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IS there an right way to appoint a PASTOR ?
« on: Thu May 26, 2022 - 17:58:09 »
 And  I have  been on  either a  DEACON board  or on an  ELDER  board that goes through a  process and list of any one  , that want to  PASTOR  your   church .

 So I say , what are the  verses  that helps any  assembly to appoint a  Pastor ?

 What say you ??

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Re: IS there an right way to appoint a PASTOR ?
« Reply #1 on: Fri May 27, 2022 - 03:38:27 »
And I have been on either a  DEACON board or on an ELDER  board that goes through a process and list of anyone, that wants to PASTOR your church. So I say, what are the verses that help any assembly to appoint a Pastor?

What say you ??
Dan, there are no churches in the NT where they had a single man over a body of believers, so, there is NO office of a pastor in the true sense of the word. Pastoring is something that the elders (older men) do. Bishop is the office, and pastoring is the work of the elder who were called "bishops".
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BISH'OP, noun [Latin episcopus; Gr. of, over, and inspector, or visitor; to view, or inspect; whence, to visit; also, to view. This Greek and Latin word accompanied the introduction of christianity into the west and north of Europe.]
You will look in vain to find one church epistle written to a single bishop of a local church.
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Philippians 1:1~Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:
Generally they were written to the church of the saints, never to a single mini pope.
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3rd John verses 9-11~"I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not. Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church. Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God."
Very clear the early church did not have a single man over them acting as lord over God's heritage.
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So I say, what are the verses that help any assembly to appoint a Pastor?
Sir, there are none~what churches should do is decide among the elders who are the most gifted and qualify to lead the church in teaching and protecting them, more than two is preferred generally, if possible. The church at Philippi was small and only started in Acts 16 with a handful of believers, and pretty sure it had not grown that large in such a short period of time.

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Re: IS there an right way to appoint a PASTOR ?
« Reply #2 on: Fri May 27, 2022 - 05:35:01 »
And I might add that each epistle or letter was written to and about the church or the called out one’s in each CITY or AREA. There wasn’t the North side church in Thessolonica or Ephesus, etc. CITYWIDE  elders only apparently.  Not a great parallel in modern times with our congregations and elders of the body of Christ on every street corner.
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Re: IS there an right way to appoint a PASTOR ?
« Reply #3 on: Fri May 27, 2022 - 05:49:14 »
IS  there an right way to  appoint a PASTOR ?

First off, the place of "pastor" has minimal description in the bible.  As used, it seems to the a chief elder of a congregation.

In the NT examples, elders (including the pastor) were appointed by either an apostle or his designate. (like Timothy and Titus being designated by Paul)

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Re: IS there an right way to appoint a PASTOR ?
« Reply #4 on: Fri May 27, 2022 - 07:14:52 »
So I say , what are the  verses  that helps any  assembly to appoint a  Pastor ?

What are the verses that says anything about a pastor?

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Re: IS there an right way to appoint a PASTOR ?
« Reply #5 on: Fri May 27, 2022 - 12:25:36 »
What are the verses that says anything about a pastor?
The word you want to search for is shepherd.  Pastor is just an archaic word that means shepherd.

Focusing on the New Testament, Jesus is named the Good Shepherd.  He is held up in contrast to those bad shepherds who are derelict in their duty to protect the sheep.  I believe this to be a callback to something written in one of the intertestamental books that didn't make it into the canon:

     And He called seventy shepherds, and cast those sheep to them that they might pasture them, and He spake to the shepherds and their companions: 

     'Let each individual of you pasture the sheep henceforward, and everything that I shall command you that do ye. And I will deliver them over unto you duly numbered,
     and tell you which of them are to be destroyed-and them destroy ye.'

     And He gave over unto them those sheep. And He called another and spake unto him:

     'Observe and mark everything that the shepherds will do to those sheep; for they will destroy more of them than I have commanded them. And every excess and the
     destruction which will be wrought through the shepherds, record (namely) how many they destroy according to my command, and how many according to their own
     caprice: record against every individual shepherd all the destruction he effects. And read out before me by number how many they destroy, and how many they deliver
     over for destruction, that I may have this as a testimony against them, and know every deed of the shepherds, that I may comprehend and see what they do, whether
     or not they abide by my command which I have commanded them. But they shall not know it, and thou shalt not declare it to them, nor admonish them, but only
     record against each individual all the destruction which the shepherds effect each in his time and lay it all before me.'

     And I saw till those shepherds pastured in their season, and they began to slay and to destroy more than they were bidden, and they delivered those sheep into the
     hand of the lions. (1st Enoch 89:59-66)

The writer of Enoch is here referring to those 70 elders who received the Law alongside Moses, and afterwards failed to safeguard Israel from falling into apostasy and worship of other gods.  In the New Testament, the 'bad shepherds' are the analogous body - the Sanhedrin - whose authority is supposedly inherited from those original elders of Israel.

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Re: IS there an right way to appoint a PASTOR ?
« Reply #6 on: Fri May 27, 2022 - 13:17:33 »
yes, I know that.  I should have simply said what I wanted to say and forgot about trying to be clever.  Based upon Acts 20:!7-28 we see that elders [πρεσβύτερος/presbuteros], bishops or overseers [ἐπίσκοπος/episkopos] and shepherds or pastors [ποιμαίνω/poimainō] are all one and the same.

So in terms of offices and officers in the congregations, there are really only two; they are the elders and the deacons.  In addition, we read of prophets, evangelists, ministers, preachers and teachers, but these are not conferred with any leadership authority in the congregations.

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Re: IS there an right way to appoint a PASTOR ?
« Reply #7 on: Fri May 27, 2022 - 14:40:04 »
yes, I know that.  I should have simply said what I wanted to say and forgot about trying to be clever.  Based upon Acts 20:!7-28 we see that elders [πρεσβύτερος/presbuteros], bishops or overseers [ἐπίσκοπος/episkopos] and shepherds or pastors [ποιμαίνω/poimainō] are all one and the same.

So in terms of offices and officers in the congregations, there are really only two; they are the elders and the deacons.  In addition, we read of prophets, evangelists, ministers, preachers and teachers, but these are not conferred with any leadership authority in the congregations.
I agree with what you're saying here.

Why u mad, tho?  ::noworries::

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Re: IS there an right way to appoint a PASTOR ?
« Reply #8 on: Fri May 27, 2022 - 15:13:27 »
Who is mad?  I am assuming you are using mad as angry, not crazy.

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Re: IS there an right way to appoint a PASTOR ?
« Reply #9 on: Fri May 27, 2022 - 16:59:17 »
 And they are  FOUND  in  Eph 4:11  ,PASTORS / POIMEN  and is in thr  ACCUSATIVE  CASE and is in the  PLURAL  and in  verse 10 I believe it is Christ  that has  given that gift to the 5  position , for the  EQUIPPING  of the  saints for  service .

 This is what I  see , how Paul  appointed them , and what do you see what  Acts 14:23 is  valid ?

 As  Acts 20:28  , it is  the  HOLY  SPIRIT  .

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« Reply #10 on: Sat May 28, 2022 - 03:22:53 »
And they are  FOUND  in  Eph 4:11, PASTORS / POIMEN  and are in the  ACCUSATIVE  CASE and is in the  PLURAL  and in verse 10 I believe it is Christ that has given that gift to the 5 positions, for the  EQUIPPING  of the saints for service. This is what I, how Paul appointed them, and what do you see what  Acts 14:23 is valid? Ans  Acts 20:28, it is the HOLY SPIRIT. dan p
Again Dan, pastoring is a gift, but it is NOT an office , and certainly not the only leadership office of any local church to be filled by only ONE MAN. 

Some bishops may have the gift of pastoring the sheep, while other bishops may have the gift to teach, maybe some have both gifts, yet still, it is clear from just reading the NT, that no one body of believers had ONE bishop over them, as we now see in churches through this world in the twenty-first century, where there are mini popes everywhere having the mentality that God has made them lord's over the particular church they are in and they labor to convince the folks in those churches they are there in GOD stead telling them what they should, or should not do and they are to follow them in whatever direction God is leading THEM.

So, yes there are many gifts in the body of Christ, just as our natural body has many members and each member has its own particular use for the usefulness of our body.
 
The church is not ONE BIG MOUTH without any other parts as some men who have us to believe. Christ's body is not deformed but a perfectly, gloriously body, where each member supplies its own particular gift to this body.

Let me add this~without question that there have been churches where they had only one pastor. That pastor did not take on the mentality that God had placed him over those believers to do all their thinking for them in just about every area of their life, in good faith did a humble job considering the WHOLE BODY as contributors to the good of the whole body.
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