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House Meetings Are Increasing - Why?
« on: Tue Aug 10, 2021 - 13:17:32 »
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BUFF SCOTT, JR.
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House Meetings Are Increasing
WHY?

    If my observations are of any value, more and more disillusioned believers are suspending “going to church” and switching to house meetings instead. Their reasons vary, but it is safe to say most of them are tired of being programmed by a solo speaker—professional cleric—who downloads their spiritual food week after week.
 
    I was driven to write a few words about this subject because of a piece that appeared in an issue of Newsweek. Lisa Miller says in “Finding Spirituality at Home,” “Believers mistrust authority and institutional hierarchy.” This, according to her, seems to be the principal reason so many are abandoning the big churches in favor of house meetings—commonly called “house churches,” a term I dislike. And some of the big churches are hurting. Their deepest hurt is in their pocketbook!
 
    I agree with Ms. Miller’s diagnosis that it is mainly because of mistrust of authority and institutional hierarchy that so many are walking away from institutional religion and the big churches. There are other reasons as well.
 
    1] Believers are sick of meaningless liturgy—stand, sit, bow, sing, contribute. These rituals, rites, and formalities appear to be totally empty of any coherent and edifying message, thus they breed disheartened believers. Believers long for a family-like atmosphere where everyone is free and encouraged to verbalize, share, mutually participate, and where no one is dressed up like he’s on his way to a Halloween party—such as the clerics who wear their shirts backwards and dress up in colorful religious garb.
 
    2] Believers are finally recognizing that once they formally “place their membership” with a church or denomination, they get caught up in all of their monetary projects and programs. Many have begun to realize that the Christian community has moved from compassion to project. As a result, she has lost her anchor.
 
    3] Many believers who are walking away from established churches are aware that Satan is shouting “Hallelujah” when at least 85-percent of church contributions is squandered on materialistic projects and programs and only 15-percent go to support evangelism and to alleviate the needs of the destitute. These were the only two undertakings the early believers contributed their money to—evangelism and alleviating the poverty of the destitute.
 
    4] Believers are also becoming more aware that “church conversion,” as opposed to heart conversion, is not the way of salvation. Religion and church have polluted the stream flowing from the river of life. On a personal note, I ceased long ago trying to convert anyone to any of the modern-day religions or to any of the numerous sects. I now point them in the direction of Jesus only, because 2000 years ago there were no church factions for believers to join. They identified themselves with other believers of a common cause, thus forming Christian congregations or communities. None of the early believers were afflicted with “mad church disease.” And none were church addicts.
 
    5] As the apostles and first believers were not Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Mormons, Catholics, or associated with any of the other sects that sprinkle our current partisan landscape, recovering church addicts are also free of these schisms. These religious parties did not exist in the apostles’ time. Therefore, recovering church addicts will not be formally aligned with any of these except to work within for reform.
 
    If Jesus were on earth in the flesh today, I’m confident He would view our present-day religious institutions as He viewed those of His time. He worked among partisan systems for reform while not joining any of them. And so it is with recovering church addicts—work within and among partisan groups, whenever possible, without subscribing to any of them.
 
    May house meetings increase! And may the systems that have enslaved believers for centuries decrease and finally self-abort. And to God be the glory.
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« Reply #1 on: Tue Aug 10, 2021 - 13:25:39 »
Viva La División!  ::tippinghat::

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« Reply #2 on: Tue Aug 10, 2021 - 13:40:13 »

Texas Conservative:

"Viva La División!"

Same old divisive bull dung. Aren't you getting tired?

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« Reply #3 on: Tue Aug 10, 2021 - 14:06:01 »
Texas Conservative:

"Viva La División!"

Same old divisive bull dung. Aren't you getting tired?

Buff


Yes, I am getting tired of the same old divisive bull dung in these articles. 

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« Reply #4 on: Tue Aug 10, 2021 - 16:39:53 »
REFORMATION RUMBLINGS
BUFF SCOTT, JR.
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House Meetings Are Increasing
WHY?

    If my observations are of any value, more and more disillusioned believers are suspending “going to church” and switching to house meetings instead. Their reasons vary...


House meetings are increasing, but not typical house meetings. I know many people who are streaming live church services in their homes instead of going to a meeting place - and they're doing this just as a family unit - not gathering with others in the home. COVID, lockdowns, and personal fear has driven this new form of at-home worship. My own parents are doing this now and have been ever since the pandemic started. They weren't tired of "meaningless liturgy" etc, they just didn't want to catch COVID. They watch (and participate in) the live stream services where my little sister attends. I know many others who are doing the same.
The few left in their congregation who still attend a formal worship service at the church building appear to be dying off from COVID. (Very elderly congregation) Two members died in the first wave that went through their church, and now the second wave is going through and two more members are now on the vent at a local hospital. No wonder my parents are afraid to go back.

One final thought -
When I was a young girl, various denominations - including my own - thought it was a sin to televise any worship service. My, my how times have changed.








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« Reply #5 on: Tue Aug 10, 2021 - 17:25:28 »
Until the house meeting gets so big that people are being turned away, then some smart person has a revelation; "we should just rent a building that can accommodate everyone".

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House Meetings Are Increasing - WHY?
Because "the clergy" looks a lot more like "the Pharisees" than "the Apostles."

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« Reply #7 on: Tue Aug 10, 2021 - 20:58:42 »

One final thought -
When I was a young girl, various denominations - including my own - thought it was a sin to televise any worship service. My, my how times have changed.

And changed in my own church who never would have served communion outside of church. (Not even to shut-ins or the dying)

But this year, with the never ending covid, they do communion services, monthly
during their interactive streaming through Facebook. ( I cannot watch as I am blocked from Facebook) (But actually can on the Chromebook that never had Facebook by me..
shush, don't let FB know.)

The elements are picked up at the church office.

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« Reply #8 on: Tue Aug 10, 2021 - 21:08:01 »
And changed in my own church who never would have served communion outside of church. (Not even to shut-ins or the dying)

But this year, with the never ending covid, they do communion services, monthly
during their interactive streaming through Facebook. ( I cannot watch as I am blocked from Facebook) (But actually can on the Chromebook that never had Facebook by me..
shush, don't let FB know.)

The elements are picked up at the church office.
That's a bad change.

There's a reason it's called "communion."

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« Reply #9 on: Tue Aug 10, 2021 - 21:46:52 »
Texas Conservative:

"Yes, I am getting tired of the same old divisive bull dung in these articles."

    Change your divisive, negative attitude about what others believe and write and you just might find another person in yourself, receptive and pleasant. But I will not make a wager on it.

    Your negative attitude and responses add absolutely nothing constructive to what I and others write. Your middle name should be "Texas Downsize."

Buff
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« Reply #10 on: Tue Aug 10, 2021 - 21:57:55 »

mommydi:

"House meetings are increasing, but not typical house meetings."

    The ones I know about and been acquainted with are very much "typical house meetings." Due to the Virus, some of them have decreased in size, however. I appreciate your other remarks.

Blessings,

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« Reply #11 on: Tue Aug 10, 2021 - 22:15:16 »

Alan:

    "Until the house meeting gets so big that people are being turned away, then some smart person has a revelation; 'we should just rent a building that can accommodate everyone.' "

    If and when your dream comes true, it would be good and acceptable to rent a building to accommodate everyone for their weekly assembly. That would be far more acceptable than spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on an idol for "worship services," whatever that is.

    In fact, I have known a few cases when a building was rented. On one occasion in Iowa, we met in a barn on a large farm and loved every moment of it. The temporary environment was just as holy as the "church edifice," perhaps even more so.

Kindly,

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« Reply #12 on: Tue Aug 10, 2021 - 23:04:15 »
Mainstream media, politics, science, and religion, are ever increasingly tuning into the same narratives. The deceived will increasingly align themselves with said narratives, while the Holy Spirit enlightened will turn away from the same.

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« Reply #13 on: Wed Aug 11, 2021 - 03:24:03 »
   If my observations are of any value, more and more disillusioned believers are suspending “going to church” and switching to house meetings instead. Their reasons vary, but it is safe to say most of them are tired of being programmed by a solo speaker—professional cleric—who downloads their spiritual food week after week.
Buff, your RUMBLINGS is much like the holler from the Choir Loft~ I'm sure you have read some of his posts....the old saying fits both of you... "empty barrels make the most noise" BECAUSE they are EMPTY! You cannot, nor should you judge all by what some do~There are men out there who seek God for their truths, yet may error in some critical points where some believers do not feel it is God's will for them to be among them~I'm speaking mainly from my own experience. All who meet in a building to fellowship, hear the word of God may not be as you show them to be. Not all home meetings are of God, so it is impossible to throw either side out with the dirty bath water, or both sides, or to cling toward either side~let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. I left organized religion many years ago, (back in the seventies) but have tried a few places here and there over the years, only to resort back to where I'm now, but my lot is NOT the next person calling and to believe it is, is to show pride for your position/understanding of the truth.
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If my observations are of any value, more and more disillusioned believers are suspending “going to church” and switching to house meetings instead. Their reasons vary, but it is safe to say most of them are tired of being programmed by a solo speaker—professional cleric—who downloads their spiritual food week after week.
You cannot, nor should you judge all by what some do~There are men out there who seek God for their truths, yet may error in some critical points where some believers do not feel it is God's will for them to be among them~I'm speaking mainly from my own experience. All who meet in a building to fellowship, hear the word of God may not be as you show them to be. Not all home meetings are of God, so it is impossible to throw either side out with the dirty bath water, or both sides, or to cling toward either side~let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. I left organized religion many years ago, (back in the seventies) but have tried a few places here and there over the years, only to resort back to where I'm now, but my lot is NOT the next person's calling and to believe it is, is to show pride for your position/understanding of the truth.
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Believers are sick of meaningless liturgy—stand, sit, bow, sing, contribute.
Well now, you have the same in-home services, and maybe even a little more in other areas.
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Believers are also becoming more aware that “church conversion,” as opposed to heart conversion, is not the way of salvation. Religion and church have polluted the stream flowing from the river of life. On a personal note, I ceased long ago trying to convert anyone to any of the modern-day religions or to any of the numerous sects. I now point them in the direction of Jesus only, because 2000 years ago there were no church factions for believers to join. They identified themselves with other believers of a common cause, thus forming Christian congregations or communities. None of the early believers were afflicted with “mad church disease.” And none were church addicts.
Buff, your understanding of regeneration is no different when overall consider than most in religion, your gospel is their gospel, their gospel is your gospel~I know, I know both you that are without and them that are within...... very similar.....Yes, I have contended with you and them.  You both have mad "religion" disease!
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Jesus were on earth in the flesh today, I’m confident He would view our present-day religious institutions as He viewed those of His time. He worked among partisan systems for reform while not joining any of them. And so it is with recovering church addicts—work within and among partisan groups, whenever possible, without subscribing to any of them..
Jesus never attempted to reform the religion of his day~he preached the word of God and that within itself will separate you from folks who just want the religion in name only, yet who do not the love of the truth in their hearts~ these and these only are the very ones The Father seeks to worship him.
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« Reply #14 on: Wed Aug 11, 2021 - 22:13:25 »
Amo:

    "Mainstream media, politics, science, and religion, are ever increasingly tuning into the same narratives. The deceived will increasingly align themselves with said narratives, while the Holy Spirit enlightened will turn away from the same."

Amo, thanks for your insight on this matter. Take care.

Kindly,

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« Reply #15 on: Wed Aug 11, 2021 - 22:27:36 »

RB:

    You are a professional at distorting the substance and meaning of what other scribes say. It seems, at least from my perspective, that nothing said by others pleases you, for you persist in twisting what others teach. Your "manuscript" above is a prime example of where I'm coming from.

    Is this one of the symptoms of Calvinism? I'm convinced it is. Please give some serious thought to praying about it and we will pray for you. "The prayers of a righteous man avails much."

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« Reply #16 on: Thu Aug 12, 2021 - 05:21:47 »
it would be good and acceptable to rent a building to accommodate everyone for their weekly assembly. That would be far more acceptable than spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on an idol for "worship services," whatever that is.
You really think renting is less expensive than owning in the long run?  Silly man!

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« Reply #17 on: Thu Aug 12, 2021 - 12:29:23 »
Far more acceptable to rent an "idol" than own an "idol?"  The lack of logical thinking is astounding.  One is good and acceptable, but the other is not?   Asinine.   rofl

Since we already have the One Cup CofC, and the No Kitchen CofC, perhaps now we need the Only Rent Christians Only group. 

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« Reply #18 on: Thu Aug 12, 2021 - 23:02:23 »

"Texas Downsize":

    The Chief Judge in GraceCentered's Supreme Court has spoken! "Let it be written." However, there is one problem. His edicts and wild-runs conflict with reality.

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« Reply #19 on: Fri Aug 13, 2021 - 04:25:07 »


    The Chief Judge in GraceCentered's Supreme Court has spoken! "Let it be written." However, there is one problem. His edicts and wild-runs conflict with reality.

Buff

To be a Chief Judge~one got to be smart. He definitely got a great sense of humor~I think he's a great choice to be the Chief Judge.

If it is true reality is the way things actually are, not the way you might want them to be~then I would say the Judge "TC" is spot on.

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« Reply #20 on: Fri Aug 13, 2021 - 08:24:26 »
"Texas Downsize":

    The Chief Judge in GraceCentered's Supreme Court has spoken! "Let it be written." However, there is one problem. His edicts and wild-runs conflict with reality.

Buff


I attack your ideas.  You attack me.  Very telling.

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« Reply #21 on: Fri Aug 13, 2021 - 09:03:11 »
Texas "Downsize":

"I attack your ideas.  You attack me.  Very telling.

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« Reply #22 on: Fri Aug 13, 2021 - 09:10:53 »
It is a standard modus operandi that most people here have seen in these "Rumblings."

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« Reply #23 on: Fri Aug 13, 2021 - 22:32:10 »
Texas Conservative:

"It is a standard modus operandi that most people here have seen in these 'Rumblings.' "

    I hear you, "Chief Justice." As of now, I'm backing off from your divisive ramblings and rumblings until you can supply ideas and sentiments that are productive and uplifting, as opposed to your rippings and tearings

    I no longer wish to be part of the discordant behaviors you advocate and practice. So long for the time being.

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