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Homosexuality and Salvation
« on: May 14, 2010, 09:00:57 PM »
Can a homosexual person be saved? Let me rephrase this question: Can he or she be saved while continuing on living the homosexual lifestyle? What about if they decide to maintain celibacy for the rest of their life?

Bible says that all who accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, will have eternal life.  God doesn't hate the sinner, he hates the sin. God doesn't hate the homosexual, he hates the sin of homosexuality.
That's why any gay who sincerely accepts Jesus in their heart, realizes their sin and turns away from it will be saved. That doesn't mean they will never slip. Anybody who is prone to a certain sin has tendency to give into it in the moment of weakness.  I realize that it must be a tremendous burden to have an attraction for the same gender while trying to maintain purity. I admire those who are able to resist this temptation.
On the other hand, if a gay person accepts Jesus but still keeps having intimate relations with the same gender, makes me wonder if they truly accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior in the first place.
Nobody, in my opinion, who made true commitment to follow Jesus and walked with Him for some time, is capable of staying in habitual sin.
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Re: Homosexuality and Salvation
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2010, 09:18:51 PM »
If a person who has same sex attraction and stays away from it, and is a Christian, then yes he is surely saved.

I suppose the same applies to a hetrosexual couple who are having sex but arent married. Are they saved even if they know that they shouldnt be doing it? I know people in this position who know that it is wrong but do it anyway. No different surely from the gay couple?
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2010, 09:38:31 PM »
Greetings Brothers in The Name of Our Lord may you have Peace.

Homosexuality in the Word, whether it be in the Torah or the New Covenant is treated as a sin and no one who has the knowledge of Salvation and practices sin can inherit the Kingdom of God.
The word Clearly estates, that those who have sex of the same gender, or drunks or liars or thieves or adulterers or fornicators shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God, Homosexuality is not a special sin, so all sinners who come to the knowledge of salvation through faith in The Messiah and by the atonement of his blood is forgiven, no matter what they did before, there is no distinction of persons for God, he wants all men to repent"

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Re: Homosexuality and Salvation
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2010, 10:35:02 PM »
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Nobody, in my opinion, who made true commitment to follow Jesus and walked with Him for some time, is capable of staying in habitual sin.

Do you still sin? If you sin once a week, or once a day, or one a year, is it not a habit? This "cannot habitually sin" doctrine is a lie. You sin everyday, and if that is not practicing sin, I don't know what is.

You are not saved by making a committment to follow Jesus. You are saved by accepting His righteousness by grace through faith. You see, making a commitment to follow Jesus is a work that man tries to do. God's free grace requires no work, but for you to believe that what He has said is true.

When you are saved, you are made the righteousness of God in Christ. If you sin, you sin as a saint, and like the verse you posted says - if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous. (1 John 2:1-2)

So to answer your question, yes, a homosexual can be saved - however, they will not be saved unless they first recognize that they are sinners, just like everyone else (this is repentance), and then come to Christ. Will they change? Yes, but it may not be immediate, and it may take a long time for them to fail over and over again before they come to a place where they see they have no strength and must rely on God's strength.
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Re: Homosexuality and Salvation
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2010, 12:20:25 AM »
If a person who has same sex attraction and stays away from it, and is a Christian, then yes he is surely saved.

I suppose the same applies to a hetrosexual couple who are having sex but arent married. Are they saved even if they know that they shouldnt be doing it? I know people in this position who know that it is wrong but do it anyway. No different surely from the gay couple?

Great point. I agree. I know many who are dating and being intimate. So homosexuality is no worse or no better in God's eyes from this standpoint. Thank you for bringing that up.
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2010, 12:27:59 AM »
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Nobody, in my opinion, who made true commitment to follow Jesus and walked with Him for some time, is capable of staying in habitual sin.

Do you still sin? If you sin once a week, or once a day, or one a year, is it not a habit? This "cannot habitually sin" doctrine is a lie. You sin everyday, and if that is not practicing sin, I don't know what is.

You are not saved by making a committment to follow Jesus. You are saved by accepting His righteousness by grace through faith. You see, making a commitment to follow Jesus is a work that man tries to do. God's free grace requires no work, but for you to believe that what He has said is true.

When you are saved, you are made the righteousness of God in Christ. If you sin, you sin as a saint, and like the verse you posted says - if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous. (1 John 2:1-2)

So to answer your question, yes, a homosexual can be saved - however, they will not be saved unless they first recognize that they are sinners, just like everyone else (this is repentance), and then come to Christ. Will they change? Yes, but it may not be immediate, and it may take a long time for them to fail over and over again before they come to a place where they see they have no strength and must rely on God's strength.

Thank you for expanding on that Lukasaurus. I'm glad that you brought more complex and clarifying point of view on my phrasing "commitment to follow Jesus".
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Re: Homosexuality and Salvation
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2010, 12:30:38 AM »
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Nobody, in my opinion, who made true commitment to follow Jesus and walked with Him for some time, is capable of staying in habitual sin.

Do you still sin? If you sin once a week, or once a day, or one a year, is it not a habit? This "cannot habitually sin" doctrine is a lie. You sin everyday, and if that is not practicing sin, I don't know what is.

You are not saved by making a committment to follow Jesus. You are saved by accepting His righteousness by grace through faith. You see, making a commitment to follow Jesus is a work that man tries to do. God's free grace requires no work, but for you to believe that what He has said is true.

When you are saved, you are made the righteousness of God in Christ. If you sin, you sin as a saint, and like the verse you posted says - if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous. (1 John 2:1-2)

So to answer your question, yes, a homosexual can be saved - however, they will not be saved unless they first recognize that they are sinners, just like everyone else (this is repentance), and then come to Christ. Will they change? Yes, but it may not be immediate, and it may take a long time for them to fail over and over again before they come to a place where they see they have no strength and must rely on God's strength.

Thank you for expanding on that Lukasaurus. I'm glad that you brought more complex and clarifying point of view on my phrasing "commitment to follow Jesus".
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2010, 01:02:47 AM »
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Nobody, in my opinion, who made true commitment to follow Jesus and walked with Him for some time, is capable of staying in habitual sin.

Do you still sin? If you sin once a week, or once a day, or one a year, is it not a habit? This "cannot habitually sin" doctrine is a lie. You sin everyday, and if that is not practicing sin, I don't know what is.

You are not saved by making a committment to follow Jesus. You are saved by accepting His righteousness by grace through faith. You see, making a commitment to follow Jesus is a work that man tries to do. God's free grace requires no work, but for you to believe that what He has said is true.

When you are saved, you are made the righteousness of God in Christ. If you sin, you sin as a saint, and like the verse you posted says - if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous. (1 John 2:1-2)

So to answer your question, yes, a homosexual can be saved - however, they will not be saved unless they first recognize that they are sinners, just like everyone else (this is repentance), and then come to Christ. Will they change? Yes, but it may not be immediate, and it may take a long time for them to fail over and over again before they come to a place where they see they have no strength and must rely on God's strength.


Luka....thank you for this!!!!!!!  When an alcoholic gets saved do we expect them to get over it quick?? Also, we have to remember that homosexuality has deep roots and will most likely need much more time and healing...also, because we live in a fallen world, which has affected everything, there are many anomalies that people are born with. People are born with both reproductive organs, NO reproductive organs, both chromosomes, or the chromosomes of the opposite sex...WE have to realize, more then anything, that without Christ we can do nothing...therefore, we cannot expect people to change BEFORE coming to Christ...or even after, until they mature some and are able to let go of it...until they have learned to trust God for more and more things.

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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2010, 01:50:36 AM »
Greetings Brothers in The Name of Our Lord may you have Peace.

Homosexuality in the Word, whether it be in the Torah or the New Covenant is treated as a sin and no one who has the knowledge of Salvation and practices sin can inherit the Kingdom of God.
The word Clearly estates, that those who have sex of the same gender, or drunks or liars or thieves or adulterers or fornicators shall inherit the kingdom of God, Homosexuality is not a special sin, so all simmers who come to the knowledge of salvation through faith in The Messiah and by the atonement of his blood is forgiven, no matter what they did before, there is no distinction of persons for God, he wants all men to repent"

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Exactly right ...if you do'nt hate the sin which you once loved ..you are not saved

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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2010, 02:15:49 AM »
Greetings Brothers in The Name of Our Lord may you have Peace.

Homosexuality in the Word, whether it be in the Torah or the New Covenant is treated as a sin and no one who has the knowledge of Salvation and practices sin can inherit the Kingdom of God.
The word Clearly estates, that those who have sex of the same gender, or drunks or liars or thieves or adulterers or fornicators shall inherit the kingdom of God, Homosexuality is not a special sin, so all simmers who come to the knowledge of salvation through faith in The Messiah and by the atonement of his blood is forgiven, no matter what they did before, there is no distinction of persons for God, he wants all men to repent"

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Exactly right ...if you do'nt hate the sin which you once loved ..you are not saved

Yup, Paul said as much: "No greedy, immoral, impure person will inherit the kingdom of God."
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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2010, 06:35:18 AM »
The word Clearly estates, that those who have sex of the same gender, or drunks or liars or thieves or adulterers or fornicators shall inherit the kingdom of God  (see ( Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 10:38:31 PM ) above )


That is a terrible lie and should not be allowed to stand as written. The bible no where ever says such but   what it does say it just the opposite.

The truth of what the bible says is "The word Clearly estates, that those who have sex of the same gender, or drunks or liars or thieves or adulterers or fornicators shall not inherit the kingdom of God "
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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2010, 06:45:53 AM »
The word Clearly estates, that those who have sex of the same gender, or drunks or liars or thieves or adulterers or fornicators shall inherit the kingdom of God  (see ( Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 10:38:31 PM ) above )


That is a terrible lie and should not be allowed to stand as written. The bible no where ever says such but   what it does say it just the opposite.

The truth of what the bible says is "The word Clearly estates, that those who have sex of the same gender, or drunks or liars or thieves or adulterers or fornicators shall not inherit the kingdom of God "

And how many bulletins have you proofread lately? rofl
I didn't even catch it...till you pointed it out.
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   GOD does not want us to hate.  Do you realize if we hated sin we would hate just
   everything in our lives.  We sin everyday in some way or another.  There is no such
   thing as good sins and bad sins.  No such thing as big sins and little sins.
   JESUS did not say I will love you but only if you do not do this or that sin..
   JESUS said I love you and I forgive you.  God said your salvation comes by
   faith and not by your actions or your inaction.The day that we leave this world
   and enter heaven is the day we will no longer sin.
   Thank  you JESUS for loving me guiding me protecting me saving me, a sinner.  Amen. ::prayinghard::
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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2010, 07:20:48 AM »
If I am an adulterer, I must repent from that. If I am a teenager engaging in pre-marital sex, I must repent fromt that. So it is with any sin. Does repentence mean we are not tempted? No. Does it mean we live perfectly? No. Does it mean we have Godly sorrow for the things that separate us from God and cause us to want to turn from those things? Yes.
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1.  be sorry: to recognize the wrong in something you have done and be sorry about it 
2.  change ways: to feel regret about a sin or past actions and change your ways or habits 

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