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Re: How does everything fit into "GOD's Plan?"
« Reply #70 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 06:51:17 »
Note to the Mods:

Isn't this thread turning into a Catholic Complaint Forum?

(just wondering...................)

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 Cant you see how the Catholic church has messed this couple up?

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« Reply #71 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 08:34:56 »
so you are disobeying God the Lord   by leaving someone who thought loved you and he didnt.
I was tought in religion school and i should find the quote that "all of us are his sheep and he is our shepard"
Does it matter that my sister didnt stay with  a cheater and a liar.
So God's will no matter how much work they put into the marriage and the relationship and  how much they try to get help and not work. She should stay with someone who broke a commandent and make her unhappy?
I thought  jesus died for original sin.
He died for all our sins. But according to you and your lord... She is supposed to be unhappy in an unhealthy relationship that can bring her down to  depression. I was there through all that and it isnt good to see your sister so depressed. She thought it could work, we all did, sometimes Man cant change and would be unfaithful. Why waist our time and enrgy with someone who is unfaithful when we can spend it with someone  who will never  let a tear fall from your eye or break your heart and someone who is a 100 percent faithul. But   in Gods will she was unhappy so she is not a good person.
 My sister would teach her   what the  duties of god parents were to be but she will not teach her to stay unhappy.
She will teach her to find someone who loves and care for her uncontitionally like you believe Your god would do but doesnt. There are so many people that you believe go to hell because  they dont believe,  because they dont want to live anymore oir any other life style but they do kill, they dont steal, they go to church. the accept god and his word but they chose to be happy. I think It is not GOD that made these rules, I think it is some churches.  Because God knew what he was getting into when he created us and his son died for our sins ,
why did he die for our sins if we sin  we go to hell, what was the point in that?
I think many faiths have Jesus and God all wrong.

Love thy Neighbor like you love thyself.
You dont seem to practice that.

I am not trying to bash anyone or christin or anything. I am just try to understand the reasoning cause some of these rules dont make sense.
BTW Gillandro is snoring in the bed room and doesnt get up till 10 30 so i am not him *looks down* wrong equipment there

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« Reply #72 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 08:39:32 »
Note to the Mods:

Isn't this thread turning into a Catholic Complaint Forum?

(just wondering...................)

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 Cant you see how the Catholic church has messed this couple up?


Point is my Sister, that this discussion really doesn't belong here in General Discussion
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« Reply #73 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 09:09:16 »
blah this issure is done cause you guys have ur ways and I have my believes.. let bygones be bygone or let the sleeping dogs lie its not getting us anywhere. I believe what i want and you believe in what you want  ::frustrated::

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Re: How does everything fit into "GOD's Plan?"
« Reply #74 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 09:14:29 »
blah this issure is done cause you guys have ur ways and I have my believes.. let bygones be bygone or let the sleeping dogs lie its not getting us anywhere. I believe what i want and you believe in what you want  ::frustrated::

and what is it you believe, exactly?

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« Reply #75 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 09:25:11 »
I believe in GOd yes I believe in Jesus(yes and unlike my husband)
I believe jesus died for our sins and that we are ALL his children.
I believe that the  tombstone yes its a tombstone not a cross shouldnt be there.
Or if it is, then the parent and not the teacher should explain it to thier kids
I do not agree in some othe the churches rules for my own personal reasons.
I believe in alot but in the posts you may not think so. I am not looking for enemies, just lookng to find some ansers and points of views believe it or not

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« Reply #76 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 09:30:20 »
I believe in GOd yes I believe in Jesus(yes and unlike my husband)
I believe jesus died for our sins and that we are ALL his children.

Thanks for answering.  ::smile::

How do we become His children?

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Re: How does everything fit into "GOD's Plan?"
« Reply #77 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 09:30:42 »
Tazgirl
No I dont think your sister should have stayed with a man who cheated and lied and decieved.Jesus allows divorce for those reasons. Most churches wouldnt have refused her permission to be a god parent if she was divorced for that.
The main requirement for a god parent is for them to be a christian, otherwise what is the point of them being a god parent?

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« Reply #78 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 09:42:08 »
MeMyself: I thought from the day we are born we are his children.... espcially if we believe and  were baptised

chosenone I like you... I like your answer as well.
It was from your own words.
I just dont see why people should stay in an  unhealthy relationship i dont think Jesus would want his people to be unhappy.
My sister still does teach her  the way we were brought up. to believe and listen to god.

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« Reply #79 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 09:50:11 »
MeMyself: I thought from the day we are born we are his children.... espcially if we believe and  were baptised

sadly, you have been given misinformation.  We must confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe with all our hearts that God raised Him from the dead to be saved.  (that is from scripture, but I know how much disdain you have for it)

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« Reply #80 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 09:55:31 »
that makes sense actually.. its not much of a disdain but i just like to hear from  people... its all personal opinions is all...
esp  after hearing everyone tell me  to look in the dictionary for a definition at home. I just want an opinion or a simple answer and that my friend if i may call you that is a simple answer

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Re: How does everything fit into "GOD's Plan?"
« Reply #81 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 10:57:44 »
How did this topic go from dogs to Godparents to a Catholic discussion ::frustrated:: This is why there are categories to these forums and this discussion about Catholics and questions pertaing to it should be moved to the Catholic forum no matter who is Catholic trying to help others that are Catholic. If you want Godparents then specify it in a will who will take care of your kids when you are gone as I believe the OP was about dogs!!!  ::backontopic::

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Re: How does everything fit into "GOD's Plan?"
« Reply #82 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 11:48:23 »
Sometimes a topic will go a bit off course, and personally I dont think it matters much. The title was 'how does everything fit into Gods plan? which I suppose can really include just about everything or anything!
I think that taz girl needs answers from Christians, and not just Catholics.

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« Reply #83 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 11:50:55 »
MeMyself: I thought from the day we are born we are his children.... espcially if we believe and  were baptised

sadly, you have been given misinformation.  We must confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe with all our hearts that God raised Him from the dead to be saved.  (that is from scripture, but I know how much disdain you have for it)


 memyself is right. Being baptised as a baby makes no difference at all. I was baptised as a baby, but it wasnt till I was an adult and became a believer myself, that I was adopted into Gods family as his child.

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Re: How does everything fit into "GOD's Plan?"
« Reply #84 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 21:53:30 »
I choose a good godly Christian lady who has a strong faith. Her first husband, along with his mother, caused her to have a major nervious breakdown and she had to spend 3 months in a mental hospital. No she didnt disobey God. She survived a horrible situation and God bought her though it.
Such a situation is possibly grounds for invalidity but not knowing much about their situation I couldn't tell.

The breakdown is not her fault, the remarriage is if her first one is valid. But based on that snippet, I think that it is highly likely that it may be invalid.

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Re: How does everything fit into "GOD's Plan?"
« Reply #85 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 21:54:59 »
Cant you see how the Catholic church has messed this couple up?
The Catholic Church did not mess them up. If they are messed up they were like that before. Most likely due to the rule of the self.


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« Reply #86 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 21:56:28 »
blah this issure is done cause you guys have ur ways and I have my believes.. let bygones be bygone or let the sleeping dogs lie its not getting us anywhere. I believe what i want and you believe in what you want  ::frustrated::
And there goes another relativist who doesn't know how untennable relativism is.

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« Reply #87 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 21:58:11 »
Point is my Sister, that this discussion really doesn't belong here in General Discussion
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Yes, you are right there. Perhaps the section about the godmother should be moved to the Catholic sub forum.  Attention all mods.

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« Reply #88 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 22:00:44 »
I believe in GOd yes I believe in Jesus(yes and unlike my husband)
I believe jesus died for our sins and that we are ALL his children.
I believe that the  tombstone yes its a tombstone not a cross shouldnt be there.
Or if it is, then the parent and not the teacher should explain it to thier kids
I do not agree in some othe the churches rules for my own personal reasons.
I believe in alot but in the posts you may not think so. I am not looking for enemies, just lookng to find some ansers and points of views believe it or not
In short you believe in yourself. That is all this post about. You  believe in what you believe and that is all that matters as far as you are concerned.

Basically you are not really Catholic. Your religion is Tazgirlism with a membership of one.

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« Reply #89 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 22:04:11 »
memyself is right. Being baptised as a baby makes no difference at all. I was baptised as a baby, but it wasnt till I was an adult and became a believer myself, that I was adopted into Gods family as his child.
Incorrect. You were adopted into His family as His child when you were baptized.  You probably packed up and did some adventuring outside of that family but now you are back.  We don't determine when we get adopted. That is not within our power. Only God has that power and that power is given through baptism and not because you say so.


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Re: How does everything fit into "GOD's Plan?"
« Reply #90 on: Mon Feb 06, 2012 - 22:06:56 »
that makes sense actually.. its not much of a disdain but i just like to hear from  people... its all personal opinions is all...
esp  after hearing everyone tell me  to look in the dictionary for a definition at home. I just want an opinion or a simple answer and that my friend if i may call you that is a simple answer
If you are referring to this response from memyself :" We must confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe with all our hearts that God raised Him from the dead to be saved" then that is not quite correct.

That is a very simplistic form that is not entirely Biblical and ignore large swathes of the Bible.

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Re: How does everything fit into "GOD's Plan?"
« Reply #91 on: Tue Feb 07, 2012 - 03:14:03 »
that makes sense actually.. its not much of a disdain but i just like to hear from  people... its all personal opinions is all...
esp  after hearing everyone tell me  to look in the dictionary for a definition at home. I just want an opinion or a simple answer and that my friend if i may call you that is a simple answer
If you are referring to this response from memyself :" We must confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe with all our hearts that God raised Him from the dead to be saved" then that is not quite correct.

That is a very simplistic form that is not entirely Biblical and ignore large swathes of the Bible.

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 Actually its entirely Biblical.

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« Reply #92 on: Tue Feb 07, 2012 - 08:09:31 »
that makes sense actually.. its not much of a disdain but i just like to hear from  people... its all personal opinions is all...
esp  after hearing everyone tell me  to look in the dictionary for a definition at home. I just want an opinion or a simple answer and that my friend if i may call you that is a simple answer
If you are referring to this response from memyself :" We must confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe with all our hearts that God raised Him from the dead to be saved" then that is not quite correct.

That is a very simplistic form that is not entirely Biblical and ignore large swathes of the Bible.

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 Actually its entirely Biblical.

LOL!  Thank you!  I was thinking to myself...how is it NOT entirely biblical, when it IS the word? Romans 10:9 after all! 

Here are the verses that surround it as well

 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,

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« Reply #93 on: Tue Feb 07, 2012 - 15:13:18 »
i just like as its short and sweet and straight to the point ::giggle::

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« Reply #94 on: Tue Feb 07, 2012 - 15:48:16 »
After all, all that the thief on the cross did was to believe that Jesus was a King with a kingdom, and he asked that Jesus would remember Him when he came into His kingdom, and he was saved!!!(I just LOVE that story) Sometimes humans like to add things that just arent needed or even in the Bible.

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« Reply #95 on: Tue Feb 07, 2012 - 17:08:21 »
Faith without action still results in Death.

So exactly what kind of ministry do you perform to further God's Kingdom?

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« Reply #96 on: Tue Feb 07, 2012 - 17:29:53 »
Faith without action still results in Death.

So exactly what kind of ministry do you perform to further God's Kingdom?

Still *results* in death (as in the wages of sin kind of death?) or faith without works *is* dead? (as in a dead faith, unable to please God?)


If one is living in the light of "whatever you do, do it for the glory of God"...THAT is ministry and has potential to further the Kingdom.
Have you been cursed in line at a grocery store, but blessed in return?  Kingdom potential
Are you someone who is quick to encourage others? Kingdom potential
Do you clean toilets after everyone else is gone from Church? Kingdom potential





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« Reply #97 on: Tue Feb 07, 2012 - 19:28:12 »
....how is it NOT entirely biblical, when it IS the word? 

Just because we can string some text together does not mean that our conclusions are Biblical.

Just sayin'.

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« Reply #98 on: Tue Feb 07, 2012 - 19:49:02 »
....how is it NOT entirely biblical, when it IS the word? 

Just because we can string some text together does not mean that our conclusions are Biblical.

Just sayin'.

 True..but that is not what happened.  I shared THE WORD, not my own thoughts.   ??? 

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« Reply #99 on: Tue Feb 07, 2012 - 20:04:05 »
....how is it NOT entirely biblical, when it IS the word? 

Just because we can string some text together does not mean that our conclusions are Biblical.

Just sayin'.

 True..but that is not what happened.  I shared THE WORD, not my own thoughts.   ??? 
Assuming that what a particular passage says on the surface equates to the Word of God isn't Biblical either. Something is only Biblical when it lines up with all of Scripture in an intelligent and supportive way.

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« Reply #100 on: Tue Feb 07, 2012 - 20:51:52 »
....how is it NOT entirely biblical, when it IS the word? 

Just because we can string some text together does not mean that our conclusions are Biblical.

Just sayin'.

 True..but that is not what happened.  I shared THE WORD, not my own thoughts.   ??? 

why does it have to be the word... why can't it be your thoughts every so often.  The word is a good one I agree the message is pure.  but why does the word have to be your only answer to anything?  I am sure for you it is the only answer but seems like the wizard of oz hiding behind his curtain.  I believe in god and know he is out there and he has some sort of reason for putting us here.  I just think that we will never truly hear his words...just what was interpreted to be his words.  I have read a passage or two of the bible and it comes off as some adventure story.  I was a big fan of the "left behind" book series which dealt with revelations and the glorious appearing, but mostly I liked it because the stories were entertaining more than anything to me.

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« Reply #101 on: Tue Feb 07, 2012 - 20:58:21 »
....how is it NOT entirely biblical, when it IS the word? 

Just because we can string some text together does not mean that our conclusions are Biblical.

Just sayin'.

 True..but that is not what happened.  I shared THE WORD, not my own thoughts.   ??? 
Assuming that what a particular passage says on the surface equates to the Word of God isn't Biblical either. Something is only Biblical when it lines up with all of Scripture in an intelligent and supportive way.

I don't see any way the passage from Romans can be taken in any way other than what it says.  I DO see it lining up with the rest of scripture...

Salvation is for any who call upon the name of Christ and believe in all His claims about Himself.  He is the only way to the Father...
everything else (baptism, repentance, works) is to glorify God.

At least that's my conviction.

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« Reply #102 on: Tue Feb 07, 2012 - 21:04:14 »

why does it have to be the word... why can't it be your thoughts every so often.

What are you talking about?  Every so often?  Most of what I have posted to you has been my own thoughts, so that makes NO sense at all!

 The word is a good one I agree the message is pure.  but why does the word have to be your only answer to anything?

The reason I said I had shared THE WORD was because it was called "not entirely biblical".  As to the rest of this, I'm not gonna defend any more than already have

 I am sure for you it is the only answer but seems like the wizard of oz hiding behind his curtain.  

Ok.

I believe in god and know he is out there and he has some sort of reason for putting us here.  I just think that we will never truly hear his words...just what was interpreted to be his words.  

Ok.

 I have read a passage or two of the bible and it comes off as some adventure story.  I was a big fan of the "left behind" book series which dealt with revelations and the glorious appearing, but mostly I liked it because the stories were entertaining more than anything to me.

Ok.

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« Reply #103 on: Tue Feb 07, 2012 - 21:09:22 »
if I took that out of context I am sorry. but it seems that as my wife says that all answers are given with scripture passages and some answers even seem to ignore issues.

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« Reply #104 on: Tue Feb 07, 2012 - 21:13:47 »
....how is it NOT entirely biblical, when it IS the word? 

Just because we can string some text together does not mean that our conclusions are Biblical.

Just sayin'.

 True..but that is not what happened.  I shared THE WORD, not my own thoughts.   ??? 
Assuming that what a particular passage says on the surface equates to the Word of God isn't Biblical either. Something is only Biblical when it lines up with all of Scripture in an intelligent and supportive way.

I don't see any way the passage from Romans can be taken in any way other than what it says.  I DO see it lining up with the rest of scripture...

Salvation is for any who call upon the name of Christ and believe in all His claims about Himself.  He is the only way to the Father...
everything else (baptism, repentance, works) is to glorify God.

At least that's my conviction.
OK. My only observation was that pasting passages does not by itself equate to "Biblical."

That's all.

So, when someone says "that's not Biblical" after you paste a passage, they're saying that they don't believe that you have adequately exegeted the passage from the whole of the Scriptural corpus. In the case of the recent discussion on this thread, I suspect Tradition would also be introduced as a shaping resource for understanding the topic.

 

     
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