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Heretical Hymns
« on: July 28, 2008, 11:34:36 AM »
What hymns are ones that folks consider to have theological incorrect lyrics?

Or that are heretical?

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Re: Heretical Hymns
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2008, 01:10:01 PM »
I'll Fly Away immediately springs to mind.  And it's such a good tune, too. =-/

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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2008, 01:16:47 PM »
What hymns are ones that folks consider to have theological incorrect lyrics?

Or that are heretical?

My favorite hymnal is  "The Solid Rock"  Written by Edward Mote in 1832.

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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2008, 02:18:43 PM »
I'll Fly Away immediately springs to mind.  And it's such a good tune, too. =-/

Can you point out the words in "I'll Fly Away" that are wrong? I have found unscriptural words in songs, but I don't remember any in that song. One that comes to mind is "Just a Little Talk with Jesus." It has the words "prayer wheel" in it.  A prayer wheel is a little wheel-like thing that is held in the hand and has prayers written on it. It is spun, and with each revolution the prayers on it supposedly go up to heaven.

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Re: Heretical Hymns
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2008, 02:57:49 PM »
I'll Fly Away immediately springs to mind.  And it's such a good tune, too. =-/

Can you point out the words in "I'll Fly Away" that are wrong? I have found unscriptural words in songs, but I don't remember any in that song. One that comes to mind is "Just a Little Talk with Jesus." It has the words "prayer wheel" in it.  A prayer wheel is a little wheel-like thing that is held in the hand and has prayers written on it. It is spun, and with each revolution the prayers on it supposedly go up to heaven.
"I'll fly away."
"To a home on God's celestial shore."

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Re: Heretical Hymns
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2008, 03:32:50 PM »
I'll Fly Away immediately springs to mind.  And it's such a good tune, too. =-/


Can you point out the words in "I'll Fly Away" that are wrong? I have found unscriptural words in songs, but I don't remember any in that song. One that comes to mind is "Just a Little Talk with Jesus." It has the words "prayer wheel" in it.  A prayer wheel is a little wheel-like thing that is held in the hand and has prayers written on it. It is spun, and with each revolution the prayers on it supposedly go up to heaven.


Interesting.  I didn't remember that phrase in that song.  So, I Googled it, and sure enough here it is:

Now let us have a little talk with Jesus
Let us tell Him all about our troubles
He will hear our faintest cry
He will answer by and by
Now when you feel a little prayer wheel turning
And you know a little fire is burning...



But, that isn't the way I know the song.  The version I grew up with has different words there.  This is how I know it:

Now let us have a little talk with Jesus
Let us tell Him all about our troubles
He will hear our faintest cry
He will answer by and by
Now when you feel a little prayerful yearning
As your heart unto heaven is turning...



So, someone else apparently had problems with the original version and actually changed the words.  I know of other songs that have lyrical differences depending on the songbook, for that same reason.

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Re: Heretical Hymns
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2008, 03:40:21 PM »
I'll Fly Away immediately springs to mind.  And it's such a good tune, too. =-/


Can you point out the words in "I'll Fly Away" that are wrong? I have found unscriptural words in songs, but I don't remember any in that song. One that comes to mind is "Just a Little Talk with Jesus." It has the words "prayer wheel" in it.  A prayer wheel is a little wheel-like thing that is held in the hand and has prayers written on it. It is spun, and with each revolution the prayers on it supposedly go up to heaven.


Interesting.  I didn't remember that phrase in that song.  So, I Googled it, and sure enough here it is:

Now let us have a little talk with Jesus
Let us tell Him all about our troubles
He will hear our faintest cry
He will answer by and by
Now when you feel a little prayer wheel turning
And you know a little fire is burning...



But, that isn't the way I know the song.  The version I grew up with has different words there.  This is how I know it:

Now let us have a little talk with Jesus
Let us tell Him all about our troubles
He will hear our faintest cry
He will answer by and by
Now when you feel a little prayerful yearning
As your heart unto heaven is turning...



So, someone else apparently had problems with the original version and actually changed the words.  I know of other songs that have lyrical differences depending on the songbook, for that same reason.


Any songs you grew up with that WERE original versions?   ::pondering::

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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2008, 03:49:08 PM »
How about this one?

My God and I

My God and I go in the field together;
We walk and talk as good friends should and do;
We clasp our hands, our voices ring with laughter;
My God and I walk through the meadow's hue.
We clasp our hands, our voices ring with laughter;
My God and I walk through the meadow's hue.



I suppose we could be laughing and skipping through the fields and cracking jokes like good buddies with the Almighty God one day.  



But, it seems more Biblical to me that we'll more likely be gathering around the great white throne, singing, "Worthy is the Lamb who was slain."

Sometimes, you just have to take a grain of salt with the sentiment the song expresses.  ::wink::

In this case, I think the idea is a renewed fellowship with God.

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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2008, 03:49:51 PM »
Hey, at camp last month the kids were told that JALTWJ was a "bad" song because we don't pray to Jesus!

And later that night the songleader led it in chapel, leading to much (well-deserved) confusion.

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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2008, 03:52:26 PM »
Any songs you grew up with that WERE original versions?   ::pondering::

I reckon there were some.  But, there are several songs I can think of that were changed in the books I grew up with, where I've only recently become aware of the original lyrics.

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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2008, 03:53:33 PM »
How about this one?

My God and I

My God and I go in the field together;
We walk and talk as good friends should and do;
We clasp our hands, our voices ring with laughter;
My God and I walk through the meadow's hue.
We clasp our hands, our voices ring with laughter;
My God and I walk through the meadow's hue.



I suppose we could be laughing and skipping through the fields and cracking jokes like good buddies with the Almighty God one day. 



But, it seems more Biblical to me that we'll more likely be gathering around the great white throne, singing, "Worthy is the Lamb who was slain."

Sometimes, you just have to take a grain of salt with the sentiment the song expresses.  ::wink::

In this case, I think the idea is a renewed fellowship with God.
It reminds me of the song... I come to the garden alone... and he walks with me and he talks with me...

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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2008, 03:56:41 PM »
It reminds me of the song... I come to the garden alone... and he walks with me and he talks with me...

That reminds me of the story about the kid who was asked what God's name was.

"Andy!" replied the child.

"Andy?! Why do you say that?"

"Because the song says, 'Andy walks with me.  Andy talks with me.  Andy tells me I am His own!'"

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Re: Heretical Hymns
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2008, 05:03:17 PM »
That reminds me of the story about the kid who was asked what God's name was.

"Andy!" replied the child.

"Andy?! Why do you say that?"

"Because the song says, 'Andy walks with me.  Andy talks with me.  Andy tells me I am His own!'"
My grandmother relates to me that as a child, her favorite hymn was:

Glad Lee, the Cross-Eyed Bear.

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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2008, 05:12:24 PM »
I also, as a kid, wondered what that rose was doing in the gravy.

"Up from the gravy, a rose."  ::doh::

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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2008, 07:02:02 PM »
I sang Bringing in the sheets at the top of my lungs as a kid.   I would also look directly at my brother and sing loudly,  Are you sewing the seeds of the king dumb brother. ::smile::