Stop right there
“Some thing”. Purgatory is not a thing.
Which makes the rest of your analysis questionable
Purgatory is a not an idea, nor an object, nor a place.
Purgatory (purgation, purification) is an action that occurs on the soul.
A soul does not have mass or dimensions so can it be said to exist in a place?
If we do accept for a moment that a soul exists in a place and Purgatory is an action on the soul, then its existence is only temporary for that particular soul whilst it is being purged. Moreover whilst it occurs in a place (where the soul is, if such can be said) it is not a place in itself.
Just because something happens in a place does not make it a place in itself.
If I file my fingernails the action happens on my fingernails. My fingernails are in a place but the filing happens in the place where my fingernails are. The filing in itself is not a place.
Quite often when people are confronted with their absurdities, in order to remain their biased point of view, they will resort to throw up new absurdities.
So is your response to my post.
There is a word for something that is not a thing, it's called "no thing" or simply "nothing".
The only thing that is no thing, is nothing itself.
We say: God made everything. What we mean to say is: God made all, everything that exists in this universe was created by God.
So, for Purgatory to exist, it must be part of this "everything"...or rather said "every thing".
Which means that Purgatory is a thing.
I am a thing, you are a thing, a bird is a thing, a house is a thing, an atom is a thing, air is a thing, ideas are things, actions are things...they all are part of the common denominator called "everything".
Now there are two kinds of things:
The difference between these two is that objects contain matter and space, whilst non-objects do not contain matter and space.
So, I am an object, you are an object, a bird is an object. An idea is not an object, an action is not an object. However, bot objects and non-objects are still members of the group called "things".
There are also two kinds of objects.
- conscious objects
- unconscious objects
Conscious objects are objects that can make something happen by choice. Unconscious objects cannot.
This is a little more complicated because we could say that earthquakes cause houses to collapse, but we know that earthquakes are not conscious. Earthquakes do not make this happen by choice. An earthquake does not "choose" to one day make something collapse, and the other day not.
The fact that a house collapses in an earthquake is more the result of the construction of the house, than the construction of the earthquake.
A cow however is a conscious being, it can choose to graze in the left corner of a field, or in the right corner.
The cow therefore can cause more dung to be present in the left part of the field than in the right part.
There are two types of conscious beings
An aware being (or aware conscious object) knows that if it grazes in the left corner of the field, it will create more dung there.
Well, a cow is not an aware consciousness, it will simply go where the grass is greener.
Having said all this, lets have a look at your claims:1. Stop right there. “Some thing”. Purgatory is not a thing.
As noted, this is an absurdity. Everything is a thing, the only question is what type of thing Purgatory is. Is it conscious and aware?
If Purgatory was not a thing, it would be "no thing" or simply "nothing".
And the only thing that really is nothing, is nothing itself.
If Purgatory exists, it must be a thing.2. Purgatory is a not an idea, nor an object, nor a place. Purgatory (purgation, purification) is an action that occurs on the soul.
If an action occurs, it needs a system in which it occurs. Actions do not occur by themselves, they are always the product of conscious objects.
You are trying to create grammatical discourse by saying that Purgatory is
the action of purification itself.
However I am willing to leave that aside for now.
Even if Purgatory is the action itself, it still needs a conscious object by which it can occur.
That fact that Purgatory happens on the soul, for now, is irrelevant because the soul does not evoke Purgatory, nor causes it to happen.
In other words, the soul is not the conscious object that causes Purgatory. The cause therefore has to come from outside Purgatory.
This is your second absurdity.3. A soul does not have mass or dimensions so can it be said to exist in a place?
Absolutely it must. The fact that the soul exist, makes it so that it has to be somewhere.
If it was nowhere, it would not exist.
We may not know exactly where the soul is, but we do know that it is somewhere. In daily life my soul is bound to my body.
So the place where my soul is would be my body. My soul is not your soul, and my soul cannot go out for a walk by itself.
My soul is strictly bound to a place, me! Where I go, my soul goes.
This changes after I die. My soul is separated from my body. It now can go somewhere.
There is one place however where my soul cannot go, and that is nowhere. If my soul would to go nowhere, it would cease to be.
If my soul would cease to be, then obviously there is nothing to be purified.
The only thing we do not know is where exactly does our soul go after death? We cannot pinpoint the exact location.
Fine, no issue there also.
For simplicity of reason, lets say that there are two universes.
a) The universe of God
b) Our universe
If the soul is somewhere, then obviously the soul must be in either of the two universes above.
So whatever happens, after death the soul is bound to a new place. Either God's universe, or ours.
As you can imagine, you can now argue that there are many more universes we don't know about and the soul goes there, but that would still mean that the soul goes to that specific universe.
And as we know, universes are places.
You could also argue that our soul will be everywhere and cross-universal.
But that would still limit the soul from being beyond any or all of those universes, hence the soul is bound to a place.
Now if the soul is in a place, then so must Purgatory be.
If purification of the soul happens in our universe, than that is where Purgatory is.
And if Purgatory is somewhere, it has to exist.
Mass or dimensions are irrelevant to being. Idea's exist, yet they have no mass or dimensions.
This is your third absurdity4. If we do accept for a moment that a soul exists in a place and Purgatory is an action on the soul, then its existence is only temporary for that particular soul whilst it is being purged. Moreover whilst it occurs in a place (where the soul is, if such can be said) it is not a place in itself.
Lets imagine my car breaks down and I cannot drive it to the repair shop. What I will do is call the repair shop and ask them to come to my house to fix my car.
The repair man comes, fixes my car and leaves.
In this analogy, you could say that indeed the repair of my car is a temporary action. You are correct there.
Where you are incorrect is to say that when the repairman leaves, he ceases to exist.
Obviously when the repairman leaves, he simply goes to another place. And at that other place he may in fact repair another car.
So the repair must happen at a place, it must happen somewhere. I could hardly tell the repairman to repair my car nowhere.
Hence, whilst purging can happen anywhere, it still must happen somewhere. We simply do not know where that location is exactly.
This is your fourth absurdity5. Just because something happens in a place does not make it a place in itself.
The only reason you have for saying this is because in your mind binding purgatory to a location, it must be a fixed location.
In fact all you do in this particular instance is provide support for making it a place in itself.
If the soul is somewhere and purgatory has to so to somewhere to start purging, then obviously the soul is the place where purgatory needs to go to.
Which follows that if purging happens in the soul and has no fixed place, then the soul is a place in itself in correlation to purging.
This is your fifth absurdity6. "If I file my fingernails the action happens on my fingernails. My fingernails are in a place but the filing happens in the place where my fingernails are. The filing in itself is not a place."
By itself this statement is correct. As support for your statements above, its a completely misconstrued analogy.