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IT IS ALL ABOUT PETER ?
« on: Thu Jun 09, 2022 - 18:18:09 »
 And just  curious as your answer ,  HOW  WAS  PETER SAVED ?

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« Reply #1 on: Thu Jun 09, 2022 - 18:41:34 »
Who’s answer?

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« Reply #2 on: Thu Jun 09, 2022 - 19:23:42 »
 We do know that  Peter was a  LAW  KEEPER , Gal 2 .

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Re: IT IS ALL ABOUT PETER ?
« Reply #3 on: Thu Jun 09, 2022 - 19:57:52 »
All the Jews were.

Paul said:
Romans 7:12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.
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« Reply #4 on: Fri Jun 10, 2022 - 17:08:32 »
 And  DO  you  agree that  the   Law of  Moses is  NOT   for  TODAY ?

 Was not the  Law  and  Ordinances  nailed  to the  cross ,  Col 2:14 ?

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« Reply #5 on: Fri Jun 10, 2022 - 17:24:09 »
I believe that pertains to the ceremonial or levitical law, NOT the 10 commandments.

Jews in the first century that became believers didn’t cease being Jewish. Christianity was considered a Jewish sect in the early days.

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« Reply #6 on: Fri Jun 10, 2022 - 17:44:48 »
And in  Col 2:14  all  ORDINANCES , were  Nailed to the  Cross .

 And in Col 2:16 says do  not  let anyone  JUDGE  you in  EATING or in  Drinking , or in  respect of a  FEAST DAY  , or a NEW  MOON ot  SABBATHS .

 Then in Rom 13:9  Paul writes  to  us , You shall  not  commit  adultery , you shall  not  murder , you shall  not  steal  , you shall  not testify falsely , , you shall not  desire after , and if there is any  different commandment , it is  summed up in this  word ,  namely , You  shall  love your  neighbor as  yourself ,  and  Paul this to the  BODY  OF  CHRIST and  NOT  to  Israel .

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Re: IT IS ALL ABOUT PETER ?
« Reply #7 on: Fri Jun 10, 2022 - 22:03:36 »
Love God and love your neighbor is a summation of the Law, not a replacement, the 10 commandments are still in play. Jesus said he didn’t come to abolish the Law, but fulfill it or fill it up. “You have heard it said do not murder, but I say to you do not even be angry.” Jesus RAISED the bar, he didn’t remove it. He filled up the letter of the law with the spirit of the law, which the scribes and pharisees had effectively emptied. Fulfill means fill full to the extent God intended. The filling full the law was what the entire sermon on the moint was about.

Gentiles are not a separate people under Christ, they are grafted on wild branches along with the grafted on natural branches that were broken off. We are Israel, the people of God, spiritual descendants of Abraham to inherit the promises made to Abraham.

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Re: IT IS ALL ABOUT PETER ?
« Reply #8 on: Sat Jun 11, 2022 - 05:38:13 »
And  DO  you  agree that  the   Law of  Moses is  NOT   for  TODAY ?

 Was not the  Law  and  Ordinances  nailed  to the  cross ,  Col 2:14 ?

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The law was not cancelled.

Colossians 2:14

(ESV)  by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

(KJV)  Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

(NASB)  having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.


What has been cancelled for those in Christ are the records of the debt owed because of sins; Jesus paid that debt with His sacrificial death on the cross.  The Law is still there; it is still in place.  In addition, because Jesus has paid that debt once for all, all the requirements for sacrifices set down under the old covenant priesthood are simply no longer in place.  The basic behavioral law of Moses still stands. For those not in Christ, the debt also still stands and must be paid; that payment is, of course, eternal condemnation.

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« Reply #9 on: Sat Jun 11, 2022 - 06:05:33 »
Bingo.

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Re: IT IS ALL ABOUT PETER ?
« Reply #10 on: Sat Jun 11, 2022 - 08:53:13 »
DanP, I look at it like Jesus paid all my past, present and future speeding tickets. The Speed Limit was not abolished, but my penalty for breaking it WAS paid in full; however since I love God, I will WANT to do what is right and drive the speed limit anyway if that is his will and instruction.
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Re: IT IS ALL ABOUT PETER ?
« Reply #11 on: Sat Jun 11, 2022 - 09:36:51 »
And  DO  you  agree that  the   Law of  Moses is  NOT   for  TODAY ?

 Was not the  Law  and  Ordinances  nailed  to the  cross ,  Col 2:14 ?

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What do you say is the reason Jesus came to earth and walked among the people as a man?

This should tell you everything you need to understand to answer why you are beating a dead horse.

Mathew 5: 17-19

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So the answer to your question about the Law of Moses is NO

The reason is because Heaven and Earth HAVE NOT PASSED.

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Re: IT IS ALL ABOUT PETER ?
« Reply #12 on: Sat Jun 11, 2022 - 12:58:35 »
  And  you believe that  Jew , in  Acts are  CHRISTIANS ?

 It is in  Acts  11 , the  first  time  the word  CHRISTIANS is  used .

And was  Peter  a  law  Keeper ?

 Was  Peter a CHRISTIAN ?

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Re: IT IS ALL ABOUT PETER ?
« Reply #13 on: Sat Jun 11, 2022 - 13:17:38 »
Their Sect which is the same as our “sect” was called the Way until they were call Christians at Antioch, which by the way wasn’t a term of endearment.

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« Reply #14 on: Sat Jun 11, 2022 - 14:57:26 »
And  just to  sure , was Peter  keeper of the  LAW  of  Moses /

 Yes he was  a  Law  Keeper ?
 No ,Peter was  not  a  Law  keeper ?

 which is it ?

 And how  was  Peter  saved under the  Law ?

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Re: IT IS ALL ABOUT PETER ?
« Reply #15 on: Sat Jun 11, 2022 - 15:35:20 »
No one was saved under the Law. Their sins were temporarily atoned for, but that had to be taken care of each year. I don’t think we are told how Peter was saved. Wouldn‘t you think Jesus himself could save him - forgive his sins and bestow the Holy Spirit on him?
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« Reply #16 on: Sat Jun 11, 2022 - 18:42:39 »
 And we  see from  Acts 10:28  that  it  was  UNLAWFUL  it  is  for a  Jewish  man to  join himself or  to  be come  NEAR a  Foreigner , and it shows that  Peter  was  a  LAW  KEEPER .

Then we  see  ythat  Peter  denied Jesus  three  times , in Luke 22:61 .

 Then in  Luke 22:31 Satan is  trying to have  Peter and sift  him .

In   verse I have  prayed for  thee , that b thy  FAITH  Fail  not and  remember that Jew    WALKED  BY  SIGHT .

 And  when thou  ART  CONVERTED ,  strengthen thy  brethren ,

 And   have  said  many times , Peter  was a LAW  KEEPER  as  Gal 2:14  is the  PROOF .

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Re: IT IS ALL ABOUT PETER ?
« Reply #17 on: Sat Jun 11, 2022 - 19:15:04 »
The purpose for Acts 10 was for God to DEMONSTRATE TO Peter and the other Jews that God had a plan for the Gentiles.

You don’t think Jesus would have thought to save the apostles??

DanP, please waste someone elses’ time. Or ask some other innane question?
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« Reply #18 on: Thu Jul 07, 2022 - 18:31:02 »
  And  am  sorry  that  you   should  SAWDER   me !!

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« Reply #20 on: Fri Jul 08, 2022 - 03:50:51 »
And  am  sorry  that you should SAWDER me!!
Dan, Jaime was not sending you a compliment, but an exhortation.
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And we see from  Acts 10:28  that it was  UNLAWFUL  it is for a  Jewish man to join himself or to become  NEAR a  Foreigner, and it shows that  Peter was a  LAW  KEEPER.

Then we see Peter denied Jesus three times, in Luke 22:61.

Then in  Luke 22:31, Satan is trying to have Peter and to sift him.

In verse, I have prayed for thee, by thy FAITH Fail not and remember that Jew WALKED BY SIGHT.

And  when thou ART CONVERTED, strengthen thy  brethren,

And have said many times, that Peter was a LAW KEEPER as Gal 2:14  is the  PROOF.
Dan, you are confused on many NT doctrines, and please, no pun intended, but the truth is truth. Even your posts are poorly written and many times it's hard to know exactly what your intentions are that you desire for us to consider.  Maybe because you are not from our nation and that's understandable, I take the time to correct all of them which I desire to speak to you to make them pretty to read.

Peter, like all of us, delighted in the law of God, yet we as NT Christian know how to lawfully use the law, because the law is good, holy, and spiritual.
Quote from: Paul
1st Timonthy 1:8~"But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;"
Peter was converted and saw clearly the proper use of God's holy law. All of the apostles spoke with one tongue, it is folks like you that confuse the minds of the righteous. Maybe not intentional, nevertheless, you do by your own lack of knowledge of the truth.
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"No one was saved under the Law. Their sins were temporarily atoned for, but that had to be taken care of each year. "
Brother, you need to reconsider your words/understanding on this subject. Every child of God since righteous Abel was born again (saved from their sins and the condemnation of God's holy law) the same manner as all of us are today. By grace through the obedience of Jesus Christ. The main difference between us to them is the system under which they lived~they look forward to the coming of the Saviour of the world, we look back and declared it was FINISHED when Jesus died and was resurrected. BOTH OT and NT saints knew Christ was a Lamb slain since the foundation of the world!
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Revelation 13:8~"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."
They had their system of animal sacrifices, etc., etc., that reminded them of their sins every year, because of the continuous offerings that were required under the OT. Nevertheless, those who knew the truth, could and did rejoice in the blessedness of the man to whom God did not input sin because of his free grace based upon the redemption that was in Jesus Christ...coming, or past. Read Psalms 32 and compare Romans 4:1-4. David taught Israel (the very elect among them) to sing of God's faithfulness in providing and securing the forgiveness of their sins through Jesus Christ~Read Psalm 89.
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I don’t think we are told how Peter was saved.
We do not need to be told about each and every child of God, WE KNOW~we are children of God's promises, and in the very same manner in which Isaca was born naturally, are we born spiritually. Read Galatians 4:21-31. God's oath and promises of grace were brought about by his Almighty power and faithfulness. (Again, read Psalm 89 )
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Wouldn‘t you think Jesus himself could save him - forgive his sins and bestow the Holy Spirit on him
I do not think.... we all should know clearly the answer.
Quote from: JESUS CHRIST
Matthew 16:13-17~"When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."
Jesus' words should be the final authority on this point. It is for me and my house.
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Re: IT IS ALL ABOUT PETER ?
« Reply #21 on: Fri Jul 08, 2022 - 07:41:09 »
I agree Red, the old testament folks were saved by grace because of their faith. My point was their sins were rolled forward by the attonement of the animal sacrifices. That didn’t “save” them in the sense we think about saved, but their sins were definitely rolled forward in that manner on a year by year basis. Abraham’s faith was definitely counted as righteousness, which ours is as well. The blood of Jesus once and for all handles our sin problem.
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« Reply #22 on: Fri Jul 08, 2022 - 10:07:45 »
I am not sure where the idea of sins being rolled forward comes from.  Their sins were forgiven, They did have to repeat the sacrifices every year; but that wasn't for sins already forgiven.  Jesus had not yet endured the punishment for the sins of the world, but their sins were forgiven.

That is not unlike the baptism of John which was for the forgiveness of sin.  There is no indication that forgiveness was "rolled" forward. But again, Jesus' payment for the sins of the world was indeed in the future but forgiveness was there.

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« Reply #23 on: Fri Jul 08, 2022 - 11:20:21 »
I always heard that the sacrifices accomplished attonement for one year when thebhigh priest sprinkled blood on the mercy seat. I also was taught that Jesus’s sacrifice “handled” the sins once and for all. May have all been bogus. Especially for a group that basically felt the Old Teatament had little to no value.

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« Reply #24 on: Fri Jul 08, 2022 - 11:38:42 »
And  just to  sure , was Peter  keeper of the  LAW  of  Moses /
Yes he was; as were James and Paul.
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And how  was  Peter  saved under the  Law ?
Who said anything about UNDER the Law?

Obeying the Law and being UNDER the Law are 2 different things.


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« Reply #25 on: Fri Jul 08, 2022 - 11:40:49 »
And we  see from  Acts 10:28  that  it  was  UNLAWFUL  it  is  for a  Jewish  man to  join himself or  to  be come  NEAR a  Foreigner ,...

OK - tell me where that Law was written. 

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« Reply #26 on: Fri Jul 08, 2022 - 13:08:43 »
The  Mosaic  Covenant  #1  given  to  Israel  #2  in 3  divisions ,  each  essential to  the  others , and  together   forming  the  Mosaic  Covenant , the  commandments and  expressing the  righteous   will  of  God  , in  Ex 20:1-26  the n Judgments ,  governing the  religious life  of  Israel ,  Ex 24:12-31 .

Thesenn3n elements form  the  LAW .

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The  Mosaic  Covenant  #1  given  to  Israel  #2  in 3  divisions ,  each  essential to  the  others , and  together   forming  the  Mosaic  Covenant , the  commandments and  expressing the  righteous   will  of  God  , in  Ex 20:1-26  the n Judgments ,  governing the  religious life  of  Israel ,  Ex 24:12-31 .

Thesenn3n elements form  the  LAW .
To the point at hand, where does any of that say it is not allowed to be near a gentile or go into his house?

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« Reply #28 on: Mon Jul 11, 2022 - 14:45:10 »
  And it is  found in  Acts 10:28 , And  He  (  Peter )  declared to  them ,  You  understand how  UNLAWFUL  it is for  a  JEWISH  man to  join  himself  OR  to  come  near a   FOREIGNER  (  GENTILE  )  .

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« Reply #29 on: Mon Jul 11, 2022 - 22:58:42 »
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« Reply #30 on: Tue Jul 12, 2022 - 07:08:09 »
  And it is  found in  Acts 10:28 , And  He  (  Peter )  declared to  them ,  You  understand how  UNLAWFUL  it is for  a  JEWISH  man to  join  himself  OR  to  come  near a   FOREIGNER  (  GENTILE  ).
No - you are not understanding the question.  We all know what Acts 10 says.

What law was Peter talking about?  Where in the OT does it say that?

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« Reply #31 on: Wed Jul 13, 2022 - 02:56:42 »
Christianity was considered a Jewish sect in the early days.
It still is.  Even if it isn't "considered" to be by a bunch of idjits.

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« Reply #32 on: Thu Jul 14, 2022 - 18:30:26 »
 and all can see what  Acts 10:28  that  God SHOWED  to  me to  call no  man common or  unclean .

 And in  Num 23:9  The  people shall   DWELL  ALONE  , and  shall  not  be  reckoned among  the  NATIONS .

 And in  Rom 10:5  the  Jews  were  not to  go  in th  way  of  the  Gentiles .

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« Reply #33 on: Fri Jul 15, 2022 - 07:22:39 »
And in  Num 23:9  The  people shall   DWELL  ALONE  , and  shall  not  be  reckoned among  the  NATIONS .
That only says that the Jews were unique among the people groups.  It never said anything about not being around them. 

That was a rabbinic extension (NOT the true Law of God) that our Lord condemned when He said to take the gospel to all nations.

In fact, the Law itself told Israel to take the Knowledge of the God of Abraham to all of the nations.

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« Reply #34 on: Fri Jul 15, 2022 - 14:25:58 »
And  how will  answer  Matt 10:34 , Think  not that I  am  COME  to  send  PEACE  on  earth  , I  came not  to  send  PEACE  , But  a  SWORD ??

 I  see   That is  to  say , the  OBJECT   of  His  coming was  PEACE  ,   BUT  the  EFFECT of mit  was  WAR >

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