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How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« on: Tue Aug 10, 2010 - 15:09:32 »
 Hi to all , and my question to all , is how was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 .

 #1 , I believe that PAUL was saved by Grace !


 #2 , And many believers and Pauline Dispensationalist believe PAUL was saved under the preaching of what Jesus taught in Matt 4:17 , which was  "  Repent , for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand " .
 But , then PAUL'S hope would be in the MILLENNIAL  REIGN  of Christ in the 1000 years .

 #3 , Most will admit that something  HAPPENNED  to PAUL  in Act6s 9:6 , and will present what scripture reveals .

 #4 , Please notice that PAUL says " Lord , what wilt thou have me do .

 #5 , Notice that  PAUL called Him LORD ,  AND  1 Cor 12 :3 says " and no man can say that Jesus is Lord , but by the Holy Spirit ."

 #6 , This to me means that Paul  had already  RECEIVED  the Holy Spirit , otherwise Paul could  NOT  CALLED  HIM   LORD .

 #7 , This  confirms  what 1 Cor 12: 13  says and is true ,  " that we are all  PLACED  into the Body of Christ when we accept Jesus as Saviour .

 #8 , This means that PAUL/SAUL  was the first one saved by Grace !

  What say you ?

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #1 on: Tue Aug 10, 2010 - 15:11:10 »
Not sure what you're getting at.  Aren't we all saved through God's grace?

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #2 on: Tue Aug 10, 2010 - 15:16:37 »
Not sure what you're getting at.  Aren't we all saved through God's grace?

 Hi stevehut , and if you are talking about today , at this point in time , than  YES .

 Otherwise , in the OT or in the Tribulation or in the 1000 year reign , NO !

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #3 on: Tue Aug 10, 2010 - 15:18:37 »

 Otherwise , in the OT or in the Tribulation or in the 1000 year reign , NO !

Um, I thought we were talking about Paul and "all of us."

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #4 on: Tue Aug 10, 2010 - 15:21:21 »
Grace abounded in the OT also. God didn't change. He just revealed more of himself. Grace is present on just about every page beginning in Genesis.

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #5 on: Tue Aug 10, 2010 - 17:15:05 »
Grace abounded in the OT also. God didn't change. He just revealed more of himself. Grace is present on just about every page beginning in Genesis.

 Hi Jaime , and when I look up the Greek word for GRACE/CHARIS , where is it in the OT  ,because  PAUL is the Apostle of Grace , and he is the one who preachs  Grace !!

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #6 on: Tue Aug 10, 2010 - 17:17:18 »

 Otherwise , in the OT or in the Tribulation or in the 1000 year reign , NO !

Um, I thought we were talking about Paul and "all of us."

 Hi stevehut , and I was just answering your question or is your question a different one ?

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #7 on: Tue Aug 10, 2010 - 17:45:26 »
Dan, Grace might not have been called grace in the OT, but unmerited favor was exhitited by God all over the place. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were first class screw up, but God blessed them in spite of themselves. Did God not exhibit grace to David? A man who committed murder over a naked woman. Could God not have destroyed Adam and Eve? Noah had his issues also. Did God not exhibit much grace to Jacob and his son's even in light of the atrocious treatment of Joseph at the hand of his brothers?

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #8 on: Tue Aug 10, 2010 - 17:46:55 »
BTW, Dan the OT would not have the Greek word for Grace since it was written in Hebrew.

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #9 on: Tue Aug 10, 2010 - 18:21:18 »
For one to "arise and be" baptised, it would seem the Acts 2 method would be the mode.

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #10 on: Tue Aug 10, 2010 - 18:29:25 »
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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #11 on: Tue Aug 10, 2010 - 18:35:41 »
The question you need to ask is if Jesus baptized this man (Paul) with a dry baptism then why did he send him to Ananias?

It is clear that Jesus showed himself to Saul and Saul understood and believed and ask what is is he should do. That is clear it is written. Jesus answered go to the city and it will be told the what to do.

He clearly was not saved yet he was sent to be told what he must do to be saved. What was he told? And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Acts 22:16 (KJV) he had been there praying all this time waiting for Ananias but was told to do what? The same as the first 3.000 that was added to the church on the day of Pentecost.

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #12 on: Tue Aug 10, 2010 - 18:37:50 »
And to boot, the gift of the Holy Spirit is given upon repentence and water baptism.

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« Reply #13 on: Tue Aug 10, 2010 - 18:55:22 »
Why not let Paul do the talking.

Rom 10:12 For there is NO DIFFERENCE between the Jew and the Greek:

Rom 10:13 for the SAME Lord over all is rich unto all THAT CALL UPON HIM.
        For whosoever shall CALL upon the NAME of the Lord shall be saved.

HOW DO YOU CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD?

And now why tarriest thou? arise,
        and BE BAPTIZED, (sins are never remitted by faith only)
        and WASH away thy SINS,
        CALLING on the NAME of the LORD. Acts 22:16

     Rom. 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin,
                   but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
         Rom. 6:18 Being THEN made free from sin,
                    ye became the servants of righteousness.

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #14 on: Tue Aug 10, 2010 - 19:58:59 »
The question you need to ask is if Jesus baptized this man (Paul) with a dry baptism then why did he send him to Ananias?

It is clear that Jesus showed himself to Saul and Saul understood and believed and ask what is is he should do. That is clear it is written. Jesus answered go to the city and it will be told the what to do.

He clearly was not saved yet he was sent to be told what he must do to be saved. What was he told? And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Acts 22:16 (KJV) he had been there praying all this time waiting for Ananias but was told to do what? The same as the first 3.000 that was added to the church on the day of Pentecost.

 Hi yogi bear , and I have and OP , on Acts 9:17 and 18 , and will give my answer tomorrow as I do not have time today , dan p

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« Reply #15 on: Tue Aug 10, 2010 - 21:55:16 »
Acts 9:Ananias entered into the house and PUTTING HIS HANDS on him said, the Lord has sent me that you might receive your sight and be FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT and immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales.  Ananias placed his hands on Paul so that Paul would receive his sight and be filled with the Spirit...Paul received his sight BEFORE water baptism and so he could also have received the Spirit at the same time(by the placing on of hands).

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #16 on: Tue Aug 10, 2010 - 22:04:00 »
Except Peter said we get it upon repentence and water baptism.

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« Reply #17 on: Tue Aug 10, 2010 - 22:06:45 »
And if you READ the text you will see that the two are separated and identical to the day of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit is JESUS CHRIST THE RIGHTEOUS. Say that over and over.  The Holy Spirit therefore is the MIND of Jesus Christ.  Jesus transfers  HIS MIND through HIS WORDS so we can mark people who shoot crap for their souls.

THE PEOPLE ON PENTECOST WERE  SAVED BY PURE  GRACE  WHEN THEY OBEYED THE COMMAND OF JESUS CHRIST THROUGH PETER AN EYE- AND EAR-WITNESS WHO DARES YOU TO PRIVATE  INTERPRET  OR FURTHER EXPOUND TO PROVE THAT YOU ARE A FALSE TEACHER.

#4 , Please notice that PAUL says " Lord , what wilt thou have me do .

 #5 , Notice that  PAUL called Him LORD ,  AND  1 Cor 12 :3 says
        " and no man can say that Jesus is Lord ,
        but by the Holy Spirit


The word LORD means one in authority.
Paul did not know that it was Jesus (The Holy Spirit) speaking to Him
Therefore, he had  no Word or Mind  of the Lord by which he spoke.
He  would call the mayor of a town, lord.

Acts 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him,
        Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Acts 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord?
        And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest:
        it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.


Paul ASKED "Who art thou, Lord?
He didn't know that this Spirit Lord was Jesus of Nazareth.
Therefore, human imagination is always proven to  mislead and violates DIRECT  COMMANDS.

#6 , This to me means that Paul  had already  RECEIVED  the Holy Spirit ,
        otherwise Paul could  NOT  CALLED  HIM   LORD .


Acts 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said,
        [b}Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?[/b]
        And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city,
        and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

        The only thing he was TOLD what to do was to be baptized to WASH AWAY THY SINS.

      This is the same question those at Pentecost asked.

      Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this,
            they were pricked in their heart,
            and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles,
            Men and brethren, what shall we do?

The Holy Spirit has a  Name. Paul didn't know His Name. Therefore, Paul had received NOTHING.

        1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
                And if any man sin,
                we have an advocate (Comforter) with the Father,
                Jesus Christ the righteous:
        1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins:
                and not for ours only,
                but also for the sins of the whole world.


        1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him,
                if we keep his commandments.
        1John 2:4 He that saith, I know him,
                and keepeth not his commandments,
                is a liar, and the truth is not in him.


HERE IS A COMMAND WHICH PETER  HEARD IN MATTHEW 28

        Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them,
                 Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ
                 for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.   
         Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
                but he that believeth not shall be damned.

CONCLUSION:   If you do not KEEP His commandment and  teach others to be LAWLESS,
                                         John says you are a liar and you CANNOT speak the truth.
                                         The lake of fie has been prepared for liars.

HERE IS WHAT PAUL HEARD COMMANDED: NO DIFFERENT THAN FOR THE ALL PEOPLE

Acts 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
        and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord,
        even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest,
        hath sent me,
 1.    that thou mightest receive thy sight,
 2.    and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

Acts 9:18 And

1.   immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith,
2.   and arose, and was baptized.

      AFTER  WHICH he would receive the gift of A holy spirit
      fit to contain the WORDS of Jesus  Christ
      Which ARE Spirit and Life (John 6:63)

NOTICE THE SEPARATION IN ACTS 22

Acts 22:8 And I answered, Who art thou, Lord?
        And he said unto me,
        I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest

1. Acts 22:13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul,
        receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him
Acts 22:14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee,
        that thou shouldest know his will, (be filled with "spirit'")
        and See that Just One,
        and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
Acts 22:15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men
        of what thou hast seen and heard.
2. Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou?
        arise, and be baptized,
        and wash away thy sins,
        calling on the name of the Lord.
 
THIS IS THE SAME COMMAND PETER HEARD  FROM JESUS AND PREACHED TO EVERYONE

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them,
           1.  Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ
                for the remission of sins,
           2. and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost

Why do you suppose people do the hardest, most intensive, time-consuming WORK trying to prove that  God is going to save them as SPECIAL of the species by GRACE when GRACE is another name of Christ as PERSONIFIED which TEACHES us how to become OBEDIENT CHILDREN?

Many are called but FEW ARE CHOSEN: meaning that they are faithful disciples.
Disciples are STUDENTS of Christ's  Word: why would anyone choose you to go to ANY school unless you REQUESTED ADMISSION and fulfilled the requirements.

This TWO GOSPELS is the rankest heresy by people who will do anything to STEER people away from obeying the simple demands of Jesus Christ.

If you can't read  BLACK TEXT on BROWN paper just give it up: you do NOT have A holy spirit or A good conscience  promised  ONLY to those who convert  to Christ which is parallel to baptism
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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #18 on: Wed Aug 11, 2010 - 13:22:25 »

I was just answering your question or is your question a different one ?

Nope.  You threw in that OT reference, and I don't understand how it applies.  Was there ever a time when we didn't need grace to be forgiven?

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« Reply #19 on: Wed Aug 11, 2010 - 14:39:06 »
Blituri---

You said:

>>>And if you READ the text you will see that the two are separated and identical to the day of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit is JESUS CHRIST THE RIGHTEOUS. Say that over and over.  The Holy Spirit therefore is the MIND of Jesus Christ.<<<<<


The Holy Spirit is NOT Jesus Christ.  When Jesus Christ was being baptized in Matthew 3 you have Jesus Christ, the Spirit descending in the "form" of a dove, and the voice of the Father all in the same place.  Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit as "He" in John 14 and John 16.  The Holy Spirit is not the MIND of Christ-----that sounds like Christian Science teaching if you ask me.   That is not biblical teaching at all.

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #20 on: Wed Aug 11, 2010 - 16:00:44 »
Saul certainly understood the OT better than any Pharisee of his day, and probably better than most Christians of our day.  Saul thought he was doing God a great favor by arresting as many Christians as he could, and bring them bound to Jerusalem for punishment.  That is, until Saul himself was arrested by the Lord God of heaven.  

The Lord God of heaven spoke these words to Saul, "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?"

When confronted by the Lord God of heaven, Paul asked a very simple question, "Who art Thou Lord?"

The Voice then spoke back to Saul, "I am Jesus whom you are persecuting, but rise, and enter the city, and it shall be told you what you must do."

I believe the moment Saul heard it was the Lord Jesus speaking to him, something clicked in his spirit man, all the OT Scriptures which spoke of the suffering Messiah came together, especially Isa 53, and Saul was "born again" by God's Spirit at that very moment.  Everything else that happened to Saul after that, including changing his name to Paul, being filled with the Holy Spirit, walking in the gifts of the Spirit, Paul's missionary journeys, etc. flowed out of that initial recognition on the Road to Damascus that Jesus is reigning as Lord in heaven, and then allowing Jesus to be LORD in his life on earth.  

This is the essence of God's salvation to man in this Church age.

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #21 on: Wed Aug 11, 2010 - 16:15:55 »
Yes John 10:10 It certainly is something you must believe cause the scriptures clearly do not teach that. It is clear that Saul was sent to be told what to do. That is what the spirit teaches and had recorded for us to know.

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #22 on: Wed Aug 11, 2010 - 16:34:33 »
And if you READ the text you will see that the two are separated and identical to the day of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit is JESUS CHRIST THE RIGHTEOUS. Say that over and over.  The Holy Spirit therefore is the MIND of Jesus Christ.  Jesus transfers  HIS MIND through HIS WORDS so we can mark people who shoot crap for their souls.

THE PEOPLE ON PENTECOST WERE  SAVED BY PURE  GRACE  WHEN THEY OBEYED THE COMMAND OF JESUS CHRIST THROUGH PETER AN EYE- AND EAR-WITNESS WHO DARES YOU TO PRIVATE  INTERPRET  OR FURTHER EXPOUND TO PROVE THAT YOU ARE A FALSE TEACHER.

#4 , Please notice that PAUL says " Lord , what wilt thou have me do .

 #5 , Notice that  PAUL called Him LORD ,  AND  1 Cor 12 :3 says
        " and no man can say that Jesus is Lord ,
        but by the Holy Spirit


The word LORD means one in authority.
Paul did not know that it was Jesus (The Holy Spirit) speaking to Him.

 Did you look up the Greek word for LORD ???    KURIOS means  Jehovah !!   And I will adress your false PREMISE  with other OP , DAN P

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #23 on: Wed Aug 11, 2010 - 16:39:20 »
Except Peter said we get it upon repentence and water baptism.
True, however God upset Peter's plan and gave the Spirit before water baptism at another time(maybe God was making a point).

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #24 on: Wed Aug 11, 2010 - 16:52:32 »
Except Peter said we get it upon repentence and water baptism.
True, however God upset Peter's plan and gave the Spirit before water baptism at another time(maybe God was making a point).

Now that is a tale tell sign if ever I saw one. I know just how much credit to give the rest of your thoughts from this. Thanks for making it crystal clear.

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #25 on: Wed Aug 11, 2010 - 18:07:54 »

I was just answering your question or is your question a different one ?

Nope.  You threw in that OT reference, and I don't understand how it applies.  Was there ever a time when we didn't need grace to be forgiven?

 Hi stevehut , and this is not a blanket answer , BUT  PAUL IS THE  ONLY ONE  who reveals that there is a Dispensation of Grace , Eph 3:1-9 and in many other verses .

 Can anyone find where Jesus or the 12 used the words That  were given to PAUL  by the RISEN  Christ in Gal 1:11 -12  which is different than what Peter or the 12 preached , Gal 2:7-9 .

 Please look at what Psa 136 say , in 26 verses , " for his  MERCY  ENDURETH  for ever ."

 Look up the word for Grace in the OT AND IN THE Gospels , AND SEE WHO USES IT THE  most ??

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« Reply #26 on: Wed Aug 11, 2010 - 19:01:05 »

Romans 10:13  For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
 
Acts 9:5  And he said, Who art thou, Lord?

Romans 10:14  How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? 

Acts 9:6   Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?

Ephesians 2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
 
Hebrews 9:22  - - without shedding of blood is no remission.

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #27 on: Wed Aug 11, 2010 - 19:46:03 »

 Look up the word for Grace in the OT AND IN THE Gospels , AND SEE WHO USES IT THE  most ??

Not sure what that proves, dan.

Was there ever a time when men could be saved or forgiven by their own effort or merit?

If that answer hangs on the use of a particular word, that's a weak argument, methinks.

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #28 on: Wed Aug 11, 2010 - 19:56:03 »

 Look up the word for Grace in the OT AND IN THE Gospels , AND SEE WHO USES IT THE  most ??

Not sure what that proves, dan.

Was there ever a time when men could be saved or forgiven by their own effort or merit?

If that answer hangs on the use of a particular word, that's a weak argument, methinks.

 Hi stevehut , and in Heb 11:17-40 , it says  FAITH  and does not Eph 2:8 not say Grace through  FAITH ?

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #29 on: Wed Aug 11, 2010 - 20:02:09 »
OK dan, I'll bite.

Therefore...??

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« Reply #30 on: Wed Aug 11, 2010 - 20:34:23 »
GRACE is another name for Jesus.  He is the CHRIST of God, the WORD of God, the RIGHTEOUSNESS of God.  Here is a table  repudiating the notion that GRACE was taught by Paul. The silly assumption is that we are saved by GRACE ALONE which denies that the first gospel of the cross was intended for Gentiles.


The issue of WHAT MUST I DO is asked by Paul and by the people in Acts  2:37
The same answer is given in Acts 2 and to Paul in Acts  22

Repent AND be baptized FOR the remission of sins
Arise  and be baptized, washing away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Calling the Spirit of Christ a liar is a terminal blasphemy of the Spirit (Christ's)

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« Reply #31 on: Wed Aug 11, 2010 - 20:41:57 »
G2962 kurios koo'-ree-os From κυ~ρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title):—God, Lord, master, Sir.

He didn't call JESUS LORD because he DIDN'T KNOW WHO WAS SPEAKING TO HIM.

Jesus didn't say I AM GOD but Jesus of Nazareth.

Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens:
         but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord,
        Sit thou on my right hand,
Acts 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
        that God
        hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified,
        both Lord and Christ.

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #32 on: Wed Aug 11, 2010 - 20:54:18 »
Parables are  to fool the foolish: the  DOVE was to prove that  God's messenger was the SON of a  FATHER and not the DAUGHTER of a MOTHER.  SPIRIT never defines a person: the WIND is what "fluttered" like a dove but did not go INSIDE.   Now, the Spirit of God is NOT a Dove. Parables to fool the foolish.

1Cor. 2:10 But God hath revealed them
      unto us (apostles) by his Spirit:
      for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Now notice the equality:
 
1Cor. 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man,
         save the spirit of man which is in him?
         even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

The Spirit OF God is to God
What our spirit is to us
But, we (apostles) have the Mind of Christ.

And that Spirit (mental disposition) of God is:

1Cor. 2:16 For who hath
     known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him?
            But we have the mind of Christ.

The SPIRIT of the Lord is the MIND of the LORD: so means spirit or mental disposition.

Jesus promised ANOTHER Comforter (paraklete) in John 14 and then in 14:18 says I  WILL COME TO YOU.

The same John gives us the NAME of the Comforter:

1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
      And if any man sin, we have an advocate (paraklete) with the Father,
      Jesus Christ the righteous:

blituri

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #33 on: Wed Aug 11, 2010 - 21:48:56 »
Hi stevehut , and this is not a blanket answer , BUT  PAUL IS THE  ONLY ONE  who reveals that there is a Dispensation of Grace , Eph 3:1-9 and in many other verses

Not if you read the "rest of the story."

Eph. 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ
        for you Gentiles,
Eph. 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God
        which is given ME to youward:
Eph. 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph. 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Eph. 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men,
        as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

WHAT IS THIS GRACE?

Eph. 3:6 That the Gentiles
        should be fellowheirs
        and of the same body,
        and partakers of his promise in Christ
        by THE gospel: (sorry Baptists: just one gospel)
Eph. 3:7 Whereof I was made a minister,   
        according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me
        by the effectual working of his power.

TO WHOM IS THIS SAME GRACE EXPANDED.

Eph. 3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints,
        is this grace given,
        that I should preach among the Gentiles
        the unsearchable riches of Christ;
Eph. 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery,
        which from the beginning of the world
        hath been hid in God,

        who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Eph. 3:10 To the intent that now
        unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places
        might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
Eph. 3:11 According to the eternal purpose
        which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Eph. 3:12 In whom we have boldness and access
        with confidence by the faith OF him.

Being baptized FOR the remission of sins in Acts 2:38 is PURE GRACE.

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Re: How was PAUL saved in Acts 9:6 ?
« Reply #34 on: Wed Aug 11, 2010 - 22:41:20 »
Can anyone find where Jesus or the 12 used the words That  were given to PAUL  by the RISEN  Christ in Gal 1:11 -12  which is different than what Peter or the 12 preached , Gal 2:7-9 .[/b]

Gal. 1:11 But I certify you, brethren,
        that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal. 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it,
        but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Paul was a competent Jew and would have learned the prophecies from his youth. Paul needed very little more which Jesus of Nazareth let him SEE and HEAR Him and promised to be with him in the future. Paul was commanded to be baptized and he preached the gospel and baptized personally or  through other disciples.

Gal. 1:21 Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia;
Gal. 1:22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:
Gal. 1:23 But they had heard only,
        That he which persecuted us in times past
        now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
Gal. 1:24 And they glorified God in me.

SAME GOSPEL.

Gal. 2:1 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas,
        and took Titus with me also.
Gal. 2:2 And I went up by revelation,
        and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,
        but privately to them which were of reputation,
        lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

REMEMBER THAT PETER  PREACHED TO THE JEWS AND GENTILES:
DID PETER PREACH TWO GOSPELS?
NO:

Gal. 2:7 But contrariwise,
        when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me,
        as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

Galatians 2.7 alla tounantion idontes hoti pepisteumai to euaggelion tēs akrobustias kathōs Petros tēs peritomēs,

GALATIANS 2[7] sed e contra cum vidissent quod creditum est mihi evangelium praeputii sicut Petro circumcisionis

THESE ARE NOT TWO GOSPELS BUT TWO AREAS OF PREACHING.

Evangĕlĭum (eua- ), ii, n., = euaggelion.
I. Good news, Cic. Att. 2, 3, 1, written as Greek, euaggelia.—
II. The Gospel (eccl. Lat.), Vulg. Matt. 4, 23 et saep.

Euaggelion or Evangelium is mentioned only ONCE. Therefore, there is ONE GOSPEL.

That is because the ONE Gospel was  commanded to be  preached to ALL NATIONS

        Matt. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all NATIONS,  Ethnos: Gentile. Non-Jewish]
                baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
        Matt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things
                whatsoever I have commanded you:
                and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen

Peter preached that ONE GOSPEL to gentiles including Cornelius.
Notice that Paul is not speaking of TWO GOSPELS but two people sent in different directions. 

Gal. 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter TO the apostleship of the circumcision,
        the same was mighty in me TOWARD the Gentiles:)
Gal. 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars,
        perceived the grace that was given unto me,
        they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship;
        that we should GO unto the heathen,
        and they (SHOULD GO) unto the circumcision.
Gal. 2:10 Only they would that we should remember the poor;
        the same which I also was forward to do.

THE JERUSALEM CONFERENCE IN ACTS 15  PROVES THAT THERE  WAS ONLY ONE  GOSPEL.


 

     
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