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Offline dan p

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HELP on 1 Cor 15:8
« on: Fri May 20, 2022 - 18:07:20 »
And  1 Cor  15: 8  reads ,   And last of all , He was  seen by me  also , as it were an  UNTIMELY  BIRTH .

 If  Paul was  BORN  OUT  OF  DUE  TIME ?

 Who  then was  born  in  DUE  TIME ?

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Re: HELP on 1 Cor 15:8
« Reply #1 on: Sat May 21, 2022 - 01:01:50 »
The rest of the apostles were installed by Jesus during His personal ministry, Paul was installed later.

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Re: HELP on 1 Cor 15:8
« Reply #2 on: Sat May 21, 2022 - 04:12:36 »
johntwayne was correct~As a child might be born well past the due date, Paul saw Jesus separate from the apostles. He saw the Lord Jesus Christ, for he had already affirmed it earlier in this very epistle (9:1). Paul saw Jesus on the Damascus road when he was struck down (Acts 9:17; 22:14; 26:16). Paul saw Jesus by visions and revelation when he went to heaven for a visit (2nd Corinthians 12:1-6). Paul saw Jesus by personal appearance and instruction in Arabia (Galatians 1:12 cp 1:17). Making him not a whit behind the chiefest of the apostles...... James and Peter and John~and in a Gentile mind, the chiefest of them all! 
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Re: HELP on 1 Cor 15:8
« Reply #3 on: Sat May 21, 2022 - 15:04:55 »
  And if you are correct that Israel was installed and that LATER  , Paul was then  installed , how can you prove that ??
the  12 APOSTLES  were  separate from Paul message .

 And believe that those who are will be born in  DUE  time is  Israel , 1  Cor  11:26 .

 Am still trying to see a  better  answer !!

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Re: HELP on 1 Cor 15:8
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Re: HELP on 1 Cor 15:8
« Reply #4 on: Sun May 22, 2022 - 03:36:55 »
And if you are correct that Israel was installed and that LATER, Paul was then installed, how can you prove that??
Dan, not totally sure your meaning of the word installed. If you only mean the gospel was first preached to the Jews and then to the Gentiles, then I hear you, if any other meaning then I am not following you.
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The 12 APOSTLES were separate from Paul's message.
Dan, that is not so~there is only one gospel which should be clear to any regenerate mind if Galatians is received as it should be.
Quote from: THE HOLY GHOST through Paul
Galatians 1:6-8~"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."
Guess who Paul used to show there is only ONE GOSPEL?  Peter, one of the main speakers for the apostles~ Whom Paul rebuked for his wavering of the truth sent down from heaven for them to preach.
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1st Peter 1:10-12~"Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
So, Dan, both Jews, and Gentiles are saved in the same manner with the same grace proclaimed in the same gospel.
Quote from: Peter
Acts 15:7-11~"And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
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And believe that those who are will be born in DUE time is Israel, 1  Cor  11:26.
There is only one Israel of God in the true biblical sense~you are not hearing Paul's argument correctly from Romans 9-11.
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Am still trying to see a better answer!!
I'll make a post on that one verse sometime today the Lord willing~look for it.
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Re: HELP on 1 Cor 15:8
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Re: HELP on 1 Cor 15:8
« Reply #5 on: Mon May 23, 2022 - 11:29:49 »
HELP on 1 Cor 15:8
It seems a little disingenuous to ask for HELP when what you really want to do is teach others.

You've been around here long enough that everyone already knows what you're angling towards, Dan.  You're here to make a case that the Gentile church / Body of Christ is a separate thing from the New Testament church.  You might as well just make your point... there's no need to try to do the old end-around.

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Re: HELP on 1 Cor 15:8
« Reply #6 on: Mon May 23, 2022 - 18:23:16 »
 And do you read  minds or  thoughts ?

 In  Eph 1:4  we were  chosen  BEFORE /  PRO  the  foundation of the  WORLD .

 Israel  was  chosen  FROM / APO  the  foundation of the  WORLD .

So we can see that Christ  dwelt with  Israel first !

Then  Christ b saved  Saul / Paul in  Acts 9:6 and there  began the  DISPENSATION of the  GRACE  of  God .

 I will be able to  ADD  to this  reply ,  LATER !!

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Re: HELP on 1 Cor 15:8
« Reply #7 on: Tue May 24, 2022 - 11:44:57 »
And do you read  minds or  thoughts ?
No, but I can discern based on past history and your word choices.  Perhaps you are not as sneaky as you think.

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Re: HELP on 1 Cor 15:8
« Reply #8 on: Thu May 26, 2022 - 14:11:48 »
 And we  see in  Eph 4:11 that is Christ that , He  gave ,  indeed the  APOSTLES , and the  PROPHETS , and  Evangelists and the  PASTORS and  TEACHERS ,  and that means that in the  B O C  there are also the above .

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Re: HELP on 1 Cor 15:8
« Reply #8 on: Thu May 26, 2022 - 14:11:48 »

 

     
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