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« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2009, 12:43:50 PM »

There are outbreak such as that at Cane Ridge in 1801 but throughout history this has been recognized as hysteria always induced by singing, clapping and body motions. In some periods it was called witchcraft: in nunneries the contagion could spread and one priest cured it by splashing cold water in their face. Layard describes the Devil worship of Iraq "christians" which was produced and resulted in something identical to Cane Ridge.

Gregory of Nyssa, in the fourth century, makes the connection between ecstatic languages and the confusion of tongues at Babel. While within a given language at Babel others could understand, the point is that when people begin to speak strange, unintelligible languages the natural result is division and not unity.

"Donald Nugent...notes that the occult revival during the Renaissance and the present occult expansion have many factors in common. There is in both a degree of primitivism and psychic atavism, with an underlying substratum of despair. Both are eras where power is sought by the disenfranchised, especially women--Nugent comments that in the Renaissance one finds only one warlock for every 10,000 witches--and both have seen a growth of sexual license and pornographic literature." (Montgomery, p. 85).

Even though Francis Xavier (1506-51) spent a year in Japan learning the language in order to be able to preach, later traditions say that he claimed that he could speak in tongues to the Indians without having learned the language. Xavier later confessed that while in Japan he was unable to master the language and he communicated in sign language and by the use of interpreters. Other evidence is that even with interpreters he could not easily communicate with foreigners.

Of the children of Cevennes, France (1685 A.D.) it is claimed that they could preach in flawless French along with their high-wrought emotional experiences of faintings and swoonings. This reminds us of the girls in Old Salem days when ecstatic performances led to witchcraft trials and deaths. The leader in Cevennes was Isabeau Vincent, a twelve-year-old girl and while there were many who followed her example most of them were children.

"There is a report of the outbreak of ecstatic speech among the children of the persecuted Huguenots in the Cevennes region of France during the late seventeenth and early eighteenth centuries. This was accompanied by violent physical movements, denunciations of the Roman Catholic church and a call for repentance. Among the Quakers ecstatic behavior has occurred, as well as among the Shakers, founded by Ann Lee, herself a Quaker originally..." (Pack, Frank, Tongues and the Holy Spirit, Biblical Research Press, p. 10).

These "little prophets" also predicted the imminent return of Christ but of course like all later-day prophets they were false prophets. It is interesting that people described the experience as "strange sounds in the air; the sound of a trumpet and a harmony of voices." Paul makes the same connection between tongues and "speaking to the air" and "blowing the trumpet." Both of these terms were used to condemn ecstatic speech which carried no doctrinal content.
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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2009, 12:53:09 PM »

Thank you for your reply, Larry. I have not had that experience of speaking in tongues, but I have no reason to suspect that your experience was anything other than a genuine manifestation of the Spirit of God.

I guess what I am saying is that I would feel better about that if I knew that Christians throughout history have had experiences similar to yours. Do you know of any believer hundreds of years ago who spoke in tongues like you describe and wrote about it?



 well Paul does speak of this gift in the Bible and says that he had this gift and that he wished that we all had it as he did. Do you need to read about others having it as well as him?

Also in answer to a few others who seem to think it is some sort of mad babbling when we loose our minds,and cant control what we do, you are totally mistaken..This gift couldnt be more different.
I pray in tongues when I am out walking my dog, when I wash up, when I go shopping, or anything else that I may be doing. It is calm, normal and is just the same as praying with my own language except that The Holy Spirit is giving me the words so I can be 100% sure that I am  praying is right in the will of God.
Its really so simple and so normal and so special.
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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2009, 01:17:25 PM »

Here is my index to a badly neglected collection of documents.  Paul uses Isaiah 28 to prove that when you hear strange tongues it is a SOUND that the enemy (unbelievers) are trying to speak where Christ apparently failed to speak.

http://www.piney.com/AwkIndex.html

Peter left a record of eye and ear witnesses and marked anyone who did not teach that which has been taught as a false teacher.

These people have nothing of value to offer and prey on the weak and infirm which violates Romans 14 and makes the synagogue of "speaking that which is written" with one mind and one mouth impossible.

They measure themselves by themselves and are always false and needing some notice.  If Paul went into Thrace and spoke their tongue or dialect it would be to teach doctrine or knowledge.  None of these people have ever filled a page with information which adds a jot or tittle of new knowledge. Their exercise is only to prove to someone that they are IN the circle.  They would never risk their necks to go to Iraq and preach in their language. Let one of them set up a test outside of their circle.

Please tell me what you have added to the Canon?

Paul would never exercise a TRUE gift of languages in a CHURCH where everyone understood the language.

1Cor. 14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

2Cor. 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, [lifeless instruments]
     but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
2Cor. 10:5 Casting down imaginations,
     and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God,
     and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

     Gen. 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
     and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

2Cor. 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience,
     when your obedience is fulfilled.
 
2Cor. 10:7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance?
      If any man trust to himself that he is Christ’s,
      let him of himself think this again,
      that, as he is Christ’s, even so are we Christ’s.

2Cor. 10:8 For though I should boast somewhat more of our authority,
      which the Lord hath given us for edification, [education]
      and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed:

Mad ravings defines the world's FIRST profession.

"The development both of religion and of the arts can be traced back in a continuous line to the hunting era. The group ritual of the primeval tribesmen were the origin not only of all religious ceremonial, but also of the drama and of poetry and music, while magic gave birth to the visual arts." (Parkes, Henry Bamford, On Gods and Men, p. 30).

"Awed by the mysteries of his own spirit no less than by those of nature, primitive man was likely to attribute to divine influence any abnormal emotional state, whether above or below the usual level. Medicine men customarily went into states of trance in which they were believed to be in communication with the gods,

and many tribes supposed lunatics and sexual deviants to be divinely possessed
.  H. Bamford Parkes, On Gods and Men
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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2009, 08:41:06 PM »

Hi Mike,

A few of the statements of the church fathers indicate that they were aware of some miraculous activity in their day, speaking in languages and prophecying particularly.  The History of the Christian Church, by Philip Schaff records that speaking in tongues occurred among the Camisards, the Cevennes in France, among the early Quakers and Methodists in the Irish revival of 1859, and among the Irvingites in 1831. The Encyclopedia Britannica states that glossolalia (speaking in tongues) has recurred in Christian revivals of every age — among the mendicant friars of the thirteenth century, among the Jasenists and early Quakers, the persecuted Protestants of the Cevennes, and the Irvingites. 

The fifth century church father, Augustine of Hippo, was very insightful about the beliefs held by the early church regarding speaking in tongues and supported this view. From his comments about Acts 8:17-19, it was his assumption, due to his own experience in such matters, that Simon must have seen the Samaritans speaking in tongues. Augustine wrote, "We still do what the apostles did when they laid hands on the Samaritans and called down the Holy Spirit on them by laying on of hands. It is expected that new converts should speak with new tongues." (Augustine, vol. 4) 

Most Pentecostals and Charismatics generally agree that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is evidenced by speaking in tongues, and is separate and distinct from the birth of the Spirit (John 3:7), which occurs when faith is placed in Christ for salvation.

They believe that speaking in tongues is involved in four distinct functions: (1) As the initial, physical evidence of the baptism with the Holy Spirit (Acts 10:46), (2) as a spiritual prayer language which is used for personal edification (1 Cor. 14:4, Rom. 8:26-27), (3) as a special utterance gift to the church, which when interpreted, serves to edify the body (1 Cor. 12:10, 14:6), and as a miraculous sign for unbelievers (Acts 2:5-12, 1 Cor. 14:22).  Paul indicated that not all persons would have the latter "gift of tongues" used to edify the church or as a sign to unbelievers, but desired for all believers to be able to speak in tongues for personal edification. "I wish you all spoke with tongues..." (1 Cor. 14:5).

Sadly, as the church progressively fell into the "dark ages" the various manifestations of the spirit, including tongues, grew increasingly scarce, until the Reformation when there were small groups of Christians that began to once again believe that God desires to build his kingdom through the power of the Spirit.  The Huegenots (17th Century), Quakers (18th), and Methodists (19th) showed signs of such.  But the current Pentecostal beliefs concerning the baptism in the Holy Spirit did not find full expression until the early 20th Century.

Why did the church slip into the dark ages?  I believe much of it has to do with the church becoming the state religion, as well as the church rejecting it's Jewish roots and instead being based much upon Greek Philosophy, especially Plato which sought to elevate Reason and suppress Emotion and discredit those who appear emotional.  In many ways, Greco-Roman Christianity moved from being a religion of "being" to a religion of "thinking".  Instead of Christianity being primarily about character and how one lives one life, it degraded into simply mentally accepting the doctrines of the church, being obedient to church leadership, and performing the various sacred rites.  It lost it's vitality and became calcified. 

Salvation is far more than accepting a list of doctrines; it's embracing a real relationship with God!

Sherman,
Thank you for the detailed history lesson. That is just what I was looking for. I am aware of several instances of church fathers in the first 4-5 centuries speaking of miraculous manifestations of the Holy Spirit as present and expected. What I hadn't read was any early Christian mention of tongues speaking -- specifically as glossolalia, rather than speaking in a recognized language that the speaker had not studied.

Thanks again for your insight.
Mike
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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2009, 08:50:59 PM »

Thank you for your reply, Larry. I have not had that experience of speaking in tongues, but I have no reason to suspect that your experience was anything other than a genuine manifestation of the Spirit of God.

I guess what I am saying is that I would feel better about that if I knew that Christians throughout history have had experiences similar to yours. Do you know of any believer hundreds of years ago who spoke in tongues like you describe and wrote about it?



 well Paul does speak of this gift in the Bible and says that he had this gift and that he wished that we all had it as he did. Do you need to read about others having it as well as him?

Also in answer to a few others who seem to think it is some sort of mad babbling when we loose our minds,and cant control what we do, you are totally mistaken..This gift couldnt be more different.
I pray in tongues when I am out walking my dog, when I wash up, when I go shopping, or anything else that I may be doing. It is calm, normal and is just the same as praying with my own language except that The Holy Spirit is giving me the words so I can be 100% sure that I am  praying is right in the will of God.
Its really so simple and so normal and so special.

Chosenone,
Thank you for taking the time to reply. I appreciate your description of your experiences. I hope you don't think I meant to disparage speaking in tongues. I just seek greater understanding of something I have not experienced, and which is not practiced among the Christians with whom I have routinely gathered and worshiped.

I recognize Paul's description. However, even the description of tongues speaking in I Cor 14, which seems most amenable to interpretation as an "angelic" or spiritual tongue, could also be seen as speaking in a different language, just as occurred in Acts chapter 2.

Therefore, since the New Testament doesn't seem to be clear about this, what I wondered was whether there are ancient sources that more plainly describe the kind of tongues-speaking that you seem to practice as a spiritual gift.

Mike
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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2009, 09:58:01 PM »

Augustine wrote, "We still do what the apostles did when they laid hands on the Samaritans and called down the Holy Spirit on them by laying on of hands. It is expected that new converts should speak with new tongues." (Augustine, vol. 4)

It is true that Augustine discusses the First Century speaking in tongues, however, people are often careless when they have a dogma to defend.

St. Augustine , the great Catholic bishop from 396-430 A.D., near the end of his life, wrote in his famous work The City of God, "We shall do what the apostles did when they laid hands on the Samaritians and called down the Holy Spirit on them by the laying on of hands.  It is expected that new converts speak with new tongues."

I believe there is a vast difference between Augustine and the collections of out of context quotes.  I doubt that you can find anyone speaking tongues as in LANGUAGES and the recorded examples are attributed more to madness (as did Paul) than to God:

Apostolic Fathers

It is significant that the gift of tongues is rarely alluded to, hinted at, or found, in the Apostolic Fathers. The Fathers wrote to defend Christianity, to correct Christians, to explain doctrines, etc. after the death of the apostles. Yet they did not mention tongues in a favorable light, and for the most part, totally ignored them.

Some examples:

Justin Martyr (AD 100-165) wrote about spiritual gifts but did not mention tongues. He never mentions anyone speaking in tongues.

Montanus (AD 126-180) did speak in tongues, but was regarded as demon-possessed by Christians of his day (refer to the section "History of Tongues," Think on These Things, Vol. 5, Issue 3).

Irenaeus (AD 140-203) said he had heard that some spoke in tongues. He had, however, been influenced by the Montanists and did not speak in tongues himself nor apparently witness anyone that did.

Tertulian (AD 150-222) was converted to Montanism for a period of time. He wrote about one lady who spoke in tongues and was a Montanist. This was the last witness to tongues-speaking by any of the Church Fathers.

Origen (AD 185-253) said that in his day no one spoke in tongues.

Chrysostom (AD 347-407) made no mention of tongues being spoken in his day.

Augustine (AD 354-430) did not write of tongues being spoken during his life.
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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2009, 10:32:28 AM »

Sherman,
Thank you for the detailed history lesson. That is just what I was looking for. I am aware of several instances of church fathers in the first 4-5 centuries speaking of miraculous manifestations of the Holy Spirit as present and expected. What I hadn't read was any early Christian mention of tongues speaking -- specifically as glossolalia, rather than speaking in a recognized language that the speaker had not studied.

Thanks again for your insight.
Mike

Mike, you're welcome. 

Concerning whether speaking in tongues was understood to be speaking in known languages only, or also spoke of speaking in unknown languages, or making sounds that are not recognized as a known language, scripture does not specify either way.   Paul speaks of speaking in tongues and having one's mind be unfruitful, implying that the one speaking in tongues does not understand what he's saying.  And Paul in correcting the Corinthians misuse of tongues, mentions that those hearing the tongue do not understand it either.  Thus both the one speaking and those hearing do no understand what is being said and thus should pray for a miraculous interpretation of the tongue.  Paul also mentions the languages of both men and angels.  Do these things imply that every tongue must be some known human language?  I don't believe it does; rather, I believe it opens the door for people to speak in tongues in faith, trusting God even though one doesn't understand what is being said, but trusting that one is either praying, worshiping, or declaring the things of God in a language that one doesn't understand, whether they are pronouncing everything correctly or not. 

When I was initially baptized in the Spirit, I spoke in tongues, a language I didn't know or had ever heard, but what was interesting was I understood what I was saying.  I was magnifying and praising God, declaring my whole hearted faith and trust in Him, expressing how Great and awesome God is!  It was a powerful event in my life.   Since then, sometimes when I'm praying/worshipping in tongues, I've had other spiritual experiences too.  Sometimes as I pray in the Spirit, faces reel through my mind as I see the people that I'm praying for, for their blessing and salvation.  Other times, as I pray concerning a situation that I don't understand, understanding comes and a conviction of specific steps to take to address the situation. 

Praying in the Spirit (in tongues) has been a powerful blessing in my life, often serving as a small electric starter engine helping to begin operating in the other spiritual gifts like prophecy, healing, miracles, and words of knowledge and wisdom.  I thank God that I pray in tongues often, and with Paul wish everyone prayed in tongues.  It is an act of faith.

Blessings,
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Very nice Brother Nobels. I have copied your posts on this. Thank you.
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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2009, 01:36:17 PM »

Thanks Larry.  I'm glad they're a blessing.

It's very sad that tongues is such a devisive issue in the church - from both sides, those that affirm and those that deny the present reality of such.  I believe that we should always seek to be respectful and gracious with one another, though we disagree concerning our beliefs.  Respect, like love, is something given, not something earned. 

Blessings upon you and yours,
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« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2009, 02:00:53 PM »

St. Augustine said this which sounds like he is referring to singing in tongues:

Sing to Him in jubilation.  This is what acceptable singing to God means: to sing jubilantly.  But what is that?  It is to grasp the fact that what is sung in the heart cannot be articulated in words.  Think of people who sing at harvest time, or in the vineyard, or at any work that goes with a swing.  They begin by caroling their joy in words, but after a while they seem to be so full of gladness that they find words no longer adequate to express it, so they abandon distinct syllables and words, and resort to a single cry of jubilant happiness.  Jubilation is a shout of joy; it indicates that the heart is bringing forth what defies speech.  To whom, then, is jubilation more fittingly uttered than to God who surpasses all utterance?  You cannot speak of Him because he transcends our speech; and if you cannot speak of him, yet may not remain silent, what else can you do but cry out in jubilation, so that your heart may tell its joy without words, and the unbounded rush of gladness not be cramped by syllables?  Sing skilfully to him in jubilation.

On the other hand he also said this which implies tongues was only for the beginning:
" In the earliest times, ‘the Holy Ghost fell upon them that believed: and they spake with tongues' which they had not learned, ‘as the Spirit gave them utterance.' These were signs adapted to the time for there behooved to be that betokening of the Spirit in all tongues over the whole earth. That thing was done for a betokening and it passed away."
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« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2009, 03:59:50 PM »

Good post: Augustine quotes abound but it is hard to track down the actual Augustine writings.  Do you know the source.  I ran across some "proof texts" like yours which sounds convincing if you leave out In the earliest times.

Writers are often pretty silent about an "assembly."  I get great joy out of reading any of the older writers: most of them understood the Bible in most things. When you read and mark and link these documents it just never occurs to you to think: "Boy, bet we can do that in the assembly next week." The problem is that is just not enough time.

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Thus he, being magnanimous, possessing, through knowledge, what is the most precious of all, the best of all, being quick in applying himself to contemplation, retains in his soul the permanent energy of the objects of his contemplation, that is the perspicacious keenness of knowledge. And this power he strives to his utmost to acquire, by obtaining command of all the influences which war against the mind; and by applying himself without intermission to speculation, by exercising himself in the training of abstinence from pleasures, and of fight conduct in what he does;

    and besides, furnished with great experience both in study and in life,
    he has freedom of speech, not the power of a babbling tongue,

    but a power which employs plain language, and which neither for favour nor fear conceals aught of the things which may be worthily said at the fitting time, in which it is highly necessary to say them. He, then, having received the things respecting God from the mystic choir of the truth itself,

        employs language which urges the magnitude of virtue in accordance with its worth;
        and shows its results with an inspired elevation of prayer, being associated gnostically,
        as far as possible, with intellectual and spiritual objects.
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« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2009, 08:42:10 PM »

Thanks Larry.  I'm glad they're a blessing.

It's very sad that tongues is such a devisive issue in the church - from both sides, those that affirm and those that deny the present reality of such.  I believe that we should always seek to be respectful and gracious with one another, though we disagree concerning our beliefs.  Respect, like love, is something given, not something earned. 

Blessings upon you and yours,
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Sherman,
On that we can most certainly agree. I hope to learn, as well as to show respect and grace on this and other issues, just as I desire to receive grace and respect.

Thank you for your example.
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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2009, 09:02:20 PM »

I certainly do not mean any disrespect or even get into what people do or believe. My goal is to seek the truth and within my group as with others, scholars quoting scholars are often innocent enough but incomplete like "proof texts."  My goal--since I declare a pox on most institutes--is to bypass the scholarly flow of quotes and intend to believe nothing until I have tracked down the writings most often misquoted.

In my quick studies which I post my goal is almost never to quote from page number 12 of some modern book if I can track down the original.  With the internet it is usually easy to do that.  I have looked at too many of the "scholarly" or "encyclopedic" works within the church of Christ and find that the REST OF THE STORY would get them flunked.  Casual readers tend to believe anything in print.

The Augustine first quote above is his reading of Psalm 33.  I haven't found the other quote but I am still searching.

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« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2009, 09:37:21 PM »

I certainly do not mean any disrespect or even get into what people do or believe. My goal is to seek the truth and within my group as with others, scholars quoting scholars are often innocent enough but incomplete like "proof texts."  My goal--since I declare a pox on most institutes--is to bypass the scholarly flow of quotes and intend to believe nothing until I have tracked down the writings most often misquoted.

In my quick studies which I post my goal is almost never to quote from page number 12 of some modern book if I can track down the original.  With the internet it is usually easy to do that.  I have looked at too many of the "scholarly" or "encyclopedic" works within the church of Christ and find that the REST OF THE STORY would get them flunked.  Casual readers tend to believe anything in print.

The Augustine first quote above is his reading of Psalm 33.  I haven't found the other quote but I am still searching.

I apologize for my Engineer's approach: I like machines better than people especially if they have wires attached.
Good post. I agree.
I do hate it when a footnote in an otherwise scholarly work directs me to someone else's use of the quote in another work, rather than directing me to the original source.

And asking for sources was the point of this thread.
Thanks for your help.

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« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2009, 10:11:20 PM »

Thank you for your reply, Larry. I have not had that experience of speaking in tongues, but I have no reason to suspect that your experience was anything other than a genuine manifestation of the Spirit of God.

I guess what I am saying is that I would feel better about that if I knew that Christians throughout history have had experiences similar to yours. Do you know of any believer hundreds of years ago who spoke in tongues like you describe and wrote about it?



 well Paul does speak of this gift in the Bible and says that he had this gift and that he wished that we all had it as he did. Do you need to read about others having it as well as him?

Also in answer to a few others who seem to think it is some sort of mad babbling when we loose our minds,and cant control what we do, you are totally mistaken..This gift couldn't be more different.
I pray in tongues when I am out walking my dog, when I wash up, when I go shopping, or anything else that I may be doing. It is calm, normal and is just the same as praying with my own language except that The Holy Spirit is giving me the words so I can be 100% sure that I am  praying is right in the will of God.
Its really so simple and so normal and so special.

Chosenone,
Thank you for taking the time to reply. I appreciate your description of your experiences. I hope you don't think I meant to disparage speaking in tongues. I just seek greater understanding of something I have not experienced, and which is not practiced among the Christians with whom I have routinely gathered and worshiped.

I recognize Paul's description. However, even the description of tongues speaking in I Cor 14, which seems most amenable to interpretation as an "angelic" or spiritual tongue, could also be seen as speaking in a different language, just as occurred in Acts chapter 2.

Therefore, since the New Testament doesn't seem to be clear about this, what I wondered was whether there are ancient sources that more plainly describe the kind of tongues-speaking that you seem to practice as a spiritual gift.

Mike



  Mike no, I know that you are just wanting to know more and that's great.
 I suppose that I have been to several different churches in different denominations and know many people who do speak in tongues. My husband does as well as my son and most of my friends do as well. I am from the UK and am actually VERY English. The English are not given to over emotionalism and that's what I was trying to get over to you, as some seem to think it is some sort of ecstatic, out of control 'babbling' when the total opposite is true.

 I was at a women's prayer meeting on Monday and about 8 of us were there. We were all quietly and calmly praying in tongues at one point to our Father God who we love and His presence was so powerful. There really isn't anything 'out of control' about it, This gift is always within our control to start or stop as we will just as  praying in our own language is.While it is a spiritual gift, it is also very practical and useful as God himself is very practical as well as being spiritual.
I wish you well on your search, but please remember that no matter what The Bible says about it, there will always be scoffers and those who will tell you all sorts of wrong things about this gift. I cant understand it myself its a precious gift just like all of the other gifts and one that The Holy Spirit gives us. As for me, I want all the help that God will give me to live this life with Him.   
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