In my estimation, a man who can do all that can just as easily do it in reverse; viz: wither people's limbs, cripple their legs, smite people with leprosy, make them bleed, cause them to go blind, cause famine, stir up storms, open people to demon possession and/or just outright assassinate them, and condemn them to hell; etc.

So I'm sometimes curious why Christ's enemies weren't more afraid of him.


TALLY UPDATE: 146 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 8,892,714 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Jan 29, 2019 - 09:54:32
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I was brought up a Catholic youth. The extent of my Catechism classes was pretty elementary. They didn't inform me that Jesus Christ was returning some day to rule the world, so it wasn't till I was around 24 years old when a Protestant man asked me if I was ready for the Lord coming back.

Well; at first the man's question puzzled me because i wasn't aware of that aspect of the Earth's future. But then right away I became alarmed because I instinctively knew that if I had to face Christ, the outcome would not be favorable as I had a lot to answer for. I learned later that my instincts were right.

"As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matt 13:40-42)


TALLY UPDATE: 148 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 9,014,532 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Feb 04, 2019 - 12:44:33
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I recently watched a documentary on YouTube about Warren Buffet; the chairman and CEO of a very successful fund called Berkshire Hathaway. To date, he's like the third wealthiest man in the whole world; his net worth amounts to something like 84 billion dollars US.

Mr. Buffet identifies himself as an agnostic. Well; if traditional Christianity is correct, then we can expect that his afterlife situation will be the same as the wealthy man's depicted in Luke 16:19-31.


TALLY UPDATE: 154 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 9,379,986 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Feb 10, 2019 - 12:51:59
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● Rom 12:12a . . Be glad for all God is planning for you.

Christians unsure of their afterlife destination cannot, in all honesty and a good conscience, comply with the above. For all they know, God has outer darkness planned for them. That's not something to be glad about.


TALLY UPDATE: 160 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 9,745,440 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed May 22, 2019 - 11:17:23
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● Matt 25:41 . .Then he will say to those on his left: Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels.

The Greek word for "angels" is aggelos (ang'-el-os) which is one of the Bible's many ambiguous words. It means messenger; and it isn't limited to spirit beings.

For example at Matt 11:10 it refers to John the Baptist. A Luke 7:24 it refers to John's disciples. At Acts 7:53 and Gal 3:19 it refers to divine apparitions in the form of voices, fire, smoke, earthquakes, and a human likeness. At Jas 2:25 it refers to the spies that hid out at Rahab's home. At Rev 1:20-Rev 3:14, the word aggelos refers to high-ranking church officers.

So, we have in view at Matt 25:41 not only spirit beings, but quite possibly also human beings who serve as messengers for the Devil, e.g. preachers, ministers, Sunday school teachers, deacons, missionaries, evangelists, cultists, etc; whose version of Christianity is a doctored version rather than Christ's.

● 2Cor 11:13-15 . . For such are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

I have a personal interest in this matter. My eldest brother is a Friar; he and I are both now in our mid to late seventies. My brother has been spending his entire adult life obedient to Rome and propagating Catholicism. If it turns out that version of Christianity differs from Christ's, then my brother won't make it to safety when he passes on. His life's work will go up in smoke, and he'll be branded forever as one of the Devil's angels. That possibility does not set well with me.


TALLY UPDATE: 261 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 15,897,249 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Jun 15, 2019 - 21:44:03
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● Luke 23:39-40 . . One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: Aren't you the Christ? Save yourself and us! But the other criminal rebuked him. Don't you fear God, he said, since you are under the same sentence?

There's a humorous incident depicted in Dante's Inferno where these two guys are having an argument over which deserves to be in Hell more than the other. But when both are in Hell, it matters little who deserves to be there more. Having a holier-than-thou-attitude in Hell is pretty much going to get you nowhere.


TALLY UPDATE: 285 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 17,359,065 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.

BTW: The average thickness of a human hair is around .1 mm. So 17,359,065 human hairs laid side by side would spread out to something like 1,735,906 mm, equaling 68,342 inches, or 5,695 feet: which is 1.078 miles.

These days when the Federal debt is in the trillions, a million of anything seems trifle; but nevertheless, a thousand thousands is still a pretty large amount. Were someone to budget their expenses to $600 a week, they could live off a million dollars for 32 years. They could live off 17,359,065 dollars for 556 years.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Jul 04, 2019 - 21:30:59
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There's a variety of negative opinions about God all across the internet. Some say He's cruel, sadistic, heartless, unjust, unfair, unkind, a despotic bully, a monster, sexist, and just a general all around jerk.

Well, it matters little whether He's all that, and more. It's futile to criticize God and rake Him across the coals because God can't be stopped no matter what His faults.

There's very little to be gained by a man on the gallows with a noose already around his neck turning to the executioner and saying: Your breath stinks. Well; maybe it really does stink but the condemned man is still going to get his neck stretched regardless. He will have the satisfaction of getting in a parting shot but pointing out the executioner's faults won't stop him from doing his job.


TALLY UPDATE: 304 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 18,516,336 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Jul 16, 2019 - 22:36:38
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FAQ: If it's true that people in Hell are destined to be stuck there forever, then wouldn't it be accurate to say they have eternal life seeing as how they will never cease to exist?

A: Eternal life has practically nothing at all to do with longevity.

Eternal life has to do with God's basic nature, i.e. the very core of His divine being; whereas human life has to do with a human's basic nature, i.e. the very core of a created being.

People in Hell live and move and have their being with human nature; whereas people in Heaven live and move and have their being with divine nature. (2Pet 1:4)

If people in heaven really and truly do have divine nature rather than human nature, then just imagine how easy it is for them to please God not just some of the time, nor even most of the time; but all of the time.

The tree of life in the garden of Eden would've extended longevity indefinitely for as long as the people kept nourishing themselves with its fruit and using its leaves for remedies (Gen 3:22, Rev 22:2). So that goes to show that it isn't necessary for humans to have eternal life in order for them to exist a long, long time. There are other ways to keep human life going. I suspect that God has quite a few tricks up His sleeve about which we are thus far unaware.


TALLY UPDATE: 316 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 19,247,244 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Jul 22, 2019 - 11:41:50
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I'm sometimes very curious why seemingly normal foods are hazardous to so many people, i.e. salt, fat, sugar, gluten, peanuts, dairy, red meat; etc.

● Ps 69:22 . . May their table before them become a snare;

I don't know if the above is supposed to be arbitrary, but it sure seems to be because health issues related to nourishment are everywhere regardless of race, gender, age, or religious preference.


TALLY UPDATE: 322 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 19,612,698 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Jul 28, 2019 - 20:07:32
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"A voice rings out; Proclaim! Another asks; What shall I proclaim? All flesh is grass, all its goodness like flowers of the field: Grass withers, flowers fade when the breath of the Lord blows on them. Indeed, man is but grass: Grass withers, flowers fade" (Isa 40:6-8)

Man is but perishable fruit like peaches, pears, strawberries, cantaloupe, avocado, and oranges; no amount of refrigeration will keep him fresh. Regardless of the amount of rest, fresh air, good diet, and exercise; man begins to wither right around the age of 32 or 34.

Youngster's can't really appreciate their expiration date as three brief decades: to them, 32 or 34 years seems long and way out in the distance. As a result, the withering process often sneaks up and takes them by surprise like starting a frog off in cool water and slowly bringing it up to a boil. Of a sudden, one day it swats them in the face like a rolled up newspaper that they're "old school" replaced by a young, hip generation wherein they've been accustomed to thinking all along was themselves.

The aging process, once it starts, is relentless. Its personality is sort of like that of the robot in Arnold Schwarzenegger's movie "The Terminator" which is a machine that can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with, it doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear, and it absolutely will not stop-- ever! -- until you are dead.

The aging process is a cold as steel wake-up call that your tenure on this planet is rapidly winding down to a close; and one day, it will be like you were never here.


TALLY UPDATE: 328 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 19,978,152 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Mon Jul 29, 2019 - 03:48:58
TALLY UPDATE 328 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 19,978,152 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
NO ONE is yet in fiery sector of hades, for no such place exists. Hell in one sense is used as the GRAVE and yes, many millions have gone there within the past year, while others have gone right into the very presence of God.....for to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord Jesus. The wicked are in SILENCE and DARKNESS waiting for the judgment of the GREAT WHITE THRONE where they shall be sent into the LAKE OF FIRE to be destroyed/perish.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Aug 05, 2019 - 12:35:34
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● Matt 28:18 . . Jesus came to them and said: All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

● Acts 1:9 . . He was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.

● Dan 7:13-14 . . In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into His presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

● Rev 5:11-12 . . I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. In a loud voice they sang: Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!

● Acts 1:10-11 . .They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. Men of Galilee-- they said --why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.

● Rev 1:7 . . Look! he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him


TALLY UPDATE: 336 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 20,465,424 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Aug 20, 2019 - 15:22:59
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Years ago when I underwent recruit training in the US Army, we were processed in alphabetical order; consequently I was at the back of the line for just about everything except chow because my last name begins with W --very few guys' names began with X, Y, or Z.

If perchance the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15 is scheduled to proceed in alphabetical order, it would quite possibly be centuries before my turn came to be called forward to face the music.

Let's say, for example, that the tally update below represents one hour in court per person. No doubt that's an extremely conservative amount of time allotted to evaluate every little detail in peoples' lives but we're just being hypothetical here so it doesn't matter.

Well; 21,379,059 hours is roughly 890,794 days of twenty-fours hours each; which adds up to 2,440 years if the great white throne event is scheduled to run non-stop, day and night, 24/7


TALLY UPDATE: 351 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 21,379,059 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Sep 13, 2019 - 19:43:05
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Internet forums are a cruel venue. Participants write their academic comments about hell as if we're all members of a Jane Austen book club casually discussing a chapter of Pride And Prejudice.

But the numbers that I post on this thread from time to time are not fiction; they represent real people whose lives have culminated in unspeakable tragedy. I'd much prefer eternity in a looney bin, soling my pants and drooling all over myself like a stroke victim, than be where those unfortunates are in residence now.

● Luke 16:27-28 . .The rich man answered: "I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment."

The rich man knew something about hell that apparently many of us online seem unable to fully appreciate. The time to be thinking about the hereafter is while we're in this life, now, before it ends, rather than the next when it will be too late to do anything about it.


TALLY UPDATE: 375 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 22,840,875 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Dec 13, 2019 - 10:19:58
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● Matt 5:21-22a . . You have heard that it was said to the people long ago: Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment. But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment.

I think it's safe to assume that the anger spoken of in that passage is a malicious kind of anger eating away at somebody who wants you dead. (cf. 1John 3:15)

● Matt 5:22b . . . Again, anyone who says to his brother "Raca" is answerable to the Sanhedrin.

Raca refers to name-calling, especially in regard to intelligence, e.g. idiot, moron, dummy, lame brain, space cadet, Neanderthal, air head, dimwit, bird brain, knuckle dragger, doofus, jackass, ignoramus, etc.

● Matt 5:22c . . But anyone who says "You fool" will be in danger of the fire of hell.

"You fool" in this case refers to a particular kind of mental cruelty that makes people-- especially growing children --feel bad about themselves, i.e. makes people feel like they don't count and/or don't matter, like they are something less than a real human being.

Demeaning comments in the "you fool" category erode someone's self respect to where they feel like they don't belong: they're unnecessary, unwelcome, and unworthy of being included, listened to, and/or taken seriously.

There's a certain amount of poetic justice in Matt 5:22c. People that make others' lives a living hell in this life via you-fool remarks, fully deserve their own lives to be a living hell in the next.

● Matt 12:36-37 . . I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.


TALLY UPDATE: 466 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 28,383,594 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Jan 06, 2020 - 11:44:45
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● Jer 13:23 . . Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil.

Back in the mid 1960s-- when I was a young single guy around 24 years old living solo in a tiny rented room in a family home's daylight basement --I had lots of time to myself to think about things since I had no friends, nor any kind of social contact whatsoever other than at work. I wasn't distracted with a girl friend, nor by pals and beer buddies, nor by an obsessive hobby. It was just me, my 1961 Volkswagen, and a 305 Honda motorcycle that I rode all over northwest Oregon.

I thought about Hell a lot back in those days; and the very real possibility of my ending up there. It occurred to me at the time that it would be a whole lots easier to comply with God's wishes if only I were like Him instead of like me. Doing bad is easy for me because I'm bad without thinking about it whereas doing good is a fight against nature. If only I could do good as naturally as God does good; I'd have it made.

Another thought crossed my mind back in those days. Let's assume that I could somehow manage to be pious enough in this lifetime to qualify for Heaven. Then what? I was pretty sure I could never manage to be pious for all eternity: possibly in this life, but certainly never in the next; no, I could never keep it up forever. Sooner or later my true colors would show themselves.

I envied people like Moses because he had Heaven in the bag while I had no clue about my future; though I was fairly sure that for me, Hell was pretty much a foregone conclusion.

I didn't know it at the time, but I was very fortunate to be thinking those kinds of thoughts because right around then I ran across a solution to my problem in the Old Testament that says:

"I will take you from among the nations and gather you from all the countries, and I will bring you to your land. And I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and you will be clean; from all your impurities and from all your abominations will I cleanse you.

. . . And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit will I put within you, and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh. And I will put My spirit within you and bring it about that you will walk in My statutes and you will keep My ordinances and do them." (Ezek 36:24-27)

Those promises were made to the Jews so of course I, being a Gentile, couldn't expect God to let me in on them. But just think of the tremendous advantages that passage speaks of. Whereas I am normally and naturally impious, with those promises in hand I could become just the opposite, viz: I could become normally and naturally pious. Ezek 36:24-27 really perked me up and lifted my spirits because it gave me a light at the end of the tunnel whereas before then, I had none.

Eph 2:11-22 tells how that God has a way for Gentiles to share in the Jews' benefits. The light at the end of the tunnel spoken of above is available to everyone on Earth regardless of age, race, color, or gender; which the apostle Peter sums up by saying:

"Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. His divine power has given us everything we need for life and piety through our knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and goodness. Through these He has given us His very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature." (2Pet 1:2-4)


TALLY UPDATE: 490 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 29,845,410 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Jan 18, 2020 - 18:49:35
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● Eccl 12:7 . .Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

The second half of that passage is what interests me the most because Adam's body was made of the dust of the earth, but his soul wasn't made like that. According to Gen 2:7, the breath of life made Adam's soul.

So; I think it's fairly safe to assume that where Ecc 12:7 says that the spirit shall return to God, it's talking about God laying claim to a dead person's soul; and that is a very, very unnerving proposition.

"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." (Heb 10:31)

According to Matt 10:28, assassins can take the life of a man's body, but they are powerless to take the life of a man's soul; which means that a man's death doesn't terminate his existence; there's still God to reckon with.

● Matt 10:28 . . Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

The Greek word for "hell" in that verse isn't hades, it's geena (gheh' en-nah) i.e. the sum of all fears. So then, the rich man incarcerated in hades as per Luke 16:19-31 still has his soul and won't lose it till he's transferred to geena during the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15 where people will undergo a gruesome termination akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

● Matt 16:26 . .What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?

There are far too many people on internet forums casually discussing the sum of all fears as if they're in a Jane Austen book club discussing a chapter of Pride And Prejudice. Well; let me say to those grasshoppers: the hades described in Luke 16:19-31 is bad enough, but the geena of Isa 66:23-24, Matt 10:28, and Mark 9:43-48 is much worse because it's in there where people lose their human souls and quite possibly given a demonic soul in exchange.

I'm not claiming the part I said about a demonic soul is true; I'm only suggesting it's a distinct possibility because the lake of fire wasn't initially constructed for humans, rather it was initially constructed for the Devil and his angels. (Matt 25:41)


TALLY UPDATE: 502 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 30,576,318 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Jan 23, 2020 - 20:26:18
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FAQ: Seeing as how Satan is harvesting more souls than Christ, then he'll get the last laugh won't he? Like "LOL, I got more than You!"

A: Satan is a narcissistic alpha male. His personality feels very strongly that it's not good enough to win; everyone else must lose, viz: people like him will not settle for a market share, no, they will settle for nothing less than the whole market. In their thinking, anything less than 100% market share makes them feel inadequate and less than a success. Were you to ask them what number would satisfy them; they'd likely answer: More.

In Satan's mind "more than you" isn't enough to cheer him up for an LOL. Anything less than all is nothing to brag about because in his mind, there are no second place winners. Ergo, any souls taken by Christ, no matter how few in number, are painful for Satan because that massive ego of his can't, and won't, tolerate the reduction of even one soul in his inventory. In a mind like Satan's, Christ is a thief taking things for himself that rightfully don't belong to him.

According to Rev 12:12, the Devil's final hours characterize him in a very disagreeable mood.


BTW: There was a time when Satan had the entire human race in his bag. Little by little, goody-two-shoes Jesus has been whittling that number down; and the losses must really gall ol' Smutty Face.

You know; it's not easy to be a devil. The poor creature is stuck with a personality that allows him very little peace of mind, if any.


TALLY UPDATE: 507 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 30,880,863 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Sat Jan 25, 2020 - 04:13:47
TALLY UPDATE 507 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 30,880,863 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
Sir, while I can appreciate some things that you say, on this subject you are encouraging children of the wicked one like Arron Rogers by giving them some very good reasons why they think they are right in mocking certain true biblical doctrines while rejecting others that even the wicked can reason within themselves and see just how inconsistence a certain doctrine is!

So, you believe that all of the wicked when they die go straight to a firey burning hell? Dear sir, no such doctrine can be supported by the holy scriptures. The wicked go INTO DARKNESS AND SILENCE there waiting for the JUDGEMENT DAY to be judged and THEN sentence to the LAKE OF FIRE which is the SECOND DEATH a eternal perishing/destruction! FOREVER~without any possibility of being delivered!

The PLACE of the lake of fire will be THIS EARTH as we know it per the word of God.
Quote from: The apostle Peter
2nd Peter 3:10-12~"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?"
THIS IS HELL FIRE, not some so-called purgatory made up by Catholicism. There is NO SUCH doctrine taught in the word of God where God will cause people to suffer world WITHOUT END in a burning hell~that's goes against all that God is, not to mention that it is NOT in the word of God but in man's religion created by his own mind.

May God save you from believing in this lie from Satan. 

I had a sister that died yesterday, and as far as I know, she died without Christ, so she is at the moment in darkness and silence with NO conscience of this world, much like those who are arrested and put into jail THERE WAITING to go before the Judge TO BE SENTENCE and THEN punish. It is insane to believe that the wicked are now IN A BURNING HELL and then will be taken OUT from there only to be judged and CAST AGAIN back into hell fire FOREVER, world without end! False doctrine breeds Atheism, what else can it breed?
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Mar 05, 2020 - 11:25:42
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Were I to be asked my opinion what might be an attitude that is just about guaranteed to put  people on the road to hell, my answer would have to be indifference.

● Heb 5:8-11 . .Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; and being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him-- called of God an high priest after the order of Melchizedek; of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

"dull of hearing" refers to a lack of interest, viz: indifference; for example:

● Zech 7:11-12 . . But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear. Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which The Lord of hosts hath sent in His spirit by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from The Lord of hosts.

Again:

● Matt 13:13-15 . .Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, which says: "You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.

. . . For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them."

And again:

● John 3:19-21 . .This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.


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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Mar 10, 2020 - 22:16:45
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● Gen 6:3 . . And the Lord said: My Spirit shall not strive with man forever for they are only mortal flesh.

A problem with flesh is it's brevity. The human body eventually loses its vigor, so God has a limited amount of time to work with people before they pass on. Were humans immortal, He would have plenty of time to turn people around; but alas, without access to the tree of life, such is not the case; which is why I sometimes advise certain folk to use what time they have remaining to begin preparing themselves for the worst when they pass on.


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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Wed Mar 11, 2020 - 03:46:33


TALLY UPDATE: 554 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 33,743,586 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NO SUCH PLACE, unless hell is used in one of its biblcal sense to be the GRAVE, then you may be close. Dear sir, you know that hell in the word of God is used in different senses than the most common sense known by even the world who believes the same lie that you are taeching~most likely in ignorance, nevertheless against the testimony of God's word.
Quote from: A WISE MAN
Proverbs 23:14~Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.
What is the salvation from hell in this proverb? This cannot literally mean the lake of fire, or eternal life would depend on child discipline, not the grace of God. But hell is also used metaphorically for trouble, destruction, and death (Psalms 16:10; 18:5; 86:13; 116:3; Isaiah 5:14; 28:15; Jonah 2:2). Here is a dysfunctional and troubled life leading to premature death, either by accident, crime, revenge, or capital punishment. A salvation indeed!

There are many more that just might cause you to re-think your doctrine on a PRESENT HELL FIRE that the word of God does not teach! There IS a hellfire called the LAKE OF FIRE which is the second death where the wicked SHALL PERISH~but, there is NO PRESENT hell burning with fire where the wicked lost go until the resurrection~it does not MAKE SENSE to put a person in hellfire NOW ONLY to bring them out to JUDGE THEM and cast them into the lake of fire where they shall PERISH, per John 3:16, etc.~but according to your doctrine CONTINUE ON FOREVER~again, against the teaching of God's word.



Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Mar 19, 2020 - 22:58:42
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"It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels' sin unforgivable. There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death." (CCC 393)

That quote is taken from the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Well; I don't really know just how true it is, but Jesus said something that suggests very strongly to me that Rome is spot-on.

● John 8:21-24 . . Once more Jesus said to them, "I am going away, and you will look for me, and you will die in your sin. Where I go, you cannot come."

. . .This made the Jews ask, "Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, 'Where I go, you cannot come'?"

. . . But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am [the one I claim to be], you will indeed die in your sins.


TALLY UPDATE: 563 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 34,291,767 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Mar 28, 2020 - 19:39:18
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FAQ: Are there any non religious ways to heaven?

A: Surgery.

● Matt 19:12 . . For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.

● Matt 5:29 . . If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out, and throw it from you; for it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

● Matt 5:30 . . And if your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off, and throw it from you; for it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than for your whole body to go into hell.


TALLY UPDATE: 572 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 34,839,948 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Apr 04, 2020 - 21:51:42
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Most of the boys I grew up with wanted to experience sleeping with a girl at least once in their lives. Well; the Viet Nam war foreshortened the lives of a pretty large number of boys in their teens, and also young men in their early twenties, who never got their longings satisfied. On top of that, some of them not only missed out on sleeping with a girl, but they went straight to the fiery sector of hades from the battlefield.

I can only imagine how grief-stricken those guys must be. They not only missed out on this life, but the next too. Hell for them is a double whammy of despair; defined by Webster's as utter loss of hope. i.e. to expect neither relief nor improvement in one's circumstances.

● Eccl 3:1 . . To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven.

Well; there's a time for love-- in hades there's no going back to make up for lost time.


TALLY UPDATE: 579 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 35,266,311 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Apr 09, 2020 - 11:11:16
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According to Luke 16:22, angels provided Lazarus' transportation to Abraham's afterlife location. The Bible doesn't say who, or what, provided the rich man's transportation to the other afterlife location.

One of the most disturbing scenes I've yet to observe in a Hollywood movie occurs in "GHOST" starring Patrick Swayze and Demi Moore. When someone marked for the other place passes away, these eerie phantoms emerge, uttering awful moans, and drag their panic-stricken prey down into the ground. I don't know if any of that is true or not; but it seems plausible.

But can you picture in your mind's eye just how startling and terrifying it would be to die and of a sudden be able to see the spirit creatures all around us stalking people day and night 24/7 without our knowing, patiently waiting the moment when they can haul us off?


TALLY UPDATE: 584 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 35,570,856 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: Amo on Sun Apr 12, 2020 - 16:49:20
Psa 146:1  Praise ye the LORD. Praise the LORD, O my soul. 2 While I live will I praise the LORD: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being. 3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. 4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Ecc 9:5  For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. 7 Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works. 8 Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment. 9 Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun. 10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Joh 3:14  And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Apr 14, 2020 - 11:29:46
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● Rev 20:15 . . Whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The numbers that I post from time to time only tally the people on a road to that lake. In less than two years they've added up to approximately 35.9 million. Were we to add up everyone headed for the lake beginning as far back as Cain and Abel, it would amount to considerably more.

Christ has been designated by God to conduct the proceedings depicted at Rev 20:11-15. Well; I used to wonder how he would ever get around to each one of those people, until someone reminded me that time is not a concern.

● John 5:26 . . As the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.

Well; the life that's in the Father is eternal life; which is a kind of life that always was, it always is, and it always shall be. So Christ has enough time at his disposal to take cases at his leisure, i.e. whenever he feels like it and/or gets around to it.


TALLY UPDATE: 589 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 35,875,401 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Apr 17, 2020 - 21:13:19
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● Rom 2:12 . . All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.

Usually when the apostle Paul (a trained Pharisee) writes about "the law" he's referring to the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

Not everyone on Earth is familiar with that particular code, nor required to comply with it. So those folk will be judged on the basis of their culture and their conscience, i.e. how well they complied with the law of the land and with their own personal opinions about right and wrong; plus the standards they set for others but not for themselves. (Rom 2:14-16)


TALLY UPDATE: 592 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 36,058,128 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Sat Apr 18, 2020 - 04:20:41
If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 36,058,128 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
Well, let me help you~ZERO has checked in~the simple reason is "NO SUCH" place exist, only in the minds of folks who have been deceived by Catholicism~concerning their lying doctrine of purgatory that they invented to gain access to folk's $$$$$$$..... after all, it cost a lot of money to operate the 121 acres called Vatican City~folks of that city have never had a real job in their life but depend on themselves having the power of SEDUCING gullible souls... mostly women and weak-minded men in order for them to live in such luxury~ while they fantasize about having sex with little boys.

Sir, your fiery sector of hades is much more empty than every Major League sports arena in America at this present time of the Coronavirus. 
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri May 01, 2020 - 20:40:25
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FAQ: If the consequence for rejecting Christ is eternal punishment in hell, then why does scripture say: And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matt 10:28)

If the soul is also destroyed, then shouldn't that mean complete annihilation of all conscious existence? If so; then how can the lost's suffering in hell be eternal?


A: Adam was warned that he would die the very day he tasted the forbidden fruit. However, Adam continued to live for several centuries afterwards; which tells me that the death of souls spoken of in Matt 10:28 may not be all that quick, rather, they may have to endure a lingering death. In other words: the lost should probably expect to soak in brimstone an unspecified number of years before they finally, and completely, pass away: if ever.

TALLY UPDATE: 606 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 36,910,854 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Sat May 02, 2020 - 05:23:37
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FAQ: If the consequence for rejecting Christ is eternal punishment in hell, then why does scripture say: And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matt 10:28)

If the soul is also destroyed, then shouldn't that mean complete annihilation of all conscious existence? If so; then how can the lost's suffering in hell be eternal?


A: Adam was warned that he would die the very day he tasted the forbidden fruit. However, Adam continued to live for several centuries afterwards; which tells me that the death of souls spoken of in Matt 10:28 may not be all that quick, rather, they may have to endure a lingering death. In other words: the lost should probably expect to soak in brimstone an unspecified number of years before they finally, and completely, pass away: if ever.

TALLY UPDATE: 606 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 36,910,854 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Sir, again your reasoning is from your own heart, (and that's a dangerous place to reason from for ALL of us)  not from the word of God. You very well may be sincere and mean well, God will be your judge in that day, not man~so it is very important to labor to know the truth so that we shall not be ashamed before him in that day. We all want to hear him say~'WELL DONE thou good and faithful servant"........ do we not?

That being said~ you asked this question:
Quote from: NyawehNyoh Reply #100 on: Yesterday at 20:40:25
If the soul is also destroyed, then shouldn't that mean complete annihilation of all conscious existence?
It does indeed! Let me see if I can help you to see this very clearly, which truly is my desire, NOT to put another man down just to be putting him dowm~God forbid.

NyawehNyoh, do you believe that Jesus paid IN FULL our sin debt? Of COURSE, he did, he suffered DEATH~"NOT" eternal suffering in the hell of fire! If I believe like so many others believe concerning ETRANAL SUFFERING in hell fire, then why did not Jesus suffering the SAME if INDEED he paid IN FULL our condemnation of God's broken law? I MUST have an answer if someone asked me this question, should I not? WHY would the justice of God (which is based on pure RIGHTEOUSNESS) acquire sinners to suffering MORE than what Christ did when he died on the cross and was buried in the grave (tomb).  If Jesus had not been sinless then he would have PERISH in the grave with NO HOPE of living eternally in the true PARADISE OF GOD~the world to come.   You said:
Quote from: NyawehNyoh Reply #100 on: Yesterday at 20:40:25
Adam was warned that he would die the very day he tasted the forbidden fruit. However, Adam continued to live for several centuries afterwards; which tells me that the death of souls spoken of in Matt 10:28 may not be all that quick, rather, they may have to endure a lingering death. In other words: the lost should probably expect to soak in brimstone an unspecified number of years before they finally, and completely, pass away: if ever.
The very second Adam sinned he DIED SPIRITUAL and UNLESS a person is born of God they will die the SECOND DEATH which is death by PERISHING in the lake of fire, which will be THIS EARTH when it is DESTROYED by fervent heat in that day with all of the wicked who were not IN CHRIST when he died and in full paid for their sins by his own RIGHTEOUSNESS which God, The Righteous JUDGE OF ALLL declared as satisfying his Holy Justice, by raising him from the dead and us by being  IN him.
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TALLY UPDATE: 606 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 36,910,854 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
Sorry, to inform you but that has not as of yet taken place~ as described to us from Peter's writings in 2nd Peter three! There is no such place as hellfire where the wicked are suffering! At the moment they are in DARKNESS and total silence unto the resurrection day when and where they shall be judged and THEN cast into the LAKE OF FIRE which will be THIS WORLD when it is destroyed by the FIRE OF GOD in that day and THERE PERISH per John 3:16; etc.

Prove me wrong if you think you can, just be prepared to do so. I have the word of God on my side supporting my understanding~that's all I need. I have NO powerful denominations etc. etc.

This I know: there are many more with me (and ALL others who have truth) than with all sects combined.
Quote from: The man of God
2nd King 6:15-17~And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, "Alas, my master! how shall we do? And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them. And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha."
Praise be to our God! Believest thou this?
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Sun May 03, 2020 - 04:10:43
Greetings NyawehNyoh~I'm waiting for the first-ever response back from you.   Even within this thread, I have posted a few times to you, but so far you act as though no one is saying anything to what you are saying. RB
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun May 03, 2020 - 16:26:09
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I'm waiting for the first-ever response back from you.

I welcome your comments as I sincerely believe that visitors are entitled to a second opinion in matters related to life after death.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Tue May 05, 2020 - 05:56:27
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I welcome your comments as I sincerely believe that visitors are entitled to a second opinion in matters related to life after death.
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Well, not exactly what I would desire, nevertheless, thank you.  One more thought: the world is full of man's opinions, what they need is TRUTH~that alone sets men FREE where only peace and joy can truly be obtained that will last.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue May 05, 2020 - 11:14:53
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FAQ: What does Eph 2:3 mean where it says: We were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.

A: Well; in a nutshell; it means that the sum of all fears is the only option for human nature.

FAQ: But human nature is intrinsic in human beings, viz: human nature is what makes us human. You mean people are missing out on heaven just for being human?

A: Yes. (John 3:3-7, Rom 8:5-8, and 1Cor 15:50)

TALLY UPDATE: 610 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 37,154,490 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat May 09, 2020 - 18:38:22
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There is a significant difference between pollution and corruption.

Pollution refers to surface contamination whereas corruption refers to internal decay; for example;

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness." (Matt 23:27-28)

The Pharisees were the most righteous men in all of Israel; they were squeaky clean, but their piety was only skin deep. Down in their innermost being there was decay going on not easily detected.

One year a pine tree broke off at its base and fell into my yard nearly striking my house. From all outward appearances, the tree appeared strong, healthy, and sturdy; but when it's trunk snapped open, we could see that it was nearly hollowed out from internal dry rot.

Now, it's very probable there's a number of people in pews, behind pulpits, sitting on church boards, and/or singing in choirs who are shining examples of the Christian way of life; while within themselves yearning for the very things that they have both renounced and denounced. They have escaped the pollutions of the world, but not the corruption.

Jesus labeled those people "hypocrites" which is from a Greek word pertaining to actors, i.e. pretenders: people playing a role, viz: going thru the motions.


TALLY UPDATE: 614 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 37,398,126 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu May 14, 2020 - 15:41:31
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I've read Luke 16:19-31 all the way thru several times and yet to find where the rich man was curious about how long he could expect to be incarcerated in the fiery sector of Hades.

Well; that's not hard to sleuth. He no doubt encountered lots of people who've been down there since the days of Cain, the Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, and the Pyramids. Plus, the scuttlebutt would assure him that nobody up to the time of his arrival had ever been released so he shouldn't get his hopes up that he'd be the first.

Something else. The rich man in the story doesn't protest his fate in the fiery sector of Hades. Apparently the man fully understood that he deserved it; and that's not hard to sleuth either.

People down there at the time of the rich man's arrival had access to solid error-free Bible teaching. Abraham wasn't the only prophet across the chasm, all the big guns were over there too; including the man himself: Mr. Moses ben Levi. I know that's true because the Lord said that nobody up to his time had ever been taken to heaven. (John 3:13)

» It's ironic that condemned souls in the fiery sector of Hades might know the Bible better than a good many Christians warming pews, teaching Sunday school, and pounding pulpits.


TALLY UPDATE: 619 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 37,702,671 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Tue May 19, 2020 - 05:50:55
I've read Luke 16:19-31 all the way thru several times and yet to find where the rich man was curious about how long he could expect to be incarcerated in the fiery sector of Hades.
Dear sir, keep reading it, and you will never see it, and the reason why is that there is "no such place"~that is.... the fiery sector of Hades. Sir, Luke 16:19-31 is a parable given based on these words:
Quote from: JESUS CHRIST
Luke 16:13-15~"No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
The lesson being taught in Luke 16:19-31 was given to exhort us to beware of a covetous spirit, for BOTH the rich man and poor man will all die and the ONLY thing they can take with them will be their works that they all produce BASED UPON where their true treasure was. And ONCE we die, there is NO coming back to be given an opportunity to redo our life again, our final state is forever sealed with our works following us. Much more can be said and will if requested, but enough to cause any sincere person to seek their understanding FROM THE CONTEXT of the scriptures, alone.

I will say this~NO poor man goes to heaven just because they are poor and no rich man goes to a fiery sector of hellfire (using your words) just because they are rich. The poor IN spirit is a great price in the sight of God~unlike those wicked religious reprobates seeking to fulfill their sinful lust in the things of this life which in the sight of God is an abomination.  So much more could be added....but enough for now.
Quote from: NyawehNyoh on: Thu May 14, 2020 - 15:41:31
find where the rich man was curious about how long he could expect to be incarcerated in the fiery sector of Hades.
One reason why is that the wicked shall perish when they are cast into the lake of fire after the judgment of THAT DAY~ which will be the second and final death for them.   

Sir, do you really believe that a drop of cold water could truly cool one's tongue? We must look for the truth hidden in this parable spoken AGAINST the covetous Pharisees. Such phrases ought to give us hints that this is a parable with spiritual truths hidden therein for us to learn from.
Quote from: NyawehNyoh on: Thu May 14, 2020 - 15:41:31
Well; that's not hard to sleuth.
Well, so far your investigation is seriously lacking to find the truth that is hidden in Luke 16:19-31, you need God's Spirit to guide you instead of religious beliefs that are against God's testimony of the TRUTH.
Quote from: NyawehNyoh on: Thu May 14, 2020 - 15:41:31
Abraham wasn't the only prophet across the chasm, all the big guns were over there too; including the man himself: Mr. Moses ben Levi. I know that's true  (John 3:13)
No such place has ever existed, only in the minds of folks that have been deceived by religious Pharisees who were not given eyes to see the true teachings in Luke 16:19-31 and for good reasons.
Quote from: NyawehNyoh on: Thu May 14, 2020 - 15:41:31
I know that's true because the Lord said that nobody up to his time had ever been taken to heaven. (John 3:13)
Though Enoch and Elias had, yet not by their own power, nor in the sense our Lord designs; whose meaning is, that no man had, or could go up to heaven, to bring from thence the knowledge of divine and heavenly things; in which sense the phrase is used in Deuteronomy 30:12; Romans 10:6 and John 3.

"The son of man which is in heaven"~ at the same time he was then on earth, so in THIS SENSE, Jesus is the ONLY person that could be said to be in BOTH places at the same time being God incarnate, and being so, taught the pure TRUTH of heaven, that was in the scriptures, yet hidden from the eys of religious folks and certainly from those who made no profession thereof.
Quote from: NyawehNyoh on: Thu May 14, 2020 - 15:41:31
It's ironic that condemned souls in the fiery sector of Hades might know the Bible better than a good many Christians warming pews, teaching Sunday school, and pounding pulpits.
There are many folks that died in their sins that will cast into the lake of fire after the judgment of THAT day, who THOUGHT they were children of God, but their god was truly the things of THIS LIFE where their heart truly was fixed upon just as the religious Pharisees of Jesus' day and many of their children following them under different cults names~but the SAME mystery of iniquity at work.
Quote from: NyawehNyoh on: Thu May 14, 2020 - 15:41:31
TALLY UPDATE: 619 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 37,702,671 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
Zero have checked in, since no such place exists, only in the minds of those whom Catholicism has deceived, who started this lie with their doctrine of purgatory, and from thence most all cults have followed them in teaching the same.           
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue May 19, 2020 - 14:33:58
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The Hebrew word for "thoughts" in Ps 146:3-4 is 'eshtonah (esh-to naw') which has nothing to do with either existence or awareness. The word is very ambiguous and refers to quite a variety of meanings to choose from; including, but not limited to: concerns, anticipations, conceptions, opinions, imaginations, visualizations, ideas, epiphanies, plans, schemes, fantasies, arguments, aspirations, deliberations, and the like.

For the rich man in Jesus' parable at Luke 12:16-20; I would choose ideas, plans, and schemes.

For example: consider all those people who perished in the World Trade Center, and in the Japan and Indonesia tsunamis, and the Haiti earthquake. None of them woke that day planning on it being their last on earth. No, on the contrary; they had people to see, places to go, and things to do: but before the day ended; whatever was on their itinerary lost its importance-- their priorities went right out the window and became no more significant than green cheese on the moon.

All their plans, their dreams, their schedules, their appointments, their schemes, their problems, their ambitions, their loves, and their aspirations went right down the tubes as they were suddenly confronted with a whole new reality to cope with.

The fact is: Ps 146:3-4 doesn't mean that people cease to exist when they die, nor do they lose awareness; no, it only means that whatever was on their minds before they passed away is now null and void.

Take for example Michael Jackson. While working on a new world tour, Jackson died in his sleep. As a result; his tour wrapped on the spot.

When my eldest nephew was paroled from prison, he quit drinking, and began going to college with the goal towards becoming a counselor. For 2½ years all went well. His parole officer was happy, and he was on track and getting good grades. My nephew's future looked assured. And then on the morning of Sept 25, 2015, he dropped dead to the floor of natural causes.

My nephew's passing was a terrible disappointment to everybody; but actually we all kind of expected it. He was grossly overweight, had high blood pressure and high cholesterol, rarely exercised, and smoked. But the point is; my nephew's dream ended just as abruptly as flipping a light switch. And all of our hopes for his success ended the same way, viz: our thoughts perished right along with his.

Death is the mortal enemy of human ambitions. It often casts its long shadow when they set about planning their lives. The Scottish poet Robert Burns noticed that life sometimes throws a curve ball that makes all your careful preparations strike out instead of getting you on base.

He was working one day plowing in the field and uprooted a mouse's underground nest who was all set for the oncoming winter. The mouse had picked a fallow field as the site for its winter retreat thinking it would be safe and snug; unmolested during the cold. But it didn't (or maybe we should say it couldn't) know the workings of powers higher than itself-- in this case, farmers and their machinery.

Mousie, you are not alone in proving foresight may be vain.
The best laid schemes of mice and men go often askew,
And leave us naught but grief and pain for promised joy.


TALLY UPDATE: 624 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 38,007,216 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Wed May 20, 2020 - 04:45:46
The Hebrew word for "thoughts" in Ps 146:3-4 is 'eshtonah (esh-to naw') which has nothing to do with either existence or awareness. The word is very ambiguous and refers to quite a variety of meanings to choose from; including, but not limited to: concerns, anticipations, conceptions, opinions, imaginations, visualizations, ideas, epiphanies, plans, schemes, fantasies, arguments, aspirations, deliberations, and the like.

For the rich man in Jesus' parable at Luke 12:16-20; I would choose ideas, plans, and schemes.
While I may agree with what you said in your post, it does not prove your position on a burning hell at this present time where the wicked go at death according to your teaching. The wicked are in a state of silence, darkness, and unconsciousness, unaware of earth's activity..... there until the resurrection of the last day when they SHALL come forth to be judged and THEN cast into the lake of fire, which IS the SECOND and final death for them. 
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TALLY UPDATE: 624 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 38,007,216 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
I can give you the exact total~"0". Sir, you may mean well and be very sincere, yet you have been deceived by an old doctrine of Catholicism that they invented to boost their coffers~and it worked and still does very well.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat May 23, 2020 - 13:51:50
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Solomon's man under the sun feels there is no conscious existence for people beyond the death of their body; whereas Christ taught that one's soul doesn't necessarily perish with the body.

● Matt 10:28 . . Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.

According to Gen 2:7, the soul is what makes people sentient beings. Christ assures us that part of human existence is able to survive the death of the body; but it's still vulnerable to termination.

● Matt 10:28 . . Be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in hell.


FAQ: If the soul and the body are destroyed in hell; what's left?

A: The spirit.

According to Gen 2:7, the spirit is the life force that makes otherwise inanimate materials sentient.

Christ's spirit survived the death of his body.

● Luke 23:46 . . Jesus called out with a loud voice: Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit.

People's spirit is just as much a component of their human existence as the soul and the body; for example people currently survive in heaven without a body by means of their spirit.

● Heb 12:23 . . the spirits of righteous men made perfect


FAQ: Since the soul doesn't necessarily perish with the body, then what became of Christ's soul when he passed away on the cross?

A: It was taken to Hades. (Acts 2:22-32)

FAQ: Isn't that where the rich man ended up per Luke 16:19-31?

A: Back in Jesus' day, Hades was the afterlife destination of all the dead: the young and the old, and the bad and the good. Abraham and Lazarus were in Hades too, but of course the accommodations in their sector were much better than the rich man's-- they at least had access to water; he doesn't.

TALLY UPDATE: 628 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 38,250,852 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu May 28, 2020 - 21:28:16
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The rich man of Luke 16:19-31 is spoken of as dead, buried, and relocated in a place called-- in the Greek --Haides; and within earshot right across from him are Abraham and Lazarus. (Luke 16:22-23)

Christ is spoken of as dead, buried, and relocated in the very same place as the rich man. (Acts 2:25-31)

Now the interesting thing is: when Jesus passed away on the cross, he entrusted his spirit to God (Luke 23:46) but it wasn't his spirit that went to Hades, rather, it was his soul. (Acts 2:27 and Acts 2:31)

(The Greek word for "spirit" is pneuma, and the Greek word for soul is psuche)

So Christ's afterlife experience was different for the various aspects of his being; viz: his spirit went in one direction while his soul went another, and his body yet another.

From that I think we can safely conclude that the rich man was in Haides by means of his soul, and buried means of his body; while the question remains where went the man's spirit? To whom was that entrusted if not to God?


TALLY UPDATE: 633 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 38,555,397 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Jun 20, 2020 - 12:31:28
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● Matt 5:8 . . Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

A rough-hewn definition of "pure in heart" is when someone is the same on the inside as they are on the outside; which is just the opposite of dissembling; defined as: to put on a false appearance, i.e. conceal facts, intentions, or feelings under some pretense.

Dissembling is a very common form of dishonesty which is practiced by just about everybody at one time or another. Most of us do not always want others to know what we are actually thinking and/or feeling about certain things. The very opposite of that is transparency, which most of us want from others, but prefer not to reciprocate with transparency of our own.

Here's a really good example of someone pure in heart.

"When Jesus saw Nathanael approaching, he said of him, "Here is a true Israelite, in whom there is nothing false." (John 1:47)

Jesus was pure in heart too.

"No deceit was found in his mouth." (1Pet 2:22)

I think we may safely assume there are no exceptions to the sixth beatitude, i.e. no one is exempt; in other words: sincerity and forthrightness aren't optional with God; they're mandatory

"Who may ascend into the hill of The Lord? And who may stand in His holy place? He who has . . . a pure heart . . . he shall receive a blessing from The Lord." (Ps 24:3-5)


TALLY UPDATE: 656 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 39,956,304 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: EYRose on Sat Jun 20, 2020 - 13:41:01
nyawhenyouno how to read the Bible you may come to understand the difference between parable and truth.
Lazarus and rich man was parable.
we know this because when a person dies all thoughts perish.

Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: Choir Loft on Sat Jun 27, 2020 - 11:06:34
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According to Jesus Christ's testimony as a credible expert witness in all matters pertaining to the afterlife; most of the world's responsible souls haven't been making it to safety when they cross over to the other side.

● Luke 13:22-24 . . And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

● Matt 7:13-14 . . Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

● Matt 22:14 . . For many are called, but few are chosen.

Webster's defines "many" as consisting of, or amounting to, a large but indefinite number; while "few" is defined as consisting of, or amounting to, only a small number; viz: relative to many then, few is the lesser. Bear with me while I flesh this out.

According to the US Census Bureau: as of Sep 03, 2018 @ 09:44 pm New York Time, the United States population was approximately 328,503,154 with a death rate of approximately one every 12 seconds; which translates to an average of 7,200 American deaths of all ages, races, and genders during just one 24-hour calendar day.

According to 2009 US Census data; roughly 27.3% of America's daily deaths are under the age of 19, which would indicate that approximately 5,234 of the current daily death rate per 24 hours are adults.

Giving the "many" the benefit of the doubt by limiting their maximum percentage to 51%, would indicate a minimum of 2,669 American adults transferring to perdition every day: which translates to roughly 111 per hour.

That's a very conservative estimate as Christ didn't really specify exact percentages to represent the quantities of "few" and "many". But just think: by the time CBS completes its half hour evening news report, a bare-bones minimum of 55 Americans become new arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld.

Using the ratio of 2,669 condemned souls per 328,506,154 population: computing the number of condemned souls worldwide from a currently estimated global population of 7,496,798,873 people, would suggest something like 60,909 new arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld every 24 hours; which translates to approximately 2,538 global arrivals every sixty minutes on the clock.

That rate would fill Yankee Stadium's 51,800 seats to capacity in roughly 20 hours and 24 minutes. In other words: if the world's daily number of condemned souls started filing into the stadium at 06:00 am this morning, then by 02:24 am tomorrow, the stadium would be full to capacity.

Christmas and New Year are even worse. A study done of 26 years of death certificates shows that coronary fatalities are, on average, 11.9% higher on those days than any other days of the year; with non-heart deaths spiking to 12.2% higher.

The hell I'm describing never closes; no, not at all: it's open for business 24/7/365 nonstop and indifferent to global warming, Wall Street crashes, massive layoffs, outsourcing, school shootings, terrorism, tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, storm surges, nuclear meltdowns, air, water, and soil pollution, a mission to Mars, freeway pile-ups, brown-outs, threatened species, the price of oil, LGBT marriage, student debt, GMO, trade deficits, Obamacare, protests, North Korean nukes, Federal debt, factory recalls, overpopulation, desertification, genocides, revolutions, civil wars, acid rain, road rage, oil spills, conscious decoupling, ISIS, blood diamonds, fracking, twerking, and/or President Donald Trump's tweets.

If classical Christianity's perception of Jesus Christ and the hereafter is correct; then it's apparent that people never stop cascading into the netherworld's dungeons in an endless procession like the unbelievable millions of poultry broilers passing annually through Tyson chicken-processing plants on their way to Wendy's, McDonalds, Carl's Junior, Jack in the Box, Burger King, Chic-fil-A, KFC, A&W, Arby's, Dairy Queen, Taco Bell, et al; and to supermarkets and restaurants all over the USA and wherever else Tyson vends its meats. The slaughtering and the butchering never stop.
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A nice exercise in statistical analysis of the American death toll.  Your local mortuary would be proud of you except that there is one major flaw in your argument.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HELL.

The Bible doesn't certify it, admit to it, or even remotely hint at such a dimension.

The Bible DOES say that the just will inherit eternal life.  It says so quite often in fact.   There is no place in the Bible where it states unequivocally that SINNERS inherit eternal life - even in an underworld torture chamber.

God kills. God does not torture.

The idea that Jesus owns and operates a dungeon of horrors in the bowels of the earth was developed to its modern mythical status by the Roman Catholic church.  Specifically the book THE DIVINE COMEDY written by Dante Alighieri is the transmission device upon which much of the popular myth is based.   The book is divided into three sections; Inferno, Purgatorio & Paradiso.  There are descriptive illustrations at the beginning of each chapter of each section.  The popular science fiction movie THE LAST JEDI even features a scene taken out of Dante's Inferno.  It's not in the Bible, however.  Then again nobody reads God's book, so who cares - right??

The modern English word 'hell' is derived from Old English "hel,helle" (first attested around 725 AD to refer to a nether world of the dead) reaching into the Anglo-Saxon pagan period.ˇ - Wikipedia

Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless. - Ecclesiastes 3:19

The Bible says ONLY GOD has immortal life.

"who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light" - 1 Tim 6:16

In its first pages the Bible makes a clear statement about death and life and God's spirit in the midst of it all.

Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; - Genesis 6:3a

According to the Bible, there is nothing about man that survives physical death.  There is no eternal spark.   Man dies.  That's it and that's all.

BUT

The good news is that God has chosen to grant of His immortal life to those who accept Him and His lordship in their lives.

SINNERS, who continually reject God's offer of forgiveness and immortality, suffer the Second Death mentioned in the book of Revelation.   Sentence to fire means total destruction.  Nowhere in nature does ANY object survive intense heat.  Fire is used by the Bible to describe annihilation and absolute deletion rather than eternal torment.   The example of Sodom & Gomorrah is of paramount importance.   The five cities of the kingdom of Sodom were destroyed by fire.  Not even ashes remained of the destruction visited upon the 5 cities, though if one visits the site today a mysterious sulfurous residue can be discovered.

The idea of spiritual permanence began in ancient Egypt and Babylon.  The pagan myths were adopted by the Greeks and Roman culture.  As the Catholic church adopted much of its pagan culture from ancient Rome, it too adopted and refined the idea of eternal torment as a form of fear mongering to gain and keep members within its domain.  A good example is the financial advantage gleaned from the Catholic doctrine of Purgatory (also nonexistent).  One prays or bribes God to separate a SINNER from an unpleasant afterlife.  It is entirely unBiblical, but nobody seems to care.  Today, protestant churches march in lock step with Roman Catholic teaching.  Thus the "doctrines of demons" spoken of in 1 Timothy 4:1 have come to be an accepted form of Christian ideology.   Nevertheless it is not so.

There is no hell, but there is a total and final destruction.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: skeeter on Sat Jun 27, 2020 - 14:31:33
A nice exercise in statistical analysis of the American death toll.  Your local mortuary would be proud of you except that there is one major flaw in your argument.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HELL.

The Bible doesn't certify it, admit to it, or even remotely hint at such a dimension.

The Bible DOES say that the just will inherit eternal life.  It says so quite often in fact.   There is no place in the Bible where it states unequivocally that SINNERS inherit eternal life - even in an underworld torture chamber.

God kills. God does not torture.

The idea that Jesus owns and operates a dungeon of horrors in the bowels of the earth was developed to its modern mythical status by the Roman Catholic church.  Specifically the book THE DIVINE COMEDY written by Dante Alighieri is the transmission device upon which much of the popular myth is based.   The book is divided into three sections; Inferno, Purgatorio & Paradiso.  There are descriptive illustrations at the beginning of each chapter of each section.  The popular science fiction movie THE LAST JEDI even features a scene taken out of Dante's Inferno.  It's not in the Bible, however.  Then again nobody reads God's book, so who cares - right??

The modern English word 'hell' is derived from Old English "hel,helle" (first attested around 725 AD to refer to a nether world of the dead) reaching into the Anglo-Saxon pagan period.ˇ - Wikipedia

Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless. - Ecclesiastes 3:19

The Bible says ONLY GOD has immortal life.

"who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light" - 1 Tim 6:16

In its first pages the Bible makes a clear statement about death and life and God's spirit in the midst of it all.

Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; - Genesis 6:3a

According to the Bible, there is nothing about man that survives physical death.  There is no eternal spark.   Man dies.  That's it and that's all.

BUT

The good news is that God has chosen to grant of His immortal life to those who accept Him and His lordship in their lives.

SINNERS, who continually reject God's offer of forgiveness and immortality, suffer the Second Death mentioned in the book of Revelation.   Sentence to fire means total destruction.  Nowhere in nature does ANY object survive intense heat.  Fire is used by the Bible to describe annihilation and absolute deletion rather than eternal torment.   The example of Sodom & Gomorrah is of paramount importance.   The five cities of the kingdom of Sodom were destroyed by fire.  Not even ashes remained of the destruction visited upon the 5 cities, though if one visits the site today a mysterious sulfurous residue can be discovered.

The idea of spiritual permanence began in ancient Egypt and Babylon.  The pagan myths were adopted by the Greeks and Roman culture.  As the Catholic church adopted much of its pagan culture from ancient Rome, it too adopted and refined the idea of eternal torment as a form of fear mongering to gain and keep members within its domain.  A good example is the financial advantage gleaned from the Catholic doctrine of Purgatory (also nonexistent).  One prays or bribes God to separate a SINNER from an unpleasant afterlife.  It is entirely unBiblical, but nobody seems to care.  Today, protestant churches march in lock step with Roman Catholic teaching.  Thus the "doctrines of demons" spoken of in 1 Timothy 4:1 have come to be an accepted form of Christian ideology.   Nevertheless it is not so.

There is no hell, but there is a total and final destruction.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft... 
I find the word hell in my bible.

what's the name on the front of the book you call your bible?

Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Jun 27, 2020 - 20:32:00
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I obtain quite a bit of useful information from YouTube; for example how to replace a microwave oven's motor, resolve a computer issue, and/or adjust an electric guitar's intonation.

I also tour the world with YouTube, visiting amazing man-made wonders and natural wonders too. I will likely never travel and get to see those wonders for myself as they really are before I'm dead; but out ahead is coming a one-thousand year era on Earth wherein I've no doubt there will be plenty of opportunity to see everything in the next life that I missed in this one.

● Rev 20:6 . . Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

I suspect that God is keeping a massive, fully comprehensive library that can satisfy all my curiosity-- an archive of information far exceeding the contents of the great library of Alexandria. For example: how did the ancient Egyptians build the pyramids? How did the people of Easter Island move those massive stone heads into position? Is there an end to space; and if so, what's on the other side? Things like that; but also nature's secrets too. How did nature fashion those remarkable rock formations in Utah? Or carve out the Grand Canyon?

There are many mysteries like those that I sincerely hope to find answers to some day. But people in hell won't be allowed access to God's library. They will never get answers to their deepest questions about the cosmos; nor be allowed to travel to all the exotic places on Earth that they missed in this life before passing on to the next.

Another benefit to the coming era is safety. I will have nothing to fear from the animal kingdom like I do now, and plus; those of us who make the cut will be immortal; so we won't fear heights, nor speed, nor any other risk. I love to explore, but don't like to explore places that might cost me my life, lose an eye, or put me in a wheel chair. Well; in the future, I'll be able to explore every corner of the globe to my heart's content in perfect safety and thoroughly enjoy myself without worrying about hazards associated with the journey like piranha, head hunters, frost bite, hypothermia, violent storms, hijackers, terrorists, bandits, and/or shipwreck.

One thing that prevents many of us from touring the world is old age. Well, diminished capacity will never again be a factor dictating what I can eat and drink, were I can go, nor whether I can make it.

People in hell are not only in terrible discomfort, but they're also missing out on the pleasures of adventure, discovery, and exploration; which are three very stimulating activities that, just about everybody I've ever met would agree, make our existence worthwhile.

● Rev 20:5-6 . . But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power.


TALLY UPDATE: 663 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 40,382,667 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Jun 28, 2020 - 12:38:22
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when a person dies all thoughts perish.

Your opinion is addressed back in reply No.109
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Jun 28, 2020 - 13:01:25
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Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless. - Ecclesiastes 3:19

Some of Solomon's remarks in the book of Ecclesiastes appear to conflict with Christ's teachings in the New Testament. Well; the answer to that is actually pretty simple.

According to 2Tim 3:16, Solomon was inspired to write Ecclesiastes, but the catch is: his comments essentially represent a world view-- a philosophy of life under the sun --rather than a book of either history, revelation, or prophecy.

In other words: Solomon's observations are limited to the scope of empirical evidence and human experience; a perception of reality moderated by what we can see for ourselves going on around us in the physical universe rather than the spiritual-- which is at least one of the reasons why Ecclesiastes appeals to cultists, atheists, and agnostics, et al.

Solomon's world view is punctuated with pessimism; which is basically a mindset inclined to dwell on the negative in human experience rather than the positive. For example:

"You only go around once, so do it with all the gusto you can get!"

That was a Schlitz beer slogan some years ago. It's worldly wisdom thru and thru rather than Christ's. Compare it to a couple of Solomon's remarks:

● Ecc 9:5 . . The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.

● Ecc 9:10 . . All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol, the place to which you are going.

That wisdom reflects Schlitz beer wisdom, i.e. it's earthly wisdom rather than the wisdom that comes from above.

Solomon was a very wise man; in point of fact, the brightest intellectual of his day. But Solomon's knowledge and experience were limited. He didn't know everything there is to know, nor had he seen everything there is to see, nor been everywhere there is to go. Whereas Christ's knowledge is extremely vast.

● Col 2:3 . . Carefully concealed in him are all the treasures of wisdom and of knowledge.

Christ, in his capacity as the Word, created everything existing in the current cosmos.

● John 1:3 . . All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.

So then, it only stands to reason that Christ would know more about the afterlife than Solomon because the Word has actually seen it for himself, whereas Solomon didn't see anything beyond the grave when he penned Ecclesiastes.

A good rule of thumb to apply when the teachings of Solomon and Jesus contradict each other, is to keep in mind that Jesus is Solomon's superior, viz: Jesus' teachings trump Solomon's.

● Matt 12:42 . .The queen of the south will be raised up in the judgment with this generation and will condemn it; because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, but, look! something more than Solomon is here.

● John 3:31 . . He that comes from above is over all others.

And Jesus comes highly recommended too.

● Matt 17:5 . . This is My son, the beloved, whom I have approved; listen to him.

So then, when encountering remarks in the book of Ecclesiastes that are out of step with Jesus' teachings in the New Testament; my unsolicited spiritual counseling is to ignore the world's view of the afterlife and go with the wisdom of "My son".

● John 8:12 . . I am the light of the world. He that follows me will by no means walk in darkness, but will possess the light of life.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Jul 04, 2020 - 14:19:57
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The apostle Paul, writing to Christians in the ancient city of Colossi, said:

● Col 3:9-10 . . Do not lie to each other since you have taken off your old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.


NOTE: It's interesting that the Colossian believers were lying to each other, and no doubt would have continued had not Paul commanded them to stop it.

Humanity's original self began its created existence in the image of God (Gen 1:26-27). In other words; Adam started off as an honest man. Clearly then; dishonesty does not reflect the image of God, rather, it projects humanity's own image.

Humanity's original self wasn't created bullet-proof, so to speak. It was corruptible (Eph 4:22). Were that not true, we'd all be honest men rather than a pack of liars, deceivers, beguilers, and dissemblers.

The Greek word for "renewed" is anakainoo (an-ak-ahee-no'-o) which means: to renovate; defined by Webster's as: (1) to restore to a former better state (as by cleaning, repairing, or rebuilding), and (2) to restore to life, vigor, or activity, i.e. revive. In other words: regenerate.

That word anakainoo appears in only one other place in the entire New Testament at 2Cor 4:16, which says:

"Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day."

Quite a few elderly Christians, with years of life and personal experience under their belts, can attest to the truth of Col 3:10 and 2Cor 4:16

This relates to one of the tragedies of Hell. People down there never gave God an opportunity to overhaul their spiritual condition; so now they're no better as persons in the afterlife than they were in this life. After all is said and done-- the big judgment of Rev 20:11-15 is completed, and the new cosmos of Rev 21:1 is up and running --Christ caps everything by announcing:

● Rev 22:10 . . Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile.

In other words: bad people who end up in the ultimate Hell will remain just as bad there as they were here.


TALLY UPDATE: 670 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 40,809,030 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Jul 12, 2020 - 22:09:04
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"Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." (Matt 22:36-40)

The Greek verb for "love" in that passage is agapao (ag-ap-ah'-o) which doesn't necessarily imply either affection and/or fondness. It's more about the way we treat our fellow men rather than our personal feelings about them. This is the kind of love that we ought to be extending to everyone-- friend, foe, and stranger alike. It's the very same love that Jesus taught in Matt 5:44 which reads:

"You have heard that it was said: You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy. But I say to you, love your enemies,"

In other words; you don't especially have to like your neighbors and your enemies, but you do have to be courteous, kind, charitable, tolerant, patient, diplomatic, tactful, gentle, reasonable, fair, deferent, cordial, genial, affable, sociable, helpful, thoughtful, sympathetic, considerate, and cooperative, etc. And of course those all apply to the way that people associate with God too because the same Greek verb is used of loving God as loving one's neighbors and enemies.

The above tells me that quite a few people are on the road to Hell simply because their manners are uncivil, and insufferable, with both God and Man, viz: they not only aren't nice to their fellow men, but they aren't even nice to God-- they don't care about marginalizing Him, tuning Him out, insulting Him, chafing Him, and/or hurting His feelings. In other words: the most important of all the commandments bounces off their thick skulls like a banana thrown at a Russian tank.


TALLY UPDATE: 678 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 41,296,302 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Jul 26, 2020 - 19:12:20
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When someone is on their deathbed, in their last moments, sometimes they begin to perceive that Hell is more than just academic; they instinctively know it's coming and likely to become very concerned about ending up there. In moments like that, people don't need religion, no, they need a knight in shining armor, so to speak, and it so happens there's one available; and he's God-given.

● Luke 2:8-12 . .And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified.

. . . But the angel said to them; "Don't be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. Today, in the town of David, a savior has been born to you; he is Messiah, the Lord."

The angel announced the birth of a savior; defined by Webster's as one who rescues. We've all seen examples-- lifeguards, firemen, cops, emergency medical teams, Coast Guard units, snow patrols, and mountain rescue teams. Rescue workers typically save people in distress who are facing imminent death and/or grave danger and utterly helpless to do anything about it.

In other words: Jesus Christ is a lifeline, so to speak, that God is all set to throw to anyone and everyone for whom destiny in Hell is a foregone conclusion.

● John 3:14-17 . . As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; that whoever believes may in him have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

The incident to which Christ referred is located at Num 21:5-9. Long story short: Moses' people became weary of eating manna all the time at every meal. But instead of courteously, and diplomatically, petitioning their divine benefactor for a different diet, they became hostile and confrontational; angrily demanding tastier food.

In response to their insolence, and their ingratitude for His providence; God sent a swarm of deadly poisonous vipers among them; which began striking people; and every strike was 100% fatal, no exceptions.

After a number of people died, the rest came to their senses and begged Moses to intercede. In reply; The Lord instructed Moses to cobble a replica of the vipers and hoist it up on a pole in plain view so that everyone dying from snakebite could look to the image for relief.

The key issue here is that the replica was the only God-given remedy for the people's bites-- not sacrifices and offerings, not tithing, not church attendance, not scapulars, not confession, not holy days of obligation, not the Sabbath, not the golden rule, not charity, not Bible study and/or Sunday school, not self denial, not vows of poverty, not the Ten Commandments, not one's religion of choice, no; not even prayers. The replica was it; nothing else would suffice to save their lives.

As an allegory, Moses' replica indicates that Christ's crucifixion for the sins of the world is the only God-given rescue from the wrath of God; and when people accept it, then according to John 3:14-17 and John 5:24, they qualify for safety. Those who reject his crucifixion as the only God-given rescue from a fate worse than death, are already on the docket to face it.

● John 3:18 . .Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

» His son's "name" in this case is relative to Moses' replica of the deadly snakes.


TALLY UPDATE: 692 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 42,149,028 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Jul 31, 2020 - 09:35:31
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Abraham's steward, depicted in the twenty-fourth chapter of Genesis, is one of the most pious men in the Bible; you couldn't ask for a better role model when it comes to speaking with God.

All the prayers I learned as a child were rote; just a memorized litany of chant-like mantras. The first time I overheard someone pray candidly-- outspokenly, and conversationally --like that steward, the experience was very moving.


TALLY UPDATE: 697 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 42,453,573 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Aug 10, 2020 - 22:08:49
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● Matt 19:17 . . And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments

Seeing as none but God are good, then it's obvious that none but God can enter into life by means of goodness. However, if someone would like to give it a try anyway in spite of the fact that failure is a foregone conclusion; then Jesus suggests they begin their quest with the commandments.


TALLY UPDATE: 707 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 43,062,663 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Aug 19, 2020 - 13:35:13
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It's not unlikely that all new arrivals in heaven are immediately shuttled off to quarantine in a sort of boot camp where they're indoctrinated with the 100% correct interpretation of the Bible so there'll be no debating with the general population when they get out.

Also, in boot camp, they're schooled in etiquette because people just in from the world can't expect they'll fit right into heaven's peaceful society upon arrival. I'd imagine that those of us who make it to heaven will need some pretty large adjustments made to our manners; most of all, how to keep a genuinely civil tongue in our heads so we won't annoy people and make them uncomfortable.

I doubt there's need of a boot camp for new arrivals in Hell as I suspect everyone destined for that place will fit right in down there just as naturally as a bug in a rug.


TALLY UPDATE: 716 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 43,610,844 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: DaveW on Wed Aug 19, 2020 - 13:41:55
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It's not unlikely that all new arrivals in heaven are immediately shuttled off to quarantine in a sort of boot camp where they're indoctrinated with the 100% correct interpretation of the Bible so there'll be no debating with the general population when they get out.
It may just be that God is too big to fit into just one interpretation.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Aug 30, 2020 - 20:39:31
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● Rev 3:18 . . I advise you to buy from me white garments, that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness may not be exposed.

Apparently when the dead stand before God to receive their final evaluation per Rev 20:11-15, they will do so in the buff, i.e. in full frontal nudity.

There are quite a few folk comfortable in public stripped down to their birthday suit; in point of fact, some of the overly narcissistic types are happy for opportunities to show off their physical assets. But apparently it's not so easy to be undressed around God. For example: Adam-- the perfect man --when wearing what amounted to his skivvies, was reluctant to be caught in the presence of God dressed like that.


TALLY UPDATE: 727 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 44,280,843 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Sep 16, 2020 - 12:29:29
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● Rev 20:5 . . But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The Greek word translated "dead" is somewhat ambiguous. It can refer to physically dead and it can also refer to spiritually dead; for example:

"Jesus said unto him: Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." (Matt 8:22)

Both uses of the Greek word nekros are in that one verse.

So, Rev 20:5 can be translated like this:

"The rest of the dead bodies lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection"


BTW: In a similar manner, Matt 8:22 could be paraphrased like this:

"Jesus said unto him: Follow me; and let the walking dead bury their rotting dead."


TALLY UPDATE: 744 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 45,316,296 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Sep 24, 2020 - 21:04:45
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Rev 14:11 . . And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.

The twenty-four hour non-stop regimen depicted in that future event is described as "the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength"

My question is: Will everyone in the lake of brimstone be given God's wrath in full strength, or will lesser offenders be given some time off now and then.

Breaks would be something to look forward to in contrast to non-stop torment wherein there is only perpetual monotony and despair. How will the super-damned not eventually break down and become raving lunatics?

There are no doubt some pretty tough customers out there who can bite the bullet and take anything thrown at them, but not everyone is a US Navy SEAL or a mixed martial arts cage fighter. Genteel folk, like for instance the former pop singer Michael Jackson, aren't cut out for endless pain and misery. For some, even just the sight of a hypodermic needle is enough to make them become weak and queasy.


TALLY UPDATE: 752 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 45,803,568 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: DaveW on Thu Oct 01, 2020 - 06:13:28
"Jesus said unto him: Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." (Matt 8:22)
Both uses of the Greek word nekros are in that one verse.
But He was not speaking Greek.  What Aramaic word did He use?
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Thu Oct 01, 2020 - 10:29:01
But He was not speaking Greek.  What Aramaic word did He use?
The Peshitta has the word ܠܡܝܬܐ.

That's basically equivalent to the Hebrew word מוּת (https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H4191&t=KJV), which you might be more familiar with.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Oct 09, 2020 - 10:49:09
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Matt 8:11-12 . . I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Outer darkness is again spoken of in Matt 22:13 and Matt 25:30

It appears, from comparison of the available data, that "outer darkness" isn't a location, rather, a state of mind characterized by the deepest possible feelings of anguish and grief associated with loss.

It's akin to the day that God announced to Moses' people they were going to have to stay in that awful Sinai outback until they were dead. They missed their opportunity to enter the land of milk and honey and there was no way to regain it.

The people must've been pretty upset over that; no doubt they had all been joyfully looking forward to a new life over there; and there was no use in praying about it because God had made up His mind.

I've only experienced deep personal grief associated with irreversible loss but one time; that was when my No.1 nephew passed away suddenly of natural causes at the age of 51. I had held him in my arms upon returning home from three years in the Army when he was only a couple of weeks old.

News of his passing has thus far been the only time in my 76 years that I actually clenched my teeth, sobbing out of control, and choking, while clinging to a handrail in the front room to keep from losing my balance and falling to the floor.

Fortunately my wife was out on an errand at the time or she would've been very frightened as she has never seen me in such a state even once during our nearly 41 years of marriage.


TALLY UPDATE: 767 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 46,717,203 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Oct 12, 2020 - 10:43:49
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The criminal records associated with the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15 likely won't be used only to condemn people's actions, but also to prove that the people themselves are not the kind of folk with whom God prefers to associate.

For example; God isn't comfortable with dishonesty. So if the records show that someone was deceptive and/or told a number lies during their lifetime, then they will be barred from heaven; not only for their dishonesty, but also because they are capable of dishonesty.

• Matt 15:19 . . For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders.


TALLY UPDATE: 770 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 46,899,930 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Oct 16, 2020 - 11:34:47
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Eddie Van Halen passed away recently. He was a Roman Catholic. It's not easy to get into heaven via that version of Christianity.

Well; if perchance Eddie didn't make the cut, then he will never again be allowed to even so much as see a guitar let alone pick one up with his hands. Can you imagine a talented, pioneering musician like Eddie never again allowed to do the one thing in life that he enjoyed the most? I mean never again like as in permanently.


TALLY UPDATE: 774 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 47,143,566 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: DaveW on Fri Oct 16, 2020 - 13:08:15
I think that not playing guitar would be the least of his problems.

Being constantly tortured in excruciating heat so intense you would immediately vaporize if God did not prevent it would make guitar playing a distant memory.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Oct 19, 2020 - 11:59:00
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FAQ: The New Testament says that the lost will be put to death in a lake of brimstone. (Rev 20:11-15.) If that's so, then why is it commonly believed that they will suffer till time without end? Don't people have to be alive in order to experience suffering?

A: People's body and soul are slated for destruction in hell fire (Matt 10:28) but I have yet to encounter a New Testament passage verifying that people's consciousness will be destroyed.

FAQ: How can people be conscious when they're dead? Isn't death eo ipso a state of unconsciousness?

A: I've been under anesthesia a number of times for surgery; and every time I was totally unaware of anything going on around me and/or done to my body with knives, needles, saws, probes, and tubes. But I have never been dead so I cannot speak from experience about consciousness in that condition. All I know about existence after death is what I read about it in the Bible.

Matt 10:28 speaks of people's body and soul. It says nothing of their third component: spirit (1Thess 5:23). I suspect that the spirit is where human consciousness resides when people pass away.

The story in Luke describes a man existing in a disembodied condition; which strongly suggests that when tourists pass by to view the dead spoken of in Isa 66:22-24 and Mark 9:47-48, their remains will be visible but not the people themselves because they will be disembodied spirits rather than the whole men and women they were before execution in the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:10-15.


TALLY UPDATE: 777 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 47,326,293 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Tue Oct 20, 2020 - 18:14:59
Eddie Van Halen passed away recently. He was a Roman Catholic. It's not easy to get into heaven via that version of Christianity.
I used to work for a guitar manufacturer, and while I never really met Eddie, I knew plenty of people who worked with him.  They all had one single word that they associated with him, and I'm afraid it's one I can't post right here.

Pretty sure I know where Eddie went.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: DaveW on Wed Oct 21, 2020 - 05:32:28
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FAQ: How can people be conscious when they're dead? Isn't death eo ipso a state of unconsciousness?
When the bible talks about "death," it means separation from God.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Wed Oct 21, 2020 - 13:24:59
When the bible talks about "death," it means separation from God.
Yes, but it's a little more specific than that.  It's a call back to the prophets' words regarding the destruction and cutting off of the House of Israel, and the restoration thereof, which are cast as a death and resurrection.

Ezekiel 37
Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.  Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.  And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

Hosea 1:10
Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Oct 22, 2020 - 11:42:13
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A rich man, in the story located at Luke 16:19-31, passed away and was buried. (Luke 26:22)

Though his corpse lay in repose; the man himself is depicted in the afterlife fully conscious and capable of intelligent thought and conversation; with his memories intact, with eyes that see, a tongue that needs water, a nervous system sensitive to temperature, and an emotional state capable of anxiety.

That all runs counter to passages in the Old Testament that seem to imply that people lose their sentient characteristics when they pass away. How do we deal with this apparent discrepancy between the Old Testament and the New?

Well, first off we need to deal with the fact that:

1» Christ is God's final word to mankind (John 3:31-34 & Heb 1:1-2)

2» He's greater than even Moses (Heb 3:3)

3» He's the incarnated voice of God (John 1:1 & John 1:14)

4» He's smarter than Solomon (John 3:31 & Matt 12:42 & Col 2:3)

5» He was involved in the creation of the cosmos with all of its forms of life, matter, and energy (John 1:1-3, Heb 3:3-4)

6» He has actually seen the afterlife for himself; therefore knowing from experience what he's talking about rather than something he read in a book. (Mark 1:21-22)

From all that, I think that we are safe to conclude that Christ's teachings trump everybody else's teachings. So then, when it appears that the Old Testament contradicts Christ, I strongly suggest that we fall in line with Christ and begin figuring out how to get the Old Testament in step with him in the New.


TALLY UPDATE: 780 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 47,509,020 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: DaveW on Fri Oct 23, 2020 - 05:50:40

From all that, I think that we are safe to conclude that Christ's teachings trump everybody else's teachings. So then, when it appears that the Old Testament contradicts Christ, I strongly suggest that we fall in line with Christ and begin figuring out how to get the Old Testament in step with him in the New.
IMO you are going about this backward. You do not re-interpret the old from the new; rather believe God had a reason for revealing things in the order He chose. Look for the smooth progression.  As the First Fruits of Zion commentary Depths of Torah says on the first reading from Genesis 1:


Prior to the revelation of Torah, human beings might have deduced the existence of a creator, but our knowledge of that creator would be limited to inferences from observation. The Torah introduced God to the world. He disclosed Himself to His creation within it. When God revealed Himself to mankind through the revelation of His Torah, it was as if he declared “Allow Me to introduce myself. I am God.”

That makes Torah a benchmark against which all subsequent revelations must be checked. Divine revelation may be progressive as the prophets reveal more about God and His plan, but subsequent revelations cannot contradict or supplant the initial revelation. We cannot use a later revelation of God to supersede an earlier one because that would deny God’s integrity and immutability. In other words, The God who revealed Himself in Torah is the same God who reveals Himself in His blessed Son Yeshua of Nazareth. The New Testament does NOT supplant the Torah. God has not changed His mind; He has not gotten soft in his old age; He is the same, unchanging and unchanged.

Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Oct 23, 2020 - 10:41:47
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We cannot use a later revelation of God to supersede an earlier one


Maybe you cannot permit Christ greater authority than the Old Testament, but I sure can: for safety's sake

Matt 17:5 . .This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him.

  John 3:34 . . For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God's Spirit is upon him without measure or limit

John 3:36 . . He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: DaveW on Fri Oct 23, 2020 - 11:01:01

Maybe you cannot permit Christ greater authority than the Old Testament, but I sure can: for safety's sake
Matt 17:5 . .This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him.
  John 3:34 . . For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God's Spirit is upon him without measure or limit
John 3:36 . . He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him._
None of which contradicts OT revelation.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Oct 23, 2020 - 19:12:27
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None of which contradicts OT revelation.

I think that we can safely conclude that Christ's revelations trump everybody else's revelations. So then, when it appears that Old Testament revelations contradicts Christ's, I strongly suggest that we align ourselves with Christ's and begin figuring out how to get the Old Testament's in step with his because for Christ's followers, his words have the final say.

John 8:12 . . I am the light of the world; he who follows me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Nov 24, 2020 - 09:48:12
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Famed rock guitarist Eddie Van Halen passed away recently. He was a Roman Catholic. It's not easy to get into heaven via that version of Christianity.

Well; if perchance Eddie failed to make the cut (not saying he didn't; only saying "if perchance") then he will never again be allowed to even so much as see a guitar let alone pick one up with his hands.

Can you imagine a talented, pioneering musician like Eddie never again allowed to do the one thing in life that he loved the most? I mean never again like as in permanently.

Hell is bad enough for ordinary folk; it must be doubly miserable for creative people: the poets, the painters, the sculptors, the architects, the fashion designers, the authors, the choreographers, the gourmet cooks, the engineers, the scientific geniuses, the explorers, et al.


TALLY UPDATE: 813 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 49,519,017 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: DaveW on Wed Nov 25, 2020 - 05:26:06
.Famed rock guitarist Eddie Van Halen passed away recently. He was a Roman Catholic. It's not easy to get into heaven via that version of Christianity.

Well; if perchance Eddie failed to make the cut (not saying he didn't; only saying "if perchance") then he will never again be allowed to even so much as see a guitar let alone pick one up with his hands.
Reminds me of a song by the Righteous Brothers back in the 70s:

If you believe in forever,
Then life is just a one-night stand.
If there's a rock and roll heaven,
Well you know they've got a h*** of a band


All that aside, my bible reads thusly:

Acts 2:19  ‘And I will grant wonders in the sky above
And signs on the earth below,
Blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke.
20 ‘The sun will be turned into darkness
And the moon into blood,
Before the great and glorious day of the Lord shall come.
21 ‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’  quoted from Joel 2.  It is also quoted in Romans 10.13

Most people leave this verse out in their soteriology.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Nov 28, 2020 - 10:02:07
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According to Col 1:13 and Philip 3:20, it's possible to obtain citizenship in the kingdom of God prior to Christ's return. However, residency is reserved till then.

2Pet 1:10-11 . .My brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Jesus wasn't given much of a welcome when he entered Jerusalem the first time on the back of a donkey. I expect that his Father has planned a far more glorious reception for His son than what was given him back then.

And he won't be coming alone; Christ's church will be in a procession right behind him: a magnificent parade, led by him as grand master. I expect that's going to be an amazing sight: enchanting beyond words.


TALLY UPDATE: 817 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 49,762,653 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Dec 01, 2020 - 09:41:26
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Many years ago it occurred to me that even if I was able to force myself to be pious enough during my lifetime to qualify for Heaven; I was pretty sure I couldn't keep it up for eternity. Sooner or later my true colors would show themselves because at the core of my being is the soul of a creature-- the non-divine human nature of the original Adam.

Gen 3:20 . . Adam named his wife Eve, because she would be the mother of all people everywhere.

Acts 17:26 . . From one man He created all the nations throughout the whole earth.

Therefore; my existence is no different than Adam's and that's because my existence was produced by his existence, i.e. I am that first Adam's progeny. I am not a two-fold being, i.e. I am not like Christ: the son of a divine being and the son of a human being. I came from my mother's womb as only the son of a human being, i.e. a son of Adam.

That's a serious handicap because it's already been decided that no progeny of that first Adam will be-- and currently is not --accepted into the kingdom of God (1Cor 15:50) consequently the extremely grave importance of taking the initiative to verify that the nature of Christ is in you per Rom 8:9 and 2Cor 13:5-6 in order to assure that we don't leave this life with only non-divine human nature at the core our being.

2 Pet 1:3-4 . . His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by His own glory and goodness. Through these He has given us His very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.


FAQ: Is the divine nature spoken of by Peter a reward, i.e. something to be earned?

A: No; it's freely distributed and totally undeserved: no strings attached and nothing required in return.

FAQ: Why is the divine nature so seldom mentioned in the New Testament?

A: Because it's usually presented by its other description: eternal life.

FAQ: Eternal life is a freebie?

A: It is.

NOTE: I suspect that people in the fiery section of the netherworld get very upset when they find out how easy it would've been to avoid their fate-- some may even react with screaming and bellowing like wounded dogs.

TALLY UPDATE: 820 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 49,945,380 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Dec 11, 2020 - 19:15:07
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FAQ: Am I allowed to have an opinion?

A: Yes.

REPLY: Well then; the creator depicted in Bible knew ahead of time, by means of precognition, that the human life He was about to create would all have to die because of just one man's sin,

. . . and the human life He was about to create would become so bad that He would have to exterminate most of it in a global deluge,

. . . and the human life He was about to create would be suffering with diseases, poverty, wars, famines, and oppression,

. . . and much of the human life that He was about to create would end up in Hell, then later on restored to their bodies only to be executed by a mode of death akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron,

. . . He's proven Himself to be quite capable of walking over people's bones to get what He wants, and to top it off: has the chutzpa to advertise Himself as a god of love, concern, compassion, and sympathy.


RESPONSE: So in your honest opinion the creator depicted in the Bible is a cruel, fiendish, criminally minded, tyrannical despot far more dangerous than Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, and/or North Korea's Kim Jong-un?

REPLY: YES!

RESPONSE: Well then, it appears to me that you test positive for the so-called fallen nature.

Rom 8:7 . .The sinful mind is hostile to God.


REPLY: My thinking is logical, reasonable, and sensible!

RESPONSE: I fully agree; and that's because I test positive for the fallen nature too.

TALLY UPDATE: 830 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 50,554,470 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Dec 16, 2020 - 14:07:16
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FAQ: What if somebody was born dishonest?

A: You mean like this?

Ps 58:3 . . The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies go astray from birth.

Then I suggest they take advantage of whatever time remains on their life clock to begin preparing themselves for the worst when they pass on.

Rev 21:8 . . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.


TALLY UPDATE: 835 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 50,859,015 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Dec 20, 2020 - 19:25:47
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Rev 21:1-3 . . Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

Rev 21:27 . . Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is deceitful,

Rev 22:15 . . Outside is everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

Those passages are really bad news for natural-born liars because deception and disinformation are pretty much the only way of life they know.


FAQ: What's on the "outside" referred to in Rev 22:15?

A: The sum of all fears.

Rev 21:8 . . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.


TALLY UPDATE: 839 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 51,102,651 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: Reformer on Sun Dec 20, 2020 - 21:27:49
NyawehNyoh:

    A few years ago a writer attempted to estimate the number of people who have lived and died since the beginning of the human family in the Garden of Eden. He supposed that if this Earth were one great graveyard, the graves would be twenty deep—all over the rivers, the mountains, and the oceans.

    If his estimate is even close to being accurate, just think of the billions and billions of people who have lived and died since the dawn of creation. It might interest you to know, however, that only a small percentage of these billions have been exposed to what I call “special revelation.” Is God unmindful of these billions? Is there no hope for any of  the unreached? Will all of the unreached be lost? Of course not!

    It is not my intention to play God. I do not wish to sit upon the Supreme Judgment Seat by advancing the view that many responsible adults who were never exposed to special revelation will presumably be delivered eternally by God’s mercy.

    I favor this position because I’m convinced heaven addresses this question. I do not harbor an insatiable urge to condemn others because they are, or were, unavoidably ignorant of certain facts, events, and truths. It is my position that under certain conditions, God will liberate many who lived and died without a special revelation in the form of audible or written messages. 

    By the “unreached,” I mean those mentally competent and responsible men and women who were receptive to truth, any truth, but who died without any opportunity whatsoever of hearing the Good News about Jesus and responding to it. In other words, I'm speaking of adults who had no occasion to be exposed to any kind of special disclosure, whether by direct contact with God, Jesus, angels, prophets, apostles—or by way of scripture. We will not address those who were or could have been exposed to some form of special revelation but neglected or refused to accept the opening. They are not included in these thoughts.

    Hell may not be as pregnant with the lost as  NyawehNyoh indicates.

Buff
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Mon Dec 21, 2020 - 03:21:54
Rev 21:8 . . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.
Greetings NyawehNyoh, it's me again~While I may admire some things about your past posts, on this doctrine I reject it 100%, because it goes against God's testimony of the truth. I've written on this several times to you and will not continue doing so, but I do desire for the sake of any new person reading your lastest post Re: Hell's Daily Tally~will say two thing to you:

First: what scriptures do you have to support your doctrine that there is at this moment a burning hellfire that has been burning since Cain, where the wicked are living UNCONSUMED, and that will be resurrected from there only to be judged and then cast in the lake of fire? Just one scripture would suffice. Do you know just how irrational that doctrine is? The faith which God is well pleased with~ it is not irrational, but very logical to any man with true wisdom.

Secondly: That wicked do not have eternal life in any sense whatsoever should be obvious to any spiritually minded person. Question for you: what does the second death mean to you? Please give us your understanding. The lake of fire IS the second death is it not?
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    By the “unreached,” I mean those mentally competent and responsible men and women who were receptive to truth, any truth, but who died without any opportunity whatsoever of hearing the Good News about Jesus and responding to it. In other words, I'm speaking of adults who had no occasion to be exposed to any kind of special disclosure, whether by direct contact with God, Jesus, angels, prophets, apostles—or by way of scripture. We will not address those who were or could have been exposed to some form of special revelation but neglected or refused to accept the opening. They are not included in these thoughts.
Buff~Trust all is going well with you. A couple of thoughts concerning your post.

There will be thousands of MILLIONS.....living in the New heaven and earth.
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Genesis 24:60~And they blessed Rebekah, and said unto her, Thou art our sister, be thou the mother of thousands of millions, and let thy seed possess the gate of those which hate them.
Many of these thousands of millions, will never have heard of Jesus Christ, especially so to the degree that we have, and even among us, still God's revelation of truth is not given to the same measure unto all. That being said, I will add this: regeneration is God's work apart from ALL MEANS, including his written testimony to us concerning many great doctrinal truths. The written testimony of God is for those men and women whom God HATH quickened to life that they may KNOW concerning WHY they have hope, and desire to live differently than others, for apart from God's written revelation WE WOULD NOT KNOW, even though we may live differently than others, but the reason for desiring to do so would be hidden from us without God's word. He could have chosen other means to give us this revelation, but he chose the foolishness of preaching to convey these truths to us. He just as easily could have tress growing messages to us every so often, and thousands of millions other ways, since is wisdom and power in infinite.

My friend~just as the prophet Jonah said:
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Jonah 2:9~"But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.
Jonah had to learn this truth the hard way, we can read and believe and preach it. God does not NEED our hands, feet, nor money to get salvation to the lost world, he is more than able to do it BY HIMSELF just as he did with Abel before Billy Graham came along~who vainly thought that God called him to get unregenerate men born again and to add to the number, giving many a false hope of eternal life.  And most of these people (ones truly born of the Spirit of God) we shall never meet in our lifetime, just as they will never meet us:
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2nd Timothy 2:19~"Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: DaveW on Mon Dec 21, 2020 - 05:32:51
    If his estimate is even close to being accurate, just think of the billions and billions of people who have lived and died since the dawn of creation. It might interest you to know, however, that only a small percentage of these billions have been exposed to what I call “special revelation.” Is God unmindful of these billions? Is there no hope for any of  the unreached? Will all of the unreached be lost?
That reminds me of the pastor of the church I attended in high school.  (had some serious doctrinal problems) He taught that NO ONE prior to the thief on the cross went to heaven. Since salvation is ONLY in the name of Jesus (acts 4.12) no one before that could have possibly heard the name of Jesus. Not Adam, not Noah, not Abraham, not Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, David, etc.  ALL burning in hell.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Dec 21, 2020 - 12:17:44
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FAQ: What's to become of all the countless billions of folk that have gone into the afterlife with no knowledge of Jesus Christ? Are they condemned for unbelief?

A: Unbelief as it's related to Christ's gospel is one thing; whereas unbelief as it's related to the universal gospel is quite another. For example the text of the universal gospel located in Rev 14:6-7 which reads:

"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, announcing with a loud voice: Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

There's no baby Jesus, no virgin conception, no crucifixion, and no resurrection in the universal gospel. It's a bounce from the first chapter of Genesis, with elements from the 19th Psalm. The universal gospel is very basic; pretty much all it says is:

1» There's a supreme being.

2» He deserves respect.

3» There's a reckoning to face some day.

4» The cosmos-- all of its forms of life, matter, and energy --is the product of intelligent design.

According to portions of the letter to Romans, everyone has access to the universal gospel via their logic, their conscience, and the realm of nature so that the angel won't be announcing anything new; it will only be reiterating what every sensible person knows already without having to read a Bible or listen to a preacher.

Unbelief as it's related to the universal gospel is serious, but far less serious than unbelief related to Christ's gospel (see Luke 12:47-48). People who resist and/or suppress Christ's gospel are immediately condemned when they do so-- no delay and no waiting period. (John 3:18 & John 3:36).
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: Reformer on Mon Dec 21, 2020 - 13:51:08
NyawehNyoh:

    If, by “universal gospel,” you mean every mentally competent person has some form of access to divine truth, I agree. But if you mean something different from that, explain.

    It was Paul who announced, “For what can be known about God is plain to them [pagans], because God has shown it to them. For His invisible attributes, namely, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made” [Rom. 1:18-20]. As I noted in my post above...

    By the “unreached,” I mean those mentally competent and responsible men and women who were receptive to truth, any truth, but who died without any opportunity whatsoever of hearing the Good News about Jesus and responding to it.

    Any person, since Adam and Eve, who accepted divine truth “through the things that have been made,” but unexposed to divine truth in the form of Jesus, angels, prophets, apostles, or by way of scripture, will be saved. I strongly recommend you read Paul again in Acts 14:17 and 17:26-28. In truth, our God “is actually not far from each of us.”—Paul.

Maybe more later,

Buff
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Tue Dec 22, 2020 - 04:02:11
What's to become of all the countless billions of folk that have gone into the afterlife with no knowledge of Jesus Christ? Are they condemned for unbelief?

Unbelief as it's related to Christ's gospel is one thing; whereas unbelief as it's related to the universal gospel is quite another. For example the text of the universal gospel located in Rev 14:6-7 which reads:

"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, announcing with a loud voice: Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

There's no baby Jesus, no virgin conception, no crucifixion, and no resurrection in the universal gospel. It's a bounce from the first chapter of Genesis, with elements from the 19th Psalm. The universal gospel is very basic; pretty much all it says is:

1» There's a supreme being.

2» He deserves respect.

3» There's a reckoning to face some day.

4» The cosmos-- all of its forms of life, matter, and energy --is the product of intelligent design.


According to portions of the letter to Romans, everyone has access to the universal gospel via their logic, their conscience, and the realm of nature so that the angel won't be announcing anything new; it will only be reiterating what every sensible person knows already without having to read a Bible or listen to a preacher.

Unbelief as it's related to the universal gospel is serious, but far less serious than unbelief related to Christ's gospel (see Luke 12:47-48). People who resist and/or suppress Christ's gospel are immediately condemned when they do so-- no delay and no waiting period. (John 3:18 & John 3:36).
Greetings again NyawehNyoh~While I do agree that God has a faithful witness in the heavens themselves witnessing every day since they were created, and it should remind man, his highest creation, that we ourselves have a Creator whom we must yield our obedience unto him in all things and will give an account of our disobedience to his laws~and it would be wisdom on our part to seek to know him and what pleases him, and what displeases him, they give witness to us such clear witness and what we feel is not clear, then it is our duty to seek to know.
Quote from: Holy David
Psalm 19:1-6~"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handiwork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof."
With all of our hearts we bless our God his glorious natural creation speaks and shews forth his great wisdom and power to everyone that has ever lived under the heavens, especially so to those who have natural abilities to reason and come to a knowledge of the truth~BUT alas and wonder oh sons of men, that it takes God's power to recreate within man the power to see and understand the God of creation because of Adam's disobedience brought darkness, ignorance and a heart that is at enmity against its Creator!
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People who resist and/or suppress Christ's gospel are immediately condemned when they do so-- no delay and no waiting period. (John 3:18 & John 3:36).
No, not immediately, but BEFORE they were ever born, they were condemned in ADAM their head~this is God's other faithful witnesses that he has exalted above his own name~his own written revelation to us concerning our fate and why it is so!
Quote from: Paul
Romans 5:12-19~"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."
The death here under consideration is twofold~spiritual and the SECOND DEATH in the lake of fire after the final judgment at the Great White Throne Judgement Seat. The lake of fire will be when THIS PRESENT WORLD is destroyed with fervent heat and all shall perish INCLUDING the wicked whose hearts was on the things of this present life and all of the lust that they made their god which they found therein~THEN shall be brought to pass that which is written.......
Quote from: THE HOLY GHOST
Revelation 14:8~"And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication."
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Dec 25, 2020 - 18:33:08
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The night of Christ's birth, he was labeled a savior; which is basically a knight in shining armor who is capable of rescuing folk caught in a strait so strong and so severe that they are totally helpless to either evade it or escape it.

Jer 13:23 . . Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Then may you also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

Christmas may seem like an inappropriate time to discuss Hell, but seeing as how Jesus is directly associated with that terrible place then I think it safe to assume that Hell is not only an appropriate topic at Christmas but an essential topic.

I expect the event depicted at Rev 20:11-15 will a very disturbing spectacle as it begins to sink into people's thick skulls that everything they've heard about Hell is true.

Some of us are going to have to watch as friends, associates, and loved ones become literally pale with terror, lips trembling, mouths too dry to speak, shrieking, sobbing, screaming and bellowing like wounded dogs as their eyes dart about in sheer white-knuckled panic, desperately looking for someone, anyone, to help them as powerful celestial beings are given the order to take them away and have them executed by a mode of death akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.


TALLY UPDATE: 844 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 51,407,196 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: Reformer on Sat Dec 26, 2020 - 14:45:50
NyawehNyoh:

    You may possibly be ascribing many to the  “fiery sector of Hades” who may have made it to heaven’s glory. Since the very beginning, God has revealed Himself to every member of the human creation. He has never left His creation without some form of revelation or witness, even those nations and peoples who have been outside of covenant relationship—such as the Gentiles under the Old Covenant era.

    God has made Himself known to every kindred and nation under heaven. Every person has been able to “seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each of us” [Acts 17:27]. God has, in fact, always been aware of His whole creation, having “determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live” [Acts 17:26]. God is alive in the universe! He knows of and is interested in everyone’s plight. 

    As I’ve already noted, the pagans in the first chapter of Romans were without special revelation. Nonetheless, God had revealed Himself to them through the things He created.  These Gentiles had been given a revelation, but not a special revelation in the form of audible or written messages. They were exposed to divinity through God’s creation. They could have even glorified God and given Him thanks, but they chose not to.

    Every mentally competent person who has ever lived has been able to find God, for “He has set eternity in the hearts of men” [Eccles. 3:11]. All men, everywhere and in every age, have been divinely infused with an awareness of an intelligent Creator and of life after physical death. On that principle, I must conclude there have been many “unexposed” persons who were receptive to the “revelation of creation.” And those who sought God’s face, as limited as it may have been, and who “by persistence in doing good sought glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life” [Rom. 2:7]

    Since God has never required the impossible in any age, it seems to me He will show mercy to those who seek His face, regardless of the revelation under which they have lived or may be living. Note the qualification—those who seek His face. This is the key.

    I suspect you recall the story of Cornelius, a Gentile, as recorded in Acts 10. He is referred to as a “righteous and God-fearing man,” even before he knew about Jesus and the new Way. Cornelius needed additional light. God sent the apostle Peter who revealed a special Light to him and his household in the person of Jesus.

    Needless to say, many “Corneliuses” have died without coming in contact with that special Light. I entertain no doubt but that they were acceptable to God, even if they were not His covenant people. To put it another way: Wherever there are people like Cornelius, there are people acceptable to God

    What else could possibly be required of a man when he responds to the only truth or revelation he knows or can know? Are we ready to exclude him from Paul’s decree that “those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life”?  This man in darkest Brazil does good. He seeks glory, honor, and immortality as best he can, based on the only revelation to which he has access—creation. Paul says God “will give him eternal life!” Read it again. Let us not forget that God does not require the impossible of any man.

    Considering God’s enormous mercy, it seems to me that eternal condemnation for lack of obedience will not be relegated to the receptive heart when opportunity to obey was not available. Bottom line, my brother, is that you may possibly be relegating many to the “fires of Hell” when they have already “landed on the shores of Heaven.”

Buff
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Dec 29, 2020 - 10:50:34
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1Cor 15:22 . . For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Conversely: for as all in Christ will be made alive, so all in Adam will be made dead.

The people summoned from the netherworld to face justice at the great white throne event depicted by Rev 20:11-15 will all be in Adam, and that's why they end up dead in the lake of brimstone.

In contrast, those in Christ (a.k.a. in him) have already satisfied justice by means of Christ's crucifixion so they won't be among the dead at the great white throne event, viz; those of us in Christ are in no danger whatsoever of undergoing execution in the brimstone. (John 5:24 & Rom 6:3-11)


FAQ: How do people get in Christ.

A: By means of a special, supernatural baptism. (1Cor 12:12-13)

FAQ: After those people depicted at Rev 20:11-15 are executed in the brimstone; won't they be brought back to undergo the supernatural baptism into Christ?

A: According to Dan 12:2 & John 5:28-29, there is only one resurrection allotted per person. Seeing as how the dead will use up their one resurrection in order to stand trial at the great white throne event, they won't be coming back from the brimstone.

Ergo: The time to get in Christ (a.k.a. in him) is now, before passing on. Otherwise death will lock you in Adam and you'll be stuck there forever with no hope of escape.


FAQ: What does 1Cor 15:22 mean where it says: " Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him"

A: That alerts us to the fact that not everyone belongs to him. In point of fact, the expression "in Christ" refers to an exclusive fraternity of folk who've undergone the special, supernatural baptism spoken of by 1Cor 12:12-13.

It also alerts us to the fact that there's two resurrections: one for those who belong to him, and of course there's one for those who don't belong to him; which is viewed at Rev 20:11-15.


TALLY UPDATE: 848 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 51,650,832 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Tue Dec 29, 2020 - 14:43:27
FAQ: How do people get in Christ.

A: By means of a special, supernatural baptism. (1Cor 12:12-13)
My good brother, you are listening to other voices other than the holy scriptures. I'll be very short since I just had a tooth implant and not feeling that great. Maybe will add more tomorrow.

NyawehNyoh, neither 1st Corinthians 12:12,13, nor Romans 6:1-3 are speaking of a supernatural spiritual baptism. If you desire for me to go in-depth and prove this I would be happy to do so.
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FAQ: How do people get in Christ?
We get INTO CHRIST by God's election of grace BEFORE the world was ever created! Brother have you not read so much as the following scripture with understanding?
Quote from: Paul
Ephesians 1:4~"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"
NyawehNyoh~we were chosen/placed in Christ before the foundation of the world~THERE grace was freely given to us and THERE an everlasting covenant of grace was ordained by God the Father secured by two immutable acts of God: his OATH and his promises of GRACE!
Quote from: PAul
2nd Timothy 1:9~"Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
There are so many more scriptures that can be given to prove WHEN WE WERE PUT INTO JESUS CHRIST as our head and we members of his flesh! Brother, what do you believe these scriptures are saying to you and all of us?
Quote from: David
Psalm 139:15-17~"My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them. How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!"
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Jan 01, 2021 - 11:36:27
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FAQ: Why didn't Adam eat from the tree of life before his temptation; as a precaution just in case the forbidden fruit really was toxic as he had been led to believe?

A: The tree of life is medicinal, i.e. a natural remedy portrayed in the Bible as a cure for whatever ails you. (Rev 22:2)

In other words; under normal circumstances Adam had no use for the tree of life at first because he was already immortal. Adam was created impervious to death; an advantage he lost by tampering with the forbidden fruit when he was instructed not to.

Gen 2:16-17 . . And the Lord God commanded the man: You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.

Well; Adam didn't drop dead to the floor when he ate the forbidden fruit. In point of fact he continued to live 800 more years beyond the birth of his son Seth. (Gen 5:4)

So the death that Adam underwent due to tasting the forbidden fruit began with his loss of immortality, i.e. Adam's body became infected with mortality which, if left untreated, is 100% fatal. Mortality is a living death that gradually broke Adam down to the point where his body could no longer keep going.

The tree of life would've cured Adam's mortality and restored him to perfect health, but alas he wasn't permitted to take advantage of it.


TALLY UPDATE: 851 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 51,650,832 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Jan 04, 2021 - 10:55:46
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FAQ: Seeing as how human sacrifices are not allowed in the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy; how then was it legal for Jesus-- a Jew whose religion was governed by that covenant --to die for the sins of the world?

A: The laws of God are not retroactive (Deut 5:2-4, Rom 4:15, Rom 5:13) This is extremely important because Jesus was designated, and scheduled, to die on a cross prior to the voice of God creating even a single atom for the current cosmos. (1Pet 1:18-21 & Rev 13:8)

TALLY UPDATE: 854 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 52,016,286 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Jan 08, 2021 - 12:50:00
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FAQ: How was Christ biologically related to Adam without having a biological father? (Luke 1:26-34)

A: The woman wasn't a discreet creation, i.e. Eve wasn't a solo specimen constructed directly from dust like Adam was; instead, Eve was made from already-created human material taken from Adam's body. (Gen 2:21-22)

In other words: chemically, organically, and biologically; Eve was just as much the Man as Adam; except of course for gender. (Gen 2:23)

So then, any posterity that Eve's body might engender would be Adam's posterity just as much as they would be hers because every part of the posterity's bodies-- including their brains --would be constructed with material taken from their mother's body; which was, in turn, constructed with material taken from Adam's body.

Addressing the Serpent, God said:

"I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel." (Gen 3:15)

Pretty much everybody on both sides of the aisle agrees that passage predicted Christ.

"her seed" indicates that Christ would be Eve's biological posterity; and if so, then he would also be Adam's biological posterity because all of Eve's bodily parts and functions were constructed of material taken from Adam's body.

There's more.

Mary's pregnancy is stated to be caused by, not an implant, rather, caused by conception.

Luke 1:31 . .You will conceive in your womb, and bear a son, and you shall name him Jesus.

In order for Mary's pregnancy to be the result of conception, her body's seed would have to be involved. Well, unless someone can prove beyond the slightest hint of sensible doubt that Mary's body was in no way the biological posterity of Eve's body, then we have to conclude that Eve's seed was the origin of Mary's seed; and if so, then the origin of Mary's seed was Adam's body.


TALLY UPDATE: 858 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 52,259,922 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Jan 12, 2021 - 18:58:13
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There are people in this world who, by nature, are affection-challenged. They can't even feel anything for their own children, let alone other people. For them, parenting is a nightmare rather than a dream come true. Their children are a burden rather than a blessing. Children ruin those parents' lives instead of brightening them up and making their lives more worth the living.

However, affection-challenged people aren't damaged beyond repair because Christianity isn't entirely a do-it-yourself religion; it's also a supernatural religion; viz; part of the plan of salvation is renovation.

Rom 8:11 . . If the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His spirit, who lives in you.

2Cor 4:16 . .Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day.


TALLY UPDATE: 862 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 52,503,558 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Jan 15, 2021 - 11:18:08
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Insensitive folk who come from the womb unable to feel compassion, are in very grave danger of the sum of all fears.

Matt 5:7 . . Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.

Jas 2:13 . . For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy.

As an experiment, keep an ear attuned for people who respond to the news of someone's misfortune by saying "It could've been worse." That's a sympathy challenged person.


NOTE: There are a number instructional web sites offering lists of helpful do's and don'ts to assist sympathy challenged people to at least react properly to other's misfortune.

TALLY UPDATE: 865 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 52,686,285 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Mar 17, 2021 - 21:00:27
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There are people in this world who, by nature, are affection-challenged. They can't even feel anything for their own children, let alone other people. For them, parenting is a nightmare rather than a dream come true. Their children are a burden rather than a blessing. Children ruin those parents' lives instead of brightening them up and making their lives more worth the living.

However, affection-challenged people aren't damaged beyond repair because Christianity isn't entirely a do-it-yourself religion; it's also a supernatural religion; viz; part of the plan of salvation is regeneration-- via the hand of God.

Rom 8:11 . . If the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His spirit, who lives in you.

2Cor 4:16 . .Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day.


TALLY UPDATE: 926 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 56,401,734 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Mar 26, 2021 - 11:41:18
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The world death toll thus far due to the Coronavirus is in the neighborhood of 2,770,734.

That represents approximately .0357% of the world's recent population of 7,751,872,157 people, which is not even one percent; in point of fact, a good deal less than one percent.

In the future, Heaven will cause the world to turn on itself in an apparent attempt to self-destruct with weapons, disease, famine, and wild animals that will cause fully 25% to perish; i.e. one fourth. (Rev 6:7)

If perchance the world's population in that day is the same as now, then 1,937,968,039 people will lose their lives before the calamity is over; in other words: 1.94 billion. That's something like 699 times the current number of global Coronavirus deaths.


TALLY UPDATE: 935 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 56,949,915 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Mar 29, 2021 - 10:50:43
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Rev 8:7 . . The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

Although that event is depicted as something completed already, it's actually yet future. The apostle John wrote of something he was shown; like describing a movie.

The Greek word translated "grass" includes not only lawns and pastures, but also crops; particularly cereals, i.e. those farmed primarily for their grain; e.g. corn, wheat, oats, rye, and rice; et al.

Apparently their destruction isn't beyond recovery because grasses show up again in a later calamity. (Rev 9:4)

The purpose seems to be the destruction of one whole year's worth of global harvest. That could be very bad for 3rd world folk who live hand to mouth, viz: those whose very survival depends upon regular yields.

The cost of grain will already be in a state of inflation prior to the global destruction of the grasses (Rev 6:6). The calamity described in Rev 8:7 will surely drive up the cost of food even higher; possibly to the point where quite a few people around the world won't be able to get enough to eat as often as they'd like.

One third of all trees are slated for destruction too; which no doubt will affect not only those used for lumber, but also fruit trees, e.g. fig, orange, apple, apricot, prune, peach, cherry, banana, and olives etc; along with a number of those that produce nuts.


TALLY UPDATE: 938 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 57,132,642 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Apr 01, 2021 - 09:18:58
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Rev 20:14 . . Death was cast into the lake of fire.

Death is likely a category consisting of everything and anything one can possibly imagine that God considers dead to Himself. Whatever that amounts to, it will all be disposed in that fiery impound. In that respect, the lake of fire could be thought of as a sanitary landfill, viz: a dump for trash and garbage.


TALLY UPDATE: 941 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 57,315,369 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: DaveW on Thu Apr 01, 2021 - 12:39:16
Rev 20:14 . . Death was cast into the lake of fire.

Death isn't tangible. It's not an object; it isn't material, i.e. death per se has no weight, has no dimensions, and takes up no space. I can understand throwing a baseball or a javelin; but how does one throw something like death?
First let's look at the whole verse and a bit of context:

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.  14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

The way this is worded, Death and Hades (hell kjv) are treated as persons.  Probably specific fallen angels.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Apr 02, 2021 - 12:31:33
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The way this is worded, Death and Hades (hell kjv) are treated as persons.

I rather think the wording strongly suggests that "death" is a category, and "hades" is a facility.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: DaveW on Mon Apr 05, 2021 - 05:58:34
I rather think the wording strongly suggests that "death" is a category, and "hades" is a facility.
Based on what exactly?  My interpretation comes from a Greek scholar.  Derek Prince.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Apr 05, 2021 - 10:10:38

My interpretation comes from a Greek scholar.  Derek Prince.

Well; your scholar's thinking easily trumps mine. I flunked senior year in high school, and anon took up welding; a trade not widely respected for its IQ.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Apr 06, 2021 - 09:03:58
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Righteousness and Justification are spoken of together in Rom 5:18 the same as they are in Rom 3:21-24. So then, if perchance someone is fortunate to obtain the righteousness, then they will automatically obtain the justification that goes along with it.


FYI: Righteousness pertains to innocence, and Justification pertains to acquittal.

For example: former US President Donald Trump was recently accused of insurrection. His accusers in the Senate failed to convict him, i.e. the majority voted for his innocence and consequently he was acquitted.

This is what God has done for some of us; except that He has declared us all guilty rather than innocent (Rom 3:23). However; via our faith in Jesus' blood as an adequate propitiation for our sins, God granted us a gratuitous adjudication of innocence, and consequently an acquittal. It's all spelled out in Rom 3:21-28.

The first prayer I prayed that made some sense contained the words below:

"God, I know I'm a sinner. I would like to take advantage of your son's death"

My prayer wasn't much to brag about; but it was the smartest sixteen words I'd ever spoken up to that time.


TALLY UPDATE: 946 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 57,619,914 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Apr 10, 2021 - 10:58:58
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Rev 13:15 . . He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

That passage, taken from the book of Revelation, speaks of an oppressive regime.

To give an idea of the possible number of deaths that passage speaks of, it's only necessary to compare historical administrative murders similar to it. For example:

Russia's Bolsheviks and Joseph Stalin: 20 million

China's Mao Tse-tung: 40 million

North Korea's Kim Jong-un and Kim Jong-il: 3.5 million

Cambodia's Pol Pot: 3 million

Murders attributed to Uganda's Idi Amin, Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe, and Iraq's Saddam Hussein, have thus far been difficult to estimate; but may total upwards of 370,000 + or -

TOTAL: aprox. 66.9 million

Those millions of people didn't lose their lives via foreign invasion. No, they lost their lives due to execution, privation, and starvation by the governments of their own countries who managed to condemn many of their citizens as traitors and/or enemies of the state; so it's easy to see that Rev 13:15's prediction isn't irregular but actually a fairly common practice among repressive governments within which there are few to zero checks and balances in place to prevent human rights abuses.


TALLY UPDATE: 950 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 57,863,550 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Apr 14, 2021 - 18:19:47
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Zech 1:5 . .Where are your forefathers now? And the prophets; do they live forever?

My own father is gone, and the great preacher Billy Graham; he's gone too. My favorite rock and roll guitar player during the years I was a teen-ager was Chuck Berry. He's gone. When I was a sophomore in high school, me and a buddy went to see "The Blob" starring a rather unknown actor at the time named Steve McQueen. He's gone. My eldest brother entered the Catholic priesthood and anon became a Friar. He's gone.

There's hardly a day goes by without someone passing away that at one time was very important to me; a constant reminder that nobody lives forever and neither will I. At my current age of 77, I'll be passing away not too long from now. Most of my life has already been lived and I'm in the home stretch. When I was a youngster, the horizon seemed forever far away; but now, looking at my wasting body, it seems I'm walking on the horizon's very edge.


TALLY UPDATE: 954 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 58,107,186 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Apr 17, 2021 - 22:01:38
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I would like it very much if my friends, associates, and loved ones down in Hades were allowed visitor days because after they're transferred to the lake of fire per Rev 20:11-15, I may never get to be with them ever again.


TALLY UPDATE: 957 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 58,289,913 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Sun Apr 18, 2021 - 03:56:46

I would like it very much if my friends, associates, and loved ones down in Hades were allowed visitor days because after they're transferred to the lake of fire per Rev 20:11-15, I may never get to be with them ever again.

TALLY UPDATE: 957 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 58,289,913 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
Dear freind~you will never visit them again unless they were children of God, then you WILL in the world to come.

Men like Billy Graham preached another gospel and believed in a present burning hellfire~his final state is left in the hands of God, not mine, yet I rather take my chance with a nobody, who believed in the scriptures concerning such doctrines. A popular preacher in this world is not so with God~per luke 16.
Quote from:  NyawehNyoh on: Yesterday at 22:01:38
after they're transferred to the lake of fire per Rev 20:11-15,
Please consider just how irrational that sounds, and rightly so because it is against God's holy word.

The truth is, when the wicked died they know not anything they LIVED NOT again until the thousand years are finished and then and not until then, they will be resurrected to go before The Judge, and then sentence to the lake of fire which IS the second death where they shall perish forever per John 3:16; 2nd Peter 3:9; etc.

Bottom line, there is NO burning hellfire at this moment where the wicked are burning/suffering, only to be taken out and go before the judge, to be cast into the lake of fire. In Matthew 7 when the wicked are before the Lord, not ONE WORD is said to the Lord that they had already been suffering in hellfire~no, they just told him of all the good works that had done in his name in this world~you know the story.

I cannot open men's eyes to this truth, only God can, all we can do is to be a faithful witness of the truth. It's amazing that men will fight for a present burning hell that will be eternal and then thinks they know something of God's mercy, when in truth they know nothing. I cannot think of something crueler than making someone suffer for eternity with no relief. That's not the God I know. Besides, and greater~if Jesus paid the debt of our sin he SURELY did not do so by suffering ETERNALLY, but by DYING "ONLY", or perishing IF NOT that he was sinless he WOULD have~but being sinless, death had NO POWER OVER HIM, so he was resurrected~you know the story.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: fish153 on Sun Apr 18, 2021 - 22:56:24
“Red, do you believe that the saved will live forever and ever when they die?”

Red: “Why yes of course, the Bible SAYS so”.

“Red, do you believe that the devil,and EVERYONE in the lake of fire will be tormented forever and ever? The Bible SAYS so”.

Red: “ No, I don’t believe a merciful God would allow torment forever and ever”

Funny how some believe HALF of what the Bible teaches, because they find the other HALF so hard to understand. They allow their own understanding to take over and rule them instead of simply believing the truth.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Mon Apr 19, 2021 - 05:03:45
“Red, do you believe that the saved will live forever and ever when they die?” Red: “Why yes of course, the Bible SAYS so”.
I labor to believe the TESTIMONY of the scriptures:
Quote from: JESUS CHRIST
John 11:25,26~"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Yes, Lord Jesus, I believe your words, that are life and truth to those that believe.
Quote from: fish153 Reply #180 on: Yesterday at 22:56:24
“Red, do you believe that the devil, and EVERYONE in the lake of fire will be tormented forever and ever? The Bible SAYS so”.
First things first~"Red, do you believe there is a burning hellfire NOW where the wicked go at death?"

No, there is NO burning hell where Adam's lost race who die in their sin go and are suffering NOW, only to be brought forth to the judgment of the last day, to be judged for their sins, ONLY to be cast in the lake of fire, that the holy scriptures God's very own testimony call the SECOND DEATH. This doctrine has too many flaws and certainty is NOT logical to any thinking person's mind~which I have learned that God's truth is very LOGICAL in its teaching of the truth, and is much like we do our affairs in this life. NO ONE suffers the penalty of breaking the law UNTIL they go before the judge to be judged in what we call DUE PROCESS of the law. God's ways are so much more perfect and righteous in judging sinners than man's. There is not one scripture that teaches us of a present burning hellfire where men are suffering in torments yet have life while doing so. It goes against so many scriptures.  The main one is: The wicked do not have eternal life in any sense whatsoever. Also, and very important, Jesus Christ paid the PENALTY for our sins and THAT penalty was death, period. The word of God does not say that the wages of sins is ETERNAL SUFFERING, which is nowhere to be found in the holy scriptures, only in the doctrine of man. 
Quote from: RED BAKER
Folks who believe in eternal suffering ARE IN ESSENCE denying the BIBLICAL atonement for sin that WAS PAID IN FULL by our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ gave his LIFE for our sins, he DID NOT need to suffer for eternity, as a payment for our sins. And neither does a man need to suffer forever for his sins, they will LOSE the RIGHT to inherit eternal life in the world to come and will be cast into the lake of fire WHICH IS the second and final death where they shall perish. This is so important to consider and not pass over lightly just because you have never heard this from YOUR pulpit! There is so much more but must keep moving.
Quote from: fish153 Reply #180 on: Yesterday at 22:56:24
Red: “ No, I don’t believe a merciful God would allow torment forever and ever”
I do not believe it because I do not see it in the scriptures, also, it goes AGAINST his righteous judgment to punish sins~he does so with destroying his enemies with fire when he destroys this PRESENT world with ferment heat. So, WHERE IS THE LAKE OF FIRE? It will be when this present world is destroyed and will pass AWAY (PERISH) with fire on that day of God's wrath. Not too complicated if we follow the scriptures. If we follow man, then it gets very complicated and strange with no answers.
Quote from: fish153 Reply #180 on: Yesterday at 22:56:24
Funny how some believe HALF of what the Bible teaches because they find the other HALF so hard to understand. They allow their own understanding to take over and rule them instead of simply believing the truth.
I agree with that statement, so, WHO is guilty of that? That's why we are here to find out. 

Fish153~you know one reason above many that could be provided as to why I love the scriptures and the truths therein? Because when one finds the truth, then it is very simple to prove it and it does not take volumes of books to do so! I'm always amazed by just how small our bible is with ALL TRUTHS that are contained therein for man's to know everything that is needed to answer every question that may come up. May God be praise!
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Mon Apr 19, 2021 - 13:59:05
Mr. NyawehNyoh~I've made several posts on this thread 99% directed to you with no response. I would at least like for you to enter into a dialogue with me concerning this subject. Your spirit that I've seen is much appreciated and seems to be a godly one, so, let's reason together over this subject for the benefit of others. Red Baker a lover of the truth, godly men, and women.   
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Mon Apr 19, 2021 - 14:31:14
I would like it very much if my friends, associates, and loved ones down in Hades were allowed visitor days
The dead know not anything~that is those who die in their sins:
Quote from: A WISE MAN
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6~"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun"
Quote from: THE WISE MAN'S FATHER
Psalms 115:17~"The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence."
Those who died lost are in silence and will be until the resurrection at the last day.

An example is useful: Very briefly~ the dead who die in their sins are in the grave WAITING for their judgment appearance before THE JUDGE. They are NOT now being judged but WILL BE. Much like those who are arrested and put in jail waiting to go before the judge, so are the wicked who die in their sins~only they cannot be bailout, the grave/death is holding them until the resurrection~and then they will be resurrected to be brought before the Great White Throne Judgement, with the Books open, and THEN will be cast INTO the lake of fire (WHICH IS the second death!) where they SHALL PERISH along with the present earth per 2nd Peter 3, etc.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: fish153 on Mon Apr 19, 2021 - 20:35:06
Red——

“Of how much sorer punishment shall he be thought worthy, who has trampled under foot the Son of God and insulted the Spirit of Grace”

If one is simply destroyed/annihilated in a lake of fire then ALL would be on even ground. You don’t get life so you are destroyed.
But NO. This verse infers there is an even greater punishment to a Christ rejecter than to someone in the past.

Your theology is wrong Red. I don’t understand hell. I really and truly don’t. But I cannot say it doesn’t exist based on my logic and understanding. I must listen to the Word of God. “The smoke of their torment exists forever and Ever”. Don’t try to say it is only the smoke that exists forever and ever. THEIR torment exists forever and ever. And what of Satan Red? He is simply annihilated also? Thousands and thousands of years of murder and mayhem and the most atrocious acts we can think of and He is simply annihilated? The Bible doesn’t teach that at all. HE WILL LIVE IN TORMENT FOREVER AND EVER IN A LAKE OF FIRE. AND WHY SHOULD He live forever in torment, but those thrown in after are simply annihilated Red?

Annie Wilson, Brooklyn NY, Christ rejecter but good person, simply annihilated. Heinrich Himmler guilty of the deaths of millions of Jews, simply aniinhilated just like Annie Wilson? No, I don’t think so Red. Is God a God of mercy? Yes. But is God also a God of Justice and Judgment? Most certainly.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Tue Apr 20, 2021 - 04:53:29
Red——

“Of how much sorer punishment shall he be thought worthy, who has trampled under foot the Son of God and insulted the Spirit of Grace”

If one is simply destroyed/annihilated in a lake of fire then ALL would be on even ground. You don’t get life so you are destroyed.
But NO. This verse infers there is an even greater punishment to a Christ rejecter than to someone in the past.
Brother, there are problem texts with every other truth/doctrine in the scriptures whereby we must reconcile before we can be 100% of what we are holding to is indeed the truth revealed in the scriptures. Here are the scriptures you quoted to me to give your position some credibility as to why you do not believe sinners will perish, or be destroyed as God's word declares they will be
Quote from: THE HOLY GHOST
Hebrews 10:29-31~"Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
I quoted more in order for us to understand exactly what the writer intended for us to understand. and exactly WHOM he is speaking of.

Brother, it is NOT a destruction but a sore punishment of a person who was made holy by the Spirit of God as a vessel to be used by Him, yet their life would not allow God to use them being unholy~so he had to judge them being his people, and we know if one is without chastisement then that person is a bastard and not a child of God, for he only corrects his people whom he loves. Brother~ CONTEXT-CONTEXT-CONTEXT drives the interpretation for us~not some preacher's opinion or a church doctrine. 

The writer is speaking of correcting God's children not that some people will suffer different degrees of punishment throughout eternity~ALL will receive the same sentence~the SECOND DEATH!

Brother, I for a few years believe just as you do, and even defended it, only to realize the problem texts on the other side had much more proof than I did and had to do a separate study to see which side had the truth, so I'm standing on the other side in which I was first taught. I have done this which just about every main doctrine I now hold to.
Quote from: Paul
2nd Thessaloninia 2:6-8~"Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;"
What does "everlasting destruction" mean to your understanding?
Quote from: Paul
from the "presence" of the Lord
Again, HOW is this possible if they DO NOT PERISH/DESTROYED? For God is omnipresent, as you well know. 
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Tue Apr 20, 2021 - 07:56:36
Mr. NyawehNyoh~I've made several posts on this thread 99% directed to you with no response. I would at least like for you to enter into a dialogue with me concerning this subject. Your spirit that I've seen is much appreciated and seems to be a godly one, so, let's reason together over this subject for the benefit of others. Red Baker a lover of the truth, godly men, and women.
Sir, still waiting. I see that you did make a post yesterday.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Apr 20, 2021 - 20:35:45
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According to Matt 7:21-23, not everyone believing in Jesus will make it to safety.

I would not want to be one of them because they will surely be mocked cruelly without mercy by some of Hell's unruly crowd. I can just hear their taunts:

Hey Christian! How's about sharing the gospel with us ay? Tell us about the love of God and how that's working for ya. Awwwww-Haw-Haw-Haw-Hawwwwwwwww!!!

I'd rather end up in Hell as a Bernie Madoff than somebody believing in Jesus because ol' ponzi schemer Bernie is sure to be given far more respect down there than a bible-thumping Christian.


TALLY UPDATE: 960 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 58,472,640 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Wed Apr 21, 2021 - 05:20:00
According to Matt 7:21-23, not everyone believing in Jesus will make it to safety.
Mr. NyawehNyoh, ALL believers will inherit eternal life~not all who say they are will! A true biblical difference taught in the word of God.

True believers teach biblical truth regardless of how unpopular those doctrines are. It truly amazes me, how folks think that in order to be faithful you should preach a present burning hell , and endless torment of the wicked, or else you are a compromiser. A present burning hell doctrine was made famous by Catholicism in order to enrich their coffers by including their false doctrine of Purgatory~you have to have one before you can teach the other. The Particular Baptist of England exposed both of their lies over five hundred years ago. Google Samuel Richardson http://www.mercyuponall.org/pdfs-click-to-download/samuel-richardson-a-discourse-of-the-torments-of-hell/

The folks Jesus is speaking of in Matthew 7 fits men who's inward thoughts were that their wonderful works and their power to cast out devils, etc. was proof God was with them and convinced them that they were true children when their life was one that served sins~ most likely secretly from the eyes of men, but not God. God's children KNOW that their works are mixed with sins even in their very best acts of serving God~they KNOW they are unworthy of the least of God's mercy just as Jacob of old confessed.

Your post truly added not one thing to defend your understanding.

Sir, you may very well love God and are a true believer, but your doctrine of a present burning hell is against HIS TESTIMONY of the truth. You truly need to provide support from the scriptures to teach in a present burning hell and endless torment of the wicked when this one simple scripture said you have a problem to address:
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John 3:16~"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
The most familiar scripture in all of the word of God, yet almost NO ONE even considers the words PERISH that is in contrast with EVERLASTING!  What does the word PERISH mean to you. To me:
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To be destroyed; to come to nothing.
Prove me wrong if you think you can. And IF you can, then you have saved your brother from the err of his way per James 5:
Quote from: James the brother of Jude
James 5:19,20~"Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
You can save me from a spiritual practical death and cover all my sins that I would continue to add to if I continue in teaching a doctrine that is against the word of God. In ALL sincerity, we should be our brother's keeper from error as much as we can do~but it takes work and labor and a  chance that they just might hate you in doing what God commands us to do~but, then again, you just might win a friend for life~and if either is goldy you will.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: DaveW on Wed Apr 21, 2021 - 06:00:45
The most familiar scripture in all of the word of God, yet almost NO ONE even considers the words PERISH that is in contrast with EVERLASTING!  What does the word PERISH mean to you.
It means to be cut of from God - NOT to cease to exist.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Apr 21, 2021 - 10:46:20
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Your post truly added not one thing to defend your understanding.

Well; that's no surprise.

I flunked senior year in high school and had to make it up over Summer. I was a welder forty years; a trade not particularly admired for its IQ.

I've never been to a college or a seminary. My Bible learnin' has been mined from Sunday school classes, sermons, books, lectures, seminars, and radio Bible teachers.

I have never been published, recognized, validated, or accredited; so all in all, I have nothing with which to recommend myself as a reliable authority. Caveat Lector.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: fish153 on Wed Apr 21, 2021 - 14:09:56
Red---

What's crazy about your interpretation is that fear of HELL is truly what drives some people to God, not fear of annihilation.
Jude says some are saved because of showing mercy, and some are saved by being "pulled from the fire". Through fear they come to repentance.

I personally did not come to Christ through fear of hell. But some do. It is God's intention. How many criminals would be SOOTHED by your interpretation Red? They can murder, steal, rape, and do all manner of terrible things thinking "I'm just going to be annihilated in the end anyway". Many already believe when they die that is it-- you just die. Teaching annihilation is almost the same thing. They will awaken one day, face judgment and God's anger, but just be "destroyed".

Many criminals would welcome that doctrine. But the thought they might be punished ETERNALLY is a different matter altogether.

I ask you once more. Will Satan be tormented forever and ever, or just annihilated? If forever and ever, why can't those same words apply to ALL who are thrown in the Lake of Fire?

If you truly believe Satan will just be annihilated your doctrine is heretical. The Bible clearly says His torment will be ETERNAL. Not destruction or annihilation but eternal concious torment.

We may not UNDERSTAND it. But we cannot REJECT it based on our own logic. God is MERCIFUL, but He is also JUST. This is very important to remember.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Thu Apr 22, 2021 - 04:04:33
Well; that's no surprise.

I flunked senior year in high school and had to make it up over Summer. I was a welder forty years; a trade not particularly admired for its IQ.

I've never been to a college or a seminary. My Bible learnin' has been mined from Sunday school classes, sermons, books, lectures, seminars, and radio Bible teachers.

I have never been published, recognized, validated, or accredited; so all in all, I have nothing with which to recommend myself as a reliable authority. Caveat Lector.
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Caveat Lector~could be said toward every person we read behind or hear with our ears. But, pretty sure you have a way above average of IQ~and truly IQ has not very much to do with one having a very IQ spiritually speaking, as a matter of fact, the apostles of our Lord Jesus were in their vocation, ordinary men with average IQ yet could confound the wise men of this world in spiritual understanding which is a gift from God~given to men who are nothing.
Quote from: Paul
1st Corinthians 1:26-31~"For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord."
I can identify with all of those above and it does not bother me to say that nor stop me from earnestly contending for the truths of my God~nor should it stop you regardless of your earthly vocation. I rather listen to a low boy behind a mule with truth, than men whom the world considers wise and because of that, trust their words instead of hearing the stammering tongue of a Moses. 
Quote from: MOSES TO GOD
"I am not a man of words ... for I am of slow speech, and of a slow tongue", Moses states, and later he pleads "... I am of uncircumsized lips, and how shall Pharaoh hearken unto me".
Quote from: NyawehNyoh on: Yesterday at 10:46:20
I flunked senior year in high school and had to make it up over Summer
You have me beat~It took me two years to get out of "SandBox" and just went an extra year than you did.
Quote from: NyawehNyoh on: Yesterday at 10:46:20
I've never been to a college or a seminary
Ditto
Quote from: NyawehNyoh on: Yesterday at 10:46:20
My Bible learnin' has been mined from Sunday school classes, sermons, books, lectures, seminars, and radio Bible teachers.
Mine, for the most part, is prayer, reading, reading reading, searching, searching etc. and finding a few good men and women along the way that have shed some precious light on the scriptures.
Quote from: NyawehNyoh on: Yesterday at 10:46:20
I have never been published, recognized, validated, or accredited; so all in all, I have nothing with which to recommend myself as a reliable authority. Caveat Lector.
Then you and I have much in common. Pretty sure most other children of God would fall pretty close to us if the truth was known.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Thu Apr 22, 2021 - 05:04:08
Red---

What's crazy about your interpretation is that fear of HELL is truly what drives some people to God, not fear of annihilation.
Brother, that's not so.
Quote from: JESUS CHRIST
Luke 16:28-31~"For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
This parable in Luke 16 teaches us many great truths concerning LIFE NOW and ONCE death comes our eternal state is SEALED~prepartation for death is done WHILE WE ARE IN THE LAND OF THE LIVING, and in the scriptures contain ALL we need to prepare us for death.

Though this is so...... before one will even hear the scriptures they MUST be born of the Spirit and become SPIRITUAL MINDED, or, have a mind of a new man, not one of the flesh only~ so that he CAN hear, and prepare.
Quote from: Paul
Romans 8:5-9~"For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
These few scriptures makes it very clear that as long as one is IN THE FLESH, or not born of God, he CANNOT hear, or submit, or please God in any way possible. One MUST BE in the Spirit~or, have the Spirit of God IN THEM, (their new man) before they can please God. It is not that communicated.
Quote from: fish153 on: Yesterday at 14:09:56
What's crazy about your interpretation is that fear of HELL is truly what drives some people to God, not fear of annihilation.
Actually neither will, and before I came to Christ, I had NO FEAR, or at least biblically speaking, because of my love for sin was greater than any fear that I may thought I had!
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Jude says some are saved because of showing mercy, and some are saved by being "pulled from the fire". Through fear they come to repentance.
Impossible for an unregenerate person to TRULY fear God before he has a new heart. Romans 3:10-18.
Quote from: fish153 on: Yesterday at 14:09:56
Many criminals would welcome that doctrine. But the thought they might be punished ETERNALLY is a different matter altogether.
It would not matter to a sinner still living in their sin, and as a matter of fact, MOST of the world have never considered these truths, NEVER. They are too busy serving their own sinful lust and truly have no desire for you or any person to tell them of any biblical truth, it is ALL FOOLISHNESS to them. You know brother, my own family have very little knowledge of what I BELEIVE, since they REFUSE to even ask, or more than that, they want you to keep your opinions of the word of God to yourself, they do not want to hear it, and truly refuse to discuss very much, sad but true. A prophet is not without honor save in his OWN house and among his own friends!  And this is most likely true of most of us. ALL of God's children are prophets in one sense.
Quote from: fish153 on: Yesterday at 14:09:56
I ask you once more. Will Satan be tormented forever and ever, or just annihilated? If forever and ever, why can't those same words apply to ALL who are thrown in the Lake of Fire?
He will be totally destroyed, he was created by God and can just as easily be destroyed by him as well along with all who followed him leaving their first estate. Unless you can prove me wrong, I will continue to hold to this~until someone can use the scriptures and show me the error of my ways. I'm been wrong before and can be again~as long as I live in this body of sin and death.
Quote from: fish153 on: Yesterday at 14:09:56
but He is also JUST. This is very important to remember.
This is true, so, why would God require more at the hands of man for the payment of his sins than he required at the hand of our surety for the payment of our sins? The ONLY payment (though great!) was the DEATH of Christ, NOT endless torment! His death was SUFFICIENT to paid for our sin debt was it not? Read Hebrews 7-10! THIS POINT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESS.

Forgive me for rushing this post a little. A lot to do today. RB
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: fish153 on Thu Apr 22, 2021 - 10:14:49
Red---

Please read Revelation 20:10. When you read this verse you will see that the Beast and the false prophet have ALREADY been thrown ALIVE into the Lake of Fire 1000 years before Satan is, and they ARE STILL THERE. It says Satan is thrown into the Lake of Fire where the Beast and the False Prophet ARE. They ARE there after being thrown in ALIVE 1000 years before.

Now, pay close attention Red. "They will be tormented NIGHT AND DAY forever and ever". Why does the HOLY SPIRIT add the words NIGHT AND DAY FOREVER AND EVER? It is to alert us to the fact that this is CONTINUING TORMENT.

Interesting that there is no NIGHT in Heaven according to Revelation 21. Yet in the Lake of Fire those there are tormented NIGHT AND DAY FOREVER AND EVER. Is it possible that when the Universe is shaken, and all the elements burn, that it is compressed into the Lake of Fire? Meaning that the LAKE OF FIRE will still consist of TIME AND SPACE? No NIGHT in Heaven--- but NIGHT AND DAY exist in the Lake of Fire? And those there are tormented NIGHT AND DAY forever and ever? (They will experience time, while those in Heaven do not?). This thought about time existing in the Lake of Fire is pure conjecture. But the fact DAY AND NIGHT appear to exist there is food for thought.

 But Revelation 20:10 is in the Bible Red. And it CLEARLY states that those in the Lake of Fire will be tormented NIGHT AND DAY forever and ever. You cannot remove that verse and replace it with your logic.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: fish153 on Thu Apr 22, 2021 - 10:36:37
I have to disagree also Red that unbelievers cannot fear God. I believe the Holy Spirit can ENLIGHTEN them to their state. They will either run TOWARDS God as a result, OR RUN AWAY from God. The WORD is a TWO-EDGED SWORD.

Some are drawn to God as they are ENLIGHTENED by the Spirit to see His great love. Others are "pulled from the fire" after being ENLIGHTENED by the Spirit to SEE the JUSTICE OF GOD.

Can one be ENLIGHTENED and then run away, still unsaved? Hebrews 6:4-9 seems to infer this. But I believe the doctrine of Hell HAS caused some to run to God for mercy. I disagree with you. But God bless you brother!
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Apr 23, 2021 - 18:02:16
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Ps 115:17 . . The dead do not praise The Lord, nor do any who go down into silence

The author of that Psalm is currently unknown. It could've been David, but then again it could've been one of the Levitical priests. Anyway, that verse speaks of everyone's afterlife journey, but it only speaks of one half: their body's half.

Here's a portion of a country western song performed by Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, and Kris Kristofferson that tells it all.

I was a dam builder.
Across the river deep and wide.
Where steel and water did collide.
A place called Boulder on the wild Colorado,
I slipped and fell into the wet concrete below.
They buried me in that great tomb that knows no sound,
But I am still around;
I'll always be around.

Whether the Highwaymen were thinking of the afterlife with that song, I don't know; but it's handy to remind us that the interment of people's useless corpse isn't the end of their existence, i.e. they're still around: somewhere.


TALLY UPDATE: 963 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 58,655,367 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Sat Apr 24, 2021 - 05:53:33
I was a dam builder. Across the river deep and wide Where steel and water did collide. A place called Boulder on the wild Colorado, I slipped and fell into the wet concrete below. They buried me in that great tomb that knows no sound, But I am still around; I'll always be around.
Sounds like they may have believed in reincarnnation~ ::pondering::

The righteous have eternal life, they are still around with Christ, the wicked are NOT SO, they live NOT again until the thousand years are expired. Revelation 20:4-6
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Sat Apr 24, 2021 - 06:00:18
I have to disagree also Red that unbelievers cannot fear God. I believe the Holy Spirit can ENLIGHTEN them to their state. They will either run TOWARDS God as a result, OR RUN AWAY from God. The WORD is a TWO-EDGED SWORD.

Some are drawn to God as they are ENLIGHTENED by the Spirit to see His great love. Others are "pulled from the fire" after being ENLIGHTENED by the Spirit to SEE the JUSTICE OF GOD.

Can one be ENLIGHTENED and then run away, still unsaved? Hebrews 6:4-9 seems to infer this. But I believe the doctrine of Hell HAS caused some to run to God for mercy. I disagree with you. But God bless you brother!

I'm going to answer you later today or in the morning. RB
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Apr 28, 2021 - 19:32:02
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Gen 3:5 . . God knows well that when you eat of [the tree of the knowledge of good and evil] your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, who know good and evil.

Was the Serpent's prediction true? Yes; to a certain extent.

Gen 3:22 . .Then the Lord God said: See, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil.

Apparently human life was created minus a conscience; which is likely the reason why some expositors refer to the time before the forbidden fruit incident as the age of innocence.


FAQ: Did Adam know it was wrong to taste the forbidden fruit? And if so, how did he know it was wrong without a conscience?

A: Right and wrong were irrelevant in the beginning. Adam's early life was governed by Big Brother oversight.

Had Adam's creator instructed him to eat human flesh, then the responsibility for his diet would've fallen upon God. In other words; God's sovereignty served as Adam's conscience. As to whether cannibalism is morally right and/or morally wrong wouldn't have been for Adam to decide. (cf. Acts 10:9-15)


NOTE: A Big Brother society isn't necessarily a bad form of government just so long as its bosses are good people; but when unscrupulous monsters like North Korea's Kim Jong-Un have the reins, then Big Brother societies are a hell on earth.

Isa 48:17 . . I am the Lord your God, who teaches you what is good and leads you along the paths you should follow.


TALLY UPDATE: 968 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 58,959,912 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Thu Apr 29, 2021 - 05:29:57
Apparently human life was created minus a conscience; which is likely the reason why some expositors refer to the time before the forbidden fruit incident as the age of innocence.
My friend, you might want to rethink this again~to be created without a conscience is impossible.
Quote from: THE WISE MAN
Proverbs 20:27~The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.
Man is not an animal, and he is not like any animal. God Jehovah, Creator of heaven and earth, put something in man that makes him very different. God gave man a conscience, and this conscience is a law, teacher, and judge for each man, woman, and child.

Our conscience is the candle of the LORD. This light from God inside us examines and judges our thoughts, words, and deeds. Man "DOES" makes choices by more than instincts, for God gave every conscious person a conscience to help him know and do what is right.

The word conscience has two parts: con (with) + science (knowledge) = knowing within yourself about yourself. This I'm sure you know well. This invisible spirit inside us has a sense of right and wrong, and it will approve right things and condemn wrong things we do. It will also reflect on what others do and make judgments as to whether they are right or wrong.

Consider how you can have thoughts within yourself and yet analyze and judge that thought as well. A man can only know himself by his conscience; he cannot know another person by it (Ist Corinthians 2:11). Sometimes our spirit is full of joy, and sometimes it is full of sadness, and no other person can fully feel or know our emotions (Proverbs 14:10).

Our belly in this proverb is a metonymy for our heart and mind. It is a figure of speech that uses a part of the body to refer to what goes on there. When we are moved by love or fear, we can feel it in our belly. When it is love, we may say, “My stomach flipped.” When it is fear, we may say, “I am sick with fear.” According to the proverb, our conscience examines our entire inner person to help direct our choices in things.

Our conscience can convict us that what we or others have thought, said, or done is wrong (Romans 2:15). This internal sense of guilt can be very strong, and it can control or influence what we do or not do. The accusers of the woman taken in adultery left her alone when their consciences were confronted about the justice of their actions (John 8:9).

How did get our conscience? The LORD gave it to us, so it is called the candle of the LORD. It is a light from God to help us make decisions. It also proves our sinfulness, for us sad to say we have sinned against our conscience many times. Even if God has not condemned an action, it is sin for you, if your conscience condemns it (Romans 14:22-23; James 4:17).

All men have a conscience. Gentiles, reprobates, and the Pharisees had consciences, though hard to believe in our day of hatred of good men and sin abounding. (Romans 2:15; 1:32; John 8:9).

We will add this~it was Eve's CONSCIENCE that was beguiled by the serpent through his subtility. 
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Apr 29, 2021 - 11:33:37
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Gen 3:6-7 . . She took of its fruit and ate. She also gave some to her husband, and he ate. Then the eyes of both of them were opened and they perceived that they were naked; and they sewed together fig leaves and made themselves loincloths.

Gen 3:11 . . He asked: Who told you that you were naked?

In other words: who said nudity is indecent? Where'd you get that idea?

Well; nobody had said nudity is indecent, nor even suggested that it's indecent-- the concept of a dress code was unheard of at that time. No; Adam just "felt" indecent. In other words; all of a sudden Adam's intuition was telling him that his appearance was unacceptable.


FAQ: If not from God, then whence did the first couple obtain an intuitive sense of propriety?

A: In the past, I was sure that the chemistry of the forbidden fruit had something to do with the first couple's moral perception; but now I seriously doubt it because the woman was the first to eat the fruit, and when she did, nothing happened.

She remained just as shameless in the buff as before. It wasn't till Adam tasted the fruit that the woman began to feel exposed; so I'm pretty sure that the underlying cause is far more serious than the chemistry of that fruit.

Ruling out the fruit, and ruling out God , then we're left with but one alternative: the Serpent, a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2)

He has the power of death (Heb 2:14) and ability to tamper with the human mind and body in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.

The Serpent was apparently all set and ready to wield his power the moment that Adam crossed the line and ate that fruit. It amazes me how quickly it takes effect. Not long after Adam tasted the fruit, he and his wife both immediately set to work cobbling together some rudimentary aprons to cover up their pelvic areas.


FAQ: Why wasn't the woman effected by the Serpent's power when she tasted the forbidden fruit?

A: It was apparently God's decision that if sin and death were to come into the world, they would come via a lone male's actions just as life and righteousness would later be offered to the world via a lone male's actions. (Rom 5:12-21)

TALLY UPDATE: 969 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 59,020,821 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Fri Apr 30, 2021 - 12:54:36
Job 38:2 springs to mind.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun May 02, 2021 - 21:52:01
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FAQ: Was Adam's disobedience a Hell-worthy transgression?

A: No.

According to Gen 2:17 it was a death-worthy transgression rather than Hell-worthy. In other words; the proper penalty for Adam's mistake was simply his loss of immortality. (cf. Gen 3:19 and Gen 3:22)


NOTE: In order for death to resonate in Adam's understanding, it had to be death as he understood it in his day rather than the way that modern Bible thumpers construe it in their day. In other words: to Adam's way of thinking; death was physical rather than spiritual, i.e. normal and natural.

TALLY UPDATE: 972 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 59,203,548 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: 4WD on Mon May 03, 2021 - 04:09:40
The penalty for sin is not physical death; rather the penalty for sin is spiritual death.  Adam's physical death was a natural part of God's creation of the physical universe.  In the Garden he had access to the tree of life which would have fended off his physical death had God let him stay in the Garden (Gen 3:22).
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Mon May 03, 2021 - 04:31:28
The penalty for sin is not physical death; rather the penalty for sin is spiritual death.  Adam's physical death was a natural part of God's creation of the physical universe.  In the Garden he had access to the tree of life which would have fended off his physical death had God let him stay in the Garden (Gen 3:22).
It's both.The second death which God in his foreknowledge knew would be the result of those dying in their sins be it part of, or, no part of the natural part of God's creation.

Adam did die the very day he disobeyed~he experienced spiritual death~he lost that glorious image of being created in God's image with wisdom, knowledge, and understanding~Adam took on the image of the devil himself.............. of darkness, without understanding, and true holiness. One must be born again and recreated in the image of Jesus Christ before he can even see and understand these truths. The natural man like his father the devil, does not think he's that bad, but it is much worse than we have even begun to mention in this short post.

Brother, trust your health is improving since we last talked. RB
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: 4WD on Mon May 03, 2021 - 05:23:15
It's both.The second death which God in his foreknowledge knew would be the result of those dying in their sins be it part of, or, no part of the natural part of God's creation.
No it is not both.  Had God let Adam and Eve remain in the Garden, they could have lived forever.  That is what God says in Genesis 3:22.

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Adam did die the very day he disobeyed~he experienced spiritual death~he lost that glorious image of being created in God's image with wisdom, knowledge, and understanding~Adam took on the image of the devil himself.............. of darkness, without understanding, and true holiness.
Scripture never says that Adam lost being created in God's image.  Spiritual death, the death due to sin, is spiritual separation from God.  There is not even the suggestion that Adam lost any of his ability for wisdom, knowledge and understanding.  In fact quite the opposite. We read that in having disobeyed God and having eaten from the forbidden fruit, "the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil" (Gen 3:22). He did lose his true holiness and it is that which is renewed in salvation.  That is the distinction between the sinner and the saint.

Quote from: RB
One must be born again and recreated in the image of Jesus Christ before he can even see and understand these truths.
Being spiritually dead has no effect upon the physical or mental capacity or ability. That ought to be obvious to all just by observation of the world around us. If what you say is true, then it should be readily apparent who has been born again and who has not.  That is simply not the case.  Too often too many think they can determine the believer from the nonbeliever, but they are wrong.  Those they think are nonbelievers are, more often than not, due to doctrinal disagreements not unbelief or disbelief.

Quote from: RB
Brother, trust your health is improving since we last talked. RB
Thank you.  All is well.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu May 06, 2021 - 19:42:22
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Eph 2:2-3 . . As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath.

It's believed by a pretty large percentage of modern Christians that the so-called fallen nature spoken of in that Ephesians passage is inherited from one's biological father. Oh? From whence did Eve get it?

She was constructed with material taken from Adam's body prior to the forbidden fruit incident. Since himself tasted the fruit after Eve was born; then it was impossible for Adam to pass the so-called fallen nature to her by means of procreation.

The ruler of the kingdom of the air-- i.e. the spirit world --has the power of death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the human body and the human mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.

I really have to hand it to the Serpent; he's very good at shifting blame away from himself. For quite a few years now it's been traditional to believe biological fathers propagate the fallen nature; when it's been the Serpent's handiwork all along.

How he has managed to deceive so many people for so long a time I don't know, but what's really ironic about it is that there are people behind pulpits, and chairing whole Sunday school departments, working with him as a sort of propaganda machine of unsuspecting accomplices.


FAQ: When does the Serpent go to work on people. . . in the womb or out of the womb?

A: Adam and his wife demonstrate that that the ruler of the spirit world can do his dirty work on adults, but I'm guessing that for most of us, the tampering of our minds and bodies takes place in the womb. (Ps 51:5 & 58:3)

When Jesus told his opponents that they were the Devil's offspring (John 8:44) he wasn't just speaking in simile and/or metaphor; Jesus was speaking very close to the fact of the matter.

" For you are the children of your father the Devil, and you love to do the evil things he does."

There are Christians parroting that passage on and on, apparently oblivious to the truth of Eph 2:2-3 that John 8:44 applies to the core of their own natural being just the same as everybody else.


TALLY UPDATE: 976 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 59,447,184 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun May 09, 2021 - 11:20:34
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Judg 17:1-6 . . A man named Micah lived in the hill country of Ephraim. One day he said to his mother: I heard you curse the thief who stole eleven hundred pieces of silver from you. Well, here they are. I was the one who took them. The Lord bless you for admitting it; his mother replied.

. . . He returned the money to her, and she said: I now dedicate these silver coins to The Lord. In honor of my son, I will have an image carved and an idol cast. So his mother took two hundred of the silver coins to a silversmith, who made them into an image and an idol. And these were placed in Micah's house.

Micah's mother (call her Ophelia) broke the very first commandment of the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God on oath per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy by making statuettes to represent God. (Ex 20:2-4

The interesting thing about Ophelia's religious confusion is that Jehovah was her God; but in the wrong way; viz: her religion was a mixture of truth and error. The sad part is; Ophelia's mixed up religious beliefs didn't lead only just herself into disfavor with The Lord, no, it led her offspring into disfavor too.

Christians sometimes extol the mothers of the saints. Well let me tell you something about mothers. They may mean well; but just because they are mothers doesn't make them right. Ophelia is a timeless case in point. Mothers are the best Judas Goats one can imagine. They can lead their children to disaster with far more effectiveness than the demon world because mothers have the advantage of trust. Kids are naturally inclined to rely upon their parents, so they are easy victims of misinformation when the source of that misinformation is moms and dads-- most especially moms.

You know what can be even worse than going to Hell? Your own children following you there: and they trusted you. Can you just imagine the mental and emotional anguish that mothers feel in the netherworld knowing they brought up their children to follow an ideology whose pot at the end of the rainbow is filled with brimstone instead of gold.


NOTE: Hell never sleeps, nor breaks for holidays, nor takes a vacation; it's open for business 24-7-365.

Souls continuously cascade into the abyss in an endless procession like the unbelievable millions of poultry broilers passing annually through Tyson chicken processing plants on their way to Wendy's, McDonalds, Carl's Junior, Jack in the Box, Burger King, Chic-fil-A, KFC, A&W, Arby's, Dairy Queen, Taco Bell, et al; and to supermarkets and restaurants all over the USA and wherever else Tyson vends its meats. The slaughtering and the butchering never stop.

According to the numbers posted in the OP, by the time Mothers Day ends at midnight tonight, approximately 60,909 people will transfer from the upper world to the netherworld. A percentage of them will be moms.


TALLY UPDATE: 979 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 59,629,911 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu May 13, 2021 - 16:52:26
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2Ki 8:26 . .Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.

At that time, the land was divided into two kingdoms-- Israel (a.k.a. Samaria) in the north, and Judah in the south. (1Ki 11:26-40)

Apparently, marriages between the two royal families was supposed to foster peaceful relations between them. An unfortunate side effect was some pretty bad kings. Ahaziah was a bad king who walked not after David's ways, but after his northern kin's ways-- the house of Ahab.

2Chro 22:3-4 . . He also walked in the ways of the house of Ahab: for his mother was his counselor to do wickedly. Wherefore he did evil in the sight of The Lord like the house of Ahab: for they were his counselors after the death of his father-- to his destruction.

That's a perfect example how a man's in-laws can be his own worst enemies; and his mother too

Anyway, God saw to it that Ahaziah lost control over the south (2Chrn 22:7) which prompted his mother to do a terrible thing.

2Chro 22:10-23:1 . . But when Athaliah the mother of Ahaziah saw that her son was dead, she arose and destroyed all the seed royal of the house of Judah. But Jehoshabeath, the daughter of the king, took Joash the son of Ahaziah, and stole him from among the king's sons that were slain, and put him and his nurse in a bedchamber. So Jehoshabeath, the daughter of king Jehoram, the wife of Jehoiada the priest, (for she was the sister of Ahaziah,) hid him from Athaliah, so that she slew him not. And he was with them hid in the house of God six years: and Athaliah reigned over the land.

Joash was just an infant; and if not for his auntie Jehoshabeath's rapid response, that heartless monster Athaliah would've completely wiped out every last one of her own grandsons so she could grab the throne.


NOTE: It's not all that unusual for despots to murder their own kin so as to eliminate any and all possible challenges to their control. For example; North Korea's Kim Jong-Un ordered his uncle Jang Song-Thaek assassinated for that very reason.

TALLY UPDATE: 983 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 59,873,547 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon May 24, 2021 - 11:44:27
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Matt 10:39 . .Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

The biggest road block to radical feminists becoming effective Christian disciples is Jesus' gender. You see, at the heart of feminism, is the drive to be independent of males. Yet the very Lord and Master of Christianity, the supreme male in the universe; demands death to a woman's self interests, and submission to his domineering control. Good luck on that one ladies.

Luke 14:26 . . If you want to be my follower you must love me more than your own father and mother, wife and children brothers and sisters-- yes, more than your own life. And you cannot be my disciple if you do take up your own cross and follow me.

In Jesus' day, crosses were for executions. So when Jesus told his disciples to "take up their own cross" it meant stifling their own way; viz: it was a call to abandon self interests, and follow The Master's leading.

Rom 12:1-2 . .Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God-- this is your spiritual act of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is-- his good, pleasing and perfect will.

The bitter irony of it all is that God has delegated the task of humanity's final judgment to His son; viz: in the end, it will be a male who casts condemned radical feminist women into Hell and permanently ruins any chances they might have had for happiness in the future. For all eternity, condemned radical feminist women will grind their teeth with hot tears and white-knuckled fury that they ultimately lost out on everything because of one lone male's obsessive control over their lives. Isn't that what radical feminism is really all about anyway: male supremacy?


NOTE: For the benefit of those unaware: Radical feminism is somewhat different than standard feminism. The standard kind is basically concerned with equality, whereas the radical kind is basically chafed by male supremacy. The standard kind is typically peaceable with men, whereas the radical kind is driven by misandry, i.e. hatred for men.

TALLY UPDATE: 994 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 60,543,546 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu May 27, 2021 - 12:48:40
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2Tim 3:1-3 . . This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For people shall be . . .without natural affection

The Greek word translated "without natural affection" is astorgos (as'-tor-gos) which means: hard-hearted towards kindred; viz: lacking in sympathetic understanding i.e. unfeeling, pitiless, thoughtless, insensitive, cruel, and inhumane.

There are actually kids growing up in homes right here in the USA where their parents never give them even one atta-boy. As a result, they grow up feeling ugly, unwanted, stupid, useless, marginal, expendable, and unnecessary.

There are also kids growing up in homes where mothers never hug them nor bother to take the time to forge a bond between mother and child. Thus they grow up with reactive attachment disorder; feeling convinced that no one could possibly ever love them or be their best friend forever. RAD kids grow up to become adults with some serious trust issues.

Maybe you don't burn your kids with cigarettes, pour Tabasco sauce in their eyes, or lock them in a hall closet without food and water for two days; but do you ignore their opinions, demean them with denigrating labels, ridicule them, threaten their lives, work them as slaves without compensation, deny them things just so you won't appear to indulge them, and/or say "no" to their requests for no good reason than that you don't want to seem weak and under their control?

Do you routinely abuse their human rights, and/or relegate them to the level of livestock rather than bona fide human beings with feelings and a mind of their own? Do you nurture within them a feeling of importance, of belonging in your home, or do you make them feel like an invasive species and/or an uninvited guest? Kids pick up on things like that.


TALLY UPDATE: 997 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 60,729,273 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun May 30, 2021 - 21:46:36
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Rev 16:8-9 . .The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was given power to scorch people with fire. They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify Him.

Rev 16:10-11 . .The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and his kingdom was plunged into darkness. Men gnawed their tongues in agony and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.

You know what's missing in those two scenarios? The element of fright is missing. The recipients of those acts of God actually get angry and resentful instead of scared.

Back in the sixth chapter, people panic and actually pray to be buried alive rather than face the wrath of God. But apparently by the time of the sixteenth chapter, they're over it. Well; no surprise there.

The first time I heard of Jesus' return I got nervous because, at the time, I had a lot to answer for. But the nervousness soon passed, and I became indignant because I don't like being made afraid; so I can sort of understand the people's change of mood between the sixth chapter and the sixteenth.


NOTE: The people in the sixteenth chapter are accused of refusing to repent and glorify God. What might that mean? Well; I suggest it means that the sensible thing to do in a situation like theirs is to fully agree we deserve it; like this:

"And I heard a voice from the altar saying: Yes, Lord God Almighty, your punishments are true and just." (Rev 16:7)


TALLY UPDATE: 1,000 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 60,909,000 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Mon May 31, 2021 - 04:36:37
You said a statement that kinda bothers me~care to explain yourself?

work them as slaves without compensation
I was brought up during the late forties, fifties, and sixties where it was expected children to work and help out as much as we could. I started out carrying papers and gave my mother the money to help her since my father died when I was 6 and left her with nine children and I was in the middle of the nine ( one died, there were actually 10 ). I'll wait to hear what you have to say.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon May 31, 2021 - 20:18:46
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care to explain yourself?

No.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Tue Jun 01, 2021 - 03:39:19
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No.
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As you said:
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Nobody's Wrong All The Time
Maybe you can enlighten me, or have you been duped by modern-day thinking?
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Jun 02, 2021 - 13:44:53
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Rev 20:13 . . I saw the dead, and they were judged, every one of them

That verse says that "every one" of them were judged. Well; I don't know precisely how many every one will eventually entail, but let's say that it's the number of new arrivals in the update.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,003 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 61,091,727 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.

If each of those 61,091,727 judgments were to take an hour to complete, we'd be looking at 2,545,488 calendar days, i.e. 6,969 solar years; that's if the judging goes around the clock 24/7/365.

Just think of that. In only 1,003 days, enough cases have accumulated on our hypothetical docket to keep the great white throne busy a minimum of 69 and ⅝ centuries.

I once commented to a Christian friend about how long it will take for God to judge everybody. My friend responded: Well; he has plenty of time.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Jun 05, 2021 - 21:22:43
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Rev 20:13 . . I saw the dead, and they were judged, every one of them

There's a few points related to that scene worth special mention.

1» According to Jude 1:14-15 the dead will be given a fair trial.

2» According to Matt 12:36, every word that the dead have spoken will used as evidence both against them and/or for them; not just their serious words, but also their careless words.

3» The scene doesn't depict one future out of a variety of possible futures; no, it depicts the actual future.

A Danger Foreseen
Is Half Avoided.

-- Cheyenne Proverb --

TALLY UPDATE: 1,006 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 61,274,454 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Jun 08, 2021 - 18:47:27
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1Kings 22:18-23 . . I saw Jehovah sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by Him on His right and on His left. And Jehovah said: Who will entice Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one said this while another said that.

. . .Then a spirit came forward and stood before Jehovah and said: I will entice him.

. . . And Jehovah said to him: How?

. . . And he said; I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.

. . .Then He said: You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so.

. . . Now therefore, behold, Jehovah has put a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; and Jehovah has proclaimed disaster against you.

That is a very strange alliance. God actually recruited someone from the demon world to do some dirty work for Him: a black op, so to speak. That suggests to me that the demon world is neither totally useless nor totally in Satan's control; some are actually assets, which can be defined as something useful in an effort to foil or defeat an enemy: such as a piece of military equipment, a spy, or an assassin.

It's likely that God still manages some of His affairs like that even today when He wants certain individuals destroyed without getting His hands dirty. For example from post No.1 it's seen that some folks are on a road to Hell while others are on a road to something better, i.e. the few and the many. I really have to wonder if maybe some of those many on the road to Hell weren't talked into going that way by spirits recruited by God to do it for Him. Now that's scary. Can you just imagine the horror of being targeted like that and not aware of it! (cf. 2Thess 2:8-12)


TALLY UPDATE: 1,009 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 61,457,181 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Jun 11, 2021 - 20:21:40
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Canadian folk singer Gordon Lightfoot released a sentimental song back in 1975 that speaks volumes about sympathy. Its lyrics are very touching. Here's a few that I feel especially appropriate when talking about things like sickness, death, and the hereafter.

Rainy day people always seem to know when it's time to call.
Rainy day people don't talk, they just listen till they've heard it all.
Rainy day lovers don't lie when they tell 'ya they've been down like you.
Rainy day people don't mind if you're cryin' a tear or two.

I sometimes wonder how much sympathy one can expect in the fiery netherworld. I mean; sure they'll understand how we might feel about the unfortunate circumstances in life that led us down there, but once you're there, everyone's pretty much in the same boat and they're all longing for sympathy too.

In point of fact, I'd not be surprised if the competition for sympathy down there is on the level of dog eat dog; and likely a fair number of sympathy hoarders demanding total market share of it. I can just hear their feigned indignity; like this:

"Oh, stop whining already! Don't be such a baby. I deserve more sympathy than you. I've been down here for two millennia and you've only been down here for a decade. What've you got to cry about? You should be grateful that your time down here will end up shorter than mine."

I'd imagine that after a few years in that place the only sympathy that people can feel after a while is sympathy for themselves.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,012 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 61,639,908 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Jun 15, 2021 - 20:29:13
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1Cor 1:26 . . Remember, dear brothers and sisters, that few of you were wise in the world's eyes

That verse is useful for illustrating that "few" doesn't always pertain to a handful, rather, it's simply a contrast between the majority and the minority, least vs most, large vs small, maximum vs minimum, ounces vs pounds, dimes vs dollars, feet vs yards, etc.

Some of the Bible's uses of the word "wise" don't always apply to folks born with a high IQ. Wisdom can also pertain to education; which doesn't make someone eo ipso smart, it just makes them informed; and if informed enough, they can even qualify as an expert witness in legal matters.

Anyway; education and/or a high IQ have their uses; but are insufficient when it comes to spiritual matters. In point of fact, those kinds of wisdom can actually be an impediment. Take for example Carl Sagan. Had his knowledge and his IQ been a spiritual advantage, then Carl would've stood on the side of intelligent design instead of opposing it.

It's tragic that Carl went to his grave with his curiosity and so many scientific questions about the cosmos unanswered, and to top it off, a day is coming when even Carl's pale blue dot will no longer be available for study.

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away." (Rev 21:1)

Can you imagine how delighted Carl would've been to explore Heaven's libraries where everything to know that can be known about the cosmos is stored? But alas, Carl will never find out because he was at best an agnostic, at worst an atheist.

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1Cor 1:26 isn't sayng that no smart people become Christians; only that on the whole; the smart folk constitute a smaller percentage in comparison to the not so smart folk.

TALLY UPDATE
: 1,016 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 61,883,544 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: DaveW on Wed Jun 16, 2021 - 05:25:00
1Cor 1:26 isn't sayng that no smart people become Christians; only that on the whole; the smart folk constitute a smaller percentage in comparison to the not so smart folk.
Perhaps.  I have known a few EXTREMELY intelligent people who are (or will be depending on your belief about "soul sleep") in Heaven now.  Not least of which is Derek Prince who was the first DOUBLE KING SCHOLAR to graduate from Kings College Eaton (UK) in over 500 years.  He taught post-grad classes on the Greek Philosophers at Cambridge before becoming a believer during WW2.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Jun 18, 2021 - 18:26:24
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As if hell isn't bad enough, people are in it as their selves; viz: they are never going to be free from their own personalities-- their phobias, their hang-ups, their inner conflicts, their memories, their anger, their hostility, their rivalries, their prejudice, their bias, their angst, their gender issues, their resentments, their regrets, their disappointments, their bitterness, their animosity, their passions, and their appetites.

Hell is even more of a hell than you might think because, having missed out on the regeneration about which Christ spoke at John 3:3-8, people take who they are right along with them down there.

Thus; suicide is not a good way to relieve depression. Depressed people and/or despondent people, take that low state of mind right along with them to the other side; and their sorrow will be even more intensified in fire when they realize that as bad as things were up here on the surface, their situation up here wasn't nearly as bad as their situation down below.

You can escape poor health via death, you can escape credit card debt, you can escape an abusive spouse, you can escape taxes, you can escape a physical handicap, you can escape pimples, you can escape a bully, you can escape despots and tyrants, you can escape a life of neither promise nor future, you can escape prison, you can escape grinding poverty, and you can escape the Mafioso; but nobody can escape themselves.

You've made this day a special day, by just your being you.
There's no person in the whole world like you;
And I like you just the way you are.

Fred Rogers, a.k.a. Mister Rogers

Well; I appreciate Fred's work with children; but the fact of the matter is: there are grown-ups out there who do not feel special nor do they particularly like the way they are; and that's never going to change should they end up in the wrong place when they leave this life.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,019 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 62,066,271 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Jun 20, 2021 - 09:48:48
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2Cor 5:11 . . Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;

The Greek word translated "knowing" means to know firsthand, viz: by experience rather than by education and/or instruction.

In other words; there were incidents at various times in the lives of Paul and his contemporaries when God frightened them, i.e. scared 'em out of their wits.

I have been challenged on occasion as to how I know for sure that my religion is true. Well; there's nothing like a good old fashioned close encounter of a third kind to convince even the most resistant skeptics; and Paul's history attests that his was a really stubborn case.

Of course if any of us were to claim to "know" the terror of the Lord, we'd be singled out as kooks and crackpots; but for some of us, fear is the only persuasion that works.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,021 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 62,188,089 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Jun 24, 2021 - 12:55:41
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1Cor 3:22-23 . . Everything belongs to you-- Paul and Apollos and Peter --the whole world and life and death; the present and the future. Everything belongs to you, and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.

People incarcerated in the fiery section of Hades may or may not be fully aware of all they've lost. Many are doubtless aware of at least their loss of immortality; but I'm not so sure they know about the extent of their loss because not even that many Christians are aware of all they've gained by their position in Christ.

1Cor 3:22-23 refers to Rom 8:17 where believers are depicted by a Greek word that pertains to heirs in common, i.e. joint-heirs. Regular heirs each receive an individually specified portion of a benefactor's estate whereas heirs in common each take possession of the whole shebang, i.e. whatever the Father bequeathed His son, He bequeathed everyone in His son.

For example: supposing a benefactor's estate totals 60 acres of land plus $10,000 in a bank account, and he left it all to six heirs in common. In that situation; the heirs are corporately one beneficiary instead of six; viz: all six inherit the 60 acres and the $10k as if each one were the only heir.

The extent of Jesus' inheritance is astonishing. It encompasses not only all that is in Heaven, but also whatever pertains to the new cosmos spoken of in Isa 66:17, 2Pet 3:13, and Rev 21:1; and I don't know what else.

  John 3:35 . .The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.

John 16:15 . . All things that the Father has are mine

Heb 2:5 . . It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come

Fortunately Jesus has been appointed the estate's chief executive officer because I don't think anybody else among men could ever be competent enough to manage something so complex and so vast.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,025 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 62,431,725 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Jun 27, 2021 - 20:20:21
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Christ is often thought of as a pacifist. But the fact of the matter is, Christ and the Old Testament's fearsome God are in total agreement.

John 10:30 . . I and my Father are unified.

In other words; Christ would never disapprove of the Flood, nor of the incineration of Sodom and Gomorrah. In point of fact, via the person of the Word of God depicted in the opening verses of John's gospel; the gentle Jesus was on hand for those events, and only too happy to lend a hand.

John 8:29 . . He that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please Him.

It sometimes puzzles me why Christ's enemies weren't more afraid of him because when you think about it: if he could cure blindness, then he could just as easily cause it, and if he could cure paralysis, then he could just as easily cause that too; and if he could cure the deaf and the dumb, then he could just as easily take away people's ability to speak and hear; and if he could cure leprosy, then he could just as easily infect people with it.

And if he could multiply a little to feed thousands, then he could just as easily thwart abundance to cause the starvation of millions; and if he could calm a storm, then he could just as easily generate a hurricane; and if he could replace a severed ear, then he could just as easily remove an ear; and if he could turn water into wine, then he could just as easily turn water into acid; and if he could exorcise demons, then he could just as easily muster demons for wide-spread possession.

The first time Christ came, he came as a victim; the next time he will come as a conqueror. One day out ahead, the sweet little babe away in manger is taking the reins of this planet, and his administration will be neither soft hearted nor soft headed.

Ps 2:9-12 . .You will rule them with an iron scepter; you will dash them to pieces like pottery. Therefore, you kings, be wise; be warned, you rulers of the earth. Serve The Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,028 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 62,614,452 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Jun 30, 2021 - 12:11:45
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I once heard an interviewed US Navy SEAL explain how that if SEALs were to play hop scotch, it would turn violent because they don't like to lose.

There's a humorous incident depicted in Dante's Inferno where these two guys, who were bitter rivals in life, are quarreling over who deserves to be in Hell more than the other.

Well; I think it goes without saying that people competitive to the bone are not the kind of folk with whom God prefers to associate.

Matt 5:9 . . Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,031 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 62,797,179 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Wed Jun 30, 2021 - 13:47:03
1,031 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 62,797,179 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018
Sir, all 1,031 means is that's how long you have been in error on the doctrine of the afterlife concerning the wicked. There is no such place as a burning hell where the wicked are now suffering ~you have been greatly deceived into believing this fable started by the EOC/RCC church. The righteous at death do go and be with Christ~not so with the wicked they do not continue to live but are in silence and unconsciousness waiting for the final resurrection where they shall be raised and THEN BE JUDGE for their sins and from there cast into the lake of fire WHICH IS THE SECOND death for them!

Maybe some 62,797,179 have indeed CK into hell (grave) in their sins, but not into hell fire, or the lake of fire! Do you truly know how much sense your doctrine makes, or even sounds to a mind that should be able to reason unless someone has blinded their ability to do so? To think someone is in hellfire now suffering ONLY to bring them out to be judge and then cast them back into the lake of fire~is beyond me how any rational person can allow themselves to be so deceived into believing this doctrine! Your writings tells me that you should be able to reason much better than that, but it seems you just cannot get hold of this truth.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: fish153 on Wed Jun 30, 2021 - 18:54:36
Red--
There are angels chained in the abyss right now who will be unchained, tried, and then tossed into the Lake of fire. Your argument is a bad one. And what do you do with 1 Peter 3:18,19? Jesus preached to "the spirits in prison"?

They are conscious or Jesus wouldn't have preached to them. There is an area where damned souls are being held until Judgment. At Judgment they will be shown WHY they are in torment. Once they have NO ARGUMENT and it is proved to them they DESERVE their fate, they will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.
To teach there is no eternal hell is HERESY, plain and simple. The Bible clearly teaches it. Jesus clearly taught it too. Don't you think there is a REASON Jehovah's Witnesses teach there is no hell, contrary to Christian doctrine? Because they have been DECEIVED. Annihilation is a doctrine of demons, contrary to what God says in the Bible. I am very surprised you accept that doctrine.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Jun 30, 2021 - 21:42:05
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Do you truly know how much sense your doctrine makes, or even sounds to a mind that should be able to reason unless someone has blinded their ability to do so?

Well, I make no claim to brilliance; that's for sure. I flunked senior year in high school, never went to college, and spent the forty years of my working life as an industrial welder in shops and shipyards: a blue collar trade neither admired nor respected for its IQ, so you've got me there.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Thu Jul 01, 2021 - 03:47:32
Red--
There are angels chained in the abyss right now who will be unchained, tried, and then tossed into the Lake of fire. Your argument is a bad one. And what do you do with 1 Peter 3:18,19? Jesus preached to "the spirits in prison"?
Fish, I would never make a statement or ask that I had not first know the answer~no lawyer worth his salt would ever ask a question that he did not know the answer.
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1st Peter 3:18-20~ "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
I quoted more scriptures for CONTEXT is so important! Noah preached unto the SAME SPIRITS! And so has many children of God since the world began.

There are many who theorize that these passages speak of a type of purgatory, the spiritual under-world or intermediate place of the imprisoned lost. However, these theories are contrary to all that the holy scriptures declares about sin, judgment, and life after death for the wicked. The Bible is perfectly clear that whatever spiritual condition a person dies in (whether saved or unsaved), that is the condition in which he will stand before God and be judged. There is no possibility for a second chance at redemption after death. So all of the many variations of this doctrine are decidedly unbiblical.

Once a person leaves this earth in death, his chance for redemption is over. There is no remembrance of him in the grave, and on the last day (John 12:48) when he is raised up to be paid according to what he has done while he was in this world. There is no Spirit of Christ preaching to any unsaved person after physical death, for death is appointed to every single one of us, and after that the judgment (Hebrews 9:27) of God. By the same token, when we receive salvation in this world through the work of Christ, we are no longer under judgment to be condemned for sin and are judged as perfect before God. There is nothing in the Holy Scriptures that would even imply that there is a second chance at salvation after death. This divine truth is also made abundantly clear in the parable of Lazarus. Christ explains this parable saying there is a great gulf fixed (Luke 16:26) where it is impossible for the redeemed to pass from one side to the side of the unsaved who died, or those who died unsaved to pass over to the side of the redeemed. Thus if anyone dies unsaved, that is the condition that they will remain in. It is impossible to preach to those who have died in the flesh~ when they were alive in the flesh they were DEAD in trespasses and sin and that did not serve them in the least to help to know the truth.

How did Jesus preach to the spirits in prison? These can be difficult passages, but we can begin to understand what it actually means if we follow carefully what it actually says with no preconceived ideas about the interpretation and "in the light of the rest of the Bible." Because the Bible was not written in a vacuum, nor was it subject to any personal opinions or private interpretation of the saints of old. Thus it is not subject to our private interpretation or personal opinions today. Our interpretation and opinion should be subject to it, because every Word is divinely inspired.

When I am asked, "How did Christ preach to the spirits in prison," the obvious answer seems to me to be "exactly as the passage itself declares." That, by being put to death in the flesh, but quickened or made alive by the Spirit, Christ by the same Spirit that quickened him form the dead, the same Spirit preached THROUGH him while he was alive to spirits in prison. In other words, it is declaring that it was by Christ's death in the flesh and resurrection by the Spirit, that He and his servants testify to the disobedient. It is a Biblical fact that before we were saved, we were spirits held captive or prisoners by Satan. Christ was manifested in the flesh specifically to set us free from that captivity. Knowing this truth is now a matter of simply defining what we read "by biblical terms," rather than by speculation, tradition, or assumptions.
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1st John 4:1~"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."
In Biblical terms, what are these spirits that the saints are told not to believe? Clearly they are the spirits in prison. In other words, they are those people who are held in spiritual captivity so that they are in bondage and servitude to Satan. They are people who are unsaved whom the saints are not to believe. The question we should be asking concerning the actual text of Peter is, How does Christ preach or declare the gospel to someone by His death and resurrection? Is it not through the witness of His Spirit? And is that not exactly what 1st Peter says in the text? The death He suffered was on the cross, and the punishment He endured was the wrath of God as He was laden with our sins (2nd Corinthians 5:21). The wages He paid was that which was due for our sins. Thus when Christ was resurrected, He was raised up without those sins. This act of sacrifice is what set our spirits free. In the real sense, as the second man (the second Adam) wherein we were dead, we were resurrected with him and delivered from our prison house. These spirits that were in prison, and that were witnessed the gospel through His Spirit, are the election.
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1st Peter 3:21,22~"The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
The Spirit of God uses the gospel of Christ to deliver us from the power of Satan wherein we were held captive by him~the same gospel is preached unto other spirits in prison, yet WITHOUT the Spirit of God quickening us and opening the doors of the prison we were in we would never be able to escape. In other words, it takes the SAME POWER that raised up Christ to raise up us from the captivity wherein we were held.
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Ephesians 1:19,20~"And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
When Christ was put to death he died as a SINNER, he was put to death with our sins ON HIM, thereby, he was not living after he died, he had to be resurrected before he begins to live again! He died not as God, but as MAN carrying our sins upon him! So, it would be impossible for him to be preaching to literal dead souls as so many vainly suppose. Believing in that doctrine affects so many other doctrines! You might want to re-think your position.
Quote from: fish153 on: Yesterday at 18:54:36
There are angels chained in the abyss right now
Let me do a different post on this.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Thu Jul 01, 2021 - 04:02:52
Quote from: fish153 on Yesterday at 18:54:36
Red--There are angels chained in the abyss right now
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2nd Peter 2:4

"For if God spared not the angles that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto the judgement."

"For if God spared not the angels that sinned"~By whom are meant the devil and his angels; who are spirits created by God and as such were good; their first estate which they left was pure and holy, as well as high and honourable; they, were at first in the truth, though they abode not in it; they were once among the morning stars and sons of God, and were angels of light; their numbers are many, and therefore are here expressed in the plural number, "angels", though it cannot be said how large, a number that cannot be counted.

"God spared not"~ Notwithstanding the dignity and excellency of their nature, in strict justice, and awful severity, without any mercy, inflicted due punishment on them; wherefore it cannot be thought that false teachers, who, as they, abide not in the truth, but deny and oppose it, should escape the vengeance of God, for they will not.

"but cast them down to hell"~In what sense are we to understand the word hell as used by Peter?  It cannot be understood as the lake of fire, for that is after the judgment~for which they are reserved for...which is to come, as is evident by even the fallen angles themselves:
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Matthew 8:29"And behold they cried out saying, What have we to do with thee Jesus, thou Son of God?  art thou come hither to torment us before the time?"
They know that there is a day appointed for them to be judge and then cast into the lake of fire, or into the deep, as used by Mark and Luke.

Also, we must not forget, the world is full of evil spirits even now as is evident by many scriptures in the NT, and in the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ.  Hell in this scripture is explained to us by Peter as he said these words:

"and delivered them into chains of darkness"~ "NOT WITH, but INTO" chains of darkness. When they left their first estate, by sinning, God Almighty delivered them into chains of darkness~which means their sins left them under the guilt of sin, which is the power of darkness, and in black despair; shutting them up in unbelief, impenitence, and hardness of mind; being holden with the cords of their sins, and in the most dreadful state of bondage and captivity to their lusts, in just judgment on them; and in the most miserable and uncomfortable condition, being driven from the realms of light, deprived of the face and presence of God, in the utmost horror and trembling, and fearful looking for of judgment, and fiery indignation to consume them; and in utter darkness, without the least glimmering of light, joy, peace, and comfort; and where there is nothing but weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth; and being also under the restraints of the power and providence of God, and not able to stir or move, or do anything without divine permission; and being likewise, by the everlasting, unalterable, and inscrutable purposes and decrees of God, appointed to everlasting wrath and destruction; by which they are consigned and bound over to it, and held fast, that they cannot escape it! They are there~

"to be reserved unto judgment"~And judge they shall be! By Jesus Christ and his saints. This is the prison of hell in which they are now suffering under, there waiting for that great day of the wrath of Almighty God.  This hell, they will never escape from, they are forever under this chains of darkness and deception in which they are now living under. Their final abode will be destroyed in the lake of fire and brimstone. Selah!
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: fish153 on Thu Jul 01, 2021 - 11:46:21
Red--
My point was that God has angels chained in the abyss right now whom he will eventually throw into the Lake of Fire. If he will do this to angels, why not men also? That is the whole point of Peter's reminder isn't it? If he will do this to angels, what makes you think he won't do the same to PUNY MEN??
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: Rella on Thu Jul 01, 2021 - 12:17:36
Red--
My point was that God has angels chained in the abyss right now whom he will eventually throw into the Lake of Fire. If he will do this to angels, why not men also? That is the whole point of Peter's reminder isn't it? If he will do this to angels, what makes you think he won't do the same to PUNY MEN??

Exactly.

Turn your back on creator God and watch what happens.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Thu Jul 01, 2021 - 13:34:42
Red--
My point was that God has angels chained in the abyss right now whom he will eventually throw into the Lake of Fire. If he will do this to angels, why not men also? That is the whole point of Peter's reminder isn't it? If he will do this to angels, what makes you think he won't do the same to PUNY MEN??
Brother read my posts~NO where did I say he would not cast men into the lake of fire~of course he will~ the lake of fire IS the second death. Also, angels are NOT now in chains in a burning hell~again read what I posted and refute THAT. There is A DAY APPOINTED by God to judge both angels and men that day is yet in the future~now BOTH are in chains in a true biblical sense! Only the angels with a much severe judgment.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: fish153 on Thu Jul 01, 2021 - 13:56:09
Red--
There you go "spiritualizing" again. There ARE angels literally imprisoned with chains right now. There are fallen angels who are free right now, but there are a special group of angels who "kept not their first estate". They CAUSED God to judge the world with the flood. They are in chains to PREVENT THEM from doing it again! I did not say they are burning in flames right now. I said they are imprisoned (most likely in great darkness). The demons fear to go there. Remember the demoniac? The demons cried "do not send us into the abyss!!" It is a place of imprisonment and torment.

Those angels are not in "chains" as the kind you describe-- they are LITERALLY in chains and imprisoned. You really need to stop spiritualizing everything Red. It is not wise at all.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Fri Jul 02, 2021 - 03:34:02
Red--There you go "spiritualizing" again. There ARE angels literally imprisoned with chains right now.
Not spiritualizing, but using scriptures to make SENSE with what is said. Please quickly consider a couple of things.

How can a spirit be literally chained? Impossible, so we must look into the scriptures for a biblical answer, and if you read my post honestly with an unbiased heart I think you should find your answer, AT LEAST be on track to finding it~ and maybe, even adding more...... once a person refuses his own bias answers to God's truth~I have seen it happened in the past more than once with MYSELF and others~ of scriptures coming together by mutual parties adding their studies.

Also, why some angels as you say chained in the abyss right now"~(wherever that place may be, the scriptures are totally silenced on such as place)....and others are NOT?

Without getting into a study on evil spirits~sufficent to say now that they indwell and work in the children of disobedience; they have a house in people whom they prefer, but CAN live in animals~can go from house to house, or return back to their favorite house and taking some of their evil comrades with them. They dwell in the heavens~they have a rank among them, etc etc. So having such power among them...... WHO IS CHAINED in "your abyss"? Satan certainly is not, yet he and all others ARE as Peter said: IN CHAINS OF DARKNESS~"darkness" describing the chains they ARE IN, not with! In chains of darkness speaks of their depravity and ignorance that they are now in, just like fallen men who took on the image of Satan who deceived Eve into sinning and Adam following Eve.

More could said but enough for now. We could start a thread on this study of fallen angels.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Jul 02, 2021 - 16:53:12
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How can a spirit be literally chained?

The spirit world is a dimension that cannot be heard, seen, smelled, touched, or tasted by natural means. The chains (if perchance the passage in question is speaking of something akin to linked metal shackles) would constrain a spirit, but fail to constrain one of us because we are solid whereas a paranormal chain would have less consistency than thin air.

For example, if a drilling machine were to dig down to the center of the Earth searching for Hades, it would pass thru that area without detecting it because Hades is an afterlife world, i.e. supernatural.

The natural world consists of elements found on the periodic table. It would not surprise me to discover that the supernatural world consists of elements not on that table; rather, a table of its own elements heretofore unknown.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Jul 05, 2021 - 10:20:20
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Years ago it wasn't unusual to be called a religious fanatic for believing the Genesis account of the creation of Man. Well; recently somebody online didn't call me a fanatic; instead they called me a bigot because I stand for the Bible's physical gender designations and refuse to accept the new political designations, e.g. transgender and non binary.

Do they seriously think that the One who intelligently designed the cosmos-- all of its forms of life, matter, and energy --won't have the last word on this matter of gender identity?

Ps 2:1-5 . . Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against The Lord, and against His anointed, saying: Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall He speak unto them in His wrath, and vex them in His sore displeasure.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,036 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 63,101,724 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Mon Jul 05, 2021 - 12:56:47
Years ago it wasn't unusual to be called a religious fanatic for believing the Genesis account of the creation of Man. Well; recently somebody online didn't call me a fanatic; instead they called me a bigot because I stand for the Bible's physical gender designations and refuse to accept the new political designations, e.g. transgender and non binary.

Do they seriously think that the One who intelligently designed the cosmos-- all of its forms of life, matter, and energy --won't have the last word on this matter of gender identity?



He will indeed!
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Mon Jul 05, 2021 - 13:02:10
Years ago it wasn't unusual to be called a religious fanatic for believing the Genesis account of the creation of Man. Well; recently somebody online didn't call me a fanatic; instead they called me a bigot because I stand for the Bible's physical gender designations and refuse to accept the new political designations, e.g. transgender and non binary.

Do they seriously think that the One who intelligently designed the cosmos-- all of its forms of life, matter, and energy --won't have the last word on this matter of gender identity?



They do not think~they are void of any spiritual light. But God will have the last laugh be sure of that.
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Proverbs 1:26-32~I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you. Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me: For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD: They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof. Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices. For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them."
Amen to the word of God.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Jul 08, 2021 - 23:01:17
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When God is ignored; He can be expected to reciprocate.

Prv 1:24-33 . . I called you so often, but you didn't come. I reached out to you, but you paid no attention. You ignored my advice and rejected the correction I offered. So I will laugh when you are in trouble! I will mock you when disaster overtakes you-- when calamity overcomes you like a storm, when you are engulfed by trouble, and when anguish and distress overwhelm you.

. . . I will not answer when they cry for help. Even though they anxiously search for me, they will not find me. For they hated knowledge and chose not to fear The Lord. They rejected my advice and paid no attention when I corrected them. That is why they must eat the bitter fruit of living their own way. They must experience the full terror of the path they have chosen. For they are simpletons who turn away from me-- to death. They are fools, and their own complacency will destroy them. But all who listen to me will live in peace and safety, unafraid of harm.

Case in point is Mr. Esau.

"Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. For you know that even afterwards, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought for it with tears." (Heb 12:16-17)

The Greek word translated "repentance" is metanoia (met-an'-oy-ah) which essentially means to change one's mind; viz: to reconsider.

Esau was secular to the bone. But he "got religion" right quick when he saw his way of life costing him the blessing; but alas, the poor slob was a day late and a dollar short; so to speak.

Lesson to be learned: The time for people to believe in Hell is not when they get there, rather, before they get there.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,039 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 63,284,451 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Jul 11, 2021 - 10:07:24
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1Cor 1:26 . . Remember, dear brothers and sisters, that few of you were wise in the world's eyes

That verse is useful for illustrating that "few" doesn't always pertain to a handful, rather, it's simply a contrast between the majority and the minority, least vs most, large vs small, maximum vs minimum, ounces vs pounds, dimes vs dollars, feet vs yards, etc.

Some of the Bible's uses of the word "wise" don't always apply to folks born with a high IQ. Wisdom can also pertain to education; which doesn't make someone eo ipso smart, it just makes them informed; and if informed enough, they can even qualify as an expert witness in legal matters.

Anyway; education and/or a high IQ have their uses; but are insufficient when it comes to spiritual matters. In point of fact, those kinds of wisdom can actually be an impediment. Take for example Carl Sagan. Had his knowledge and his IQ been a spiritual advantage, then Carl would've stood on the side of intelligent design instead of opposing it.

It's tragic that Carl went to his grave with his curiosity, and so many scientific questions about the cosmos, unanswered; and to top it off, a day is coming when even Carl's pale blue dot will no longer be available for study.

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away." (Rev 21:1)

Can you imagine how delighted Carl would've been to explore Heaven's libraries where everything to know that can be known about the cosmos is stored? But alas, Carl will never find out because he was at best an agnostic, at worst an atheist.

» 1Cor 1:26 isn't sayng that no smart people become Christians; only that on the whole; the smart folk constitute a smaller percentage in comparison to ordinary people.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,042 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 63,467,178 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Jul 14, 2021 - 22:06:34
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As if hell isn't bad enough, people are in it as their selves; viz: they are never going to be free from their own personalities-- their phobias, their hang-ups, their inner conflicts, their memories, their anger, their hostility, their rivalries, their prejudice, their bias, their angst, their gender issues, their resentments, their regrets, their disappointments, their bitterness, their animosity, their passions, and their appetites.

Hell is even more of a hell than you might think because, having missed out on the regeneration about which Christ spoke at John 3:3-8, people take who they are right along with them down there.

Thus; suicide is not a good way to relieve depression. Depressed people and/or despondent people, take that low state of mind right along with them to the other side; and their sorrow will be even more intensified in fire when they realize that as bad as things were up here on the surface, their situation up here wasn't nearly as bad as their situation down below.

You can escape poor health via death, you can escape credit card debt, you can escape an abusive spouse, you can escape taxes, you can escape a physical handicap, you can escape pimples, you can escape a bully, you can escape despots and tyrants, you can escape a life of neither promise nor future, you can escape prison, you can escape grinding poverty, and you can escape the Mafioso; but nobody can escape themselves.

You've made this day a special day, by just your being you.
There's no person in the whole world like you;
And I like you just the way you are.

Fred Rogers, a.k.a. Mister Rogers

Well; I appreciate Fred's work with children; but the fact of the matter is: there are grown-ups out there who do not feel special nor do they particularly like the way they are; and that's never going to change should they end up in the wrong place when they leave this life.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,045 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 63,649,905 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Jul 17, 2021 - 09:47:30
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2Cor 5:11 . . Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men

The Greek word translated "knowing" means to know firsthand, viz: by experience rather than by education and/or instruction.

In other words; there were incidents at various times in the lives of Paul and his contemporaries when God frightened them, i.e. scared 'em out of their wits. Well; there's nothing like a good old fashioned close encounter of a third kind to convince even the most resistant skeptics; and Paul's history attests that his was a really stubborn case.

Of course if any of us were to claim to "know" the terror of the Lord, we'd be singled out as kooks and crackpots; but for some folk, fear is the only persuasion that works.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,048 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 63,832,632 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Jul 21, 2021 - 11:00:12
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1Cor 3:22-23 . . Everything belongs to you-- Paul and Apollos and Peter --the whole world and life and death; the present and the future. Everything belongs to you, and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.

People locked away in the fiery section of Hades may or may not be fully aware of all they've lost. Many are doubtless aware of at least their loss of immortality; but I'm not so sure they know about the bulk of their loss because not even that many Christians are aware of all they've gained by their position in Christ.

1Cor 3:22-23 refers to Rom 8:17 where believers are depicted by a Greek word that pertains to heirs in common, i.e. joint-heirs. Regular heirs each receive an individually specified portion of a benefactor's estate whereas heirs in common each take possession of the whole shebang, i.e. whatever the Father bequeathed His son, He bequeathed everyone belonging to His son.

For example: supposing a benefactor's estate totals 60 acres of land plus $10,000 in a bank account, and he left it all to six heirs in common. In that situation; the heirs are corporately one beneficiary instead of six; viz: all six inherit the 60 acres and the $10k as if each one were the only heir.

The extent of Jesus' inheritance is astonishing. It encompasses not only all that is in Heaven, but also whatever pertains to the new cosmos spoken of in Isa 66:17, 2Pet 3:13, and Rev 21:1; and I don't know what else.

John 3:35 . .The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.

John 16:15 . . All things that the Father has are mine

Heb 2:5 . . It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come

Fortunately Jesus has been appointed the estate's chief executive officer because I don't think anybody else among men could ever be relied upon to manage it properly.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,052 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 64,076,268 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Jul 24, 2021 - 10:53:46
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Christ is often thought of as a pacifist. But the fact of the matter is, Christ and the Old Testament's fearsome God are in total agreement.

John 10:30 . . I and my Father are unified.

In other words; Christ would never disapprove of the Flood, nor of the incineration of Sodom and Gomorrah. In point of fact, via the person of the Word of God depicted in the opening verses of John's gospel; the gentle Jesus was on hand for those events, and only too happy to lend a hand.

John 8:29 . . He that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please Him.

It sometimes puzzles me why Christ's enemies weren't more afraid of him because when you think about it: if he could cure blindness, then he could just as easily cause it, and if he could cure paralysis, then he could just as easily cause that too; and if he could cure the deaf and the dumb, then he could just as easily take away people's ability to speak and hear; and if he could cure leprosy, then he could just as easily infect people with it.

And if he could multiply a little to feed thousands, then he could just as easily thwart abundance to cause the starvation of millions; and if he could calm a storm, then he could just as easily generate a hurricane; and if he could replace a severed ear, then he could just as easily remove an ear; and if he could turn water into wine, then he could just as easily turn water into acid; and if he could exorcise demons, then he could just as easily muster demons for wide-spread possession.

The first time Christ came, he came as a victim; the next time he will come as a conqueror. One day out ahead, the sweet little babe away in manger is taking the reins of this planet, and his administration will be neither soft hearted nor soft headed.

Ps 2:9-12 . .You will rule them with an iron scepter; you will dash them to pieces like pottery. Therefore, you kings, be wise; be warned, you rulers of the earth. Serve The Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,055 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 64,258,995 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Jul 27, 2021 - 09:41:14
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I once heard a US Navy SEAL remark how that if SEALs were to play hop scotch, it would turn violent because they don't like to lose.

There's a humorous incident depicted in Dante's Inferno where these two guys, who were bitter rivals in life, are quarreling over who deserves Hell more than the other.

Well; I think it goes without saying that people competitive to the bone are not the kind of folk with whom God prefers to associate.

Matt 5:9 . . Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,058 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 64,441,722 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: Bemark on Thu Jul 29, 2021 - 04:26:29
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Christ is often thought of as a pacifist. But the fact of the matter is, Christ and the Old Testament's fearsome God are in total agreement.

John 10:30 . . I and my Father are unified.

In other words; Christ would never disapprove of the Flood, nor of the incineration of Sodom and Gomorrah. In point of fact, via the person of the Word of God depicted in the opening verses of John's gospel; the gentle Jesus was on hand for those events, and only too happy to lend a hand.

John 8:29 . . He that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please Him.

It sometimes puzzles me why Christ's enemies weren't more afraid of him because when you think about it: if he could cure blindness, then he could just as easily cause it, and if he could cure paralysis, then he could just as easily cause that too; and if he could cure the deaf and the dumb, then he could just as easily take away people's ability to speak and hear; and if he could cure leprosy, then he could just as easily infect people with it.

And if he could multiply a little to feed thousands, then he could just as easily thwart abundance to cause the starvation of millions; and if he could calm a storm, then he could just as easily generate a hurricane; and if he could replace a severed ear, then he could just as easily remove an ear; and if he could turn water into wine, then he could just as easily turn water into acid; and if he could exorcise demons, then he could just as easily muster demons for wide-spread possession.

The first time Christ came, he came as a victim; the next time he will come as a conqueror. One day out ahead, the sweet little babe away in manger is taking the reins of this planet, and his administration will be neither soft hearted nor soft headed.

Ps 2:9-12 . .You will rule them with an iron scepter; you will dash them to pieces like pottery. Therefore, you kings, be wise; be warned, you rulers of the earth. Serve The Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,055 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 64,258,995 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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there would be the spirit of witchcraft. For one who moves in the supernatural you have to hold the keys of the kingdom close to his heart. His  kingdom come his will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: Bemark on Thu Jul 29, 2021 - 04:43:54
He will come in the Glory of the father . That is the full power of who he is .
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Jul 30, 2021 - 12:36:06
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Years ago it wasn't unusual to be called a religious fanatic for believing the Genesis account of the creation of Man. Well; recently somebody online didn't call me a religious fanatic for believing; instead the critic called me a bigot because I promote the Bible's physical gender designations and refuse to accept the new political designations, e.g. transgender and non binary.

Do they seriously think that the One who intelligently designed the cosmos-- all of its forms of life, matter, and energy --won't have the last word on this matter of gender identity?

Ps 2:1-5 . . Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against The Lord, and against His anointed, saying: Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall He speak unto them in His wrath, and vex them in His sore displeasure.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,061 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 64,624,449 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Aug 02, 2021 - 11:06:56
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When God is ignored; He can be expected to reciprocate.

Prv 1:24-33 . . I called you so often, but you didn't come. I reached out to you,
but you paid no attention. You ignored my advice and rejected the correction I
offered. So I will laugh when you are in trouble! I will mock you when disaster
overtakes you-- when calamity overcomes you like a storm, when you are engulfed
by trouble, and when anguish and distress overwhelm you.

. . . I will not answer when they cry for help. Even though they anxiously search for
me, they will not find me. For they hated knowledge and chose not to fear The
Lord. They rejected my advice and paid no attention when I corrected them. That is
why they must eat the bitter fruit of living their own way. They must experience the
full terror of the path they have chosen. For they are simpletons who turn away
from me-- to death. They are fools, and their own complacency will destroy them.
But all who listen to me will live in peace and safety, unafraid of harm.

Case in point is Mr. Esau.

"Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. For you know that even
afterwards, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found
no place for repentance, though he sought for it with tears." (Heb 12:16-17)

The Greek word translated "repentance" is metanoia (met-an'-oy-ah) which
essentially means to change one's mind; viz: to reconsider.

Esau was secular to the bone. But he "got religion" right quick when he saw his way
of life costing him the blessing; but alas, the poor slob was a day late and a dollar
short; so to speak.

Lesson to be learned: The time for people to believe in Hell is not when they get
there, rather, before they get there.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,064 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 64,807,176 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Aug 05, 2021 - 09:30:11
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God pities the world's deplorable spiritual condition and offers a remedy for it (Luke 2:8-14) but that shouldn't be construed to mean that He likes the world. In point of fact, God regrets its creation. (Gen 6:6)


FAQ: Doesn't God know the future?

A: Yes.

FAQ: God knew in advance that He would regret creating mankind?

A: Yes.

FAQ: Knowing in advance that He would regret it; God went ahead and created mankind anyway?!

A: Yes.

FAQ: You mean to tell me that the hundreds and thousands of people on a road to the fiery section of Hades could've been prevented, i.e. nipped in the bud?

A: Yes.

FAQ: And that makes sense to you?

A: No.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,067 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 64,989,903 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Aug 08, 2021 - 09:54:28
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In the second chapter of the book of Daniel is told the story of Nebuchadnezzar's dream. He demanded his wise men to tell him the interpretation of the dream but withheld the dream's details; without which they could not answer.

But God had observed the king's dream; and revealed its details, along with its interpretation, to Daniel.

Prior to the invention of radio and television, it was likely thought entirely miraculous that God is able to observe the brain's imaginations, but now I'm not so sure. Modern technology has led me to suspect that the human brain broadcasts signals that can, with appropriate equipment, be received and processed into sound and pictures that can then be observed and/or recorded like episodes of Murder She Wrote and the Good Witch.

Modern technology has actually helped to make God's ability to observe dreams far more believable than ever before. Plus, if the brain is sending signals, then it can likely receive them too, so that God can send a dream, or an imagination, or a vision, or a bright idea to your head with little more difficulty than a cell phone sending videos of your Hawaiian vacation to friends back east in New Hampshire.

Don't laugh. There was a time when it was thought impossible to fly to the moon; that is until the Russians successfully launched the first Sputnik back in October of 1957.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,070 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 65,172,630 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Aug 11, 2021 - 10:53:44
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Luke 17:20-21 . . And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The Greek word translated "within" is a bit ambiguous. It can also be translated "midst" i.e. among you instead of within you.

There has always been a number of people on earth who are, and who were, citizens of the kingdom before they passed on. For example:

Luke 11:20 . . If I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come to you.

Col 1:13 . . For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves.

All the holy people in the Old Testament were citizens of the kingdom, and there were quite a few in the Israel of Jesus' day who were citizens too.

However, the Pharisees were correct to expect a literal realm (Acts 1:6-7) but they were somehow unaware that much of the realm's population is selected in this life rather than the next. The business of selecting folk, and transferring them into the kingdom, goes on all the time right under the world's nose; all around them.

The Pharisees were a bit of an enigma. They were better educated than most folks in Jesus' day, but for some reason didn't really know the Bible all that well. In point of fact; upon completing a discussion of regeneration with one of the Pharisees at John 3:1-10, Jesus inquired: Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not understand these things?

It just goes to show that anybody can read the Bible, and anybody can parrot the Bible, but not just anybody can explain it.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,073 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 65,355,357 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Aug 15, 2021 - 09:34:50
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Seeing as how God owns everything in existence, and answers to no one how He goes about managing it all; then what He says goes because nobody can stop Him from making and/or enforcing whatever rules He wishes.

Whether God's rules are loving, moral, just, and/or right and wise doesn't matter. It's as futile to criticize lightning for being so bright, and thunder for being so loud, as it is to criticize God's rules because no matter how much people complain about thunder and lightning; there is nothing they can do to stop those forces of nature from going about their business.

Acts 4:24 . .They lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:

The Greek word translated "Lord" in that passage is despotes (des-pot'-ace) from which we get our English word despot; defined by Webster's as a ruler with absolute power and authority.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,077 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 65,598,993 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Aug 18, 2021 - 09:28:16
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My writings support the existence of a Hell; but personally I totally hate it.

I do not approve of eternal suffering and haven't a clue how God manages to justify it. In my thinking eternal suffering is too extreme, too over the top; even for psychopaths the likes of the Bolsheviks, Joseph Stalin, Mao Tse-tung, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe, the CCP, and Kim Jong-Un.

A judicious amount of temporary suffering and humiliation followed by annihilation, okay; but eternal, perpetual torture? No.

Considering the amount of time, trouble, anguish, and patience that God devotes to rescuing people from Hell; I've come to suspect that He dislikes it just as much as i do.

1Tim 2:3-4 . . God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

But God is stuck with Hell. The problem is: He always does the right thing, and for reasons that I cannot even begin to imagine, Hell is the right thing to do with the lost.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,080 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 65,781,720 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Aug 21, 2021 - 09:59:13
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For many of us working stiffs, the first day on a new job is stressful and quite an adjustment. The night before that first day can cause enough anxiety to keep us awake worrying about what we might expect.

I'd imagine that, whether we end up in the right place or the wrong place in the afterlife, we will be just as stressed on our first day there as the first day here on a new job.

The anxiety associated with death is to be expected seeing as how most of us have no experience at all with that particular journey. But I think the majority of my anxiety in regards to death is related to what comes after. Pity there are no guide books available in print to prepare us in advance for the culture-shock tsunami with which we are sure to be slammed.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,083 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 65,964,447 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Feb 26, 2022 - 19:07:42
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Christianity is sometimes criticized as a license to steal because when people come to faith in Christ, the file that God has been accumulating against them gets demolished and from thence He does not begin compiling a new file.

2Cor 5:19 . . God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them

The Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which means to take an inventory; i.e. an indictment.

2Cor 5:19 is quite an advantage because when there are no books on people, then there is nothing on record with which to accuse them, i.e. it's as though they've never been anything but 100% innocent, viz: blameless.

This may seem like cooking the books, but God has a way to do it on the up and up without obstructing justice.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,272 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 77,476,248 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Mar 13, 2022 - 11:21:17
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Luke 16:26 . . Between us and you a great chasm has been fixed

The barrier between Abraham's side of the netherworld and the rich man's is curious. The Greek word is located nowhere else in the entire New Testament so we can't compare it's application in other situations.

Chasm isn't necessarily a crevasse like a gorge or a canyon. It can also represent a marked division, separation, or difference; for example there is a political chasm between China's communist party and China's regular citizens.

A chasm then, can be likened to the contrast between good and evil, right and wrong, wise and foolish, hate and love, the condemned and the innocent, the one true God and the many fake gods, the alive to God and the dead to God.

Anyway, this barrier in Luke's story isn't so expansive that people cannot recognize familiar faces on the opposite side nor hear their voice. And if it's a literal gulf, then I think it's reasonable to assume people have been trying to jump in to get away from the flames.

The Bible says that God desires all men to be saved and that He derives no pleasure from their misfortunes. However, once folks are lost in the netherworld, God's attitude towards them takes quite a turn. Folks in Hell are dead to God, and apparently He wants them to be dead to us too; even our loved ones and the BFFs for whom we care the most, i.e. fraternizing of any kind with the other side is not allowed.

Luke 16:26 . .Those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,287 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 78,389,883 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Mon Apr 25, 2022 - 10:33:23
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The Lord wasn't looking for people's religion, nor was he looking for people's piety and/or conduct on Passover night. He was looking for just one thing, and one thing only: the blood.

That being the case, then had a Jewish family failed to apply the blood in the proper manner, their first-born son would've been slain. On the other hand; were an Egyptian family careful to apply the blood in the proper manner, their son would've been spared because the The Lord is neither biased nor prejudiced.

Along that same line; Jesus' blood will protect anybody and everybody who applies it in the proper manner because he died for all; no exceptions regardless of age, race, gender and/or religious preference. But many won't be protected by his blood, because they will neglect to apply it at all, let alone properly.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,330 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 81,008,970 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri May 13, 2022 - 11:15:00
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Although church attendance is oftentimes thought of as worship, in reality it's not quite.

John 4:21 . . Jesus declared: Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.

* Jerusalem is the Temple site-- the very hub of worship --yet Jesus ranks it below something far more important.

Real worship begins in the heart; as an attitude.

John 4:22-24 . . A time is coming, and has now come, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.

The Greek word translated "worship" in that passage is  proskuneo (pros koo neh'-o) which roughly pertains to kissing someone's hand-- fawning and/or crouching, and/or prostrating oneself in homage; i.e. reverence.

That all strongly suggests groveling; defined by Webster's as creeping with the face to the ground, i.e. crawling with the body prostrate in token of subservience or abasement; for example:

Matt 5:3 . . Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Matt 5:5 . . Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

Matt 5:9 . . Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.

No amount of church attendance, nor any amount of liturgy, can substitute for the proper spirit in one's approach to God. If truth be known, there are countless thousands of folk attending church with whom God would be just as pleased if they went to a sports bar instead because their presence in church offends His sensibilities and makes Him nauseous.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,348 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 82,105,332 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu May 19, 2022 - 21:31:40
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Well, since my baby left me,
I found a new place to dwell.
It's down at the end of Lonely Street at
Heartbreak Hotel

Although it's always crowded,
You still can find some room
For broken-hearted lovers
To cry there in their gloom

That song, by Elvis Presley back in 1956, was very popular; and useful for depicting some of the conditions folks might expect in the netherworld should they end up on the wrong side of things. For example: just as Elvis' hotel always has a vacancy, so the netherworld too.

Prov 30:15-16 . . There are three things that will not be satisfied-- four that will not say, "Enough"

One of the four listed in that passage is Sheol, a.k.a. Hades.

And then there's "cry there in their gloom"

Matt 13:40-42 . . As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,354 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 82,470,786 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: DaveW on Fri May 20, 2022 - 10:08:29
That song, by Elvis Presley back in 1956, was very popular; and useful for depicting some of the conditions folks might expect in the netherworld should they end up on the wrong side of things.
I don't think, for those who "end up on the wrong side of things," conditions of expectation will be an issue at all.  They will be in such excruciating pain (several orders of magnitude higher than what is even possible in this life) that there will be nothing left to experience lonliness, crowdedness, or any other such thing.   
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri May 27, 2022 - 13:29:44
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Heb 6:4-6 . .  For it is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God afresh and subjecting him to public disgrace.

We know that with God nothing is impossible. So, I think we have to acquiesce that the impossibility spoken of here is so because God has made it His mission in life, so to speak, to assure that folks blessed with the level of advantages spoken of here are never to be given an opportunity to reconsider-- ever.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,362 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 82,958,058 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Jul 10, 2022 - 11:11:42
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Matt 13:10-11 . . And the disciples came and said to him: Why do you speak to them in parables? It is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Jesus answered their inquiry by referring to an incident in the 6th chapter of Isaiah's prophecy wherein God had lost interest in numbers of His people because they had lost interest in Him.

The Jews' spiritual condition was little different in Jesus' day, i.e. many were called but few chosen, and that's because the many were indifferent; which is not the appropriate response.

1Sam 3:19 . .The Lord was with Samuel as he grew up, and he let none of His words fall to the ground.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,406 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 85,638,054 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Sep 11, 2022 - 20:52:47
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I'd imagine the hardest part about Heaven is not getting there, but staying there.

Some years ago it occurred to me that it's very easy for me to live in this world, but Heaven would require a level of piety and self control that I was pretty sure I couldn't keep up forever. Sooner or later I'd mess up and get thrown out. But if it were just as easy for me to live in Heaven as it is for me to live in this world, then for sure I'd never get thrown out of Heaven.

In other words: if only thinking, feeling, and acting like God came just as natural to me as thinking, feeling, and acting like a human; then that would be the cat's meow.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,469 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 89,475,321 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Thu Sep 22, 2022 - 22:59:45
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1Cor 13:12 . . Now we see things imperfectly as in a poor mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God knows me now.

Back then, mirrors were made from a variety of reflective surfaces, e.g. silver, bronze, gold, and rock crystal. Their surface finish wasn't nearly as good as today's. People's faces were somewhat distorted too, like those funny mirrors in carnivals. Plus, their reflection was like looking at the world through a dirty window; they could can see themselves alright, but not sharply.

For example; the first time I used the mirror in my bathroom when I got home from cataract surgery, I was startled to see how much I had aged over time without realizing it because now I could see all my wrinkles and blemishes clearly whereas before surgery I couldn't. It was like the operation had suddenly made me 15 years older.

For now the exhortation to "Know Thyself" is virtually impossible, but I think most us prefer not to see the real person that we are in too much detail: at least for now anyway.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,480 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 90,145,320 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Fri Oct 14, 2022 - 12:35:59
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FAQ: What is meant by soul?

REPLY: Soul began appearing in the Bible in the book of Genesis by the Hebrew word nephesh (neh'-fesh) which isn't unique to human life. Its first appearance is at Gen 1:20-21 in reference to aqua creatures and winged creatures; again at Gen 1:24 as terra creatures; viz: cattle, creepy crawlies, and wild beasts; and again in Gen 2:7 as the human creature; and yet again at Gen 9:10 to classify every living thing aboard Noah's ark.

* God is said to have a soul. (Lev 26:11, Lev 26:30, Judg 10:16, Isa 42:1, Jer 32:41, and Zech 11:8)

Soul is somewhat ambiguous but basically refers to consciousness, self awareness, and individuality. It's sometimes a reference to one's heart, e.g. Gen 34:3, and to the core of one's being, e.g. Gen 27:4.

All in all, soul is just another way of referring to that part of human life that we call "self" which can be roughly defined as the who that you are.

Jesus' followers can expect to retain their souls when they pass on, but things are not looking good for the lost. According to Matt 10:28, people's souls survive normal death, but do not survive Hell fire. That fact gives me pause to question whether people condemned to the lake of fire-- depicted by Rev 20:11-15 --will be aware of their circumstances in an environment that destroys both soul and body.

NOTE: Apparently the rich man of Luke 16:19-31 wasn't in the Hell fire yet when he spoke with Abraham because he's depicted as completely sentient.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,502 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 91,485,318 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: DaveW on Mon Oct 17, 2022 - 12:13:56
Nefesh (soul) has about a half dozen different meanings in the OT Hebrew.
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Oct 19, 2022 - 09:40:05
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Deut 34:5-6 . . Moses the servant of The Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of The Lord. And He buried him in the valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth-peor; but no man knows his burial place to this day.

A very curious scene unfolded during Moses' burial.

Jude 1:9 . . Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the Devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare to accuse him of blaspheme, but said: "The Lord rebuke you."

* Though the passage above shows God responsible for Moses' burial, the actual labor was apparently assigned.

Anyway; if the Devil would interfere with the burial of a holy man like Moses, then I think we can safely assume he (or one of his minions) probably interferes with the burials of ordinary folk too; and I should think the smartest way for him to interfere is to ensure the minister comes out with nothing useful in his eulogy; but instead with the usual mushy rhetoric by which nobody hearing it can be saved. (Just goes to show that the Devil is not above walking over the bones of the dead to get what he wants.)


TALLY UPDATE: 1,507 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 91,789,863 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sat Oct 29, 2022 - 20:52:45
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God prohibits dishonesty.

Lev 19:11 . . You shall not deal falsely, neither lie one to another.

I think it's probably safe to posit that more liars are now, and more liars will be, in Hell than gays and lesbians simply because deceit, deception, fraud, cover-ups, dissembling, cheating, false impressions, pretense, and half truths are far more common.

Rev 21:8 . . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,517 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 92,398,953 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Sun Nov 13, 2022 - 12:37:47
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Ps 73:3-17 . . I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked. Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end.

Matt 16:26 . . For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?

It's been my observation that many of the powerful folks controlling education, finance, manufacturing, governance, entertainment, food production, health care, pharmaceuticals, print media and broadcast news, etc, are quite lacking scruples, and conduct their affairs as if foreign sovereigns with no one to answer to beyond the sphere of their existence. But of course they know something's coming because God instilled that awareness within their ancestors' inner being.

Gen 1:27 . . God created man in his own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.


TALLY UPDATE: 1,532 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 93,312,588 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Tue Nov 22, 2022 - 20:51:20
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I was raised a Roman Catholic, which is a complicated religion. Once someone is fully committed by completing First Holy Communion and Confirmation and undergone Christian baptism --God will be holding them accountable to comply with everything Rome teaches and stands for: the Commandments, the Canon Law, the dogma, the rituals, the Traditions, the Councils, the Bulls, the Encyclicals, the rites, the holy days of obligation, and the entire Catechism; plus everything that Jesus and the apostles taught in the New Testament, i.e. all four gospels and all twenty-one epistles, plus Acts and Revelation.

That's a lot to remember, let alone put into practice.

And then there's the matter of mortal sin. When Catholics leave this life with just one mortal sin on the books awaiting absolution, just one, they go straight to Hell. It's a direct flight; no stopover in a Purgatory. Even if a Catholic managed to be a top performer in faith and practice for fifty years, none of that will be taken into consideration. They will leave this life as if they'd been a pagan the whole time. Mortal sins are that lethal.

In addition; the Almighty isn't a political appointee like members of the US Supreme Court, viz: He isn't biased towards the left or to the right, i.e. the justice of God is fair across the board regardless of age, race, gender and/or religious preference, so that affiliation with The Church grants no one a certain amount of special consideration. (Rom 2:6-11, and 1Pet 1:17)

And the irony of it all; the supreme irony, is that Catholicism's hierarchy-- its priests, nuns, Popes, and Cardinals --are in just as much danger of failing to make the cut as rank and file pew warmers; in point of fact: according to Luke 12:47-48, they may be in greater danger.

* My eldest brother entered the Catholic priesthood and was a Friar when he passed away back in 2015. I often wonder about his present circumstances because there are no guarantees in that religion. My concern isn't helped by the fact that he was an alcoholic and in later years became doubtful a Hell even exists


TALLY UPDATE: 1,541 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 93,860,769 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Wed Nov 23, 2022 - 05:34:36
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I was raised a Roman Catholic, which is a complicated religion. Once someone is fully committed by completing First Holy Communion and Confirmation and undergone Christian baptism --God will be holding them accountable to comply with everything Rome teaches and stands for: the Commandments, the Canon Law, the dogma, the rituals, the Traditions, the Councils, the Bulls, the Encyclicals, the rites, the holy days of obligation, and the entire Catechism; plus everything that Jesus and the apostles taught in the New Testament, i.e. all four gospels and all twenty-one epistles, plus Acts and Revelation.

That's a lot to remember, let alone put into practice.

And then there's the matter of mortal sin. When Catholics leave this life with just one mortal sin on the books awaiting absolution, just one, they go straight to Hell. It's a direct flight; no stopover in a Purgatory. Even if a Catholic managed to be a top performer in faith and practice for fifty years, none of that will be taken into consideration. They will leave this life as if they'd been a pagan the whole time. Mortal sins are that lethal.

In addition; the Almighty isn't a political appointee like members of the US Supreme Court, viz: He isn't biased towards the left or to the right, i.e. the justice of God is fair across the board regardless of age, race, gender and/or religious preference, so that affiliation with The Church grants no one a certain amount of special consideration. (Rom 2:6-11, and 1Pet 1:17)

And the irony of it all; the supreme irony, is that Catholicism's hierarchy-- its priests, nuns, Popes, and Cardinals --are in just as much danger of failing to make the cut as rank and file pew warmers; in point of fact: according to Luke 12:47-48, they may be in greater danger.

* My eldest brother entered the Catholic priesthood and was a Friar when he passed away back in 2015. I often wonder about his present circumstances because there are no guarantees in that religion. My concern isn't helped by the fact that he was an alcoholic and in later years became doubtful a Hell even exists


TALLY UPDATE: 1,541 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 93,860,769 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Which order was he part of? Dominicans, Franciscans, Augustinians, or, Carmelites?
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Wed Nov 23, 2022 - 05:52:05
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I was raised a Roman Catholic, which is a complicated religion. Once someone is fully committed by completing First Holy Communion and Confirmation and undergone Christian baptism --God will be holding them accountable to comply with everything Rome teaches and stands for: the Commandments, the Canon Law, the dogma, the rituals, the Traditions, the Councils, the Bulls, the Encyclicals, the rites, the holy days of obligation, and the entire Catechism; plus everything that Jesus and the apostles taught in the New Testament, i.e. all four gospels and all twenty-one epistles, plus Acts and Revelation.

That's a lot to remember, let alone put into practice.

And then there's the matter of mortal sin. When Catholics leave this life with just one mortal sin on the books awaiting absolution, just one, they go straight to Hell. It's a direct flight; no stopover in a Purgatory. Even if a Catholic managed to be a top performer in faith and practice for fifty years, none of that will be taken into consideration. They will leave this life as if they'd been a pagan the whole time. Mortal sins are that lethal.

In addition; the Almighty isn't a political appointee like members of the US Supreme Court, viz: He isn't biased towards the left or to the right, i.e. the justice of God is fair across the board regardless of age, race, gender and/or religious preference, so that affiliation with The Church grants no one a certain amount of special consideration. (Rom 2:6-11, and 1Pet 1:17)

And the irony of it all; the supreme irony, is that Catholicism's hierarchy-- its priests, nuns, Popes, and Cardinals --are in just as much danger of failing to make the cut as rank and file pew warmers; in point of fact: according to Luke 12:47-48, they may be in greater danger.

* My eldest brother entered the Catholic priesthood and was a Friar when he passed away back in 2015. I often wonder about his present circumstances because there are no guarantees in that religion. My concern isn't helped by the fact that he was an alcoholic and in later years became doubtful a Hell even exists


TALLY UPDATE: 1,541 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 93,860,769 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh~you do know there is no such place as a "present burning hell fire", even though there will BE a lake of fire where the wicked shall PERISH/be destroyed. IF you believe there is a present burning hell fire, then show me where any of the apostles taught this, and while you at it, show me where Christ did. Luke 16 does not qualify since it is clearly a parable, unless you can prove otherwise, which I'm pretty sure you cannot, but if you think you can, please help me out to see what light you may have that I have missed.  I have no desire to be in error on such an important doctrine, if indeed it is in the holy scriptures.

NyawehNyoh~if your brother only had a drinking problem, then most likely he's not much worse than most of the priests, nuns, Popes, and Cardinals, who have a serious problem with sexual sins, since they FORBID them to marry~forbidden to not marry, and them doing so for the kingdom of God's sake are two different things altogether. It has turn out to be true that THE RCC is a great place for men to continue their hebephilia lust with young pubescent children. It puts them in a "heavenly situation" (at least in their wicked mind, the only heaven they truly are seeking!) of being around what will serve their wicked lust for little children
Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Nov 23, 2022 - 15:08:50
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Which order was he part of? Dominicans, Franciscans, Augustinians, or, Carmelites?

Franciscans.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: NyawehNyoh on Wed Nov 23, 2022 - 15:31:25
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please help me out to see what light you may have that I have missed.  I have no desire to be in error on such an important doctrine, if indeed it is in the holy scriptures.

I doubt there's anything I can show that you haven't seen already, and besides; eternal suffering is a hot button issue that typically stretches into a perpetual debate that never gets to the bottom of anything.
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Title: Re: Hell's Daily Tally
Post by: RB on Thu Nov 24, 2022 - 05:56:12
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I doubt there's anything I can show that you haven't seen already, and besides; eternal suffering is a hot button issue that typically stretches into a perpetual debate that never gets to the bottom of anything.
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Probably with me, it would not get into an endless debate, I would make it very simple for one to consider.

I would ask those sincere believers that have come to believe in an eternal suffering one question, and it would be this~
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Did Jesus Christ truly pay for our sins, ALL of our sins?
If they say yes, he did~ I would ask them did he suffer endless suffering in a literal hell fire, OR, did he die for our sins? Which they would have to agree~Jesus was put to DEATH for our sins, or in other words he "seemly PERISH"~but since death had no power over a sinless person~ he conquered DEATH by his resurrection from death through the power of a sinless life according THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGE of heaven and earth.

Those cast into the lake of fire will suffer the SECOND death, or they will PERISH, per John 3:16 and other scriptures. For me, this is simple IF we stay with the scriptures.