Don't be shy. I can tell you're holding back. Tell me how you really feel.
Some translations say "through Him" instead of "for Him." I won't make a big deal. If I am understanding what you are implying by your last line, Jesus was not the Creator of Genesis 1, but rather of the "New Creation." If that is the case, I have to disagree. John 1:1-3, along with the Colossian passage and others tell me otherwise.
You still cannot show Jesus to be a created being. Nobody can. That alone makes Him God. Scripture presents no alternatives. He who became Jesus in the flesh is either eternally existing as God or He was created. You're choice.
"You still cannot show Jesus to be a created being. Nobody can. That alone makes Him God. Scripture presents no alternatives. He who became Jesus in the flesh is either eternally existing as God or He was created. You're choice."
I completely agree with you. We've got some Jehovah's Witnesses here in this thread who don't seem to know that they are Jehovah's Witnesses in their beliefs about Jesus Christ. What you believe about Jesus defines whether or not you are a Christian. A Christian can't follow a false Christ.
A claim to believe the Trinity does not make for one having the right belief about Jesus Christ. Jesus is in Genesis. But we have folk here who think that book is allegory. They don't see Jesus involved in Creation. They don't see Jesus in Genesis 3:21. They don't believe that God Himself provided salvation such that mankind would be reconciled back to Him and the curse of original sin would be eliminated. (The curse is/was both spiritual and physical. Jesus has provided victory over spiritual death.) They think they have saved their own souls by their works and their obedience while the Bible teaches that it was by Christ's obedience that mankind was reconciled to God Almighty.
The view of Jesus presented in Judaism, that the Messiah need not be divine but would be a man sent from God to set up God's earthly kingdom, influences the view of many Christians. They are afraid to object as though God will punish them for disagreeing with Judaism, not realizing that much of Judaism is not even from the Scriptures but is a view with origins in the teachings of rabbis (the Talmud). I posted for years at a Messianic board called the ZolaBoard and it was common there to find that the Messianic Jews believe that Jesus was the created Son of God. And I was one of the few who posted there who objected to that view. It was made known to me that I was not welcome there.
The former local cable TV provider used to offer local channels for programs originating with local residents. One local resident regularly had a program which included teachings by a Muslim Imam. I would sometimes listen just to learn what they were teaching. One day this Iman was mocking Christians and "their God." He laughed as he stated that "Christians believe that God killed himself" to save them. Well, I'm not sure how well he knew most Christians because the deeper you dig into the beliefs of many Christians the more you find that they reject that God Himself did what was necessarily and acceptable to Him to save us.
Peace with God Through Faith
Rom 5:1 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom 5:2 Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 5:3 Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance,
Rom 5:4 and endurance produces character, and character produces hope,
Rom 5:5 and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.
Rom 5:6 For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die—
Rom 5:8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.
Rom 5:11 More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.
Death in Adam, Life in Christ
Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—
Rom 5:13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
Rom 5:15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.
Rom 5:16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.
Rom 5:17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
Rom 5:18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.
Rom 5:19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.
Rom 5:20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,
Rom 5:21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Redemption Through the Blood of Christ
Heb 9:11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation)
Heb 9:12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh,
Heb 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
Heb 9:15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
Heb 9:16 For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established.
Heb 9:17 For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive.
Heb 9:18 Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood.
Heb 9:19 For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people,
Heb 9:20 saying, "This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you."
Heb 9:21 And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and all the vessels used in worship.
Heb 9:22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
Heb 9:23 Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf.
Heb 9:25 Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own,
Heb 9:26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Heb 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,
Heb 9:28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.