RB« Reply #245 on: Mon Jun 04, 2018 - 05:02:10
Quote from: Truthcomber Yesterday at 20:48:52
1. Jesus said that ONLY His Father knew the day of the second coming, not the Son (Mark 13:32). What about the Spirit? Apparently he does not know because only the Father knows. Are there things that the Father knows that the Spirit does not? If so, in what sense can the persons of the Trinity be co-equal, and of the same essence?
So simple....God IS a Spirit, the Godhead is ONE, as far as being ONE I AM THAT I AM~eternal both ways. God, who IS a Spirit in His Infinite wisdom and power has revealed Himself as THREE according to each person's work in the redemption of God's elect. God's Son, was conceived IN TIME around two thousand years ago, thereby as the Son of God according to his humanity is NOT equal with God, and does not have Divine power, and infinite wisdom but was made IN ALL POINTS as we are, YET without sin. When Jesus was conceived, the Word which was God, JOINED HIMSELF to the tabernacle of the Son of God
. Thus Jesus was a complex person, fully man, fully God, yet those two natures were ever separated from each other and were never mingled in any actions, word or deed, or even thoughts. Thus we read these words of John:MY Response:
You are right up to the end of the red print. Then you contradict yourself totally—not fully reasonable and fully unreasonable—just fully unreasonable.
God is mind and spirit
, two sides of the same coin. We all have our own minds. This includes God and his son. His son is the image of God, which mankind will be made up of. He is the beginning of a new creation
. Christ is our brother and master. As he is the son of God, we too become the sons of God through him.
Christ’s is fully joined to God through his spirit. God’s mind and Christ’s spirit mind became bonded as one through God's holy spirit. Christ's human mind became bonded with his spirit mind through his human spirit. Thus his human spirit bonded as one with the holy spirit. Eph 4:4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.Matt 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father
, which is in heaven.
23 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ (here on earth).
(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet___; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)Comment
: Christ’s human spirit became fully bonded as one with the holy spirit after his resurrection from the dead and his ascension into heaven. 1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus (anointed) Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world….15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
Meaning of Christ: “the anointed one
,” or “the chosen one.”http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/what-does-christ-mean
Christ came as the son (of God) of man
. His spirit mind in his flesh was born of God. His human spirit in his human mind bonded with the holy spirit as one. He is the
son of God because like the first Adam (son of God), he is the first of the new creation which includes many sons.Red
Quote from: John's confession of WHO and WHAT IS GOD
1st John 1:1-3~That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full."
My Response: https://wwwrealdiscoveriesorg-simon.blogspot.com/2016/11/why-do-trinitarians-use-isaiah-96-to.htmlParallel verse:1 Tim 3:16
(NIV) Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He (Not God:vs. 13
) Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory. appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word (spirit),
and the Word was with God (mind and spirit), and the Word was God. 1 John 1:1
That which was from the beginning…
Comment: The word of God is the spirit of God and is eternal.
2 Cor 5:19
To wit, that God was in
Christ,…John 1:4 In him
was life; and the life was the light of men.
1 John 1:1 “of the Word of life”Comment
: The Word of life was in
the Messiah, the Messiah was not the Word of Life. John 1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.1 John 1:2
… eternal life
, which was with the Father
, and was manifested unto us;)John 14:7
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him
The Messiah was the manifestation of his father who is God to those he has chosen.
The church should follow Christ's example and be the light of the world.
1 John 1:2
… eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)John 14:7
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father
also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 1 John 1:3
… truly our fellowship is with the Father, and
with his Son Jesus Christ.RED
The mystery of godliness~The Word, in the beginning, was manifested and John confess he saw with his eyes, he looked upon him, and his hands handled the Word of life. The ONE God manifested Himself as three according to each work in the redemption of the children of God. The Son in time was God in the beginning as the I AM THAT I AM. My Response:
God through his word or spirit (from his mind) became bonded with the Messiah in his spirit in his mind. The body of the Messiah is bonded with his spirit. Thus the body of the Messiah became the body or temple of God. By the way, so does the church.
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
1 Cor 15:38
(NIV) But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed
he gives its own body.1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed
remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Luke 1:80
And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit
, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel. Comment:
Christ grew in the spirit. The church grew in the spirit. The church and Christ are one temple. Together they are the body of God. The angels are not of the body of Christ. Luke 13:18
Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it? 19 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it.Eph 4:15
But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: . RED
Quote from: Truthcomber Yesterday at 20:48:52
Question #2: How can Jesus be “God” and have a “God” at the same time?
Red: Because he was also A MAN called Jesus of Nazareth. It is called rightly dividing the word of truth~not that difficult if one has the Spirit of God teaching them.
Question #6: If Jesus is God, why did he pray at all?
Answered already~he was the Son OF MAN, as well as the Son OF GOD.My Response:
Yea right. So the Messiah as a man was worshipping and praying to himself as God. Makes a lot of horse sense. Psalm 8:4
What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son (of God) of man, that thou visitest him?
1 John 3:1
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him (Christ) not.
Christ, together with the church is called man and the son of God.
Matthew 5:8~"Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God." 1 John 4:12 (NIV) No one has ever seen God
; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. 1 Tim 6:16
and who lives in unapproachable light
, whom no one has seen or can see
. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/can-we-ever-see-god-or-not
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see (perceive)
from the author:
1. We use the word “see” to mean that we finally understand and discern the beauty and glory of God after being blind to it. Like when we say: Oh, now I see. Our soul is tuned in to the glory so that the glory of God that shines through the gospel is seen as glorious, and we are no longer spiritually blind to it. That is the first way we see him.
“To see God’s glory is to understand and discern the beauty of God after being blind to it.”
2. And the second way is that, in the narrative of the Bible, we see the glory of God and finally we will see him face to face through Christ — by seeing Christ. So, John 1:14, 18 Comment:
We see the perceive the Messiah who is not God.