Author Topic: Hell's Daily Tally (Read 20628 times)

NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #245 on:** Wed Jul 21, 2021 - 11:00:12 »

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• 1Cor 3:22-23 . . Everything belongs to you-- Paul and Apollos and Peter --the whole world and life and death; the present and the future. Everything belongs to you, and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.

People locked away in the fiery section of Hades may or may not be fully aware of all they've lost. Many are doubtless aware of at least their loss of immortality; but I'm not so sure they know about the bulk of their loss because not even that many Christians are aware of all they've gained by their position in Christ.

1Cor 3:22-23 refers to Rom 8:17 where believers are depicted by a Greek word that pertains to heirs in common, i.e. joint-heirs. Regular heirs each receive an individually specified portion of a benefactor's estate whereas heirs in common each take possession of the whole shebang, i.e. whatever the Father bequeathed His son, He bequeathed everyone belonging to His son.

For example: supposing a benefactor's estate totals 60 acres of land plus $10,000 in a bank account, and he left it all to six heirs in common. In that situation; the heirs are corporately one beneficiary instead of six; viz: all six inherit the 60 acres and the $10k as if each one were the only heir.

The extent of Jesus' inheritance is astonishing. It encompasses not only all that is in Heaven, but also whatever pertains to the new cosmos spoken of in Isa 66:17, 2Pet 3:13, and Rev 21:1; and I don't know what else.

• John 3:35 . .The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.

• John 16:15 . . All things that the Father has are mine

• Heb 2:5 . . It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come

Fortunately Jesus has been appointed the estate's chief executive officer because I don't think anybody else among men could ever be relied upon to manage it properly.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,052 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 64,076,268 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #246 on:** Sat Jul 24, 2021 - 10:53:46 »

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Christ is often thought of as a pacifist. But the fact of the matter is, Christ and the Old Testament's fearsome God are in total agreement.

• John 10:30 . . I and my Father are unified.

In other words; Christ would never disapprove of the Flood, nor of the incineration of Sodom and Gomorrah. In point of fact, via the person of the Word of God depicted in the opening verses of John's gospel; the gentle Jesus was on hand for those events, and only too happy to lend a hand.

• John 8:29 . . He that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please Him.

It sometimes puzzles me why Christ's enemies weren't more afraid of him because when you think about it: if he could cure blindness, then he could just as easily cause it, and if he could cure paralysis, then he could just as easily cause that too; and if he could cure the deaf and the dumb, then he could just as easily take away people's ability to speak and hear; and if he could cure leprosy, then he could just as easily infect people with it.

And if he could multiply a little to feed thousands, then he could just as easily thwart abundance to cause the starvation of millions; and if he could calm a storm, then he could just as easily generate a hurricane; and if he could replace a severed ear, then he could just as easily remove an ear; and if he could turn water into wine, then he could just as easily turn water into acid; and if he could exorcise demons, then he could just as easily muster demons for wide-spread possession.

The first time Christ came, he came as a victim; the next time he will come as a conqueror. One day out ahead, the sweet little babe away in manger is taking the reins of this planet, and his administration will be neither soft hearted nor soft headed.

• Ps 2:9-12 . .You will rule them with an iron scepter; you will dash them to pieces like pottery. Therefore, you kings, be wise; be warned, you rulers of the earth. Serve The Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,055 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 64,258,995 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #247 on:** Tue Jul 27, 2021 - 09:41:14 »

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I once heard a US Navy SEAL remark how that if SEALs were to play hop scotch, it would turn violent because they don't like to lose.

There's a humorous incident depicted in Dante's Inferno where these two guys, who were bitter rivals in life, are quarreling over who deserves Hell more than the other.

Well; I think it goes without saying that people competitive to the bone are not the kind of folk with whom God prefers to associate.

• Matt 5:9 . . Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,058 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 64,441,722 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Bemark · « **Reply #248 on:** Thu Jul 29, 2021 - 04:26:29 »

Quote from: NyawehNyoh on Sat Jul 24, 2021 - 10:53:46

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Christ is often thought of as a pacifist. But the fact of the matter is, Christ and the Old Testament's fearsome God are in total agreement.

• John 10:30 . . I and my Father are unified.

In other words; Christ would never disapprove of the Flood, nor of the incineration of Sodom and Gomorrah. In point of fact, via the person of the Word of God depicted in the opening verses of John's gospel; the gentle Jesus was on hand for those events, and only too happy to lend a hand.

• John 8:29 . . He that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please Him.

It sometimes puzzles me why Christ's enemies weren't more afraid of him because when you think about it: if he could cure blindness, then he could just as easily cause it, and if he could cure paralysis, then he could just as easily cause that too; and if he could cure the deaf and the dumb, then he could just as easily take away people's ability to speak and hear; and if he could cure leprosy, then he could just as easily infect people with it.

And if he could multiply a little to feed thousands, then he could just as easily thwart abundance to cause the starvation of millions; and if he could calm a storm, then he could just as easily generate a hurricane; and if he could replace a severed ear, then he could just as easily remove an ear; and if he could turn water into wine, then he could just as easily turn water into acid; and if he could exorcise demons, then he could just as easily muster demons for wide-spread possession.

The first time Christ came, he came as a victim; the next time he will come as a conqueror. One day out ahead, the sweet little babe away in manger is taking the reins of this planet, and his administration will be neither soft hearted nor soft headed.

• Ps 2:9-12 . .You will rule them with an iron scepter; you will dash them to pieces like pottery. Therefore, you kings, be wise; be warned, you rulers of the earth. Serve The Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,055 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 64,258,995 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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there would be the spirit of witchcraft. For one who moves in the supernatural you have to hold the keys of the kingdom close to his heart. His kingdom come his will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

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Bemark · « **Reply #249 on:** Thu Jul 29, 2021 - 04:43:54 »

He will come in the Glory of the father . That is the full power of who he is .

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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #250 on:** Fri Jul 30, 2021 - 12:36:06 »

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Years ago it wasn't unusual to be called a religious fanatic for believing the Genesis account of the creation of Man. Well; recently somebody online didn't call me a religious fanatic for believing; instead the critic called me a bigot because I promote the Bible's physical gender designations and refuse to accept the new political designations, e.g. transgender and non binary.

Do they seriously think that the One who intelligently designed the cosmos-- all of its forms of life, matter, and energy --won't have the last word on this matter of gender identity?

• Ps 2:1-5 . . Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against The Lord, and against His anointed, saying: Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall He speak unto them in His wrath, and vex them in His sore displeasure.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,061 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 64,624,449 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #251 on:** Mon Aug 02, 2021 - 11:06:56 »

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When God is ignored; He can be expected to reciprocate.

• Prv 1:24-33 . . I called you so often, but you didn't come. I reached out to you,
but you paid no attention. You ignored my advice and rejected the correction I
offered. So I will laugh when you are in trouble! I will mock you when disaster
overtakes you-- when calamity overcomes you like a storm, when you are engulfed
by trouble, and when anguish and distress overwhelm you.

. . . I will not answer when they cry for help. Even though they anxiously search for
me, they will not find me. For they hated knowledge and chose not to fear The
Lord. They rejected my advice and paid no attention when I corrected them. That is
why they must eat the bitter fruit of living their own way. They must experience the
full terror of the path they have chosen. For they are simpletons who turn away
from me-- to death. They are fools, and their own complacency will destroy them.
But all who listen to me will live in peace and safety, unafraid of harm.

Case in point is Mr. Esau.

"Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. For you know that even
afterwards, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found
no place for repentance, though he sought for it with tears." (Heb 12:16-17)

The Greek word translated "repentance" is metanoia (met-an'-oy-ah) which
essentially means to change one's mind; viz: to reconsider.

Esau was secular to the bone. But he "got religion" right quick when he saw his way
of life costing him the blessing; but alas, the poor slob was a day late and a dollar
short; so to speak.

Lesson to be learned: The time for people to believe in Hell is not when they get
there, rather, before they get there.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,064 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 64,807,176 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #252 on:** Thu Aug 05, 2021 - 09:30:11 »

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God pities the world's deplorable spiritual condition and offers a remedy for it (Luke 2:8-14) but that shouldn't be construed to mean that He likes the world. In point of fact, God regrets its creation. (Gen 6:6)

FAQ: Doesn't God know the future?

A: Yes.

FAQ: God knew in advance that He would regret creating mankind?

A: Yes.

FAQ: Knowing in advance that He would regret it; God went ahead and created mankind anyway?!

A: Yes.

FAQ: You mean to tell me that the hundreds and thousands of people on a road to the fiery section of Hades could've been prevented, i.e. nipped in the bud?

A: Yes.

FAQ: And that makes sense to you?

A: No.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,067 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 64,989,903 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #253 on:** Sun Aug 08, 2021 - 09:54:28 »

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In the second chapter of the book of Daniel is told the story of Nebuchadnezzar's dream. He demanded his wise men to tell him the interpretation of the dream but withheld the dream's details; without which they could not answer.

But God had observed the king's dream; and revealed its details, along with its interpretation, to Daniel.

Prior to the invention of radio and television, it was likely thought entirely miraculous that God is able to observe the brain's imaginations, but now I'm not so sure. Modern technology has led me to suspect that the human brain broadcasts signals that can, with appropriate equipment, be received and processed into sound and pictures that can then be observed and/or recorded like episodes of Murder She Wrote and the Good Witch.

Modern technology has actually helped to make God's ability to observe dreams far more believable than ever before. Plus, if the brain is sending signals, then it can likely receive them too, so that God can send a dream, or an imagination, or a vision, or a bright idea to your head with little more difficulty than a cell phone sending videos of your Hawaiian vacation to friends back east in New Hampshire.

Don't laugh. There was a time when it was thought impossible to fly to the moon; that is until the Russians successfully launched the first Sputnik back in October of 1957.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,070 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 65,172,630 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #253 on:** Sun Aug 08, 2021 - 09:54:28 »

NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #254 on:** Wed Aug 11, 2021 - 10:53:44 »

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• Luke 17:20-21 . . And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The Greek word translated "within" is a bit ambiguous. It can also be translated "midst" i.e. among you instead of within you.

There has always been a number of people on earth who are, and who were, citizens of the kingdom before they passed on. For example:

• Luke 11:20 . . If I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come to you.

• Col 1:13 . . For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves.

All the holy people in the Old Testament were citizens of the kingdom, and there were quite a few in the Israel of Jesus' day who were citizens too.

However, the Pharisees were correct to expect a literal realm (Acts 1:6-7) but they were somehow unaware that much of the realm's population is selected in this life rather than the next. The business of selecting folk, and transferring them into the kingdom, goes on all the time right under the world's nose; all around them.

The Pharisees were a bit of an enigma. They were better educated than most folks in Jesus' day, but for some reason didn't really know the Bible all that well. In point of fact; upon completing a discussion of regeneration with one of the Pharisees at John 3:1-10, Jesus inquired: Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not understand these things?

It just goes to show that anybody can read the Bible, and anybody can parrot the Bible, but not just anybody can explain it.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,073 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 65,355,357 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #255 on:** Sun Aug 15, 2021 - 09:34:50 »

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Seeing as how God owns everything in existence, and answers to no one how He goes about managing it all; then what He says goes because nobody can stop Him from making and/or enforcing whatever rules He wishes.

Whether God's rules are loving, moral, just, and/or right and wise doesn't matter. It's as futile to criticize lightning for being so bright, and thunder for being so loud, as it is to criticize God's rules because no matter how much people complain about thunder and lightning; there is nothing they can do to stop those forces of nature from going about their business.

• Acts 4:24 . .They lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:

The Greek word translated "Lord" in that passage is despotes (des-pot'-ace) from which we get our English word despot; defined by Webster's as a ruler with absolute power and authority.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,077 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 65,598,993 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #256 on:** Wed Aug 18, 2021 - 09:28:16 »

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My writings support the existence of a Hell; but personally I totally hate it.

I do not approve of eternal suffering and haven't a clue how God manages to justify it. In my thinking eternal suffering is too extreme, too over the top; even for psychopaths the likes of the Bolsheviks, Joseph Stalin, Mao Tse-tung, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe, the CCP, and Kim Jong-Un.

A judicious amount of temporary suffering and humiliation followed by annihilation, okay; but eternal, perpetual torture? No.

Considering the amount of time, trouble, anguish, and patience that God devotes to rescuing people from Hell; I've come to suspect that He dislikes it just as much as i do.

• 1Tim 2:3-4 . . God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

But God is stuck with Hell. The problem is: He always does the right thing, and for reasons that I cannot even begin to imagine, Hell is the right thing to do with the lost.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,080 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 65,781,720 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #257 on:** Sat Aug 21, 2021 - 09:59:13 »

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For many of us working stiffs, the first day on a new job is stressful and quite an adjustment. The night before that first day can cause enough anxiety to keep us awake worrying about what we might expect.

I'd imagine that, whether we end up in the right place or the wrong place in the afterlife, we will be just as stressed on our first day there as the first day here on a new job.

The anxiety associated with death is to be expected seeing as how most of us have no experience at all with that particular journey. But I think the majority of my anxiety in regards to death is related to what comes after. Pity there are no guide books available in print to prepare us in advance for the culture-shock tsunami with which we are sure to be slammed.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,083 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 65,964,447 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #258 on:** Sat Feb 26, 2022 - 19:07:42 »

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Christianity is sometimes criticized as a license to steal because when people come to faith in Christ, the file that God has been accumulating against them gets demolished and from thence He does not begin compiling a new file.

• 2Cor 5:19 . . God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them

The Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which means to take an inventory; i.e. an indictment.

2Cor 5:19 is quite an advantage because when there are no books on people, then there is nothing on record with which to accuse them, i.e. it's as though they've never been anything but 100% innocent, viz: blameless.

This may seem like cooking the books, but God has a way to do it on the up and up without obstructing justice.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,272 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 77,476,248 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #259 on:** Sun Mar 13, 2022 - 11:21:17 »

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• Luke 16:26 . . Between us and you a great chasm has been fixed

The barrier between Abraham's side of the netherworld and the rich man's is curious. The Greek word is located nowhere else in the entire New Testament so we can't compare it's application in other situations.

Chasm isn't necessarily a crevasse like a gorge or a canyon. It can also represent a marked division, separation, or difference; for example there is a political chasm between China's communist party and China's regular citizens.

A chasm then, can be likened to the contrast between good and evil, right and wrong, wise and foolish, hate and love, the condemned and the innocent, the one true God and the many fake gods, the alive to God and the dead to God.

Anyway, this barrier in Luke's story isn't so expansive that people cannot recognize familiar faces on the opposite side nor hear their voice. And if it's a literal gulf, then I think it's reasonable to assume people have been trying to jump in to get away from the flames.

The Bible says that God desires all men to be saved and that He derives no pleasure from their misfortunes. However, once folks are lost in the netherworld, God's attitude towards them takes quite a turn. Folks in Hell are dead to God, and apparently He wants them to be dead to us too; even our loved ones and the BFFs for whom we care the most, i.e. fraternizing of any kind with the other side is not allowed.

• Luke 16:26 . .Those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,287 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 78,389,883 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #260 on:** Mon Apr 25, 2022 - 10:33:23 »

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The Lord wasn't looking for people's religion, nor was he looking for people's piety and/or conduct on Passover night. He was looking for just one thing, and one thing only: the blood.

That being the case, then had a Jewish family failed to apply the blood in the proper manner, their first-born son would've been slain. On the other hand; were an Egyptian family careful to apply the blood in the proper manner, their son would've been spared because the The Lord is neither biased nor prejudiced.

Along that same line; Jesus' blood will protect anybody and everybody who applies it in the proper manner because he died for all; no exceptions regardless of age, race, gender and/or religious preference. But many won't be protected by his blood, because they will neglect to apply it at all, let alone properly.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,330 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 81,008,970 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #261 on:** Fri May 13, 2022 - 11:15:00 »

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Although church attendance is oftentimes thought of as worship, in reality it's not quite.

• John 4:21 . . Jesus declared: Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.

* Jerusalem is the Temple site-- the very hub of worship --yet Jesus ranks it below something far more important.

Real worship begins in the heart; as an attitude.

• John 4:22-24 . . A time is coming, and has now come, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.

The Greek word translated "worship" in that passage is proskuneo (pros koo neh'-o) which roughly pertains to kissing someone's hand-- fawning and/or crouching, and/or prostrating oneself in homage; i.e. reverence.

That all strongly suggests groveling; defined by Webster's as creeping with the face to the ground, i.e. crawling with the body prostrate in token of subservience or abasement; for example:

• Matt 5:3 . . Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

• Matt 5:5 . . Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

• Matt 5:9 . . Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.

No amount of church attendance, nor any amount of liturgy, can substitute for the proper spirit in one's approach to God. If truth be known, there are countless thousands of folk attending church with whom God would be just as pleased if they went to a sports bar instead because their presence in church offends His sensibilities and makes Him nauseous.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,348 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 82,105,332 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #262 on:** Thu May 19, 2022 - 21:31:40 »

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Well, since my baby left me,
I found a new place to dwell.
It's down at the end of Lonely Street at
Heartbreak Hotel

Although it's always crowded,
You still can find some room
For broken-hearted lovers
To cry there in their gloom

That song, by Elvis Presley back in 1956, was very popular; and useful for depicting some of the conditions folks might expect in the netherworld should they end up on the wrong side of things. For example: just as Elvis' hotel always has a vacancy, so the netherworld too.

• Prov 30:15-16 . . There are three things that will not be satisfied-- four that will not say, "Enough"

One of the four listed in that passage is Sheol, a.k.a. Hades.

And then there's "cry there in their gloom"

• Matt 13:40-42 . . As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,354 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 82,470,786 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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DaveW · « **Reply #263 on:** Fri May 20, 2022 - 10:08:29 »

Quote from: NyawehNyoh on Thu May 19, 2022 - 21:31:40

That song, by Elvis Presley back in 1956, was very popular; and useful for depicting some of the conditions folks might expect in the netherworld should they end up on the wrong side of things.

I don't think, for those who "end up on the wrong side of things," conditions of expectation will be an issue at all. They will be in such excruciating pain (several orders of magnitude higher than what is even possible in this life) that there will be nothing left to experience lonliness, crowdedness, or any other such thing.

NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #264 on:** Fri May 27, 2022 - 13:29:44 »

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• Heb 6:4-6 . . For it is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God afresh and subjecting him to public disgrace.

We know that with God nothing is impossible. So, I think we have to acquiesce that the impossibility spoken of here is so because God has made it His mission in life, so to speak, to assure that folks blessed with the level of advantages spoken of here are never to be given an opportunity to reconsider-- ever.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,362 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 82,958,058 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #265 on:** Sun Jul 10, 2022 - 11:11:42 »

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• Matt 13:10-11 . . And the disciples came and said to him: Why do you speak to them in parables? It is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Jesus answered their inquiry by referring to an incident in the 6th chapter of Isaiah's prophecy wherein God had lost interest in numbers of His people because they had lost interest in Him.

The Jews' spiritual condition was little different in Jesus' day, i.e. many were called but few chosen, and that's because the many were indifferent; which is not the appropriate response.

• 1Sam 3:19 . .The Lord was with Samuel as he grew up, and he let none of His words fall to the ground.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,406 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 85,638,054 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #266 on:** Sun Sep 11, 2022 - 20:52:47 »

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I'd imagine the hardest part about Heaven is not getting there, but staying there.

Some years ago it occurred to me that it's very easy for me to live in this world, but Heaven would require a level of piety and self control that I was pretty sure I couldn't keep up forever. Sooner or later I'd mess up and get thrown out. But if it were just as easy for me to live in Heaven as it is for me to live in this world, then for sure I'd never get thrown out of Heaven.

In other words: if only thinking, feeling, and acting like God came just as natural to me as thinking, feeling, and acting like a human; then that would be the cat's meow.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,469 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 89,475,321 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #267 on:** Thu Sep 22, 2022 - 22:59:45 »

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• 1Cor 13:12 . . Now we see things imperfectly as in a poor mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God knows me now.

Back then, mirrors were made from a variety of reflective surfaces, e.g. silver, bronze, gold, and rock crystal. Their surface finish wasn't nearly as good as today's. People's faces were somewhat distorted too, like those funny mirrors in carnivals. Plus, their reflection was like looking at the world through a dirty window; they could can see themselves alright, but not sharply.

For example; the first time I used the mirror in my bathroom when I got home from cataract surgery, I was startled to see how much I had aged over time without realizing it because now I could see all my wrinkles and blemishes clearly whereas before surgery I couldn't. It was like the operation had suddenly made me 15 years older.

For now the exhortation to "Know Thyself" is virtually impossible, but I think most us prefer not to see the real person that we are in too much detail: at least for now anyway.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,480 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 90,145,320 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #268 on:** Fri Oct 14, 2022 - 12:35:59 »

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FAQ: What is meant by soul?

REPLY: Soul began appearing in the Bible in the book of Genesis by the Hebrew word nephesh (neh'-fesh) which isn't unique to human life. Its first appearance is at Gen 1:20-21 in reference to aqua creatures and winged creatures; again at Gen 1:24 as terra creatures; viz: cattle, creepy crawlies, and wild beasts; and again in Gen 2:7 as the human creature; and yet again at Gen 9:10 to classify every living thing aboard Noah's ark.

* God is said to have a soul. (Lev 26:11, Lev 26:30, Judg 10:16, Isa 42:1, Jer 32:41, and Zech 11:8)

Soul is somewhat ambiguous but basically refers to consciousness, self awareness, and individuality. It's sometimes a reference to one's heart, e.g. Gen 34:3, and to the core of one's being, e.g. Gen 27:4.

All in all, soul is just another way of referring to that part of human life that we call "self" which can be roughly defined as the who that you are.

Jesus' followers can expect to retain their souls when they pass on, but things are not looking good for the lost. According to Matt 10:28, people's souls survive normal death, but do not survive Hell fire. That fact gives me pause to question whether people condemned to the lake of fire-- depicted by Rev 20:11-15 --will be aware of their circumstances in an environment that destroys both soul and body.

NOTE: Apparently the rich man of Luke 16:19-31 wasn't in the Hell fire yet when he spoke with Abraham because he's depicted as completely sentient.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,502 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 91,485,318 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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DaveW · « **Reply #269 on:** Mon Oct 17, 2022 - 12:13:56 »

Nefesh (soul) has about a half dozen different meanings in the OT Hebrew.

NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #270 on:** Wed Oct 19, 2022 - 09:40:05 »

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• Deut 34:5-6 . . Moses the servant of The Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of The Lord. And He buried him in the valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth-peor; but no man knows his burial place to this day.

A very curious scene unfolded during Moses' burial.

• Jude 1:9 . . Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the Devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare to accuse him of blaspheme, but said: "The Lord rebuke you."

* Though the passage above shows God responsible for Moses' burial, the actual labor was apparently assigned.

Anyway; if the Devil would interfere with the burial of a holy man like Moses, then I think we can safely assume he (or one of his minions) probably interferes with the burials of ordinary folk too; and I should think the smartest way for him to interfere is to ensure the minister comes out with nothing useful in his eulogy; but instead with the usual mushy rhetoric by which nobody hearing it can be saved. (Just goes to show that the Devil is not above walking over the bones of the dead to get what he wants.)

TALLY UPDATE: 1,507 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 91,789,863 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #271 on:** Sat Oct 29, 2022 - 20:52:45 »

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God prohibits dishonesty.

• Lev 19:11 . . You shall not deal falsely, neither lie one to another.

I think it's probably safe to posit that more liars are now, and more liars will be, in Hell than gays and lesbians simply because deceit, deception, fraud, cover-ups, dissembling, cheating, false impressions, pretense, and half truths are far more common.

• Rev 21:8 . . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,517 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 92,398,953 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #272 on:** Sun Nov 13, 2022 - 12:37:47 »

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• Ps 73:3-17 . . I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked. Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end.

• Matt 16:26 . . For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?

It's been my observation that many of the powerful folks controlling education, finance, manufacturing, governance, entertainment, food production, health care, pharmaceuticals, print media and broadcast news, etc, are quite lacking scruples, and conduct their affairs as if foreign sovereigns with no one to answer to beyond the sphere of their existence. But of course they know something's coming because God instilled that awareness within their ancestors' inner being.

• Gen 1:27 . . God created man in his own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

TALLY UPDATE: 1,532 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 93,312,588 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #273 on:** Tue Nov 22, 2022 - 20:51:20 »

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I was raised a Roman Catholic, which is a complicated religion. Once someone is fully committed by completing First Holy Communion and Confirmation and undergone Christian baptism --God will be holding them accountable to comply with everything Rome teaches and stands for: the Commandments, the Canon Law, the dogma, the rituals, the Traditions, the Councils, the Bulls, the Encyclicals, the rites, the holy days of obligation, and the entire Catechism; plus everything that Jesus and the apostles taught in the New Testament, i.e. all four gospels and all twenty-one epistles, plus Acts and Revelation.

That's a lot to remember, let alone put into practice.

And then there's the matter of mortal sin. When Catholics leave this life with just one mortal sin on the books awaiting absolution, just one, they go straight to Hell. It's a direct flight; no stopover in a Purgatory. Even if a Catholic managed to be a top performer in faith and practice for fifty years, none of that will be taken into consideration. They will leave this life as if they'd been a pagan the whole time. Mortal sins are that lethal.

In addition; the Almighty isn't a political appointee like members of the US Supreme Court, viz: He isn't biased towards the left or to the right, i.e. the justice of God is fair across the board regardless of age, race, gender and/or religious preference, so that affiliation with The Church grants no one a certain amount of special consideration. (Rom 2:6-11, and 1Pet 1:17)

And the irony of it all; the supreme irony, is that Catholicism's hierarchy-- its priests, nuns, Popes, and Cardinals --are in just as much danger of failing to make the cut as rank and file pew warmers; in point of fact: according to Luke 12:47-48, they may be in greater danger.

* My eldest brother entered the Catholic priesthood and was a Friar when he passed away back in 2015. I often wonder about his present circumstances because there are no guarantees in that religion. My concern isn't helped by the fact that he was an alcoholic and in later years became doubtful a Hell even exists

TALLY UPDATE: 1,541 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 93,860,769 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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RB · « **Reply #274 on:** Wed Nov 23, 2022 - 05:34:36 »

Quote from: NyawehNyoh on Tue Nov 22, 2022 - 20:51:20

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I was raised a Roman Catholic, which is a complicated religion. Once someone is fully committed by completing First Holy Communion and Confirmation and undergone Christian baptism --God will be holding them accountable to comply with everything Rome teaches and stands for: the Commandments, the Canon Law, the dogma, the rituals, the Traditions, the Councils, the Bulls, the Encyclicals, the rites, the holy days of obligation, and the entire Catechism; plus everything that Jesus and the apostles taught in the New Testament, i.e. all four gospels and all twenty-one epistles, plus Acts and Revelation.

That's a lot to remember, let alone put into practice.

And then there's the matter of mortal sin. When Catholics leave this life with just one mortal sin on the books awaiting absolution, just one, they go straight to Hell. It's a direct flight; no stopover in a Purgatory. Even if a Catholic managed to be a top performer in faith and practice for fifty years, none of that will be taken into consideration. They will leave this life as if they'd been a pagan the whole time. Mortal sins are that lethal.

In addition; the Almighty isn't a political appointee like members of the US Supreme Court, viz: He isn't biased towards the left or to the right, i.e. the justice of God is fair across the board regardless of age, race, gender and/or religious preference, so that affiliation with The Church grants no one a certain amount of special consideration. (Rom 2:6-11, and 1Pet 1:17)

And the irony of it all; the supreme irony, is that Catholicism's hierarchy-- its priests, nuns, Popes, and Cardinals --are in just as much danger of failing to make the cut as rank and file pew warmers; in point of fact: according to Luke 12:47-48, they may be in greater danger.

* My eldest brother entered the Catholic priesthood and was a Friar when he passed away back in 2015. I often wonder about his present circumstances because there are no guarantees in that religion. My concern isn't helped by the fact that he was an alcoholic and in later years became doubtful a Hell even exists

TALLY UPDATE: 1,541 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 93,860,769 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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Which order was he part of? Dominicans, Franciscans, Augustinians, or, Carmelites?

RB · « **Reply #275 on:** Wed Nov 23, 2022 - 05:52:05 »

Quote from: NyawehNyoh on Tue Nov 22, 2022 - 20:51:20

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I was raised a Roman Catholic, which is a complicated religion. Once someone is fully committed by completing First Holy Communion and Confirmation and undergone Christian baptism --God will be holding them accountable to comply with everything Rome teaches and stands for: the Commandments, the Canon Law, the dogma, the rituals, the Traditions, the Councils, the Bulls, the Encyclicals, the rites, the holy days of obligation, and the entire Catechism; plus everything that Jesus and the apostles taught in the New Testament, i.e. all four gospels and all twenty-one epistles, plus Acts and Revelation.

That's a lot to remember, let alone put into practice.

And then there's the matter of mortal sin. When Catholics leave this life with just one mortal sin on the books awaiting absolution, just one, they go straight to Hell. It's a direct flight; no stopover in a Purgatory. Even if a Catholic managed to be a top performer in faith and practice for fifty years, none of that will be taken into consideration. They will leave this life as if they'd been a pagan the whole time. Mortal sins are that lethal.

In addition; the Almighty isn't a political appointee like members of the US Supreme Court, viz: He isn't biased towards the left or to the right, i.e. the justice of God is fair across the board regardless of age, race, gender and/or religious preference, so that affiliation with The Church grants no one a certain amount of special consideration. (Rom 2:6-11, and 1Pet 1:17)

And the irony of it all; the supreme irony, is that Catholicism's hierarchy-- its priests, nuns, Popes, and Cardinals --are in just as much danger of failing to make the cut as rank and file pew warmers; in point of fact: according to Luke 12:47-48, they may be in greater danger.

* My eldest brother entered the Catholic priesthood and was a Friar when he passed away back in 2015. I often wonder about his present circumstances because there are no guarantees in that religion. My concern isn't helped by the fact that he was an alcoholic and in later years became doubtful a Hell even exists

TALLY UPDATE: 1,541 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 93,860,769 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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NyawehNyoh~you do know there is no such place as a "present burning hell fire", even though there will BE a lake of fire where the wicked shall PERISH/be destroyed. IF you believe there is a present burning hell fire, then show me where any of the apostles taught this, and while you at it, show me where Christ did. Luke 16 does not qualify since it is clearly a parable, unless you can prove otherwise, which I'm pretty sure you cannot, but if you think you can, please help me out to see what light you may have that I have missed. I have no desire to be in error on such an important doctrine, if indeed it is in the holy scriptures.

NyawehNyoh~if your brother only had a drinking problem, then most likely he's not much worse than most of the priests, nuns, Popes, and Cardinals, who have a serious problem with sexual sins, since they FORBID them to marry~forbidden to not marry, and them doing so for the kingdom of God's sake are two different things altogether. It has turn out to be true that THE RCC is a great place for men to continue their hebephilia lust with young pubescent children. It puts them in a "heavenly situation" (at least in their wicked mind, the only heaven they truly are seeking!) of being around what will serve their wicked lust for little children

NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #276 on:** Wed Nov 23, 2022 - 15:08:50 »

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Quote from: RB on Wed Nov 23, 2022 - 05:34:36

Which order was he part of? Dominicans, Franciscans, Augustinians, or, Carmelites?

Franciscans.
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NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #277 on:** Wed Nov 23, 2022 - 15:31:25 »

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Quote from: RB on Wed Nov 23, 2022 - 05:52:05

please help me out to see what light you may have that I have missed. I have no desire to be in error on such an important doctrine, if indeed it is in the holy scriptures.

I doubt there's anything I can show that you haven't seen already, and besides; eternal suffering is a hot button issue that typically stretches into a perpetual debate that never gets to the bottom of anything.
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RB · « **Reply #278 on:** Thu Nov 24, 2022 - 05:56:12 »

Quote from: NyawehNyoh on Wed Nov 23, 2022 - 15:31:25

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I doubt there's anything I can show that you haven't seen already, and besides; eternal suffering is a hot button issue that typically stretches into a perpetual debate that never gets to the bottom of anything.
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Probably with me, it would not get into an endless debate, I would make it very simple for one to consider.

I would ask those sincere believers that have come to believe in an eternal suffering one question, and it would be this~

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Did Jesus Christ truly pay for our sins, ALL of our sins?

If they say yes, he did~ I would ask them did he suffer endless suffering in a literal hell fire, OR, did he die for our sins? Which they would have to agree~Jesus was put to DEATH for our sins, or in other words he "seemly PERISH"~but since death had no power over a sinless person~ he conquered DEATH by his resurrection from death through the power of a sinless life according THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGE of heaven and earth.

Those cast into the lake of fire will suffer the SECOND death, or they will PERISH, per John 3:16 and other scriptures. For me, this is simple IF we stay with the scriptures.

NyawehNyoh · « **Reply #279 on:** Sun Dec 04, 2022 - 17:52:04 »

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Gen 2:15-17 is a favorite among critics because Adam didn't drop dead within 24 hours of tasting the forbidden fruit. In point of fact, he continued to live outside the garden of Eden for another 800 years after the birth of his son Seth. (Gen 5:4)

Some say Adam died a "spiritual" death, and that's true, but not entirely true, viz: the explanation isn't misinformation, rather, it's missing information.

Human life was created in the image and likeness of God. In other words; human life came out of the box with immortality, i.e. with perpetual youth. Adam lost immortality when he tasted the forbidden fruit, i.e. his body lost its perpetual youth and began to age.

Adam's body became infected with mortality, which is a lingering death rather than sudden death, i.e. mortality is slow, but very relentless: like Arnold Swarzenegger's movie character "The Terminator" mortality feels neither pain nor pity, nor remorse nor fear; it cannot be reasoned with nor can it be bargained with, and it absolutely will not stop-- ever! --until our useless corpse is ready for burial.

• Eccl 7:2 . . It is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of mirth, for death is the destiny of every man: the living should take this seriously. (cf. Luke 12:16-21)

TALLY UPDATE: 1,553 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 94,591,677 arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 03, 2018.
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