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How to redeem a tithe?
« on: Thu Aug 02, 2012 - 15:48:13 »
I was wondering a few things. Is giving to the poor the same thing as tithing? I think that it is, but I'm not so sure. And also, how do you redeem a tithe? Do you know the scripture from Leviticus that talks about redeeming a tithe? It says to add a fifth. But let's say for example that I missed tithing for three months. Does that mean to add a fifth to one of the months or of all three of them?

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Re: How to redeem a tithe?
« Reply #1 on: Thu Aug 02, 2012 - 15:54:24 »
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Re: How to redeem a tithe?
« Reply #2 on: Thu Aug 02, 2012 - 16:08:54 »
H Jacob
If I were you I would give to wherever/whoever you feel led to, and dont worry about the 'shoulds' and 'oughts' that some will try to inflict on you. The main thing is that we give.

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Re: How to redeem a tithe?
« Reply #3 on: Thu Aug 02, 2012 - 16:24:02 »
God does not need your money.  He really doesn't.  He will figure out how to get whatever needs to be done without your financial help.  A change of heart for a television manager, and BINGO, thousands of hours are suddenly available.  A working in a food chain president, and WHAM, twenty thousand children are fed.

The object of tithing is to teach us not to depend upon our money more than we depend on God.  If we withhold tithes because "We need the money this week for rent", or whatever, not trusting that if we went ahead and gave that money, we would be taken care of..... well the sinning is already done.  We told God, by holding onto that money last week, that we did not trust Him enough to go ahead and tithe it THEN.

Now, if you feel you WANT to give some money..... NOT OUT OF GUILT TO "CATCH UP" ON YOUR ACCOUNT SO YOU WON'T BE CONDEMNED.... then go ahead and give it anywhere there is a good need.  But do not make the mistake of thinking you are getting God's wrath off you by catching up on your payments.  He holds nothing against you for that.  He just wants you to learn to trust more in Him to be your provider.

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« Reply #4 on: Thu Aug 02, 2012 - 18:52:11 »
I was wondering a few things. Is giving to the poor the same thing as tithing? I think that it is, but I'm not so sure. And also, how do you redeem a tithe? Do you know the scripture from Leviticus that talks about redeeming a tithe? It says to add a fifth. But let's say for example that I missed tithing for three months. Does that mean to add a fifth to one of the months or of all three of them?

Thank you, Your brother in Christ,

Jacob

Giving to the poor is alms giving. Tithing is a payment we make to God---one tenth that goes to His house.

If you have neglected the tithe for any reason, there is no need to make up for it, unless He has told you to. Just start again. We aren't under the law.

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Re: How to redeem a tithe?
« Reply #5 on: Thu Aug 02, 2012 - 22:48:28 »
In Old Testament times tithes and offerings were goods, not money. To "redeem" one's tithe means to buy it back. Say one had given a bushel of wheat, for instance, and then decided he'd rather give barley. If the value of the two grains is equal, then he could exchange 1 1/5 bushels of barley for the 1 bushel of wheat, thus redeeming back his wheat.

As several have already said, this system does not apply to us.

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« Reply #6 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 02:25:08 »
I was wondering a few things. Is giving to the poor the same thing as tithing? I think that it is, but I'm not so sure. And also, how do you redeem a tithe? Do you know the scripture from Leviticus that talks about redeeming a tithe? It says to add a fifth. But let's say for example that I missed tithing for three months. Does that mean to add a fifth to one of the months or of all three of them?

Thank you, Your brother in Christ,

Jacob


Giving to the poor is not tithing.
Thats afree gift. A tithe is an obligation to God and is for ther work of God and the up keep of the' temple'

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Re: How to redeem a tithe?
« Reply #7 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 13:58:29 »
Is giving to the poor the same thing as tithing?

No, it is not. A tithe is one tenth of someone’s produce from either their land and/or from his herd. It is brought to the Altar and is devoted completely to the Lord. You then eat a portion of that offering and rejoice before the Lord at the Altar. But if you live too far from the Altar to bring your offering, you sell it and take the proceeds to Jerusalem to buy produce or livestock there. Then you take what you buy to the Altar and proceed with your tithe. (Deut 14:22-27)

Since the Levites have no land inheritance, the tithes coming in from the rest of the people are given to them to live on. But then the Levites must also dedicate a tenth of what they receive in a Heave Offering upon the Altar. (See Num 18:25-32) One simply cannot make a true tithe without the presence of the priests and the Altar.

And also, how do you redeem a tithe? Do you know the scripture from Leviticus that talks about redeeming a tithe? It says to add a fifth.


The tithe plus the fifth goes directly to the Levites and they tithe ten percent of that.


But let's say for example that I missed tithing for three months. Does that mean to add a fifth to one of the months or of all three of them?

Presently, we do not have an Altar to bring our tithes to. That will change very soon, but unfortunately the Anti-Messiah will not allow it to operate for very long. So until we are in the Kingdom and can properly tithe our increase back to the Lord, we can only give money and donations to others in need, or to support a ministry that adheres to your personal beliefs.

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Re: How to redeem a tithe?
« Reply #8 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 16:41:17 »
The Law of Tithing (as given to Moses)

1.   Only land owners (farmers) that were growing crops or raising cattle had to tithe.  It is called the tithe of the land (Lev 27:30), the tithe of the ground (Neh 10:37), or the tithe of the field (Deu 14:22; 1Chr 31:4-6; Neh 12:44).  Never the tithe of the ocean or river. People that did not own land could not tithe.  The only thing acceptable as a tithing offering were agricultural products like corn, wine, strong drinks, oil, tithe of the herd or of the flock like lambs, sheep, goats, etc.. (see Deu 14:23,26; 2Chr 31:6; Neh 10:37;  Neh 13:5,12).  The poor people that did not own any land could not tithe.  When Peter caught 153 fishes (John 21:11), he owed nothing as tithe offering because it is the tithe of the land, not the sea.

2.   Carpenters were not required to tithe 10% of their income.  According to the law of Moses, money was not accepted by God as a tithe offering.

3.   The Israelites had to give 10 % of their land products to the Levites because they did not have land as an inheritance, they had the Lord as their inheritance.
 
4.   Tithing was also given to the poor and needy (widows, orphans, newcomers to the land).  Tithing was part of God’s welfare program (see Deu 12:29; Deu 14:28-29; Deu 26:12-13).  The poor did not give tithe, the poor received from the tithe (see Deu 12:29; Deu 14:28-29; Deu 26:12-13).  To ask the poor to tithe is exactly the opposite of what God established in His Word.

5.   The tithing for the poor had to be placed at the entrance of the cities in Israel where the Levites and the poor will come to collect it (Deu 14:28-29).  The Levites will then bring the tithes to the Temple in Jerusalem, the only place where God accepted the tithes.

6.   The tithing offering for the Levite was only acceptable by God when it was presented to the Levites in the Temple of God in Jerusalem (see Deu 12:5-6,11,18; Deu 14:23).   I asked an orthodox Jew that worked with me if he tithed and he said to me: “I can’t, there is no Temple.”

7.   If the Jews lived too far from Jerusalem, they were allowed to turn their agricultural products (their tithe) into money (to eliminate traveling with produce and animals).  But once they arrived at Jerusalem, they had to turn the money into agricultural products before bringing the offering to God because God did not accept money as a tithing offering.  The reason was so that the tithing offering could be eaten before the Lord in his Temple. (see Deu 14:24-26).

8.   Because they had to bring their tithes to the Temple in Jerusalem, God did not make it a burden to those living far away from Jerusalem, to travel every week or every month to bring the tithe.  Instead, he told the Israelites that they had to bring their tithes once every 3 years. That year was called the year of tithing (see Deu 14:28; Deu 26:12; Amos 4:4).

9.   If the people failed to bring in their tithes in the year of tithing, they were commanded by the law to bring them back the next year of tithing (3 years later) with 20 percent interest.  To be financially accurate, twenty percent interest every 3 years translates to 6.3 % interest per year or 0.12 % interest per week.  It is not 20% interest added the next Sunday after someone missed the offering.

10.   The tithe or the 10th part of the agricultural products in Israel belonged to the Lord.  It really belonged to him because man put the seed on the ground, but it was the Lord that made it grow.  The Lord did most of the work.  That is why he considered it robbery not to give Him his part.  He had earned it, he did most of the work.  The Lord in turn, gave what belonged to him to the Levite and the poor. (see Lev 27:30; Num 18:24; Deu 26:12; Neh 13:5; Mal 3:8-10). 
 
11.   The tithe was defined as the tenth part (the last 10th, not the first 10th).  If a man had 39 sheep born in his farm, he owed 3 sheep as his tithes, not 4 (see Lev 27:32). 

12.   The Law of God required the Levites to give a tenth of the tithes that they received back unto the Lord. (Num 18:26).  This had to be the best of the tithe and the Levite had to give it to the priests that ministered in the Temple (for their consumption).

Because the Temple is no longer in place in Jerusalem and there are no Levites running a priesthood anymore, the laws connected with the Levitical priesthood and the Temple are no longer in effect.  That is why the Jews do not kill a lamb during Passover, no one offers animals for sin offerings, there are no more animal sacrifices because there is only one place where God would accept those sacrifices and the Temple is gone.  Tithing falls on the same category. The law of tithing is part of that group.  Rom 4:15; Rom 5:13 and 1 Jo 3:4 say that where there is no law, there is no transgression, and sin cannot be inputted where there is no law.  Because of that, since the Temple was destroyed and the Levitical priesthood disappeared, no one is robbing God of anything when people fail to bring their tithes (their agricultural products to the Levites in the Temple). 

          The current law of tithing preached in today’s protestant churches (requiring that 10% of our gross salaries belong to God and that we are robbing him if we do not do that) is not in the Bible.  That is a commandment of man.  God said that our heart is far from God and our worship is in vain when we teach as doctrines commandments of men. 

Do you want to know how we should all give?  Here is how.

2 Cor 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

It is all about the joy of giving.  We cant give what does not belong to us.  The tithe in the OT belonged to God, that is why it had to be paid.  People in Israel paid tithes, they did not give tithes.  Christians give, and we can only give, what belongs to us.  What we earn when we work is ours to give as we so desire (Acts 5:4; Rom 4:4).  God is into cheerful givers, not payers of tithes compelled by a man-made law.

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« Reply #9 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 22:11:59 »
God does not need your money.  He really doesn't.  He will figure out how to get whatever needs to be done without your financial help.  A change of heart for a television manager, and BINGO, thousands of hours are suddenly available.  A working in a food chain president, and WHAM, twenty thousand children are fed.

The object of tithing is to teach us not to depend upon our money more than we depend on God.  If we withhold tithes because "We need the money this week for rent", or whatever, not trusting that if we went ahead and gave that money, we would be taken care of..... well the sinning is already done.  We told God, by holding onto that money last week, that we did not trust Him enough to go ahead and tithe it THEN.

Now, if you feel you WANT to give some money..... NOT OUT OF GUILT TO "CATCH UP" ON YOUR ACCOUNT SO YOU WON'T BE CONDEMNED.... then go ahead and give it anywhere there is a good need.  But do not make the mistake of thinking you are getting God's wrath off you by catching up on your payments.  He holds nothing against you for that.  He just wants you to learn to trust more in Him to be your provider.


True!.....God doesn't need your money for all things are His already. He does however desire to  see how easily you will open your fist and give BACK TO HIM the portion in keeping with your income THAT HE HAS ALLOWED YOU to make using His earth. He doesn't need your money, He just wants to see where your treasure is, and where you put your trust. In your money that you are saving for your fleshly wants, or to help advance the kingdom of God by supporting your minister, and his needs whether it is for his personal needs, TV cost, or travel needs. If YOU are NOT willing to give up your life and go out and preach the gospel then you should help the brother who IS!
 We are to give to the saints in Jerusalem each week and that is what that collection plate is for. We are also told to give to your minister for the spiritual meal that he has left his paying job to be sure you have a filling meal for your SOUL come the Sabbath day which is on the 7th day Saturday and not Sun-day. It is all in the Bible but many just pick and choose the scriptures they like... and most don't want to part with their treasures they are saving up for their belly's to give to God. But that is fine, for they shall reap what they sow and Paul tells us that giving to the ministry work is helping to build the temple of God and will be accedited to the heavenly account to the people  who do give back to God. It is a shame that those who say they have faith in God, don't have enough faith to give to the cause. But.... they will go out of their way to give to UNGODLY CHARITIES that do not acknowledge God as the healer, nor God at all. They love to be seen by men giving to these godless causes for pats on the back.

1 Cor 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.

2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, AS GOD HATH PROSPERED HIM, that there be no gatherings when I come.

3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.
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Rom 15:25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.

26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.
27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.KJV

Gal 6:6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
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Phil 4:14 Notwithstanding ye have well done, that ye did communicate with my affliction.

15 Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.

16 For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity.

17 Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.

18 But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God.
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Re: How to redeem a tithe?
« Reply #10 on: Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 22:23:18 »
I was wondering a few things. Is giving to the poor the same thing as tithing? I think that it is, but I'm not so sure. And also, how do you redeem a tithe? Do you know the scripture from Leviticus that talks about redeeming a tithe? It says to add a fifth. But let's say for example that I missed tithing for three months. Does that mean to add a fifth to one of the months or of all three of them?

Thank you, Your brother in Christ,

Jacob


Giving to the poor is not tithing.
Thats afree gift. A tithe is an obligation to God and is for ther work of God and the up keep of the' temple'

Yes... we must give to help BUILD UP THE TEMPLE WHO the body of Christ is. It costs money for the MINISTER'S to travel, pay their bills, air time etc.... to TAKE THE GOSPEL TO BUILD UP THE TEMPLE.

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« Reply #11 on: Sat Aug 04, 2012 - 06:11:26 »
How to redeem a tithe?  You can't.  That is like asking: How do I kill a lamb for a sacrifice for my sins?  You can't. 

The temple is no longer in existence, and that is the only place where tithes and animal sacrifices are accepted by God.

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« Reply #12 on: Sat Aug 04, 2012 - 08:20:59 »
H Jacob
If I were you I would give to wherever/whoever you feel led to, and dont worry about the 'shoulds' and 'oughts' that some will try to inflict on you. The main thing is that we give.

I agree.  We are not under the law.  We are told to help the poor, God loves a cheerful giver etc.  No where in the NT are we told to give to support a church building and the institutional church. 
I attend a house church therefore we have no expenses and all our giving goes to help those in need.   

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« Reply #13 on: Sat Aug 04, 2012 - 14:21:53 »
DEU 12:5  But unto the place which the LORD your God shall choose out of all your tribes to put his name there, even unto his habitation shall ye seek, and thither thou shalt come:
6  And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes
, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks:
7  And there ye shall eat before the LORD your God, and ye shall rejoice in all that ye put your hand unto, ye and your households, wherein the LORD thy God hath blessed thee.
8  Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.
9  For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.
10  But when ye go over Jordan, and dwell in the land which the LORD your God giveth you to inherit, and when he giveth you rest from all your enemies round about, so that ye dwell in safety;
11  Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:
12  And ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God, ye, and your sons, and your daughters, and your menservants, and your maidservants, and the Levite that is within your gates; forasmuch as he hath no part nor inheritance with you.
13  Take heed to thyself that thou offer not thy burnt offerings in every place that thou seest:
14  But in the place which the LORD shall choose in one of thy tribes, there thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, and there thou shalt do all that I command thee.
15  Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee: the unclean and the clean may eat thereof, as of the roebuck, and as of the hart.
16  Only ye shall not eat the blood; ye shall pour it upon the earth as water.
17  Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:
18  But thou must eat them before the LORD thy God in the place which the LORD thy God shall choose, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates: and thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God in all that thou puttest thine hands unto.
19  Take heed to thyself that thou forsake not the Levite as long as thou livest upon the earth.
20  When the LORD thy God shall enlarge thy border, as he hath promised thee, and thou shalt say, I will eat flesh, because thy soul longeth to eat flesh; thou mayest eat flesh, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after.
21  If the place which the LORD thy God hath chosen to put his name there be too far from thee, then thou shalt kill of thy herd and of thy flock, which the LORD hath given thee, as I have commanded thee, and thou shalt eat in thy gates whatsoever thy soul lusteth after.
22  Even as the roebuck and the hart is eaten, so thou shalt eat them: the unclean and the clean shall eat of them alike.
23  Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood is the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh.
24  Thou shalt not eat it; thou shalt pour it upon the earth as water.
25  Thou shalt not eat it; that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, when thou shalt do that which is right in the sight of the LORD.
26  Only thy holy things which thou hast, and thy vows, thou shalt take, and go unto the place which the LORD shall choose:
27  And thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the LORD thy God: and the blood of thy sacrifices shall be poured out upon the altar of the LORD thy God, and thou shalt eat the flesh.
28  Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest that which is good and right in the sight of the LORD thy God.
29  When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;
30  Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
31  Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
32  What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Do not change the law of God of tithing to something that seems right in your eyes (verse 8), do not add to it, do not diminish it (verse 32).

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Re: How to redeem a tithe?
« Reply #14 on: Mon Apr 13, 2020 - 07:32:48 »
User Talking Donkey's detailed answer was spot on! I was hoping to get in touch with him as I would like to use his answer in a video and give him credit (if he wants it). Please e-mail me.

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« Reply #15 on: Mon Apr 13, 2020 - 08:35:08 »
User Talking Donkey's detailed answer was spot on! I was hoping to get in touch with him as I would like to use his answer in a video and give him credit (if he wants it). Please e-mail me.

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Re: How to redeem a tithe?
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Just a heads up,  Talking donkey has not been active on this board for about five years.  Your request may will go unanswered.

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