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« on: January 30, 2007, 01:57:31 PM »

Okay, many say that you are in sin if you drink, and are no longer a saint Priest.  Do you think it is wrong to drink and be a Christian? is it really a sin? And this is for discussion, so please do not assume it is me.
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« on: January 30, 2007, 01:57:31 PM »

 
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2007, 01:58:43 PM »

Don't we kinda' have to drink to stay alive?  Goes with the whole eating thing I think....

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2007, 02:08:18 PM »

I see nothing in the bible that says drinking is a sin.
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2007, 02:19:42 PM »

I do mean drinking alcohol.  I am just curious, because you hear some christians say that it is okay and some who have strong convictions who say, no this is the world's method, why do you want to drink? I have heard this debate with so many people.
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2007, 02:30:47 PM »

I know what you meant.  I was just havin' a little fun with you.  Disco

But to answer your quesion, I have no problem with drinking alcohol, although I realize some do have a problem with it.  I was raised to be vehemently against alcohol, and came to understand that such a stance stems from the prohibition movement of the early 20th century and has little to do with Biblical statements about consuming alchol.  Jesus's first miracle was turning water to wine, for pete's sake -- and none of the arguments about it being a watered down wine wash with me.  I've studied the matter in depth and can find no fault in those who enjoy a glass of wine or a beer occasionally, same as I can find no fault in those who might have a slice of chocolate cake or a cigar or even a doobie (though granted, the latter is illegal in the US and many other countries world wide).

All things in moderation, that's Biblical -- and moderation is the key.  We are not to be given slavishly to anything whether it be alcohol or religion or money or sex.  Jesus is our Lord.

But many people have a weakness for alcohol and I think it would be wise for those to people to consider abstinence.  I have a personal weakness for sweets and must carefully monitor how often I indulge as (and I'm serious about this), they tend to take over my life, even shadowing God at times.  We must all be careful in what we consume, physically, spiritually, emotionally, etc.
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2007, 02:32:55 PM »

In the Bible, drunkenness is condemned, not drinking.  I enjoy a glass of wine on occasion and haven't been really rip roaring drunk since I was a stupid teenager.  I don't believe God has a problem with me having a glass of wine.  Jesus turned water into wine at a wedding party.  Would he have provided it if drinking it had been a sin?

On the other hand, if you're in the company of those who think "drinking" is wrong, I believe the Christian thing to do is to abstain.  I also wouldn't go starting any big debates with the non-drinkers either.  It really only leads to conflict and bitterness, and God's not fond of those things within his family. 

Just my 2/100

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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2007, 02:33:33 PM »

To be honest with you love32, I'm a recovering alcoholic so I can't drink but even still I don't see it as a sin.  If alcohol is causing pain in ones life, then they might want to take a honest look at why they drink.  That's what I had to do.  Alcohol was a symptom for me for something much deeper.
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2007, 02:47:48 PM »

Thank you.  I agree with all of the statements as well.  I spoke with a young lady who is old enough to drink and she wanted to know what was wrong with it? For the first time, I did not give her my old religious ways, but took her to the Word of God to help her understand that she wouldn't go to hell for taking a sip of daiquiri that she tried.  She was raised totally different.  Now for me, my dad is an alcoholic and I did not like to drink for that reason, but later in life, I did try some wine.  Due to some health issues, my doctor even suggested wine.  I also agree with debating the WORD, totally not God and truthfully, the lost can't be won if we condemn them without understanding and wisdom. You are a great people Group prayer and I am sure you are mighty in the Kingdom of God!
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2007, 03:28:32 PM »

Okay, many say that you are in sin if you drink, and are no longer a saint Priest.  Do you think it is wrong to drink and be a Christian? is it really a sin? And this is for discussion, so please do not assume it is me.

Depends.

In an absolute view, no, drinking is not a sin. As someone else said, drunkeness is.

However, there may be situations in which it is. If you live in a conservative area and are known as a Christian, it might well be sin to set the wrong example in the eyes of others - especially if we did so intentionally.

Drinking is similar to every other behavior that is not sinful in and of itself. The appropriateness [and any sin attachment] is entirely dependent on who and where you are, and who's around you.

We do not have a "right" to drink.
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2007, 04:21:25 PM »

Well said, HR, as usual.  It is, I believe, a matter of wisdom and conviction.  What you do, do from faith and as one who lives wholly and holy for the Lord, with self-control and consideration for the weaknesses and strong beliefs of your neighbors--Christian and non.
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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2007, 07:22:07 PM »

I respect the "weaker brother" as much as I can.  I'm not very good at it but I keep trying.
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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2007, 10:49:57 PM »

How can we drink alcohol if we know that the Spirit of Christ is living inside of us plus the scriptures say to keep the temple which is the body,pure. Smile
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2007, 10:56:08 PM »



It's Otis the town drunk Oh my goodness  Rolling on floor laughing
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2007, 06:45:13 AM »

How can we drink alcohol if we know that the Spirit of Christ is living inside of us plus the scriptures say to keep the temple which is the body,pure. Smile

Does alcohol make the body anymore unpure than a Coca-Cola? 
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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2007, 07:38:07 AM »

Starla, I know that passage* has been used and abused to tell people that can't drink, smoke, or eat trans-fats in a Manhattan cafe, but the crux of that passage is about things far more grave and serious than what you ingest.  It's about sexual immorality, and it's whole point is that sexual sin defiles the temple of the Spirit in ways no other sin does.  It's important we not use it, twist it, and bang it into a tool to ban all things we don't like a person eating or drinking, or to motivate people to do more squats.  This I've seen often, and it is disrespectful to the passage, imho.

Drunkenness is absolutely a sin, according to the teaching of the apostles, and I sure don't think anyone here's denying that.  But drunkenness is not the result of all drinking of alcohol.  But even before you get to that, there's another fact at play--God condemned drunkenness, but blessed Israel with wine as a sign of His blessing, and even allowed alcoholic beverages at religious feasts in Israel**.  To condemn it 100% is to condemn actions of God, thereby rendering such an interpretation void, istm.

I believe, as I've previously mentioned, that this calls for wisdom and discernment and self-control, not man-made laws in the tradition of the Pharisees & Scribes.  If a person has chosen to abstain from all alcohol to honor the Lord and to protect oneself from possible sin, then more power to him/her.  There's nothing at all wrong with being a teetotaler as long as it's from faith, and as long as he/she realizes that it's a matter of personal conviction, not Scriptures that don't exist.  In fact, there are people who need to make that commitment to the Lord, because they are too easily mastered by their appetites. 

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* 1 Corinthians 6:12-20, "Everything is permissible for me" - but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me" - but I will not be mastered by anything. 13 "Food for the stomach and the stomach for food" - but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh."  17 But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit. 18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;  20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body." NIV

** Deuteronomy 14:26, "You may spend the money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires; and there you shall eat in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household." NASB
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