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How can Jesus Christ be God?
« on: Sun Apr 15, 2018 - 04:36:53 »
In Genesis 1:26, “God said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness.” This shows that man has a similar image or likeness to God. What is it? I’d like you to think about yourself for a moment. You are one man, with three parts.

1) You have a body which gives you world consciousness through your five senses. Your body is 100% human. It allows you to interact with the physical universe.

2) You have a soul made up of your mind, emotions and will, also known as your personality. This gives you self consciousness. It is 100% human.

3) You have a spirit which gives you God consciousness making you think that there is a God. It is your “God detector.” It is also 100% human.

So you are one man with three parts. You are a trinity, meaning three in one. (1 Thess. 5:23).

We can represent God in a similar manner with 3 circles. Islam, the Quran, Christianity and the Bible all believe in one God. In Matthew 28:19, Jesus teaches that there is only one true God by the singular word name, not names, “baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost”. The one true God has three parts known as the Father, the HUIOS Son and the Holy Spirit.

1) As we have a spirit that is 100% human, so God has a Spirit called the Holy Spirit, who is 100% God.

2) As we have a body that is 100% human that interacts with the physical universe, so God has something like a body through which He interacts with the physical universe, called the Son who is 100% God. It was God the Huios Son that spoke and appeared to Adam, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Solomon, Isaiah and who was conceived into Mary as Jesus Christ. Before His conception, the Huios Son was only 100% God, but after His conception He was both 100% God and 100% man. It is like you having both an Iranian passport and an Australian passport. This makes you 100% Iranian and 100% Australian.

3) As you have a soul which is 100% human that tells your body what to do, so God has something like a soul called God the Father who tells the Huios Son what to do, such as to be conceived in Mary. Therefore, as you are one man with a spirit, soul and body, each being 100% human, so there is one true God made up of the Father, the Huios Son, and the Holy Spirit, each part being 100% God. As you are a trinity, so God is the Trinity, made up of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. This is in Proverbs 30:4; Psalm 2:12; Isaiah 9:6; 48:12,13,16; Daniel 3:25; Micah 5:2; Exodus 3:3-15; (24:9-18); John 8:58,59,24.

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Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
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As we have a body that is 100% human that interacts with the physical universe, so God has something like a body through which He interacts with the physical universe, called the Son who is 100% God.


It was God the Huios Son  that spoke and appeared to Adam, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Solomon, Isaiah and who was conceived into Mary as Jesus Christ.

Before His conception, the Huios Son was only 100% God, but after His conception He was both 100% God and 100% man. It is like you having both an Iranian passport and an Australian passport. This makes you 100% Iranian and 100% Australian[/size].[/color][/quote]

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« Reply #2 on: Sun Apr 15, 2018 - 09:35:33 »
In Genesis 1:26, “God said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness.” This shows that man has a similar image or likeness to God. What is it?

I believe the "image" of Genesis 1 that we were created in must refer to our spiritual makeup, not anything about our physical bodies. I guess one way to describe what it means to be made in the image of God is to ask what are some things that makes mankind different from all other life on the planet?

We have certain characteristics and capacities that separate us from the animal kingdom. For example, we have the same full range of emotions that we see in God (love, hate, sorrow, joy, jealousy, etc.). We can decide on an action, and then repent and do something else instead. We can execute justice and mercy. We have the capacity to contemplate our origin and react, whether positively or negatively, to the evidence around us concerning our Creator.

We have a moral conscience, freedom of choice, the capacity to be very creative (as seen in our art and literature), an eternal nature (physical death is not the end of us), as well as other spiritual aspects that separate us from the rest of the creatures.

In James 3:9 we are told how hypocritical it is to bless God and at the same time curse man who is made in His likeness. We all share a commonality based on how God created us that should dictate how we treat each other. Because of the fact the we are all created in God's image we should exercise a certain respect for our fellow man and seek for his good.

In Genesis 1:26-28 there seems to be a strong connection to the fact that we are made in God's image and the fact that we are to rule over the rest of His creation on this earth. Perhaps being made in His image includes the responsibility to exercise rule on the earth as His representatives.

Most importantly, I would say that we were made specifically to have a personal relationship with God and to glorify Him through that relationship. Everything we do and say should reflect the image of God in which we were made and also the relationship we have with Him.

Jesus is our example of the One who lived His life in that way. He reflected perfectly the image of God and the relationship we all should have with God.
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« Reply #3 on: Sun Apr 15, 2018 - 09:40:49 »
I AGREE WITH THAT..

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In Genesis 1:26, “God said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness.” This shows that man has a similar image or likeness to God. What is it? I’d like you to think about yourself for a moment. You are one man, with three parts.

After the instrumental idolatry at Mount Sinai and God sentenced the Israelites to capbivity and death in Babylon, Moses wrote an INVERTED version to WARN the now "turned over to worship the starry host" people about the GODS or ELOHIM who created mankind out of mud or dust and the blood of an evil "god" to WORK FOR THE GODS.

Gen. 1:26 And God [ELOHIM] said, Let US make man in our image, after our likeness: and let THEM have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

h6754. tselem, tseh´-lem; from an unused root meaning to shade; a phantom, i.e. (figuratively) illusion, resemblance; hence, a representative figure, especially an idol:—image, vain shew. sĭmĭlĭtūdo  Imitation Analogy, application to similar cases

DOMINION is h7287.   radah, raw-daw´; a primitive root; to tread down, i.e. subjugate; specifically, to crumble off:—(come to, make to) have dominion, prevail against, reign, (bear, make to) rule,(-r, over), take.

HOWEVER:

In Genesis 2:2 God RESTED on the seventh day from the work He MADE.

NOTICE THE SECOND ACCOUNT BY THE LORD (YHWH) GOD AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD (ELOHIM.]

Don't Mormons teach that Jesus WAS flesh and blood as the GOD of THIS earth as YOU can be the god of YOUR planet--if you can collect enough "secret" polygamous marriages.

Gen. 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man’s BLOOD, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the IMAGE of God made he man.

Luke 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see;
         for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:40 And when he had thus spoken,
        he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luke 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy,
        and wondered, he said unto them,
        Have ye here any meat?

GOD DOESN'T GET HUNGRY.

Psa. 50:10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
Psa. 50:11 I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.
Psa. 50:12 If I were hungry,
        I would not tell thee:
        for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.
Psa. 50:13 Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?
Psa. 50:14 Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High:


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« Reply #4 on: Sun Apr 15, 2018 - 10:26:00 »
yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.  -1Cor. 8:6


Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. -Rev.14:12

Jesus is not God, but is His only begotten Son. 

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. -Jhn.3:16


“And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.  -Jhn.17:3


Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father;
but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.' ”
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« Reply #5 on: Sun Apr 15, 2018 - 10:49:00 »
Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
-Mat.16: 16,17

Immediately he preached the Christ in the synagogues, that He is the Son of God.  -Acts 9:20

"declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. -Rom.1:4

For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us" -2Cor.1:19


Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. -Heb.4:14


Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.- 1Jhn. 4:15

Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? -1Jhn. 5:5

He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son. -1Jhn.5:10

He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. -1Jhn. 5:12

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.-2Jhn.1:9

You have made him a little lower than the angels; You have crowned him with glory and honor, and set him over the works of Your hands. You have put all things in subjection under his feet.
For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him.

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, saying:

"I will declare Your name to My brethren; In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You."
And again: "I will put my trust in Him"
And again:  "Here am I and the children whom God has given Me."
-Hebrews 2:7-13

For every high priest taken from among men is appointed for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins.
He can have compassion on those who are ignorant and going astray, since he himself is also subject to weakness. Because of this he is required as for the people, so also for himself, to offer sacrifices for sins.
And no man takes this honor to himself, but he who is called by God, just as Aaron was.

So also Christ did not glorify Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him: "You are My Son, Today I have begotten You." As He also says in another place: "You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek';
who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear, though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered.

And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, called by God as High Priest "according to the order of Melchizedek," of whom we have much to say, and hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.

For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
-Hebrews 5:1-11


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« Reply #6 on: Sun Apr 15, 2018 - 15:30:15 »
In Genesis 1:26, “God said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness.” This shows that man has a similar image or likeness to God. What is it? .
Understanding what the new man or the inward man consist of will tell us what it means that man was created in God's image, an image that Adam lost when he sinned.
Quote from: Paul
Ephesians 4:22-24~"That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
So righteousness and holiness is part of God's image, but there is more:
Quote from: Paul
Colossians 3:10~"And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him."
True knowledge is also part of God's image in which Adam was created in~along with true wisdom and true understanding, of which Adam lost when he sinned~all of which the new man is created after God's image, an image which can never again be lost again because it was secured for us BY JESUS CHRIST, who is the EXPRESS image of God himself.   
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« Reply #7 on: Sun Apr 15, 2018 - 23:11:59 »
Actually, it is not accurate to say that the Father, Son, and HS are three parts of God.  Jesus is not 1/3 of God, for example.  Nor are the three different modes of the One God -- Jesus is not the Father just serving a different mission.


Rather there is one God, one essense, in three persons.  It is rather like space has the three dimensions of length, width and height.  None of them is the other, yet take away any of the three and space would not exist.

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« Reply #8 on: Mon Apr 16, 2018 - 07:33:50 »
Actually, it is not accurate to say that the Father, Son, and HS are three parts of God.  Jesus is not 1/3 of God, for example.  Nor are the three different modes of the One God -- Jesus is not the Father just serving a different mission.


Rather there is one God, one essense, in three persons.  It is rather like space has the three dimensions of length, width and height.  None of them is the other, yet take away any of the three and space would not exist.


So do they possess different functions in their distinct characteristic? Can one not know the thoughts of the other at a given moment in time?


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« Reply #9 on: Mon Apr 16, 2018 - 07:59:09 »
Well, if it's one person with three essences, or three persons in one essence, I would say the latter makes more sense.

But then, this is just our attempts at trying to pin down the nature of a being so far above and beyond our comprehension. Has anybody ever read Flatland by Edwin Abbott? That's what it's about.

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« Reply #10 on: Mon Apr 16, 2018 - 11:50:40 »
Understanding what the new man or the inward man consist of will tell us what it means that man was created in God's image, an image that Adam lost when he sinned.
The Bible never says that Adam lost God's image when he sinned.

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« Reply #11 on: Mon Apr 16, 2018 - 14:15:50 »
Because God is our HEAVENLY FATHER and we are SONS or children. The inventors of the TRIAS concept taught that Father, Son and Spirit are the nature of God: God originates, God Breathes, the Son Speaks as WORD made flesh.

John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

While we can never understand the infinite nature of the RULER of he Largest to the Smallest of the universe, For the purposes of the Kingdom of Christ, Jesus has all of the Authority and visible-auddible manifestation of God Who is defined in ways that we can grasp, This is the ANTITHESIS of the CATHOLIC or Babylonian Father, Mother (Spirit) and infant son.

Among other things GOD IS WORD.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?
        he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
        the WORDS that I SPEAK unto you I speak not of myself:
        but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:11 Believe me that I am IN the Father, and the Father IN me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.

Those who keep God's commandments dwell IN or abide WITH the Father Son.  In the same sense and condition that the Father-Son dwell in US.

In a limited-for-our understanding God is WORD which Jesus says is SPIRIT. God is LIGHT, LIFE and other ways that we can understand.

Those who are IN CHRIST will someday see GOD Who is SPIRIT and says Jesus, "Does not have flesh and bones as ye se ME have.

God's INFINITE to INFINITESSIMAL nature cannot be KNOWN and therefore Jesus gives us ALL that we can handle with out very limited brain cells.

It is dangerous to IMAGE or make an IDOL out of God

John Marks Hicks of LU, Agreeing with Mormons and the World Wide Church of god, describes the revival of social trinitarianism as “one of the most significant developments in contemporary theology.” Along with this revival has come a certain amount of confusion concerning what exactly qualifies as a social model of the trinity.In his lucid treatment of the issue, Cornelius Plantinga sets out the three conditions necessary for a theory to qualify as social and they bear repeating:

    (1) The theory must have Father, Son, and Spirit as DISTINCT CENTERS OF KNOWLEDGE, will, love, and action. Since each of these capacities REQUIRE CONSCIOUSNESS, it follows that, on this sort of theory, Father, Son, and Spirit would be viewed as distinct centers of consciousness or, in short, as PERSONS in some full sense of that term.


Zech. 7:12 Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law,
         and the WORDS which the Lord of hosts hath SENT in HIS SPIRIT by the former prophets:
         therefore came a great wrath from the Lord of hosts.

Why did the Spirit descend upon Jesus to equip Jesus? To Make Him both Lord and Christ:

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
         because he hath anointed [furnish what is needed] me to PREACH the GOSPEL to the poor;
         he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted,
         to preach deliverance to the captives,
         and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

AGAIN, JESUS WARNS US THAT WHATEVER THE ETERNAL NATURE OF GOD-----

Matt. 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.


We will understandstand it better Bye and Bye!  For now there is ONE resource, the WORD, and two SENDING methods which are READ or SPEAK that which is written for our learning.  Maybe understanding that as He Says God is not a MAN nor the SON of Man and grasping the infinite shouldn't try to be SOLD.

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« Reply #12 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 04:43:09 »
I believe the "image" of Genesis 1 that we were created in must refer to our spiritual makeup, not anything about our physical bodies.

I agree.


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« Reply #13 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 04:44:58 »
It was God the Huios Son  that spoke and appeared to Adam, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Solomon, Isaiah and who was conceived into Mary as Jesus Christ.

Before His conception, the Huios Son was only 100% God, but after His conception He was both 100% God and 100% man. It is like you having both an Iranian passport and an Australian passport. This makes you 100% Iranian and 100% Australian[/size].[/color]

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"IF Jesus WAS God?"

What are you talking about?

Jesus IS God.

Also, what translation is that?

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« Reply #14 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 04:47:30 »
yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.  -1Cor. 8:6


Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. -Rev.14:12

Jesus is not God, but is His only begotten Son. 

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. -Jhn.3:16


“And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.  -Jhn.17:3


Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father;
but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.' ”
  -Jhn. 20:17

Of course Jesus, whilst on earth had a God.



Unless you believe that Jesus is the I AM, then you ae going to hell, my friend.

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« Reply #15 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 07:37:57 »
The Bible never says that Adam lost God's image when he sinned.
4WD, If you cannot see this to be true in the scriptures~men like Charles Manson should be able to help you to see that we did indeed lose God's image through the spirit of disobedience by being deceived by Satan. The old man Adam does NOT possess God's image, even though he was created AFTER that image. The new man does possess God's image by the creative power of God's Spirit~and THROUGH the new man we now possess TRUE understanding and wisdom to see and know these things. What you need to do is PUT OFF the old man and put on the new man that you have within you, and THEN you should be able to see that this is so.

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« Reply #16 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 08:56:30 »
4WD, If you cannot see this to be true in the scriptures~men like Charles Manson should be able to help you to see that we did indeed lose God's image through the spirit of disobedience by being deceived by Satan. The old man Adam does NOT possess God's image, even though he was created AFTER that image. The new man does possess God's image by the creative power of God's Spirit~and THROUGH the new man we now possess TRUE understanding and wisdom to see and know these things. What you need to do is PUT OFF the old man and put on the new man that you have within you, and THEN you should be able to see that this is so.
RB,
Not only can I not see that to be true in the Scriptures, it is not true in the Scriptures.  Adam's sin was no less "God-like" than was Charles Manson's.

And yes one needs to put off the old man.  That need is not the issue.  The issue is where does our "old man" come from.  You claim that God forms our old man within us.  He doesn't. That is a terrible view.  Not only terrible; it is unbiblical.

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« Reply #17 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 09:08:15 »
Unless you believe that Jesus is the I AM, then you ae going to hell, my friend.

So you say. and you are repeating what you heard men teach, and that is a lie.

But the scriptures say something different, they teach the truth.

Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. - 1Jhn. 4:15

Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? -1Jhn. 5:5


He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son. -1Jhn.5:10

He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. -1Jhn. 5:12

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God.
He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
  -2Jhn.1:9

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Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
« Reply #18 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 11:14:36 »
Kiwi Christian-----  You are correct:

"I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." (John 8:24)

Please note that the word "he" is in italics---the actual translation is "I AM".  If one does not confess Jesus as God after coming to
an understanding then they have missed the salvation message. If we believe Jesus to be anything less than God Himself we do not understand,
and have not received the Gospel message.

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Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
« Reply #19 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 11:36:09 »
Don't follow Red Herrings!



Was Jesus too ignorant to say: "I AM the Lord-God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob"?

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Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
« Reply #20 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 14:00:02 »
Kenneth----

"But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses?
Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death
". (Mark 14: 61-64)

You need to seriously read this passage of Scripture. The Priest isn't asking Jesus if He is a created being. He is asking Jesus if He is the very SON
of THE BLESSED
.  Jesus says I AM. They were condemning Him to death for calling Himself God---don't you understand that?  They had
tried to stone Him before for the very same thing.  They had also stated "only GOD can forgive sins" when Jesus forgave the sins of the crippled
man. Everything Jesus did showed He was Jehovah.  Even the smallest things in Scripture show us this---I will give one example:

In John 6 there is a sentence that appears to have little significance. It is when Jesus feeds the 5 thousand. Go to John 6 and read it yourself.  It says
"now there was much grass in the place" --and right after this statement it says that Jesus told the disciples to "make the men sit down".
This isn't in John 6 by chance. For all we have to do is go to Psalm 23 where we read:

"JEHOVAH is my shepherd I shall not want. HE MAKES ME TO LIE DOWN IN GREEN PASTURES.  And if we can read John 6 carefully we will see
that Jesus is showing Himself to be JEHOVAH by "making" the men to "sit down on the grass".

Do not dishonor Jesus Kenneth.  He is GOD without a doubt.
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Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
« Reply #21 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 14:17:07 »
How can Jesus Christ be God?

Short answer; because the Bible tells me so. ::reading::

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Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
« Reply #22 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 14:59:14 »
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You need to seriously read this passage of Scripture. The Priest isn't asking Jesus if He is a created being. He is asking Jesus if He is the very SON of THE BLESSED.  Jesus says I AM. They were condemning Him to death for calling Himself God---don't you understand that? 

No one doubts that Jesus was the Son of God: God declared Him a SON only after He was baptized. Literally Jesus was the seed (SPERM) of David.  Why wasn't Jesus smart enough to say that He was the FATHER?

Rom. 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus CHRIST, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of GOD,
Rom. 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Rom. 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord,
        which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom. 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power,
        according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Mark 14:61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing.
        Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him,
        Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am:
        and ye shall see the Son of MAN
        sitting on the right hand of power,
        and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Do you think that the Glorified Jesus sat on His Right Hand?

Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord [Kurios] had spoken unto them,
             he was received up into heaven,
             and sat on the right hand OF GOD [Theos]

Heb. 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was 
        made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death,
        crowned with glory and honour;
        that he by the grace of God should taste death for every ma

Heb. 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time,
        Sit on MY right hand, UNTIL I make thine enemies thy footstool?

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Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
« Reply #23 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 15:12:16 »
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Let us stay on the topic, sorry for even mentioning this to you. This is for another day.

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Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
« Reply #24 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 15:25:30 »
Jesus first said I AM THE SON OF GOD  The Son cannot be the Father[
Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am:

Then He said

and ye shall see the SON OF MAN sitting on the right hand of POWER, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mark 14:63 Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses?

Num. 23:15 And he said unto Balak, Stand here by thy burnt offering, while I meet the LORD yonder.
Num. 23:16 And the Lord met Balaam, and put a word in his mouth,
        and said, Go again unto Balak, and say thus.
Num. 23:17 And when he came to him,
        behold, he stood by his burnt offering,
        and the princes of Moab with him.
        And Balak said unto him, What hath the Lord spoken?
Num. 23:18 And he took up his parable, and said,
        Rise up, Balak, and hear; hearken unto me, thou son of Zippor:
Num. 23:19 GOD IS NOT A MAN, that he should lie;
        neither the SON OF MAN that he should repent:
        hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

JESUS WAS A MAN AND THE SON OF MAN.  Paul silenced both male and female performers:

1Tim. 2:5 For there is ONE GOD,
        and one mediator BETWEEN God and men,
        the MAN Christ Jesus;

Jesus denies that being the SON OF GOD made himself GOD or even EQUAL to God as the Jews blasphemed:

Matt. 11:27 All things are delivered unto ME OF MY FATHER
         and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father;
         neither knoweth any man the Father, save the SON,
         and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Matt. 12:8 For the SON OF MAN is Lord even of the sabbath day.

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Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
« Reply #25 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 15:48:26 »
Part Three:

Psa. 23:1 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
Psa. 23:2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures:
        he leadeth me beside the still waters.
Psa. 23:3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name’s sake.

As shepherd Jesus REPUDIATES all of the not APT elders or shepherds because He gives them REST and leads them out to LEARN OF MEN.

LORD h3068.   Yhwh; from 1961; (the) self-Existent or Eternal; name of God:—the Lord. Compare 3050, 3069.
Is GOD in Greek.  Jesus was not YHWH or THEOS but KURIOS.

Jesus was LORD which in GREEK is. g2962. kurios, koo´-ree-os; from kuvroß kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, i.e. (as noun) controller; by implication, Master (as a respectful title): — God, Lord, master, Sir.

Mark 6:34 And Jesus, when he came out, saw much people,
        and was moved with compassion toward them,
        because they were as sheep not having a shepherd:
        and he began to TEACH THEM many things. (This is the Absolute inclusive-exclusive PATTERN)
Mark 14:27 And Jesus saith unto them,
        All ye shall be offended because of me this night:
        for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.

4166. poimh/n poimen, poy-mane´; of uncertain affinity; a shepherd (literally or figuratively): — shepherd, pastor.

YOU HAVE PROBABLY NEVER SEEN A LITTLE FLOCK ON THE NARROW ROAD BEING FED AND THUS STARVEDL.

John 21:16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, FEED MY SHEEP
John 21:17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, FEED MY SHEEP

The Pope and the mother church and the daughter churches are thus MARKED FOR AVOIDANCE.

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Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
« Reply #26 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 16:44:36 »
"Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son JUST as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him". (John 5:22,23)

Kenneth---

Jesus is calling himself the SON.  And how are we supposed to honor the SONTHE SAME AS WE HONOR THE FATHER.

Is Jesus stating that He is God?  Yes--he most certainly is. He is the second person of the Trinity.

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Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
« Reply #27 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 17:41:04 »
GOD is the Almighty or Spirit Mind of the UNIVERSE: Jesus is the LORD or Ruler of the Kingdom or Church.
If God GAVE the Son full authority God's TEST is that if you reject His Messiah you reject the SENDER.
That does not make the SENT SON the SENDER GOD.

John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him,
        because he not only had broken the sabbath,
        but said also that God was his Father,
        making himself equal with God
.  [Jesus later says that they BLASPHEME because He is the SON]
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
        The Son can do nothing of himself,
        but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth,
        these also doeth the Son likewise.

John 5:20 For the Father LOVETH the Son,
        and SHEWETH him all things that himself doeth:
        and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
John 5:21 For AS the Father raiseth up the dead,
        and quickeneth them;
        even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man,
        but hath COMMITTED all judgment unto the Son:

THEREFORE:
John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.
         He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you,
        He that heareth my WORD, and believeth on him that SENT ME
        hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation;
        but is passed from death unto life.
John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you,
        The hour is coming, and now is,
        when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son OF God:
        and they that hear shall live.

Songs and Sermons PROVE that almost all reject the WORD as God's INCLUSIVE-EXCLUSIVE Curriculum to teach people to HEAR Jesus.  How can they Hear Jesus whose NAME is the WORD because He speaks ONLY what the Father told him to say.

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself;
        so hath he GIVEN to the Son to have life in himself;
John 5:27 And HATH GIVEN HIM AUTHORITY to execute judgment also,
        BECAUSE he is the SON OF MAN

1Tim. 2:5 For there is ONE GOD,
         and ONE mediator between God and men,
         the man Christ Jesus;

WHEN false preachers say that THE Holy Spirit is GUIDING them to go beyond THE MAN JESUS, in my UNIVERSAL EXPERIENCE has been to PICK MY POCKETS better than Madoff.

The Holy Spirit Comforter has a NAME: Jesus Christ the Righteous.

I believe the TRUMPETS have literally been sounded around the world and the RAPTURED are the RAPED of their spirits. The role of Apollon and the Muses (Locusts) have the task of WINNOWING or separating the wheat from the chaff.  The speakers, singers, instrument players in Revelation 18 are SORCERERS and they WILL BE CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

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Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
« Reply #28 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 18:18:35 »
If is important to grasp that the early Christians were already being attacked and Gnosticism, Hellenism and Judaism--the synagogue of Satan had twisted the Scriptures which existed in letters or gospels.  Several decades later John wrote to correct many false teachings.  In John 20 John certified the statement of doubting Thomas.

THIS HAPPENED AGAIN IN JOHN 10 and

John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you,
        and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s NAME,
        they bear witness of me.
John 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
John 10:27 MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE (Jesus was sent to rescue a small number of Lost Spirits)
        and I know them, and they follow me:

        Acts 2:41 Then they that GLADLY received his WORD were baptized:
                and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
         
        As prophesied and at the right time bands of men launched an assault against those who reared them and PAID them an unauthorized salary.  The BIGGEST assault was against the PATTERN or REGULATIVE principle. This would permit them to do violence and fleece the flock claiming that they had a NEW MESSAGE because CULTURE changed making your godly parents IGNORANT but to be tolerated.  A spirit gives them a vision or audible voice ti remove CHRIST from their public Confession.

Jer. 23:27 Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life;
        and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
John 10:29 My Father, which GAVE THEM ME,
         is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them
         out of my Father’s hand.

Which IS THE meaning of:

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

UNITED or in agreement.

John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
John 10:32 Jesus answered them,
        Many good works have I shewed you FROM my Father;
        for which of those works do ye stone me?
John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying,
        For a good work we stone thee not;
        but for BLASPHEMY; and because that thou, being a MAN, makest thyself GOD.

There are many, many gods (Hebrew Elohim) but only ONE Lord (yhwh) as the only true God (Elohim)

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the FATHER hath SANCTIFIED, and SENT into the WORLD [Ecumenical, kingdom of the Devil)
           Thou BLASPHEMEST ; because I said, I am the SON OF GOD

John 10:37 If I do not the WORKS of MY FATHER believe ME not.
John 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe THE WORKS: that ye may know, and believe,
        that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Are in UNION because the FATHER gives Jesus authority and power.

Jesus was ANXIOUS to get out of JEWRY

John 10:39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
John 10:40 And went away again beyond Jordan into the place
        where John at first baptized; and there he abode.
John 10:41 And many resorted unto him, and said,
        John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.
John 10:42 And many believed on him there.

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Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
« Reply #29 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 19:11:38 »
If is important to grasp that the early Christians were already being attacked and Gnosticism, Hellenism and Judaism--the synagogue of Satan had twisted the Scriptures which existed in letters or gospels.  Several decades later John wrote to correct many false teachings.  In John 20 John certified the statement of doubting Thomas.

THIS HAPPENED AGAIN IN JOHN 10 and

John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you,
        and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s NAME,
        they bear witness of me.
John 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
John 10:27 MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE (Jesus was sent to rescue a small number of Lost Spirits)
        and I know them, and they follow me:

        Acts 2:41 Then they that GLADLY received his WORD were baptized:
                and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
         
        As prophesied and at the right time bands of men launched an assault against those who reared them and PAID them an unauthorized salary.  The BIGGEST assault was against the PATTERN or REGULATIVE principle. This would permit them to do violence and fleece the flock claiming that they had a NEW MESSAGE because CULTURE changed making your godly parents IGNORANT but to be tolerated.  A spirit gives them a vision or audible voice ti remove CHRIST from their public Confession.

Jer. 23:27 Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life;
        and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
John 10:29 My Father, which GAVE THEM ME,
         is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them
         out of my Father’s hand.

Which IS THE meaning of:

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

UNITED or in agreement.

John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
John 10:32 Jesus answered them,
        Many good works have I shewed you FROM my Father;
        for which of those works do ye stone me?
John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying,
        For a good work we stone thee not;
        but for BLASPHEMY; and because that thou, being a MAN, makest thyself GOD.

There are many, many gods (Hebrew Elohim) but only ONE Lord (yhwh) as the only true God (Elohim)

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the FATHER hath SANCTIFIED, and SENT into the WORLD [Ecumenical, kingdom of the Devil)
           Thou BLASPHEMEST ; because I said, I am the SON OF GOD

John 10:37 If I do not the WORKS of MY FATHER believe ME not.
John 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe THE WORKS: that ye may know, and believe,
        that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Are in UNION because the FATHER gives Jesus authority and power.

Jesus was ANXIOUS to get out of JEWRY

John 10:39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
John 10:40 And went away again beyond Jordan into the place
        where John at first baptized; and there he abode.
John 10:41 And many resorted unto him, and said,
        John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.
John 10:42 And many believed on him there.


Way too many errors in your post to address every one.

"UNITED or in agreement."

I and my father, WE are one.

The same SUBSTANCE

"John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the FATHER hath SANCTIFIED, and SENT into the WORLD [Ecumenical, kingdom of the Devil)
           Thou BLASPHEMEST ; because I said, I am the SON OF GOD"

Wrong. "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"

he was asking a question.

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Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
« Reply #30 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 19:12:06 »
How can Jesus Christ be God?

Short answer; because the Bible tells me so. ::reading::

 ::smile:: ::nodding:: ::amen!::

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« Reply #31 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 19:14:23 »
::smile:: ::nodding:: ::amen!::

Amen!

I dont have to understand HOW. I just have to understand what God has said.

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« Reply #32 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 19:34:11 »
quote Kiwi: "I and my father, WE are one.

The same SUBSTANCE"



Wrong.

“I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You.
Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are.
  -Jhn. 17:11

I find it so disturbing that some can ignore so much scripture in favor of their own ideas. Then go in public places and spread lies to others.


There are six things which the LORD hates,
Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,

A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,

A false witness who utters lies,
And one who spreads strife among brothers.
  -Pro. 6:16-19   

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Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
« Reply #33 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 20:00:15 »
quote Kiwi: "I and my father, WE are one.

The same SUBSTANCE"



Wrong.

“I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You.
Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are.
  -Jhn. 17:11

I find it so disturbing that some can ignore so much scripture in favor of their own ideas. Then go in public places and spread lies to others.


There are six things which the LORD hates,
Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,

A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,

A false witness who utters lies,
And one who spreads strife among brothers.
  -Pro. 6:16-19

BTR, the Bible is clear that Jesus is God

https://www.gotquestions.org/is-Jesus-God.html

John 10:30,
John 8:58
John 20:28
2 Peter 1:1


Just too many to post really. I hope you will read them and consider the truth of what the Scriptures tell us of Christ

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Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
« Reply #34 on: Tue Apr 17, 2018 - 20:22:07 »
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BTR, the Bible is clear that Jesus is God 2 Peter 1:1

2Pet. 1:1  Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ,
       to them that have obtained like precious faith with us
       through the righteousness of God
       AND our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2Pet. 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you
       through the knowledge of God,  [Theos]
       AND of Jesus our Lord, [Kurios]


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