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« Reply #35 on: Thu Nov 21, 2002 - 19:10:00 »
"your site is WAY too high on agnostics"

dj, my site has various writings, but I am neither an agnostic nor an atheist.

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« Reply #36 on: Fri Nov 22, 2002 - 10:03:21 »
S_W< I'm obviously not "getting it".  But, for what little it's worth, here's what comes to mind so far...

"Spiritual duality of the Bible"... Sounds like hermaphroditism.  Bi-sexuality?  As applies to the spiritual, I mean.

How was Charlie saying
what you said he was saying
when he said what he said (*whew*),
servant_wayne?


Sounds to me like it was Jesus who said, as recorded in John chapter 8, when He was speaking to a few particular people, who just happened to be Jews (as Jesus also was in the flesh):

"I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father... If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham.  But now you seek to kill Me... You do the deeds of your father... Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word...  You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do... he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.  But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me." (NKJV)

What is it about that passage that troubles you, S_W?  Jesus said it.  Nothing that ever came out of my Jesus' mouth is bad.

If we don't apply all our "tools", like digging up the Greek and Aramaic and Hebrew, and like learning a little history... and I suppose, also, if we are raving blooming idiots... I suppose we could run with the statement and say that all Jews are fathered by/followers of Satan...  which would be bad enough.

That would mean that Jesus, and Joseph and Mary, and all Jesus' half-siblings, and all the apostles and earlier disciples, including the self-proclaimed "Jew of Jews" Paul, were all evil nasty icky Jews, eeew, let's hate them...

Then, if we really want to put on our "I'm a Degenerate Follower of Anyone Who'll Do My Thinking For Me" T-shirt (see p.s. below), we could jump from those conclusions to:

(a) all our troubles are the Jews' fault, and
(b)therefore it's OK to persecute and steal from and kill Jews.

BUT... would any of that outcome mean that Jesus was wrong to call LIARS the children of the Devil?

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« Reply #37 on: Fri Nov 22, 2002 - 18:03:51 »
wayne:

God Himself declared war on the amalekites in ex 17: 14-16.
how and when He carried the campaign out was His affair.  if i frequently attacked His people for plunder and murder, i would expect the same.  the amalekites were of esau's line.  they knew there was one God and they knew abraham's line was coming up out of egypt.  they were quite reckless as far as i'm concerned, and suffered greatly for it.  it's not like they had no clue with Whom they were dealing.

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« Reply #38 on: Fri Nov 22, 2002 - 18:59:40 »
The religious have no trouble believing what is said of God in 1 Samuel 15:2-3, but the sheep most certainly do; and thus, they avoid personalizing what is claimed of God. For they know that to personalize the vile deeds of 1 Samuel 15:2-3 they would be forced to truthfully confront what they are most fearful of doing: Questioning what the Bible has said of God.

They know that if forced to truthfully testify as to whether or not they would have been obedient to the commands of 1 Samuel 15:2-3, their faith in the credibility of the Bible would be challenged. For if they say that they would have participated in hacking men, women, and little children to death, they would be acknowledging that their spiritual nature is one with the maniacal religious terrorist of today. But on the other hand, if they were to say they would have refused to participate in that ungodly slaughter, in essence, they would be claiming to be more righteous than that one of bloody sacrifices whom they falsely claimed to adore.

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« Reply #38 on: Fri Nov 22, 2002 - 18:59:40 »

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« Reply #39 on: Sat Nov 23, 2002 - 13:00:44 »
"i understand your answers except #1. is it yes or no?"

Seems clear to me; Common sense should tell you that if God wants to destroy a people (1 Samuel 15:2-3), He doesn't need the help of men, whereas, if it is men who desire it, why not claim God commanded it?

You should also note that although it is claimed that all of the Amalekites were destroyed, except for Agag, they just keep cropping up!

1Sam:15:8: And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.

1Sam:15:15: And Saul said, They have brought them from the Amalekites: for the people spared the best of the sheep and of the oxen, to sacrifice unto the LORD thy God; and the rest we have utterly destroyed.

1Sam:15:18: And the LORD sent thee on a journey, and said, Go and utterly destroy the sinners the Amalekites, and fight against them until they be consumed.

1Sam:15:20: And Saul said unto Samuel, Yea, I have obeyed the voice of the LORD, and have gone the way which the LORD sent me, and have brought Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites.

1Sam:15:32: Then said Samuel, Bring ye hither to me Agag the king of the Amalekites.  And Agag came unto him delicately.  And Agag said, Surely the bitterness of death is past.

1Sam:27:8: And David and his men went up, and invaded the Geshurites, and the Gezrites, and the Amalekites: for those nations were of old the inhabitants of the land, as thou goest to Shur, even unto the land of Egypt.

1Sam:30:1: And it came to pass, when David and his men were come to Ziklag on the third day, that the Amalekites had invaded the south, and Ziklag, and smitten Ziklag, and burned it with fire;

1Sam:30:18: And David recovered all that the Amalekites had carried away: and David rescued his two wives.

2Sam:1:1: Now it came to pass after the death of Saul, when David was returned from the slaughter of the Amalekites, and David had abode two days in Ziklag;

1Chron:4:43: And they smote the rest of the Amalekites that were escaped, and dwelt there unto this day.

"does it seem to you that the posters here are christians?"

If God tells one to feed His sheep are you suggesting that I should avoid Christians?

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« Reply #40 on: Mon Nov 25, 2002 - 13:53:40 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--].  When the time comes when we shall all go before God, not a single one of you will be able to truthfully say to God that you believed He commanded vile things like 1 Samuel 15:2-3 because He affirmed it to you. The only truthful thing you can say is, you choose to believe it because you were afraid not to!  For the pillars upholding ritual Christianity is neither love nor truth, but bribery and fear. Bribery in offering heavenly rewards for unquestioning faith in its doctrines alone and threats of eternal damnation for unbelief in its priestly invented doctrines.  [/quote]

I thought I was confused before; now my mind is twisted into a little knot.

Somehow I am reminded of an image I saw in a comic book years ago of a prophet coming from the skies to announce the coming of some cosmic deity.  

Just curious; do you believe you have received some sort of special calling to proclaim you message?

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« Reply #41 on: Mon Nov 25, 2002 - 19:03:24 »
Good grief dj! If I'm questioning the inerrancy of the Bible what would cause you to think that I have no questions concerning the book of Exodus?  There is a whole chapter of flaws in Exodus on my site.

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« Reply #42 on: Tue Nov 26, 2002 - 10:07:36 »
DJ, what questions have you asked that I've not answered? What could possibly cause you to think that I would accept the validity of the account in Exodus, while saying the account in 1 Samuel is a fraud?

EXODUS 17:16: For he (Moses) said, Because the LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have war with Amalek from generation to generation.

(1) If God wars against one, He would not need men to do the dirty work.
(2) If God wars against one, it would not last from generation to generation.
(3) The conquest of the so-called "Holy Land" was no different than was our theft of this land.
(4) The Moses of the Pentateuch is but a priestly fabrication.

Consider the following and ask yourself, are these the deeds of a man of God?

IF YAHSHUA IS YAHVEH

And when the meek and holy Man of God saw all the multitude of female captives alive, "Moses was wroth with the officers of the Host," and in his holy wrath he demanded, "Have ye saved all the women alive?" (Num. xxxi, 14-15).  Then, in the name of his God, the Merciful, he gave this bloody order,- an order which if given by an Apache War-Chief crazed by Christian Fire-water, would have damned him and his Tribe and the "Great Spirit" of his Tribe to execration forever; - in the name of Yahveh Moses commanded: "Now, therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.  But all the women children, that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves"    (v. 17) So records the Holy Word of Yahveh, writ by "holy men of old as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." So the Chosen of Yahveh, at Yahveh's holy command, to the eternal glory of God, straightway put into pious execution this holy command of their God, and in holy zeal butchered some 68,000 women and young children; then these "peculiar treasures unto Yahveh" took the remaining 32,000 tender young virgins to glut their hallowed lusts upon in God- ordained rape!" Verily, as the Psalmist sings "the commandment of Yahveh is pure, enlightening the eyes" (Ps-. 8).  And Yahveh got his fair share of the-accursed booty, human and animal alike  (vv. 36-42).  

From: "IS IT GOD'S WORD" pg. 128, by Joseph Wheless
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« Reply #43 on: Wed Nov 27, 2002 - 07:10:19 »
Oh, watch out servant_wayne, you'll "give me the big head" by making me look normal.

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« Reply #44 on: Wed Nov 27, 2002 - 10:03:02 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]I'll leave you with this to ponder; not a single one that posted to this thread defended the goodness of God, but would have others believe that God is a baby killer. He must surely be proud of you! Nevertheless, it is apparent that the silent ones (the sheep) whom my message is intended for have seen my message, for there are more than 360 views of this thread.

Wayne[/quote]
It looks like I missed all the fun on this one.  Sorry Wayne.  I hope that you come to understand a God who loves you so much that he won't force you to have a relationship with him against your will.

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