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« on: Sun Sep 27, 2020 - 17:17:06 »
I was coming home from Pryor Oklahoma today after picking up a rooster to replace one I lost and noticed a baptist Church with the sign out front naming it as a Free Will Baptist church. I had never thought of it before as I have seen others in the past but for some reason this time it made me think.

I thought to myself this name seems strange to me for most all baptist I have discussed the word with do not believe in mans free will to chose salvation. Am I confused or do some branches of  the baptist believe man has a choice to chose salvation or are there some other free will in mind that I missed?

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« Reply #1 on: Sun Sep 27, 2020 - 17:39:48 »
Free Will Baptists are. LOT like CofC folks. I have a friend here in Midland that is a Free Will Baptist and we attend a Community Bible Study group (inter-denominational) here in Midland on Monday nights and we agree on a LOT!

https://nafwb.org/site/about/what-we-believe-2/

Primitive Baptist also known as Hardshell Baptist believe the same as the CofC concerning baptism. They even do acappella music with shape notes in their hymnals like the old CocC hymnals.
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« Reply #2 on: Sun Sep 27, 2020 - 19:55:29 »
...They even do acappella music with shape notes in their hymnals like the old CocC hymnals.
Well, that brings back some memories.


BTW, for years, there was a Regular Baptist church in town, but I noticed recently they changed their sign to Bethel Baptist Church. I'm not up on all the flavors of Baptists, so I don't know the difference.

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« Reply #3 on: Sun Sep 27, 2020 - 20:52:54 »
I was coming home from Pryor Oklahoma today after picking up a rooster to replace one I lost and noticed a baptist Church with the sign out front naming it as a Free Will Baptist church. I had never thought of it before as I have seen others in the past but for some reason this time it made me think.

I thought to myself this name seems strange to me for most all baptist I have discussed the word with do not believe in mans free will to chose salvation. Am I confused or do some branches of  the baptist believe man has a choice to chose salvation or are there some other free will in mind that I missed?

Baptist can be extremely vague.  Since baptists tend to be autonomous, wide variations in doctrines can result.

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« Reply #4 on: Sun Sep 27, 2020 - 20:53:53 »
The Campbells were with the Baptist for a while perhaps some of it stuck LoL

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« Reply #5 on: Sun Sep 27, 2020 - 21:19:34 »
As to a cappella music -

   I was brought up and brainwashed in the a cappella Church of Christ. They are very much like some of the Baptist branches - "true church only" - "no heaven later unless you surrender your church and join us," and a whole list of other sectarian and divisive ideas.

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« Reply #6 on: Mon Sep 28, 2020 - 02:25:08 »
As to a cappella music -

   I was brought up and brainwashed in the a cappella Church of Christ. They are very much like some of the Baptist branches - "true church only" - "no heaven later unless you surrender your church and join us," and a whole list of other sectarian and divisive ideas.

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« Reply #7 on: Mon Sep 28, 2020 - 04:13:16 »
I'm not up on all the flavors of Baptists, so I don't know the difference.
They have more favors than does Coromoto..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaaQXqf4YXM  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq0nmxQSfGE 

The favors of the Baptist are from "Hardshell to Free Will" and ALL in between! ::smile::
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« Reply #8 on: Mon Sep 28, 2020 - 04:34:47 »
Free Will Baptists are. LOT like CofC folks. I have a friend here in Midland that is a Free Will Baptist and we attend a Community Bible Study group (inter-denominational) here in Midland on Monday nights and we agree on a LOT!

https://nafwb.org/site/about/what-we-believe-2/

Primitive Baptist also known as Hardshell Baptist believe the same as the CofC concerning baptism. They even do acappella music with shape notes in their hymnals like the old CocC hymnals.
Actually, CofC was started by CALVINSTIC BAPTIST who backslide on God!  ::smile:: Well, I was kinda jesting but not totally. I have in my study one of the best commentaries on the book of Romans written by a man who was a very close friend of Alexander Campbell's father back in Scotland where they came from in the late 1700s~I read all the history on that thirty years ago or more, but have forgotten most. I have many friends connected with the Primitive Baptist~they like the CofC do not believe you are in the kingdom UNLESS you were baptized into THEIR CHURCH~now, the BIG difference between the two is this: The PB believe many are children of God who are NOT OBEDIENT children~and have NOT submitted themselves to water baptist BY THEIR MINISTERS into THEIR CHURCHES. Some of them take this UNCONVERTED ELECT way too far and believe MOST are children of God who show signs of JUST being religious even though in serious error.
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Primitive Baptist also known as Hardshell Baptist believes the same as the CofC concerning baptism. They even do Acappella music with shape notes in their hymnals like the old CocC hymnals.
Acappella is my favorite. PB movement runs in my family all the way back to the 1700s. But, I'm not part of them yet love many of them~like all others they have their pet doctrines.

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« Reply #9 on: Mon Sep 28, 2020 - 04:48:56 »
I was coming home from Pryor Oklahoma today after picking up a rooster to replace one I lost and noticed a baptist Church with the sign out front naming it as a Free Will Baptist church. I had never thought of it before as I have seen others in the past but for some reason this time it made me think.

I thought to myself this name seems strange to me for most all baptist I have discussed the word with do not believe in mans free will to chose salvation. Am I confused or do some branches of  the baptist believe man has a choice to chose salvation or are there some other free will in mind that I missed?


Greetings yogi my friend~95% of the Baptist churches believe JUST AS YOU DO, with an exception with water being the last stage....or step...of being born again. As a matter of truth~98% or more of professing Christendom believe as you do with the exception mentioned above. Those 98% would have MORE PROBLEM with me, than you, but they would have a problem with you for sure~with you, they would just argue, with me, they would hate me~and tell me that I'm of Beelzebub family. This is not guessing, I know first hand.

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« Reply #10 on: Mon Sep 28, 2020 - 04:53:48 »
The vast majority of Baptist (by far) in my region are Southern Baptist and they do not believe baptism has any efficacy other than joining their congregation. NOTHING to do with salvation whatsoever.

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« Reply #11 on: Mon Sep 28, 2020 - 04:56:22 »
I was coming home from Pryor Oklahoma today after picking up a rooster to replace one I lost
Well now, if old drumstick next door does not stop coming over and dropping his manure on my grass, I would box one up and send him first-class to Oklahoma. Keep me on your list.  ::smile::

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« Reply #12 on: Mon Sep 28, 2020 - 05:03:47 »
The vast majority of Baptist (by far) in my region are Southern Baptist and they do not believe baptism has any efficacy other than joining their congregation. NOTHING to do with salvation whatsoever.
The PB simply believes it is an ACT of obedience in order to receive God's best for you in this world~BUT, you must join THEIR CHURCH and be REBAPTIZED by THEIR MINISTERS who they say preach pure grace and THEIR church IS God's kingdom on earth. I have spoken face to face with three of their most prominent ministers who try to get me to join them since my doctrine understanding of Soteriology is the same as theirs.

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« Reply #13 on: Mon Sep 28, 2020 - 05:13:12 »
Within 200 to 300 miles of Midland, EVERY town is dominated by a Southern Baptist church, then a Methodist, then a CofC. There are a few scattered very small Primitive Baptist congregations.

By the way, there is a big Mennonite community not far from Midland and we used to have acappella gatherings with them. Not sure if all Mennonites are acappela believers or not.

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« Reply #14 on: Mon Sep 28, 2020 - 06:11:55 »
Well now, if old drumstick next door does not stop coming over and dropping his manure on my grass, I would box one up and send him first-class to Oklahoma. Keep me on your list.  ::smile::
Red He is just helping fertilize your lawn for free. You should be thankful.

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« Reply #15 on: Mon Sep 28, 2020 - 06:16:39 »
Red He is just helping fertilize your lawn for free. You should be thankful.
Is it good for Zoysia? Is it TOO strong? If not then he can bring his girls over with him?

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« Reply #16 on: Mon Sep 28, 2020 - 06:17:38 »
The PB simply believes it is an ACT of obedience in order to receive God's best for you in this world~BUT, you must join THEIR CHURCH and be REBAPTIZED by THEIR MINISTERS who they say preach pure grace and THEIR church IS God's kingdom on earth. I have spoken face to face with three of their most prominent ministers who try to get me to join them since my doctrine understanding of Soteriology is the same as theirs.
See here is what is funny. The coc get slammed as saying they are the only true church that will be in heaven but as I said all are guilty of the thought and that just proved it. I mean really if all weren't then there were would not be so much division right?

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« Reply #17 on: Mon Sep 28, 2020 - 06:21:23 »
Is it good for Zoysia? Is it TOO strong? If not then he can bring his girls over with him?
It would be to strong if you do a lot a little goes a long way.

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« Reply #18 on: Mon Sep 28, 2020 - 06:35:35 »
See here is what is funny. The coc get slammed as saying they are the only true church that will be in heaven but as I said all are guilty of the thought and that just proved it. I mean really if all weren't then there were would not be so much division right?
Yogi, the majority DO believe this~by majority, I mean when you include the EOC and RCC, Islamic, that within itself takes up the majority~from there most other faiths believe similar. Our Lord was outside of the professing religious sects of his day, and TRULY we cannot pinpoint any group that he was part of other than a BELIEVER in the word of God alone; his followers were called by two names: the sect of the Nazarene and simply Christians. You know the scriptures. BUT, that being said~names means very little: Chruch of Christ; Church of God; Church of the latter-day saints of Jesus Christ; or, Church of Midland Texas; Church of Greenville; or, the Church of Rome~if our doctrine is not according to the word of the Living God. A name over our meeting place is just that....a name and truly proves nothing. Those that worship God MUST do so in spirit~from our hearts and in truth, according to the word of the Living God. I would think most would agree with this conclusion.

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« Reply #19 on: Mon Sep 28, 2020 - 06:39:21 »
It would be too strong if you do a lot a little goes a long way.
Okay~it would be hard to tell Mr. Drumpstick to spread it evenly over all the grass. But he does keep moving for the most part...maybe I can speed him up a little with bringing some of his girls over he does like to chase them and catch them. I got an ideal~I can turn Mr. Cat-MAN-DO out, the old male cat and he will keep him moving.  ::smile::
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« Reply #20 on: Mon Sep 28, 2020 - 08:53:30 »
I have a bunch of mourning dove roosting in my front yard tree that overhangs my driveway and they constantly build poop stalagmites in my driveway. I could get my limit everyday indefinitely on these fat town birds. I hope they migrate away from here soon. Them and the infernal squirrels are relentless. I'm tempted to set out big mouse traps with peanut butter in them. I had a friend once that told me about “fishing” for prairie dogs. He would take a rod and real and a big weighted treble hook baited with peanut butter and cast out among the prairie dog holes. He said when they got ahold of the bait, they put up one heck of a fight!
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