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Re: IF YOU GET TO HEAVEN , WHAT WILL YOU BE DOING ?
« Reply #35 on: Mon Jun 20, 2022 - 16:02:31 »
In the parable of the Wheat and Tares in Mathew 13, who is taken first and what happens to them?

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« Reply #36 on: Mon Jun 20, 2022 - 19:29:18 »
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    Your Reply #33 is right on target. [Oh, no connection, but I have a Target Store right across the Street from me!]

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« Reply #37 on: Mon Jun 20, 2022 - 19:34:47 »
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Thank you for the additional information in your Reply #34.

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« Reply #38 on: Mon Jun 20, 2022 - 23:36:44 »
MORE ON THE “RAPTURE”

    Before delving further into the “Rapture” doctrine and its biblical authenticity, I think it wise that we identify the doctrine’s composition, for I do not wish to misrepresent. Let’s begin with the term “rapture.”

    1] “Rapture” is not found in any of our oldest Greek manuscripts. It has its origin in the Latin word “rapere,” which means to “take away,” “snatch out,” or “to seize.” We must not call “rapture” a biblical term for there is no Greek word that translates it—at least I haven’t found one.

    2] The idea is that Jesus will suddenly appear in the air to snatch away from the earth and take to heaven all living saints, as well as the resurrected bodies of those believers who have died.

    3] If you are on the roof of your house, or riding horseback, or in your car on a busy highway, or in bed with your spouse, you will be “snatched” or “caught up”—disappear all of a sudden. Your unregenerate friends and relatives will be amazed at your sudden disappearance. Cars will crash without drivers; planes will fall without pilots.

    4] At the “Rapture,” Jesus “snatches up the church” only. But at “The Revelation,” when He is revealed once again, He will “return with the church” and bring an end to the “Tribulation” and “Armageddon.” A thousand-year earthly government and reign will then commence.

    Does this sound like something you’ve never heard before? If yes, it is because you’ve never read it before—at least not in the scriptures. The scriptures used to support the “Rapture” are 1st Thessalonians 4:13-17, where Paul deals with the Lord’s return. Revelation, chapters 4-5, are supposed to capture the heavenly scene, and the 7-year “Tribulation” period, which follows the “snatching up,” is described in Revelation, chapters 4-19—or so allege the “Rapture” defenders. [More on 1st Thessalonians 4:13-17 in my next post.]

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« Reply #39 on: Tue Jun 21, 2022 - 09:45:09 »
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The hardest part about Heaven is not getting there, but staying there.

Some years ago it occurred to me that it's very easy for me to live in this world, but Heaven would require a level of piety and self control that I was pretty sure I couldn't keep up forever. Sooner or later I'd mess up and get thrown out. But if it were just as easy for me to live in Heaven as it is for me to live in this world, then for sure I'd never get thrown out of Heaven.

In other words: if only thinking, feeling, and acting like God came just as natural to me as thinking, feeling, and acting like a human; then that would be the cat's meow.
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« Reply #40 on: Tue Jun 21, 2022 - 11:55:26 »
Do you think that once you get to heaven, you might be thrown out?

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« Reply #41 on: Tue Jun 21, 2022 - 12:22:26 »
Do you think that once you get to heaven, you might be thrown out?

I used to have a great Aunt who believed this and spoke about it quite often. She also said we will feel sadness in heaven because "God couldn't wipe tears in heaven if there weren't sadness and tears."

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Re: IF YOU GET TO HEAVEN , WHAT WILL YOU BE DOING ?
« Reply #42 on: Tue Jun 21, 2022 - 12:38:52 »
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The hardest part about Heaven is not getting there, but staying there.

Some years ago it occurred to me that it's very easy for me to live in this world, but Heaven would require a level of piety and self control that I was pretty sure I couldn't keep up forever. Sooner or later I'd mess up and get thrown out. But if it were just as easy for me to live in Heaven as it is for me to live in this world, then for sure I'd never get thrown out of Heaven.

In other words: if only thinking, feeling, and acting like God came just as natural to me as thinking, feeling, and acting like a human; then that would be the cat's meow.
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Sounds like you don't understand the gospel in the slightest.  "Staying in heaven?"   ::frown::

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« Reply #43 on: Tue Jun 21, 2022 - 18:03:38 »
 But  there is  NO  Greek  word  for  RAPTURE !!

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« Reply #44 on: Tue Jun 21, 2022 - 20:14:01 »
But  there is  NO  Greek  word  for  RAPTURE !!

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Sure there is.  It's Harpazo.
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« Reply #45 on: Tue Jun 21, 2022 - 20:24:33 »
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God himself has made an excellent way to stay in Heaven that takes will power out of the equation.

Jer 31:31-34 . . Behold, the days come-- declares The Lord --that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which My covenant they broke, although I was an husband unto them-- declares The Lord.

. . . But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days-- declares The Lord --I will put My law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be My people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, "know The Lord" for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them

FAQ: The new covenant speaks of "My law". Where is it? When God codified the old covenant, He wrote its law on some tables of stone. Why doesn't the new covenant have tables of stone?

REPLY: Does anyone need a book of instructions on how to think, feel, and act like a human? No; their human nature manages all that for them. In other words: the law of human nature is in their inward parts and written in their heart. (Rom 7:15-23)

Now, supposing that instead of the law of human nature, there was a law of divine nature in their inward parts and written in their heart. How would they think, feel, and act then? Well; I can tell you, with confidence, that they wouldn't need a book of instructions to think, feel, and act divine because a law of divine nature would manage all that for them. Is what I'm saying possible? Yes.

2Pet 1:3-4 . . His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature.

That passage mentions "great and precious promises" relative to the divine nature. Where are they? Well, they're contained in the language of the new covenant quoted at the beginning of this posting. The promises are also contained in the language of Ezek 36:24-28 which says:

"I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and you shall be clean from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

. . . A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put My spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you shall keep My judgments, and do them. And you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you shall be My people, and I will be your God."
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« Reply #46 on: Tue Jun 21, 2022 - 20:34:46 »
Sounds like you don't understand the gospel in the slightest.  "Staying in heaven?"   ::frown::
Yeah, that's a load of rubbish.

Earth is the place that God prepared for man.  The new earth will also be a place prepared by God, for man.  Neither the current heavens nor the ones to come are intended to be our ultimate destination.

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« Reply #47 on: Tue Jun 21, 2022 - 21:57:39 »
PAUL AND THE "RAPTURE"

    If 1st Thessalonians 4:13-17 do not teach the “Rapture” creed, the entire core of the screenplay collapses. We agree that when Jesus returns, He will bring with him “those who have fallen asleep” [v.14]. Furthermore, we concur that when He makes His second advent, He will “snatch up” those of us still living “to meet the Lord in the air” [v.17].
 
    It is agreed further that those of us still living will not precede or go ahead of those who have died [v.15]. We will be caught up together with departed saints, after they have been resurrected from their paradise abode. These saints will accompany Jesus [“God will bring with Jesus,” v.14] as He gathers to Himself those who are still alive.
 
    This is where the agreement ends. Our premillennial advocates have Jesus descending twice, once to “rapture” saints and once more when He returns with them to put an end to the “Tribulation” and “Armageddon,” followed by a thousand-year earthly government.
 
    In this matter, they select a few highly symbolic passages from the Book of Revelation, tie them in with the Thessalonian verses, and the “Rapture stage” is ready to perform. Nowhere in the Thessalonian verses is it remotely implied that Jesus will descend twice more. Please keep that idea in mind as we examine this dramatic creed. For if, as stated earlier, these verses fail to advance the “Rapture” doctrine, it falls by the wayside.
 
    [Then what about the “Tribulation” and “Armageddon”? These two doctrinal features will be addressed later.]
 
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« Reply #48 on: Thu Jun 23, 2022 - 00:10:04 »
A Crushing Blow Against The “Rapture”
 Dogma [final]

    One of the most crushing arguments against the modern-day “Rapture” doctrine is 1st Corinthians 15. Of the 58 verses contained in this chapter, 85 percent of them deal with the resurrection. Yet, in all of these verses, not once does Paul allude to Jesus descending twice more. Listen to verse 23:
 
    “But each in his own turn: Christ, the first fruits; then, when he comes” [referring to one advent], “those who belong to him. Then the end will come.”
 
    It might surprise you to know that “will come” is not in the oldest Greek manuscripts. Literally, the verse reads, “Then the end.” End of what? End of time and tangible matter as we know them today. When that occurs, Jesus “hands over the kingdom” [reign] “to God the Father after he has destroyed all” [earthly] “dominion, authority, and power. For he must” [now] “reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet” [verses 24 & 25].
 
    Our “Rapture” enthusiasts say that Jesus will suddenly appear in the air to snatch away from the earth and take to heaven all living saints, as well as the resurrected bodies of those believers who have died. At the “Rapture,” Jesus “snatches up the church” only. But at “The Revelation,” when He is revealed once again, He will “return with the church” and bring an end to the “Tribulation” and “Armageddon.”
 
    A thousand-year earthly reign will then commence, as per the doctrine. Consequently, we have two future advents. It makes little difference whether Jesus’ feet will touch the earth during His first advent, “Rapture.” The fact is, there are two advents scheduled. The scriptures speak of only one.
 
    If Jesus is to descend twice more, as our “Rapture” brothers claim, please tell me why Paul failed to communicate that fact when he wrote at length about the resurrection? He alludes to one advent [verse 23], not two. He had every opportunity to say something about a second advent. He is completely silent on the subject!

    You see, if the scriptures fail to teach that Jesus will descend twice more, the contemporary “Rapture” doctrine falls short of evidence. And when a doctrine falls short of evidence, it is most likely of man and not of God. The “Rapture” doctrine falls short of evidence. It simply ain’t there!
 
    Jesus is now reigning over new Israel, the redeemed community. The new Israel was not meant to be earthly and external, as earthly kingdoms are, and her King was to reign in the hearts of His subjects, not from a throne constructed from earthly stones and materialistic hardware.
 
    Jesus states it far more exquisitely, “The kingdom” [reign] “of God does not come visibly, nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom” [reign] “of God is within you” [Luke 17:20-21]. Jesus reigns from His throne in heaven and in the hearts of His subjects, not in earthly Jerusalem at a future date. For then people would be able to say, “Here it is,” or “There it is.” And Jesus says this will not be the case!
 
    Within the next day or two, I hope to start a new thread on the “Tribulation” and “Armageddon.” Please look for it.
 
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« Reply #49 on: Thu Jun 23, 2022 - 07:00:22 »
Crushing blow?

The post does not at all refute the truth of LEFT BEHIND.   Read it, study it, learn the error of your ways.  ::tippinghat::

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« Reply #50 on: Thu Jun 23, 2022 - 10:04:20 »
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I have no interest in Heaven whatsoever. To me, it's a foreign country. I want to stay right here on earth during Messiah's 1000-year administration and visit all the places to which I have never gone, nor ever will go in this life; and to do all things I've never done, nor ever will do.

Can you just imagine having free rein of this planet with an immortal body and perpetual youth, and no fear of war, violence, poisonous snakes, toxic insects, or wild animals!? I can hardly wait. One of the first things I want to do is hike the triple crown: the Pacific Coast Trail, The Continental Divide Trail, and the Appalachian Trail. Yeah, Cirque of the Towers here I come!!!
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Dream on!

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« Reply #52 on: Thu Jun 23, 2022 - 12:01:52 »
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I would like to visit Heaven's library where everything that's known about the cosmos, and that can be known, is stored. Carl Sagan would've loved that library because he went to his grave with a lot of unanswered questions. But now they'll never be answered because Carl was, at best, an agnostic, and at worst, an atheist.
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« Reply #53 on: Thu Jun 23, 2022 - 12:15:33 »
Texas Ranger:

I advanced far beyond that LEFT BEHIND, in your Reply #49!

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« Reply #54 on: Thu Jun 23, 2022 - 12:19:36 »
A Crushing Blow Against The “Rapture”
 Dogma [final]

    One of the most crushing arguments against the modern-day “Rapture” doctrine is 1st Corinthians 15. Of the 58 verses contained in this chapter, 85 percent of them deal with the resurrection. Yet, in all of these verses, not once does Paul allude to Jesus descending twice more. Listen to verse 23:
 
    “But each in his own turn: Christ, the first fruits; then, when he comes” [referring to one advent], “those who belong to him. Then the end will come.”
 
    It might surprise you to know that “will come” is not in the oldest Greek manuscripts. Literally, the verse reads, “Then the end.” End of what? End of time and tangible matter as we know them today. When that occurs, Jesus “hands over the kingdom” [reign] “to God the Father after he has destroyed all” [earthly] “dominion, authority, and power. For he must” [now] “reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet” [verses 24 & 25].
 
    Our “Rapture” enthusiasts say that Jesus will suddenly appear in the air to snatch away from the earth and take to heaven all living saints, as well as the resurrected bodies of those believers who have died. At the “Rapture,” Jesus “snatches up the church” only. But at “The Revelation,” when He is revealed once again, He will “return with the church” and bring an end to the “Tribulation” and “Armageddon.”
 
    A thousand-year earthly reign will then commence, as per the doctrine. Consequently, we have two future advents. It makes little difference whether Jesus’ feet will touch the earth during His first advent, “Rapture.” The fact is, there are two advents scheduled. The scriptures speak of only one.
 
    If Jesus is to descend twice more, as our “Rapture” brothers claim, please tell me why Paul failed to communicate that fact when he wrote at length about the resurrection? He alludes to one advent [verse 23], not two. He had every opportunity to say something about a second advent. He is completely silent on the subject!

    You see, if the scriptures fail to teach that Jesus will descend twice more, the contemporary “Rapture” doctrine falls short of evidence. And when a doctrine falls short of evidence, it is most likely of man and not of God. The “Rapture” doctrine falls short of evidence. It simply ain’t there!
 
    Jesus is now reigning over new Israel, the redeemed community. The new Israel was not meant to be earthly and external, as earthly kingdoms are, and her King was to reign in the hearts of His subjects, not from a throne constructed from earthly stones and materialistic hardware.
 
    Jesus states it far more exquisitely, “The kingdom” [reign] “of God does not come visibly, nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom” [reign] “of God is within you” [Luke 17:20-21]. Jesus reigns from His throne in heaven and in the hearts of His subjects, not in earthly Jerusalem at a future date. For then people would be able to say, “Here it is,” or “There it is.” And Jesus says this will not be the case!
 
    Within the next day or two, I hope to start a new thread on the “Tribulation” and “Armageddon.” Please look for it.
 
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I often wonder what would have happened to people if for some reason Paul did not make it into canon of Scripture. No matter.

Or does it? When it seems as if Paul is the go to authority for all answers and commentary.

Buff,

What would you describe to be the meaning of Mathew 24:30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Reminding you that Mathew is often alleged to have been written and it is certainly reasonable to accept that Matthew was written in the 50s due to the reasonable assumption that Acts was finished before AD 64, with Luke coming before Acts, and Matthew writing his Gospel before Luke’s. And that most scholars generally hold that Matthew composed his Gospel in or around Antioch of Syria.

And First Cor was in about the same time span.  Written Between 53-55 A.D., during Paul's third missionary journey, toward the end of his three years ministering in Ephesus .

We know In Matthew 24 Jesus  addresses the topic of the end of the world. Jesus warns his disciples that the destruction of Jerusalem would be soon.

But  First Corinthians contains a frank discussion of the church and the issues that impacted real people in the first century. The Corinthian church was corroded with sin on a variety of fronts, so Paul provided an important model for how the church should handle the problem of sin in its midst.

Specifically we are told

1 Corinthians 15 is the fifteenth chapter of the First Epistle to the Corinthians in the New Testament of the Christian Bible. It is authored by Paul the Apostle and Sosthenes in Ephesus. The first eleven verses contain the earliest account of the post-resurrection appearances of Jesus in the New Testament. The rest of the chapter stresses the primacy of the resurrection for Christianity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_Corinthians_15#:~:text=1%20Corinthians%2015%20is%20the%20fifteenth%20chapter%20of,the%20primacy%20of%20the%20resurrection%20for%20Christianity.%20

You cannot cross reference these with each other as subject matter is different and if you insist it is not then I vote for Jesus over Paul any day.

And then there is that pesky 1 Thes 4: 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Allegedly written about the same time  Scholars who support its authenticity view it as having been written around 51–52 AD, shortly after the First Epistle.

So is Paul countering himself? No wonder he is confusing.

This, in and of itself sure leans rapture if that is what you are wanting to read.

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« Reply #55 on: Thu Jun 23, 2022 - 12:21:54 »
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    Your Reply #50 indicates a case of severe hallucination. Later, I will prescribe a biblical medication for you!

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« Reply #56 on: Thu Jun 23, 2022 - 12:29:09 »
Rella:

    Matthew 24 will be discussed in detail later when I start a new thread on “The “Tribulation” and “Armageddon.” In the meantime, your remarks and questions in Reply #54 are kindly appreciated.

Stay Tuned, please,

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    P. S. Oh, you asked, "So is Paul countering himself? No wonder he is confusing." I, personally, do not see him lingering in that category. I may have more of an explanation later.
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« Reply #57 on: Thu Jun 23, 2022 - 12:42:27 »
And then there is that pesky 1 Thes 4: 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Allegedly written about the same time  Scholars who support its authenticity view it as having been written around 51–52 AD, shortly after the First Epistle.

So is Paul countering himself? No wonder he is confusing.

This, in and of itself sure leans rapture if that is what you are wanting to read.
I think 1Thessalonians 4 matches up very well with Matthew 24.  ::headscratch::

In both cases, angels are sent to gather the elect together to meet Christ as He returns in the clouds.

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Re: IF YOU GET TO HEAVEN , WHAT WILL YOU BE DOING ?
« Reply #58 on: Thu Jun 23, 2022 - 17:50:34 »
  And  1  Thess  4:16  can  never  be  called  the  RAPTURE  as  there is  NOT   a  Greek  word  for  RAPTURE ,

Because  the  Lord  HIMSEL / AUTOS  is  a  PERSONAL  POSSESSIVE  PRONOUN ,  in the  NOMINATIVE  CASE  and is  SINGULAR andthat  means there are  no  ANGELS  ,  period .

 And  the  Greek  words  SHALL  DESCEND /  KATAINE  is  in the  Greek  FUTURE  TENSE , MIDDLE   VOICE and in the  INDICATIVE  MOOD   and  is  also SINGULAR  and  now  ANGELS  are  coming with  HIM !!

 You need to  read  2  Thess 2:1 on  account of  the  COMING /  PAROUSIA  and  our  GATHERING  together unto  Him .

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Re: IF YOU GET TO HEAVEN , WHAT WILL YOU BE DOING ?
« Reply #59 on: Thu Jun 23, 2022 - 18:32:45 »
Jarrod:

    "I think 1Thessalonians 4 matches up very well with Matthew 24.  ::headscratch::
In both cases, angels are sent to gather the elect together to meet Christ as He returns in the clouds."


Exactly, my brother, exactly!

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Re: IF YOU GET TO HEAVEN , WHAT WILL YOU BE DOING ?
« Reply #60 on: Thu Jun 23, 2022 - 18:35:26 »
  So  show  how  they  MATCH  UP , prove  it , if you can ?

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Re: IF YOU GET TO HEAVEN , WHAT WILL YOU BE DOING ?
« Reply #61 on: Thu Jun 23, 2022 - 20:46:57 »
  And  1  Thess  4:16  can  never  be  called  the  RAPTURE  as  there is  NOT   a  Greek  word  for  RAPTURE ,

Yes, there is.  It's Harpazo.  Greek and Latin are related languages, and this word is from the same root as the latin word for rapture.  DO you even read the replies?

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Re: IF YOU GET TO HEAVEN , WHAT WILL YOU BE DOING ?
« Reply #62 on: Thu Jun 23, 2022 - 20:48:30 »
  So  show  how  they  MATCH  UP , prove  it , if you can ?
I already did.  Reply #28.

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Re: IF YOU GET TO HEAVEN , WHAT WILL YOU BE DOING ?
« Reply #63 on: Fri Jun 24, 2022 - 14:49:36 »
And the  Greek  word  HARPAZO  is  not  found in 1  Thess 4:16 .

 But did  find it in  John 19:12  which  HAS NOTHING  to do with Jesus  COMING / PAROUSIA  back to  take  us  back , before that  DAY  OF  THE  LORD   in  2  thess 1 and 2 >

 The  context  of  John 10:12  is  about  ISRAEL ,  PERIOD !!

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Re: IF YOU GET TO HEAVEN , WHAT WILL YOU BE DOING ?
« Reply #64 on: Fri Jun 24, 2022 - 18:37:06 »
And the  Greek  word  HARPAZO  is  not  found in 1  Thess 4:16 .
Yep, it's in verse 17:

1Th 4:17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

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Re: IF YOU GET TO HEAVEN , WHAT WILL YOU BE DOING ?
« Reply #65 on: Sat Jun 25, 2022 - 10:14:55 »
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The supernatural circumcision spoken of by Colossians 2:11 makes it possible for a sinner to enter Heaven completely free of human nature, i.e. 100% sinless.

I wish the nuns had told me that in catechism as it would've spared me many years of anxiety relative to endless suffering in eternal flames.
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Re: IF YOU GET TO HEAVEN , WHAT WILL YOU BE DOING ?
« Reply #66 on: Sat Jun 25, 2022 - 13:36:41 »
And  I  did  not  check  verse 17 and the  Greek  word  HARPAZO  is used there ,  AND IN  VINE;S DICTIONARY can  not  find  a  Greek  word  for RAPTURE .

 And  you said that we  don't  go  up as the   SURVIVINGN ONES  will  be  caught  away at  the  same  time with  them in  clouds for  a  meeting  in the air  with the   Lord and it  means that the  Lord does  set  his  feet  on  earth .

 And the  Greek  word  HARPAZO is in the  Greek SECOND  FUTURE  TENSE , PASSIVE  VOICE and  in the  INDICATIVE  MODOD , in the  PLURAL .and the  PLURAL  means a  lot of people will  be  meeting the Lord  in  the  AIR >

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Re: IF YOU GET TO HEAVEN , WHAT WILL YOU BE DOING ?
« Reply #67 on: Sat Jun 25, 2022 - 21:16:44 »
And  I  did  not  check  verse 17 and the  Greek  word  HARPAZO  is used there ,  AND IN  VINE;S DICTIONARY can  not  find  a  Greek  word  for RAPTURE .
That's because rapture is a Latin word.  But Latin is based on Greek, and the Latin word here is based on the Greek word HARPAZO.  Notice the RP in the middle of HARPAZO? 

Same word, even if Vine's doesn't know it.

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Re: IF YOU GET TO HEAVEN , WHAT WILL YOU BE DOING ?
« Reply #68 on: Sun Jun 26, 2022 - 21:02:25 »
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I started out in life with really good eyesight. The stars appeared as little pin pricks of bright light, reading fine print was a piece of cake, and I could almost see in the dark like a cat. That all began to wane right around the age of 31 as astigmatism took hold.

Well; the astigmatism was an easy fix with glasses but then when I got older, cataracts crept up on me and driving my car became very hazardous 'cause my vision was like looking thru a foggy window. I couldn't read street signs in time to make a safe turn nor could I accurately judge the distance between mine and oncoming cars nor tell how fast they were approaching. So left turns became an adventure, to say the least.

These days cataracts and astigmatism are relatively easy to correct (if you can afford it) but there's just no substitute for good-quality natural eyesight.

I am looking forward to that day in Messiah's kingdom when I can once again see the stars as little pin pricks of bright light and the headlights of approaching cars are nice round discs instead of exploding fireworks.

Phil 3:20-2 . .The Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
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Re: IF YOU GET TO HEAVEN , WHAT WILL YOU BE DOING ?
« Reply #69 on: Tue Jun 28, 2022 - 11:06:44 »
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Isa 2:4 . . Neither shall they learn war any more.

That's bad news for folks obsessed with martial arts, and bad news for their favorite sensei and their dojos too.

Isa 2:4 . .They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation

In one of his speeches; former US President John Kennedy said:

“Every man, woman and child lives under a nuclear sword of Damocles, hanging by the slenderest of threads, capable of being cut at any moment by accident or miscalculation or by madness.”

The world has become a powder keg. There's easily enough nukes on hand that if detonated, would likely send us all back to more primitive times.

In a famous comment, physicist Albert Einstein said:

“I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”

In all my 78 years, I have yet to live even one decade free of the fear of war; but I expect to in Messiah's kingdom.
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