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Liars Are Born That Way
« on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 20:41:05 »
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Ps 58:3 . .The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies go astray from birth.

This is pretty serious because the Bible says that there is a marvelous city in the works wherein is not allowed dishonesty.

Rev 22:15 . . Outside are . . . everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

Plus, natural-born liars are destined for fiery termination.

Rev 21:8 . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Now, I'm willing to bet that there are more natural-born liars on earth than LGBTQ, yet Christians readily rake LGBTQ over the coals while tolerating dishonesty as if it were somehow acceptable in comparison; yet both are in the same boat headed for the same destination.
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Re: Liars Are Born That Way
« Reply #1 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 11:08:22 »
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It's difficult at times to find a Christian with integrity. When a critical thinker points out that some of God's ways are unreasonable; the average Christian typically circles the wagons, i.e. they become defensive and judgmental; deceitfully concealing the unspeakable truth that they too have sometimes entertained the very same opinions.

Try answering the seven questions listed below with a straight up YES or a NO sans excuses, explanations, apologetics, sermons, accusations, recriminations, and/or canned responses. If your answers are too personal, then it's okay to remain silent, but keeping in mind that one day you may be required to stand before God and give an answer for yourself openly and honestly rather than secretly.

1» Was there ever a time when you felt that God should've stepped in to prevent the Serpent from tempting Eve?

2» Was there ever a time when you resented God's control over your life?

3» Was there ever a time when you were dissatisfied with Hades and/or the Lake Of Fire? In other words: was there a time when you felt those punishments go too far, i.e. they're over-kill; too extreme.

4» God knew in advance that He would regret creating humankind, and that He would be drowning most of it in a global deluge; yet went ahead and created people anyway. Has there ever been a time when you felt there was something sick and twisted about God for doing that?

5» Was there ever a time when you felt that some of God's actions were unreasonable, unfair, inhumane, selfish, cruel, and/or the work of a mad man?

6» Was there ever a time when you wished God didn't exist?

7» Was there ever a time when you regarded God as an enemy rather than a friend?

The questions themselves don't really matter all that much. What matters most is whether they're answered honestly; because in order to establish a productive rapport with God, people have to be transparent rather than secretive.

Heb 4:13 . . Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

Rev 1:13-15 . . Among the lamp stands was someone like a son of man; dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest . . . and his eyes were like blazing fire.
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Re: Liars Are Born That Way
« Reply #2 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 11:57:45 »
This sounds like a challenge from an atheist -- which is great.

For your questions I'd give a hard "no" to some of them, and "no" currently, but to a couple I would have to say "yes" since you begin with "was there ever a time," but since then (whenever that was) I'm back to "no."

I especially like the citation of God regretting that He made mankind at one point in spite of God foreknowing (some would dispute that they were predestined) that they would MAKE him regret it, which looks like nonsense.

But I'd propose a different way of looking at it. You can think of God as a storyteller and a character in His own story. The former is the foreknowing and predestining God, and the other shows behavior within His story from regretting things that He did to seeking people's repentance in spite of knowing their choices in advance or even being talked out of doing things that He says He will do, like with Moses at Mt. Sinai.

A storyteller crafts heroes and villains and orchestrates events around them to make His overall point; and the story reflects the message and even character of the storyteller, even with all sorts of things against his morals will occur in the story. A storyteller will DESPISE the actions of the villains he writes into the story and the narrative will contain some message of a judgment that reflects that -- all coinciding with his message.

Does that all sound like something on point and gaining some ground?

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Re: Liars Are Born That Way
« Reply #3 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 14:17:39 »
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It's difficult at times to find a Christian with integrity. When a critical thinker points out that some of God's ways are unreasonable; the average Christian typically circles the wagons, i.e. they become defensive and judgmental; deceitfully concealing the unspeakable truth that they too have sometimes entertained the very same opinions.

Try answering the seven questions listed below with a straight up YES or a NO sans excuses, explanations, apologetics, sermons, accusations, recriminations, and/or canned responses. If your answers are too personal, then it's okay to remain silent, but keeping in mind that one day you may be required to stand before God and give an answer for yourself openly and honestly rather than secretly.

1» Was there ever a time when you felt that God should've stepped in to prevent the Serpent from tempting Eve?

2» Was there ever a time when you resented God's control over your life?

3» Was there ever a time when you were dissatisfied with Hades and/or the Lake Of Fire? In other words: was there a time when you felt those punishments go too far, i.e. they're over-kill; too extreme.

4» God knew in advance that He would regret creating humankind, and that He would be drowning most of it in a global deluge; yet went ahead and created people anyway. Has there ever been a time when you felt there was something sick and twisted about God for doing that?

5» Was there ever a time when you felt that some of God's actions were unreasonable, unfair, inhumane, selfish, cruel, and/or the work of a mad man?

6» Was there ever a time when you wished God didn't exist?

7» Was there ever a time when you regarded God as an enemy rather than a friend?

The questions themselves don't really matter all that much. What matters most is whether they're answered honestly; because in order to establish a productive rapport with God, people have to be transparent rather than secretive.

Heb 4:13 . . Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

Rev 1:13-15 . . Among the lamp stands was someone like a son of man; dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest . . . and his eyes were like blazing fire.
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NO God is my witness. Maybe I'm just too simple of a person, or maybe I would NEVER think evil of my Father knowing his ways are perfect and my very best ways are full of perveness and wickedness.

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Re: Liars Are Born That Way
« Reply #4 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 18:55:20 »
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The seven-point test requires straight up YES and NO answers sans excuses, explanations, apologetics, sermons, accusations, recriminations, and/or canned responses.

Plus, the test asks; was there ever a time rather than only how you feel now.

Reply No.3 fails to comply with the instructions.
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Re: Liars Are Born That Way
« Reply #5 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 21:12:12 »
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The seven-point test requires straight up YES and NO answers sans excuses, explanations, apologetics, sermons, accusations, recriminations, and/or canned responses.

Plus, the test asks; was there ever a time rather than only how you feel now.

Reply No.3 fails to comply with the instructions.

Broke the rules, huh? The answers are in there, sorry it didn't anything for you because of the requirement not to have any explanation.  ::shrug::

Maybe you should just add a poll to your thread.

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Re: Liars Are Born That Way
« Reply #6 on: Sat Sep 25, 2021 - 05:26:04 »
When a critical thinker points out that .....
I think we can assume that by "critical thinker" you are intending yourself.  What a joke.  More than a few of your posts display not the slightest bit of "critical thinking".  Seriously; you being a critical thinker?  rofl rofl rofl rofl

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Re: Liars Are Born That Way
« Reply #7 on: Sat Sep 25, 2021 - 11:01:55 »

1John 2:2 . . . He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

A forgiven liar will continue to be dishonest because they were born that way.

"Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil." (Jer 13:23)

What is there to be done about that?
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Re: Liars Are Born That Way
« Reply #8 on: Sat Sep 25, 2021 - 11:50:36 »
Perhaps you should read the Bible.  The answer to your question is there.

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Re: Liars Are Born That Way
« Reply #9 on: Sun Sep 26, 2021 - 09:42:42 »
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A forgiven liar will continue to be dishonest because they were born that way. What is there to be done about that?

Well; I think we can be fairly certain that dishonesty is neither tolerated nor practiced in Heaven's society; which is a curious thing because the Bible says that every man is dishonest; so the question is; How does anybody at all make the cut? I mean; if people were dishonest down here, then would they not continue to be dishonest up there unless something were done to rid themselves of themselves?

God has devised a way to do that very thing by means of a special circumcision.

Col 2:11-12 . . In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature-- not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ --having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.

In a nutshell: although redeemed liars typically continue to be dishonest down here, they don't take that proclivity with them when they pass on; instead, the special circumcision makes it possible for them to part company with their unacceptable tendencies and they go into eternity completely free of human nature's weaknesses: a benefit of the regeneration that Jesus spoke of at John 3:3-12.
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