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« on: October 31, 2009, 09:01:16 PM »

How do you study the Bible and become more well-versed and smarter and wiser with respect to Bible, so that you arent so easily squashed in disagreements about what something means etc?
I mean not to like win arguments (!) but just to bolster your Bible doctrine so you are stronger Christian? I notice some of peeps on this forum give really intelligent answers that seem almost like it is the Bible itself answering the question. How did they get so doctrinally smart?
I know you can go acedemia route but Ive already into my major. Is there a way to get smarter in Bible on your own, how do you do it? Where do you start?   Please dont say just by reading the Bible because thats obvious. To use acedmia metaphor again , its lke walking into a school and then just walking into any random  class lol. Thats what I feel like when i read Bible. i mean isnt there proven system for studying the word?
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2009, 09:10:48 PM »

  i mean isnt there proven system for studying the word?

Pray before you read...ask the Holy Spirit to guide you in the word.  With the Spirit of God in you, every read brings about new meaning and peace.  Know that the Bible is the sword of the Spirit...it is truth, every word is God's.  It should be the number one book you consider; and the number one book you trust.

Consider God your Father (Dad)...as He instructs you in His Will, which will bring peace to your life.  The Spirit is gentle, patient and full of compassion...God is love; so see the love He has for us through His words...

May God grant you peace and joy as you discover the beauty of His love!
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2009, 09:18:24 PM »

How do you study the Bible and become more well-versed and smarter and wiser with respect to Bible, so that you arent so easily squashed in disagreements about what something means etc?
I mean not to like win arguments (!) but just to bolster your Bible doctrine so you are stronger Christian? I notice some of peeps on this forum give really intelligent answers that seem almost like it is the Bible itself answering the question. How did they get so doctrinally smart?
I know you can go acedemia route but Ive already into my major. Is there a way to get smarter in Bible on your own, how do you do it? Where do you start?   Please dont say just by reading the Bible because thats obvious. To use acedmia metaphor again , its lke walking into a school and then just walking into any random  class lol. Thats what I feel like when i read Bible. i mean isnt there proven system for studying the word?

I don't know about a "proven system" but I know about a God Who is faithful to teach those who ask the Holy Spirit to teach them and lead them into all truth.

I also use a few freebies in my studies  Smile...that have helped me alot one is...

http://www.e-sword.net   They have alot of wonderful "tools" one can download and use for free

I also have recently started using...

http://www.blueletterbible.org/study/

I also have a study Bible which I have used for years now.  That is a wonderful way to start getting into studying the Bible more...
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2009, 10:08:22 PM »

I also have recently started using...

http://www.blueletterbible.org/study/

I also have been using blue letter bible since about 2006. It has easy tools to use to break down passages into the root Greek or Hebrew word to give a better understanding of a particular passage within a context. I used to sweat over concordances and lexicons before I found this website, now I use it for my studies exclusively.

Aside from that I am like the op mentioned, pretty straight forward and obvious in my techniques in study. I simply read, over and over again. I have had a pretty nasty lapse since this past May, but I have began again the journey again through the NT. I find if I am intimately familiar with the Word of God, doctrine just comes naturally.

Bless you all in your studies.
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2009, 11:34:48 PM »

....read large chunks rather than short passages and proof texts.
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2009, 11:34:52 PM »

Spend uninterrupted time in it, such as reading Isaiah in one sitting.  do this with all the books.  Do this repeatedly.  And this will give you an overall grasp. Yet it won't give you spiritual insight, per se, as that comes only from the Lord.  There is no shortcut to wisdom.  I spent years studying Greek, and yet I find that there are many with an incredible grasp of Greek that far surpasses my own.  When it comes right down to it, I know little of it technically.  Yet in the studies over the years, all the scholars that I've seen, you can see their personal bent as they interpret and then translate, even regarding the basic meanings of individual words.  Yet I thoroughly enjoy sitting back and seeing others give their knowledge.  Some of it I can't agree with, but often hold my tongue, for I might very well be wrong, and it is proper to hold one's peace and keep silent, preferring others in this.

I think that an overall grasp of the Word is lacking in the church, from what I've seen.  For many years now, I've gone through the bible about 10 to 15 times a year, usually at up to 8 hours at a time.  I find that this gives an overall, continuous, intertwined understanding of it that isn't often had.  My kids love going through Ex, Num, and Deut, for it facinates them as they see the heart of God and spiritual truths come alive that are throughout the rest of the Word.  They'd just as soon keep reading after 3 or 4 pages, but time runs out before I have to head out for work.  I wasn't this way as a kid, by any means.  I didn't have a parent that loved the Lord so much that they spent so many hours a day in His Word, even though they spent about 2 hours a day in it and were both graduates of bible college.  The passion makes a difference, I think, and it is also contagious, I think.  It all comes from the Lord.  "Ask, and it shall be given to you". 


And some are gifted in this sort of thing, such as Greek and Hebrew, and in working through doctrine and such.  Others aren't.  Yet all are equally important to the body of Christ.  It is good to pursue these things, challenging ourselves to be better and capable in many different spiritual things, as the Lord is worthy of this.  Let us be wary of burrying our "talents".  God expects much more than He has given to us.

If you want more faith and wisdom and understanding spiritually, then look to what the Lord said:

(Luk 17:5)  And the apostles said to the Lord, Give us more faith.

(Luk 17:6)  And the Lord said, If you had faith as a grain of mustard seed, you might say to this sycamine tree, Be rooted up and be planted in the sea! And it would obey you.

(Luk 17:7)  But which of you who has a servant plowing or feeding will say to him immediately after he has come from the field, Come, recline?

(Luk 17:8)  Will he not say to him, Prepare something so that I may eat, and gird yourself and serve me until I eat and drink. And afterward you shall eat and drink.

(Luk 17:9)  Does he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I think not.

(Luk 17:10)  So likewise you, when you shall have done all the things commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants, for we have done what we ought to do.

Get out there and share your faith constantly.  Do works for the Lord.  Spend much private time with Him, as the spiritual things are spiritually discerned, and solely so, or the carnal mind can grasp them without needing God.  Spend much time in talking and listening to God Himself.  I find that a few hours talking back and forth with God goes by so, so fast, it seems like just a few minutes.  It's truly amazing.  Spend much time in the bible.  Time flies when you're having fun!  Bible study is to be 'a deux' -- just two of you, between you and God.  Then get together and share what you've learned, so that others can correct or give further input, or be encouraged and challenged, etc..  We are spiritual batteries: if you keep taking in more than you give out, you will become powerless.

And then believe it as it is straightforward stated in the Word.

Sorry for rambling on.
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2009, 02:34:33 PM »

How do you study the Bible and become more well-versed and smarter and wiser with respect to Bible, so that you arent so easily squashed in disagreements about what something means etc?
I mean not to like win arguments (!) but just to bolster your Bible doctrine so you are stronger Christian? I notice some of peeps on this forum give really intelligent answers that seem almost like it is the Bible itself answering the question. How did they get so doctrinally smart?
I know you can go acedemia route but Ive already into my major. Is there a way to get smarter in Bible on your own, how do you do it? Where do you start?   Please dont say just by reading the Bible because thats obvious. To use acedmia metaphor again , its lke walking into a school and then just walking into any random  class lol. Thats what I feel like when i read Bible. i mean isnt there proven system for studying the word?
One thing is you should first pray for the Holy Spirit to guide you and fill you with the wisdom He wants you to have, there is good programs to read the bible in a year. Which you read some from The OT and some from NT, Don't compare your growth to others, and some that sound so great sometimes are not as wise as you think. Just a suggestion don't read to win arguments. Even I should not have written this like you have to do it my way it's just the way I started, let God be your Guide
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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2009, 04:30:19 PM »

I like all the posts about the Spirit needing to guide us in understanding, or we are amiss.  What a critical truth it is.
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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2009, 10:06:10 PM »

The name of the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ the Righteous. He said and I would BELIEVE it "My words are Spirit and they are Life."

Spirit is used interchangeably many times with the mind: please don't listen to those impulses that come out of your own spirit. Trust the Word of God. Since the Spirit Christ inspired the prophets (not kings or priests) the truth is absolute:

Is. 8:20 To the law and to the testimony:
       if they speak not according to this word,
       it is because there is no light in them.

       Rev. 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not:
       I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God:
       for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

If you read WHOLE contexts as recommended, you will get the meaning without any guessing.  Much of the New Testament points to the prophecies: Peter said that those prophecies have been perfected and defined worship as "giving heed" to them.  This will cause the Day Star to arise in your heart or you will see face to face rather than through a dark glass. He used this as a MARK for those who do not "teach that which has been spoken and Spirit confirmed by eye and ear witnesses. That may mean that you will never get it where we love to chop and cut and rewrite the Holy Texts which confuse and discourage personal discipleship.

Job 33:3 My words shall be of the uprightness of my heart:
              and my lips shall utter knowledge clearly.
         Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me,
                    and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

Eph. 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man,
       which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph. 4:23 And be renewed in the SPIRIT of your MIND;
     And that ye put on the new man, which after God
     is created in righteousness and true holiness. Ep.4:24

> And have put on the new man,
       which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him
       that created him: Col.3:10

> For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish,
        yet the inward man is renewed day by day. 2 Co.4:16
> Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ:
        that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs,
        that ye stand fast
            in one Spirit,
            with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel; Ph.1:27

But let it be the
        hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament
        of a meek and quiet Spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 1Pe.3:4

Noise radically disables the rational or spiritual hemisphere which allows teaching to slip through the emotions without passing the WATCHTOWERS of the Left hemisphere.  It's called decibel poisoning.  Jesus speaks to the meek and quiet.

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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2009, 12:11:37 AM »

I just close my eyes, ask God to lead me to the passage He wants, then open the bible and place my finger somewhere on the page.  I open my eyes and see what's up from God!  No problem until one time it rested on "liars, thieves, murderers".  Oooh.  Not nice.  So I did asked again to be led, and came to "Judas went and hanged himself".  So I asked to be led again, and opened to "go and do thou likewise".  Getting a bit frustrated and almost a little flustered, I tried it one last time, pleading with God to direct me in it!  This time I came to the words "think not".  Aaahhh.  Peace of mind finally!  I'm sure that I can fit in almost anywhere doing that.   Praying hard
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2009, 04:05:43 PM »

The name of the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ the Righteous. He said and I would BELIEVE it "My words are Spirit and they are Life."

Spirit is used interchangeably many times with the mind: please don't listen to those impulses that come out of your own spirit. Trust the Word of God. Since the Spirit Christ inspired the prophets (not kings or priests) the truth is absolute:

Is. 8:20 To the law and to the testimony:
       if they speak not according to this word,
       it is because there is no light in them.

       Rev. 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not:
       I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God:
       for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

If you read WHOLE contexts as recommended, you will get the meaning without any guessing.  Much of the New Testament points to the prophecies: Peter said that those prophecies have been perfected and defined worship as "giving heed" to them.  This will cause the Day Star to arise in your heart or you will see face to face rather than through a dark glass. He used this as a MARK for those who do not "teach that which has been spoken and Spirit confirmed by eye and ear witnesses. That may mean that you will never get it where we love to chop and cut and rewrite the Holy Texts which confuse and discourage personal discipleship.

Job 33:3 My words shall be of the uprightness of my heart:
              and my lips shall utter knowledge clearly.
         Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me,
                    and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

Eph. 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man,
       which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph. 4:23 And be renewed in the SPIRIT of your MIND;
     And that ye put on the new man, which after God
     is created in righteousness and true holiness. Ep.4:24

> And have put on the new man,
       which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him
       that created him: Col.3:10

> For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish,
        yet the inward man is renewed day by day. 2 Co.4:16
> Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ:
        that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs,
        that ye stand fast
            in one Spirit,
            with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel; Ph.1:27

But let it be the
        hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament
        of a meek and quiet Spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 1Pe.3:4

Noise radically disables the rational or spiritual hemisphere which allows teaching to slip through the emotions without passing the WATCHTOWERS of the Left hemisphere.  It's called decibel poisoning.  Jesus speaks to the meek and quiet.


One question do you believe in The Holy Trinity?
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2009, 04:24:44 PM »

Entering into discussion here is a good learning tool. I have learned a lot from being wrong many times!
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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2009, 04:52:01 PM »

One question do you believe in The Holy Trinity?

Probably not the neo-trinity you believe in: as far as I can discover that must have begun to ooze out around the turn of the Century but was finally outed by H. Leo Boles at Freed Hardeman in 1938.  He put that into print in 1942: being head of LU and the Gospel Advocate that became the mantra of the Church of Christ East Wing.  John Mark Hicks is still pushing it at Lipscomb and tried to force old Dead Alexander Campbell to support him.

That was, God is Three, separated, independent persons (people) able to stand side by side or face to face. They are ranked 1, 2 and 3 and each has their own distinct ability.  Rubel Shelly tells the joke about the Father God and the Holy Spirit God tricking little anxious Son God into volunteering to come and die for us. You know how children are always waving their hands volunteering to do something.

http://www.piney.com/Trinity.Hicks.Rochester.html

Hicks says that there are "three centers of consciousness" but then he is just repeating some denominational stuff. That would mean that their holy trinity is defacto THREE GOD PERSONS: Boles would say a family, Hicks would say a community (therefore the need for a Community Church).

However, lucky for them that they lived in no earlier period of well documented history.  The people who INVENTED the word TRIAS from the Greek and other pagans ALL of whom had literal families of necessarily Father, Mother and Son (the neo-Catholic triad).

However, when the used the word PERSONAE it never mean "person" as in a people.

Being John Literate they all define the ONE DIVINE BEING as:

Father thinks (Jesus said the Father was within Him)
Spirit breaths (Spirit MEANS wind or breath and not a person)
Word as Son of God articulates the invisible wind or breath

Jesus said that neither the Son nor the Spirit supplied any words.

Theophilus of Antioch was the ORIGINATOR of the trias concept.

http://www.piney.com/HsTheopTrinity.html

The second writer was Tertullian

http://www.piney.com/Tertullian.Praxeas.html

The original Nicene Creed identified the Godhead as God and Christ who was in Christ Jesus as FULL deity: Paul says that if you deny that you are anti-Christ.

As an after, after thought they said "and we believe in the Holy Spirit." 

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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2009, 08:05:36 PM »

I second Charles' suggestion about Blue Letter Bible.  It's an excellent resource.

Doing word studies greatly helps with Bible reading comprehension.  If you're in BLB, click on the "C."  It will show all the Greek words in the verse.  Now, whatever word you want to look at, just click on the number to the side of the word.  It will give bring you to a page with everything you need to make a good word study.

First, read the dictionary definitions. 

Second, scroll down.  There's a list of all the verses in the Bible that use this word.  Look at how the word is used through the rest of the Bible.  I find this much more helpful in getting a sense of the word than just reading the definition.

Third, look at the list of ways that the word is translated into English.  Then, next time you see one of those words in your normal reading, you'll be able to connect it to your word study.

Finally, click on the root word(s) near the upper right and do 1 & 3 for those words.  That will give you a good sense of other words in both Greek, and in your Bible, that this word is related to.  This is surprisingly helpful at connecting the dots in other verses.

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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2009, 10:31:00 PM »

How do you study the Bible and become more well-versed and smarter and wiser with respect to Bible, so that you arent so easily squashed in disagreements about what something means etc?
I mean not to like win arguments (!) but just to bolster your Bible doctrine so you are stronger Christian? I notice some of peeps on this forum give really intelligent answers that seem almost like it is the Bible itself answering the question. How did they get so doctrinally smart?
I know you can go acedemia route but Ive already into my major. Is there a way to get smarter in Bible on your own, how do you do it? Where do you start?   Please dont say just by reading the Bible because thats obvious. To use acedmia metaphor again , its lke walking into a school and then just walking into any random  class lol. Thats what I feel like when i read Bible. i mean isnt there proven system for studying the word?

I second HRoberson's comment, for the most part.

....read large chunks rather than short passages and proof texts.

To answer the OP, that's exactly what I'm aiming for: I want my speech to dovetail straight out of the Word ITSELF. So much Christianese (I'm referring to subculture, of course) will take a handful of verses and explode them into some feel-good book that sounds nothing like it, and I don't even want to know how some authors do it. Eventually it repeats the yeast of the Pharisees when the words over-saturate without constantly drawing from God. The Bible is incredibly easy to understand the LESS you know about all the awful stuffing and word-multiplication that pollutes Christian subculture.

After all, consider this: two thousand years ago worthwhile writings--66 in all--were compiled in a book called "The Bible" that has been spread all the way around the world and endures to this day. If some of that other junk was just as good and pure, why didn't it survive the test of time like the Bible and likewise make it all over the world? Something I think about sometimes.

Personally, I'm not afraid of being the first guy to do it start to finish: Go STRAIGHT to God and hear it in its purity, and everything else spoken from the world will filter through that.

And then you'd be AMAZED where God expresses Himself! In step with what often happened in the Word, it comes from places some would not have you think it ought to come from! (albeit even still, of course, letting that also filter through the word)

But yes, do what all the great men of the Bible did, from Moses to Elijah to John the Baptist: make it your own, personal journey, strike out boldly into the wilderness, and get it in purity.

And be sure to tell us what you find out!  Smile

Oh, another thing I did at first: I'd read a passage in the morning (a specific command) and think during the day about how I would obey it. Learn by doing, and more concepts make sense. "The wise man meditates on God's law day and night," (David).
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