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Jacob's ladder, or GOD's ladder? (Gen 28:10-32:2)
« on: Sun Dec 04, 2022 - 19:55:17 »
Parashah: “VaYetze” (and he went out)   GENESIS 28:10-32:2


In this parashah study, we see that Jacob is on his way to Haran to find himself a wife (or two).  He is tired after a long day's journey, He stops to rest outside of a city called “Luz” (In Spanish “Light”) and scripture says that he settles down for the night and takes “of the stones” (m'avenei) and puts “one” under his head for a pillow. I am sure that he chose a large, flat one, wrapped his tunic around it, and put his head down. Perhaps the stone was still warm from the heat of the day, and he went to sleep and dreamed...

     But before we get to the dream, I'd like to note that in all English translations, the number “one” appears which states that he took “one” stone, yet the Hebrew does not give a certain number, the word “m'avenei” is used meaning “of the stones” It could be that he took one “of the stones” or a few “of the stones”.  All we know is that he went to sleep and dreamed a strange dream.  We all know the story of “Jacob's Ladder” we have read it in Bible storybooks and from the Torah itself.  Yet I think that the title is misleading, it wasn't “Jacob's Ladder” at all, it was “God's ladder” Jacob was just a witness to seeing it, and the activity that surrounded it.

     The Word says that the ladder was grounded on the earth and the top reached Heaven, and angels went up and down the ladder.  Then it says that YHVH stood beside Jacob and spoke saying; “Ani YHVH. Elohei Avraham, Elohei Yitzchak” (I am the LORD, God of Abraham, God of Isaac).  The same promise that was given to Abraham and Isaac is now being repeated to Ya'akov.

     The land where he is right now will be a possession for him and his seed.  The title and deed of the Land of Israel pertain to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.  YHVH said it, case closed! The rest of the people who live there are “residents” not owners!  YHVH likens the descendants of Jacob to the “dust of the earth” why dust?  Dust cannot be counted, ever try to count a “speck of dust?” dust will “last forever” also, lay something out in the desert for 1000 years, a car for example, in 1000 years, the car will be no more, probably not even a trace of it will be left, because the “dust” will have, in a way of speaking, “eaten it”.  The dust is also “trodden upon.”

    “Am Yisrael” (The people of Israel) will be forever, as our faith in our “Mashiach m'Yisrael” (Messiah from Israel) is an everlasting faith, which will endure forever.  Israel has also been “trodden on” stepped on, mistreated, and taken as worthless by maniac leaders, yet when all is gone and vanished, Israel will be forever.   Scripture also says that Israel will be spread abroad to the North, South, East, and West.  In other words, “All over the world” and we have seen just that today.

     We have Jewish people in all nations of the world, integrated among all the nations, taking the Torah with them, and the belief in ONE GOD (Echad).  We have three major Jewish peoples, “Sephardim” from Spain, North Africa, and the Middle East.  “Ashkenazim” from Germany and East Europe, and “Falashim” from Ethiopia and other African countries.  The Torah says, “In thy seed will all the families of the earth be blessed

     Who is the Seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Yeshua! He was of the seed of these patriarchs!  And we are all blessed by HIM, whose one-time sacrifice for sin saved us all, from eternal separation from YHVH.  His name “YESHUAH” is “Salvation” from YAH.

     When Jacob awoke from his dream, he stood the “stone” that he placed as a pillow, “upright” and anointed it with oil, calling that place “Beit-El” (House of God).  The rabbis of old give meaning to this, some say that the “stones that were together become ONE” some say that Jacob gathered 12 stones, and these 12 stones became ONE, symbolizing the 12 sons of Israel, that became 12 tribes, were “united” as “AM ECHAD” (One People) at Sinai under Moshe after they had left Egypt.

     The word “stone” in Hebrew is “AVEN” which is a combination of two-word, AV (father) and BEN (Son) Father and Son as ONE (Echad).  The anointing of the “Stone” reminds us of the anointing of YESHUA as Messiah, teacher of Torah, healer, and redeemer.  He is the SOLID ROCK.

     We see that Jacob put “the stones” or “The stone” under his head as a pillow.  In symbolic meaning, one way we can see the word “stone” or “Aven” is the meaning in gematria, “Aven” = 53 in gematria, “Grace through Elohim” (5 +3)  =  8 (new Beginning) Jacob is on the road to a “new Beginning” he has left behind Esau and the problem associated with Esau and will have a “new start” but it will not be easy being with Uncle Laban and his school of “hard knocks”. 

     Yeshua is the “solid Rock” and as we see that the “stone” is under Jacob’s head, it is next to his mind, so, in a way of thinking, our thoughts should be in Yeshua and in things of the Torah. 

     The ladder itself is symbolic.  The sages and rabbis of old liken the ladder to “Moshe climbing up to the top of Sinai to receive the Commandments carved in STONE, and later, went up again for 40 days and nights to receive the whole Torah which he later wrote down.  He went UP and YHVH came DOWN, we liken this unto “Yeshua the Living WORD, the living TORAH”.  Other rabbis imagine the ladder as having 22 steps, each step being a letter of the Aleph-Bet, the Hebrew Aleph-Beit.  Since all letters form words, we look again at Yeshua who is the “living WORD, the living TRUTH.  The ladder is the “WAY up, and the WAY down.  Yeshua said, “I AM the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE, no one comes to the Father but by ME”

     The word “ladder” in Hebrew is “SULAM” in gematria, it equals the sum of 136. the words “Tzom” (fasting) “Kol” (voice) and “Mammon” (money) also sum “136”.  So how do these words speak of Yeshua?  Yeshua “Fasted” for 40 days and 40 nights in the desert, he “voiced” his prayers to His Father in Heaven, and he taught about money, and “Tzedakah” (deeds of kindness) “it is more blessed to give than receive” he taught that we must put money in its proper perspective since the “LOVE” of money is the root of all evil, he taught that one should be “content” with the wages received, (when speaking to the Roman soldier). 
 
     How do these words speak of our relationship with Yeshua?  We first come to “Salvation” (Yeshuah) through “Prayer” (voice) of repentance (tefillah/ teshuva) and there are times when we must “fast” to get prayers answered, and we fast on Yom Kippur.  We “give money” through tithes and offerings to our local church/synagogue to keep it going.  But who or what is the ladder really? Is there a correct answer? It is in the Brit HaDashah.

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Re: Jacob's ladder, or GOD's ladder? (Gen 28:10-32:2)
« Reply #1 on: Thu Dec 08, 2022 - 15:19:15 »
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Well; from what I gather, the Hebrew word translated "ladder" could just as correctly be translated staircase; which, in my judicious estimation, is far more convenient for traveling up and down between floors than equipment appropriate for scaffolding.

Whether a ladder or staircase: the location of the structure is very important. It was set up in the land that Jacob's posterity (and thus Abraham's) would one day be theirs for keeps. In other words: some of that scene was telling Jacob that a way up to God would be provided thru the Jews. (Gen 12:3, Gen 28:14, John 4:22, John 14:6, Heb 10:16-22)
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Re: Jacob's ladder, or GOD's ladder? (Gen 28:10-32:2)
« Reply #2 on: Thu Dec 08, 2022 - 16:39:42 »
Whether a ladder or staircase: the location of the structure is very important. It was set up in the land that Jacob's posterity (and thus Abraham's) would one day be theirs for keeps. In other words: some of that scene was telling Jacob that a way up to God would be provided thru the Jews. (Gen 12:3, Gen 28:14, John 4:22, John 14:6, Heb 10:16-22)
The location of the ladder was in Beth El, which was part of the northern kingdom.  That territory that was never controlled by the Jews.

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Re: Jacob's ladder, or GOD's ladder? (Gen 28:10-32:2)
« Reply #3 on: Thu Dec 08, 2022 - 19:29:07 »
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The location of the ladder was in Beth El, which was part of the northern kingdom.  That territory that was never controlled by the Jews.

Abraham's posterity need not occupy every square foot of his God-given real estate. In point of fact, they've never occupied all of the land that God promised him-- just a little sliver of it.

Gen 15:17-21 . . When the sun had set and darkness had fallen, a smoking firepot with a blazing torch appeared and passed between the pieces. On that day The Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates-- the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites."

If you have a map handy, it's instantly apparent just how huge a piece of real estate that God assigned to Abraham. It's very difficult to precisely outline the whole area but it seems to encompass a chunk of Africa, the Sinai Peninsula, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Onan, UAE, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria.

That's talking about some serious square mileage— roughly 1,538,370; which is more than Ireland, United Kingdom, Scotland, Spain, France, Germany, Sweden, Norway, and Finland combined!

Currently, Israel, at its widest east to west dimension, across the Negev, is less than 70 miles; and south to north from the Gulf Of Aqaba to Shemona, about 260; comprising a square mileage of only 8,473: a mere half of 1% of the land covenanted to Abraham.

God has yet to give his posterity complete control over all of it. In point of fact, the boundaries were very early-on temporarily reduced for the time being. (Num 34:1-12)

Large tracts of Abraham's land are currently very arid and difficult for agriculture. That will be remedied in the future.

"The desert and the parched land will be glad; the wilderness will rejoice and blossom. Like the crocus, it will burst into bloom; it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy. The glory of Lebanon will be given to it, the splendor of Carmel and Sharon; they will see the glory of The Lord, the excellency of our God." (Isa 35:1-2)

"Water will gush forth in the wilderness and streams in the desert. The burning sand will become a pool, the thirsty ground bubbling springs. In the haunts where jackals once lay, grass and reeds and papyrus will grow." (Isa 35:6-7)

Lebanon's glory of old was timber; especially cedars (1Kng 4:33). Sharon was known for its flowers (Song 2:1) and Carmel for its orchards (Isa 33:9). How God will get timber, flowers, and orchards to flourish in the barren waste should be interesting.


NOTE: The modern State of Israel has managed to make a percentage of its badlands productive by means of bore holes, diversion, desalinized water, recycled effluent, and drip irrigation. But those are desperate measures rather than miraculous providence. Israel has accomplished amazing things via technology, but their technology is no more supernatural than the science and industry that took men to the moon and back.

Technology is not the ideal solution to Israel's lack of adequate rain and arable soil. And I just don't think hydroponic gardening is God's idea of the best way to grow food. I'm pretty sure He prefers food grown in dirt rather than liquid, and the use of natural fertilizers rather than chemicals, and prefers His people nourish themselves with organic foods instead of GMO.
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Re: Jacob's ladder, or GOD's ladder? (Gen 28:10-32:2)
« Reply #4 on: Fri Dec 09, 2022 - 13:05:42 »
Abraham's posterity need not occupy every square foot of his God-given real estate.
Well, Abraham's posterity did occupy it.  It just wasn't part of Judah; it was part of Israel.  They aren't the same thing.

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