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« on: July 15, 2007, 09:06:51 AM »

                                                          How God Speaks?

                                                God Speaks to us thro various ways.
God speaks through His Holy Spirit, the Bible, our prayers, circumstances and the members of His church to reveal Himself and His purposes and His ways. This is the beauty of the body of Christ coming together seeking God's will in the life of the church.

1.   Prayers.
2.   Fasting.
3.   Dreams.
4.   Visions.
5.   Holy Spirit.
6.   Prophets.
7.   Word Of God.
8.   The Members of His Church.
9.   Special Manifestations.
10.   Preaching and teaching. (Counsel)
11.   Lot.
12.   Praise and Worship.

Give Thanks To The Lord Jesus Christ.
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6.   Prophets.

Do you think there are Prophets of the Lord still today?
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2007, 11:03:26 AM »

I don't know about chandrus, but I still believe that there are prophets in this day and age. Some prophets are also called seers because God shows them things to reveal His will for futuristic events vs. a prophet who hears from God on a regular basis.
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Psalms 91:7" A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee."

Ephesians 6:11-12 " Put on the whole armour of God, and that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2007, 11:53:28 AM »

Seers are called STARGAZERS.
Because God had abandoned Israel to worship the STARRY HOST (Acts 7, etc., etc., etal), we have to look at SABAZIANISM to understand that to which God abandoned the national system BECAUSE they prayed for it. God saw their musical idolatry just after He had spoken The Book of The Covenant (ask your preacher to explain?) as their PRAYER and He gave them The Book of The Law and a mediating clergy.

That musical prayer worked so well because they had already refused to hear the voice of God caused them to be BLIND: Paul said that they would not be able to read BLACK text on WHITE paper until they converted to Christ (parallel to being baptised as a request or PRAYER for God to give them A holy spirit or A good conscience (1  Pet 3:21).

David was too fearful of God that he could not go to Gibeon to hear God. God abandoned Him to a Jebusite High Place and any message he received was from GAD the "King's" SEER.

Don't be surprised, The Book of Enoch defines the musical fall from Grace and the Living Word.
God came to Sinai with his ten thousand angels to deliver a FIERY LAW.
Jude affirms Enoch -- quoted liberally throughout the New Testament -- and says that God will come in judgment for those who reject the Word and PRAY for a more power-packed "worship center" to replace "the school of the Bible."

Can't help it: ALL falls from Grace are caused and marked by loud music in "Jesus' Bible Class." This is really justice because it answers the PRAYER when they "call down" principalities and powers they COULD have been warned about.

This is the same answer to prayer even by the 'blind' who turn their spirits over to slick speakers, singers and musicians. John and all musical definitions call them SORCERERS.  John says that the HAD already deceived the WHOLE WORLD.  That is my thesis that ALL falls from grace are created by music and rhetoric which are WORKS-INTENSIVE.  A musical instrument is defined as a "machine for doing hard work or for producing the Shock and Awe" of musical rituals called ORGE.  Paul warned not to fall into WRATH meaning the musical orge.

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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2007, 12:01:38 PM »

I don't know about chandrus, but I still believe that there are prophets in this day and age. Some prophets are also called seers because God shows them things to reveal His will for futuristic events vs. a prophet who hears from God on a regular basis.

Do you believe God reveals to these prophets things that are not found in the Bible?
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2007, 12:08:08 PM »

I don't know about chandrus, but I still believe that there are prophets in this day and age. Some prophets are also called seers because God shows them things to reveal His will for futuristic events vs. a prophet who hears from God on a regular basis.

Do you believe God reveals to these prophets things that are not found in the Bible?

Yes I do.
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Seers are called STARGAZERS.

Seers are not stargazers. They are Christians who see things in visions and dreams revealed to them by God Himself.
Joseph was not only an interpreter of dreams, but was also a seer.
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Psalms 91:7" A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee."

Ephesians 6:11-12 " Put on the whole armour of God, and that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2007, 12:21:08 PM »

I don't know about chandrus, but I still believe that there are prophets in this day and age. Some prophets are also called seers because God shows them things to reveal His will for futuristic events vs. a prophet who hears from God on a regular basis.

Do you believe God reveals to these prophets things that are not found in the Bible?


Yes I do.

Why would He reveal only to certain others things that we cannot already read about and know the truth about in the Scriptures?

Do you believe that we need this kind of communication from God in order to know and do His will today?
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2007, 12:27:28 PM »

I don't know about chandrus, but I still believe that there are prophets in this day and age. Some prophets are also called seers because God shows them things to reveal His will for futuristic events vs. a prophet who hears from God on a regular basis.

Do you believe God reveals to these prophets things that are not found in the Bible?


Yes I do.

Why would He reveal only to certain others things that we cannot already read about and know the truth about in the Scriptures?

Do you believe that we need this kind of communication from God in order to know and do His will today?

For the edification and the equipping of the body of Christ and no i don't believe that this is the only way to know how to do His will. The bible says that he gave some to be pastors, teachers, evangelists, prophets etc.....

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4:11 He gave some to be apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, shepherds{or, pastors} and teachers;
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Psalms 91:7" A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee."

Ephesians 6:11-12 " Put on the whole armour of God, and that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2007, 12:34:46 PM »

Here are some scriptures about prophets and seers which are at times used interchangeably.
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39:4 Joseph found favor in his sight. He ministered to him, and he made him overseer over his house, and all that he had he put into his hand.
39:5 It happened from the time that he made him overseer in his house, and over all that he had, that Yahweh blessed the Egyptian's house for Joseph's sake; and the blessing of Yahweh was on all that he had, in the house and in the field.
41:34 Let Pharaoh do this, and let him appoint overseers over the land, and take up the fifth part of the land of Egypt's produce in the seven plenteous years.
1 Samuel
9:9 (In earlier times in Israel, when a man went to inquire of God, thus he said, Come, and let us go to the seer; for he who is now called a prophet was before called a Seer.)
9:11 As they went up the ascent to the city, they found young maidens going out to draw water, and said to them, Is the seer here?
9:18 Then Saul drew near to Samuel in the gate, and said, Tell me, Please, where the seer's house is.
9:19 Samuel answered Saul, and said, I am the seer; go up before me to the high place, for you shall eat with me today: and in the morning I will let you go, and will tell you all that is in your heart.
2 Samuel
15:27 The king said also to Zadok the priest, "Aren't you a seer? Return into the city in peace, and your two sons with you, Ahimaaz your son, and Jonathan the son of Abiathar.
24:11 When David rose up in the morning, the word of Yahweh came to the prophet Gad, David's seer, saying,
2 Kings
17:13 Yet Yahweh testified to Israel, and to Judah, by every prophet, and every seer, saying, Turn you from your evil ways, and keep my commandments and my statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the prophets.
1 Chronicles
9:22 All these who were chosen to be porters in the thresholds were two hundred and twelve. These were reckoned by genealogy in their villages, whom David and Samuel the seer did ordain in their office of trust.
21:9 Yahweh spoke to Gad, David's seer, saying,
25:5 All these were the sons of Heman the king's seer in the words of God, to lift up the horn. God gave to Heman fourteen sons and three daughters.
26:28 All that Samuel the seer, and Saul the son of Kish, and Abner the son of Ner, and Joab the son of Zeruiah, had dedicated, whoever had dedicated anything, it was under the hand of Shelomoth, and of his brothers.
26:32 His brothers, men of valor, were two thousand seven hundred, heads of fathers' [houses], whom king David made overseers over the Reubenites, and the Gadites, and the half-tribe of the Manassites, for every matter pertaining to God, and for the affairs of the king.
29:29 Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the history of Samuel the seer, and in the history of Nathan the prophet, and in the history of Gad the seer,
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2:18 He set seventy thousand of them to bear burdens, and eighty thousand who were stone cutters in the mountains, and three thousand six hundred overseers to set the people at work.
9:29 Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, aren't they written in the history of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer concerning Jeroboam the son of Nebat?
12:15 Now the acts of Rehoboam, first and last, aren't they written in the histories of Shemaiah the prophet and of Iddo the seer, after the manner of genealogies? There were wars between Rehoboam and Jeroboam continually.
16:7 At that time Hanani the seer came to Asa king of Judah, and said to him, Because you have relied on the king of Syria, and have not relied on Yahweh your God, therefore is the army of the king of Syria escaped out of your hand.
   
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Psalms 91:7" A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee."

Ephesians 6:11-12 " Put on the whole armour of God, and that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2007, 12:45:43 PM »

angeleyes,

When Paul wrote those words in Ephesians, the Scriptures were not all written, and so the people did not have them all to fully teach them the will of God.  It was vital that those who had been appointed as apostles and prophets in that day go around and provide by inspiration what was not yet existent in Scripture, until it had been completed.

With the Scriptures complete, we can look to the writings and see the will of God and the ways of Christ when He was on the earth.  With the totality of Scripture we can be imitators of Christ without an apostle or a prophet. 

Consider this passage: 2 Timothy 3:16-17.
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

Paul stated that all Scripture is sufficient for the man of God to know all he needs to know so as to do all that God wants him to do.  If this is true, and I believe it is, then what will a so called prophet reveal now that is not already found in Scripture?  I have to say that he could reveal nothing.  Thus, if man today needs more words than can be found in Scripture, then the above Scripture is false and we cannot trust all that is written therein. 

I submit that we should not look for so called modern revelations as if God has to give us more words from God.  We can and should look for God's hand in His providence for us and look to how He answers prayer, but that is not the same thing as looking for more words from the mouth of somebody claiming to be inspired and having a special revelation from God.
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2007, 01:03:15 PM »

angeleyes,

When Paul wrote those words in Ephesians, the Scriptures were not all written, and so the people did not have them all to fully teach them the will of God.  It was vital that those who had been appointed as apostles and prophets in that day go around and provide by inspiration what was not yet existent in Scripture, until it had been completed.

With the Scriptures complete, we can look to the writings and see the will of God and the ways of Christ when He was on the earth.  With the totality of Scripture we can be imitators of Christ without an apostle or a prophet. 

Consider this passage: 2 Timothy 3:16-17.
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

Paul stated that all Scripture is sufficient for the man of God to know all he needs to know so as to do all that God wants him to do.  If this is true, and I believe it is, then what will a so called prophet reveal now that is not already found in Scripture?  I have to say that he could reveal nothing.  Thus, if man today needs more words than can be found in Scripture, then the above Scripture is false and we cannot trust all that is written therein. 

I submit that we should not look for so called modern revelations as if God has to give us more words from God.  We can and should look for God's hand in His providence for us and look to how He answers prayer, but that is not the same thing as looking for more words from the mouth of somebody claiming to be inspired and having a special revelation from God.
Well show me a scripture that says that God doesn't appoint prophets anymore. If there are still apostles, pastors, teachers, and evangelists, then why wouldn't there be any prophets. God speaks to and through us in many different ways through the Holy Spirit. As far as I'm concerned according to 2 Tim 3:16-17, it doesn't say that we have everything that we need in the Bible. If Paul meant that, then why didn't he just say that everything that we need is in the Bible rather than specifying certain things that the bible is for. If this is the case then what did we need the book of Revelations for since it was written after 2 Timothy.
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Psalms 91:7" A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee."

Ephesians 6:11-12 " Put on the whole armour of God, and that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2007, 01:13:25 PM »

angeleyes,

When Paul wrote those words in Ephesians, the Scriptures were not all written, and so the people did not have them all to fully teach them the will of God.  It was vital that those who had been appointed as apostles and prophets in that day go around and provide by inspiration what was not yet existent in Scripture, until it had been completed.

With the Scriptures complete, we can look to the writings and see the will of God and the ways of Christ when He was on the earth.  With the totality of Scripture we can be imitators of Christ without an apostle or a prophet. 

Consider this passage: 2 Timothy 3:16-17.
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

Paul stated that all Scripture is sufficient for the man of God to know all he needs to know so as to do all that God wants him to do.  If this is true, and I believe it is, then what will a so called prophet reveal now that is not already found in Scripture?  I have to say that he could reveal nothing.  Thus, if man today needs more words than can be found in Scripture, then the above Scripture is false and we cannot trust all that is written therein. 

I submit that we should not look for so called modern revelations as if God has to give us more words from God.  We can and should look for God's hand in His providence for us and look to how He answers prayer, but that is not the same thing as looking for more words from the mouth of somebody claiming to be inspired and having a special revelation from God.

the word does state, we live not by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of god.

 proceed here is used in the middle or passive deponent form,which in almost all cases is translated as being in the active voice.

 in other words: god is still speaking.
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2007, 01:52:47 PM »

God made it clear that God's spokespeople receive a mouth-to-mouth message from Him.
God clothed Himself with a human body called THE WORD in order to "let proceed" His Words.
The Apostles were witnesses of Jesus after His resurrection and were taught mouth-to-mouth or "face to face"
and validates that which "procedes" by supernatural signs. He gave THEM power to perform the same
SIGNS to validate their role as prophet or apostle.  The Apostles were both apostles and prophets.
None of us have seen Jesus the Christ unless "we" are getting aroused to madness.

Furthermore, Peter called Paul's writings Scripture.  He further laid down their REMBRANCE as the ONLY way to identify a false teacher: if he does not speak according to the Word, says Isaiah, it is because there is NO truth in them.  Because the church is "school of the Bible" there is NOTHING which arises which calls for a latter day revelation.  Jesus identified the sons of the Devil by saying "they speak on their own.  No one has ever claimed visions or audible voices who had not rejected the "once for all revealed Word" and NEEDED to enhance HIS ministry because he was an Apostate and Profit.

2 Pet 1:14 Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.
2 Pet 1:15 Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease
                to have these things alway in remembrance.
2 Pet 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables,
     when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
     but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
2 Pet 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory,
     when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory,
     his is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

This is the MARK that the Godhead is not a MOTHER of the DAUGHTER as most Babylonianism demands (Rev 17-18)

2 Pet 1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

2 Pet 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

2 Pet 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

That means that the "book is sealed" so that we can MARK anyone who "tampers with God's Word." Further expounding means that everything HAS been expounded which NEEDS expanding.

    Epilusis (g1955)ep-il'-oo-sis; from 1956; explanation, i.e. application: - interpretation.
    Epiluo (g1956) ep-ee-loo'-o; from 1909 and 3089; to solve further, i.e. (fig.) to explain, decide: - determine, expound.sophismatôn

2 Pet 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
          In 1 Peter 1:11 and Rev 19:10 the PROPHETS were guided by the Spirit OF Christ. 
          You cannot FURTHER REVEAL without denouncing God.

2 Pet 2:1 BUT there were false prophets also among the people,
        even as there shall be false teachers among you,
        who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them,
        and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 Pet 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways;
        by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

2 Pet 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words
        make merchandise of you:
        whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not,
        and their damnation slumbereth not.

Based on this and the "sorcerers" in Revelation 18, these ARE defunct spirits or fallen stars or wandering stars who caused the fall in the garden of Eden. There is TOO much information proving that "principalities and powers" still work as wolves or lions seeking people to ENLIST for Satan.

The synagogue in Romans 15 (even if we inject the singing word) demands that "we sing that which is written" defined as "Scripture." Nothing modern "prophets" claim is in THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN. The command for the elders was to "teach that WHICH HAS been taught." That leaves nothing to be revealed. Else we have to marek them as FALSE TEACHERS because FALSE PROPHETS Paul assigns to the Old Testament
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Paul stated that all Scripture is sufficient for the man of God to know all he needs to know so as to do all that God wants him to do.  If this is true, and I believe it is, then what will a so called prophet reveal now that is not already found in Scripture?  I have to say that he could reveal nothing.  Thus, if man today needs more words than can be found in Scripture, then the above Scripture is false and we cannot trust all that is written therein. 

I submit that we should not look for so called modern revelations as if God has to give us more words from God.  We can and should look for God's hand in His providence for us and look to how He answers prayer, but that is not the same thing as looking for more words from the mouth of somebody claiming to be inspired and having a special revelation from God.

"Scripture" is a large portion of what we commonly call today The Old Testament and probably the "books" of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.  These were literally inspired writing, not simply wholesome and truthful writing by Godly people (The Song of Solomon, for example) or writing with a spiritual slant (like the book of Esther).  TRUE scripture is indeed "profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."

The letters written by early Christians (books of the Bible that we have given "scripture status" to) are just that: letters.  They are treasures, certainly, and should be read and respected and honored, yes, but they are not "scripture".

We share in he same wealth, gifts and opportunity that early Christians were given, Paul, Peter, Timothy, etc.


the word does state, we live not by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of god.

 proceed here is used in the middle or passive deponent form,which in almost all cases is translated as being in the active voice.

 in other words: god is still speaking.

Amen!  (bold added by myself, for emphasis).
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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2007, 02:56:05 PM »

I praise the but I do not believe thee. The letters were "circular letters" intended to be read by all.
They contained the teachings of Apostles and Prophets whom Jesus promised to guide into all truth.
If you deny that they delivered ALL TRUTH necessary for we morals, then you deny Jesus who
promised to be with them.  The SPIRIT appeared to Paul and said that He was "Jesus of Nazareth."
Peter claims an eye witness validation.

I understand the present JUST JESUS mantra but that too will pass when their enablers grasp that
Paul promises to KNOW only a crucified Savior. That meant the MARKS as in 2 Corinthians of
a suffering servant. If your's does not have a GO button and is applauded rather than despised and rejected
then you cnanot be a member of the ekklesia or school of the Bible.

Jude 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James,
          to them that are sanctified by God the Father,
          and preserved in Jesus Christ,
          and called:

Jude 1:2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence
          to write unto you of the common salvation,
          it was needful for me to write unto you,
          and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend
          for THE FAITH which was once delivered unto the saints.

The REASON that you consider Scripture terminated with those Christ-ordained writers which were circulated
and circulating as far as China by that time is because:

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares,
          who were before of old ordained to this condemnation,
          ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness,
          and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this,
          how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt,
          afterward destroyed them that believed not.

None of the early churches which called themselves The Church of Christ depended on anything other than
the Epistles for faith and practice. Like us, there was a mass of commentaries and "sermons" which were
profitable for learning.

The latter day PROPHETS are disqualified because the only need to claim that power is they are PROPHETS.

Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they
          have gone in the way of Cain, and
          ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and
          perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Claiming the authority of the APOSTLES and Old Testament Prophets is the same claim that Miriam made:
God smacked here with a large dose of Leprosy. If you claim to be a prophet and cannot prove it Scripture
says that you have accumulated the Death (spiritual) sentence.

God still speaks as prophet when you can "Read the text and declare honestly: Thus saith the Lord."
Jesus said MY Words are SPIRIT and the are LIFE.  Because the name of the Spirit OF Christ is
Jesus Christ the righteous you MANY claim that Jesus the Christ is now CONTRADICTING Himself.
Danger, Will Robinson, Danger!

Jude referring to The Book of Enoch specificially identifies those taking the authority to form
mixed-sex choirs, playing musical instruments, putting on apparel and other decorations which
led--as 1 Corinthians 1 and Romans 1 makes clear--to the modern breakdown of gender.
Sure, even Plato knew the mark of the singers and harp players.
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