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« on: May 23, 2002, 09:05:37 AM »

I totally agree with Wiley on this subject.  He expressed my thoughts exactly.
I would definitely leave out songs such as "I'll Fly Away".  All this song makes me think of is birds flapping their wings.

The Songs of Faith and Praise book is halfway to what I prefer.  But there are an awful lot of praise songs that i love that aren't included. Such as "Redeemer, Savior, Friend" and "Firm Foundation" etc.

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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2002, 10:55:17 PM »

[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (nerdneh @ May 23 2002,1:20)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]Eating humble pie is never a tasty task.[/quote]
Use Tabasco, then it tastes like chicken.

I just wish I gotten to come up as often as I've gotten my come uppance.
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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2002, 08:51:17 PM »

[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (marc @ May 31 2002,12:35)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]Glad's not Church of Christ, are they?  I know they're not strictly acapella.[/quote]
I'm not strictly acapella either.

Kebercer1 is DoC but not strictly instrumental.

We're becoming mutts!  :0
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2002, 06:00:02 PM »

Hadn't taken offense--just wondered if I'd left a wrong impression.  Janine, I've heard their "adulterated" stuff and like it also, although those acapella hymn arrangements are still my favorites.  btw, I also first heard of Acapella (the group, not the style) through contemporary Christian radio, not through the Church of Christ, although I was familiar with Keith Lancaster from back in his "New Life" (if I remember the name correctly; it's been a long while) days in Williamstown, WV.
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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2002, 08:24:11 PM »

Wiley, Lester Duncan sounds like someone I would like to know, but I don't believe I have met him as yet.

I know the "speaking in tongues" miracle at Pentecost was obviously God's Way of signifying a reversal of the Tower of Babel punishment. That is, that everyone, everywhere could have praise access to God. Whether with a click or with savoir faire. How did speaking in tongues become an individual trophy?
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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2002, 08:15:16 PM »

comrades:

describe your ideal hymnal, if you were the editor.

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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2002, 11:55:03 AM »

susieface:

gasp....say it isn't so! i like that song!
i'll settle for a paste-in for the inside cover.

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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2002, 09:20:49 PM »

A few years ago, I decided to try and upgrade the taste of the congregation I was preaching in in Nashville. We had fallen into a love of S-B songs, and in my naivete and arrogance, I suppose, I thought we would all be better off singing something with more substance and more of a Scriptural motif. But, how to do it?

I crafted a questionnaire, cleverly done I thought, and distributed it one Sunday AM to the eight hundred or so folks assembled there. I explained we were trying to get a feel for the tastes and preferences of the congregation (not all together untrue!).

The idea was to list your ten favorite hymns and why. That was the first part. Then, the second part asked that you then list the ten hymns that you believed were the most Scriptural and that upheld God and His glory most aptly.

My thinking was, that after listing the first ten, the group would be aghast at how poorly based on God's Word they were, as they earnestly compared them to their second listing. Of course, they would all be determined to go forward and embrace better and more uplifting taste.

Well, when I evaluated the questionnaires, I found almost everyone had exactly the same list. The first and the second were virtually identical.

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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2002, 10:04:54 PM »

Hey, now!  My excuse for being a mutt is French-Cdn on one side, and Scots-Irish on the other: I love toboganning (sp?)--you Southerners don't know what that is, not really  :p --and maple syrup; but I can sing "Oh, Danny-boy" on St. Patty's Day, too.

Seriously, I lead songs often in the congregation in the c-of-C style (shape the notes), due to a theatrical organist who shouldn't really be slaughtering tunes on the windox--and we have guitars, a cappella and all manner of loud sounds!
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2002, 04:43:18 PM »

I haven't the foggiest notion what religious heritage the Glad guys come from.  Seem to remember they had, ah,  adulterated their body of work w/ instruments, but I've never heard any of those songs!   :0  :p

As far as that goes, I'm sure the "instrupella" element of ACAPPELLA's work, the vocal sound effects, clapping, clicking, clucking, stomping... feel pretty adulterated to many in the church who have a more narrow view than I do...
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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2002, 07:02:28 PM »

I've heard New Creation perform along with Echo (who I've heard a few more times).  That was back in the early 90's and I haven't heard from them since--but I've been a bit out of the loop.  

I know Echo disbanded in the early 90's and I  heard not long after they were going to get back together, but I guess nothing ever came of it.  I know Hank did some backup on some of Acapella's stuff shortly after that.
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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2002, 11:08:41 PM »

I may need to work on that one a while, saving it in a file until I get it just right!

I know it would be pretty thick, but since the one my group uses now is well over 1000 songs (a few of those are choruses only, which irks me...), what could a few more hurt?

We'd have them for tradition/nostalgia, and to take with us to the funerals and nursing homes, because what I'd really love to see is the words & notes up on a screen behind the conductor/songleader.

Perhaps there'd be no pleasing everyone; my desire to have something of every music style under the sun would surely not be everyone's desire.

I'll stew on this topic and get back with y'all.  I look forward to the (assuredly more highbrow) suggestions & selections everyone else will post. :)
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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2002, 03:36:52 PM »

Wow!  That's a tough question for anyone to answer given the vast variety of preferences in music in the church.  I have been involved in song leading for more than 20 years so here is my view from the front as a song leader/worship leader.

Personally, I would like a song book that had about 10% of what I call the "majestic" songs of the 1600's-1800's (songs by Luther, Watts, Handel, Newton, etc), a good selection of Fanny J. Crosby songs with a few of the Stamps-Baxter-Gaither styles of music (10%), and the balance (80%)(and vast majority) of songs that are very contemporary written and sung by groups like Ken Young & Hallal, Zoe Group, New Creation, Acappella, Twila Paris, Rich Mullins, Michael W. Smith, etc., with emphasis on songs of personal worship, praise, and prayer/lament.  I would also include some devotional/responsive reading keyed directly to certain songs.

As far as song books presently in print, Howard Publishing's "Songs of Faith and Praise" makes it about 50% of the way to what I would like to see.  If SFP were edited to about 50% of it's present size, then Hallal's, Zoe's, and the other's I listed above were added in to produce a song book of the approximate size of the present SFP, and the full contemporary songs were published instead of just the refrains (eg: Step by Step by Rich Mullins), that would be what I have in mind.  I would also like to see the songbook have a matching computer database/midi program similar to SFP's with the added capability that when the song is converted to a Power Point file for projection the file would also include the four part music scores exactly as it is published in the printed book but broken into multiple slides for projection.

The song book and supporting programs of my dreams!
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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2002, 07:06:01 PM »

Somehow I'm reminded of the television commercial (excuse me for misquoting, but I tend to flip channels during commercials) where the man walks into the shop asking for a piece of music and is given outlandishly comprehensive choices.  The man asks "how is that possible?" and the shopkeeper responds "we have every piece of music ever recorded".

Maybe then we could produce a songbook that pleases everyone.

Personally, I admit I will never be satisfied.  I am always hearing new songs, new pieces of music of every style that I would add to my ideal hymnal.  And I hope worthy songs are still being written!
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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2002, 07:59:19 AM »

arkstfan, this is really stupid, but years ago a story went around that a particular congregation used white grape juice at the communion. They did this because one of their members owned a vineyard which had these kinds of grapes. (I suppose it really missed the symbolism badly).

Anyway, some rascal decided to substitute persimmon juice one Sunday. Everyone gulped it down without thinking, and supposedly the Song Leader stood up and said; "All stand, and let's whistle the Doxology."
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