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« on: November 14, 2009, 03:19:08 PM »

Mark 6:5 And he could do no mighty work there, except that he laid his hands on a few sick people and healed them.

In debates on certain topics, often the phrase is heard "You are limiting God". 

It seems in this verse Jesus was limited.

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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2009, 03:22:28 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2009, 03:29:16 PM »

To limit God is to defeat His purpose and plan in some way.

God's plan is for men to go to Jesus freely for salvation.  That people would not believe in Jesus and go to Him is not against God's purpose and plan; it is not a limitation being placed on God.
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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2009, 03:44:17 PM »

Mark 6:4  But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honor, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.
Mark 6:5  And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.

God will honor those who go out in the name of Jesus and teach His word, but to do this in your own backyard (neighborhood) is hard at times as others have seen the way you use to be before you gave your life to the Lord and they will limit God that is in you to say anything to them or do any works through signs and wonders. They will reject you, which in turn they have rejected Chris in you.
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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2009, 03:53:29 PM »


I'm just pulling your chain a little here, but let's say that God has given you great talent in praising him in instrumental music; you don't believe in that, and hid that talent in the earth: do you think that Jesus could do mighty things in that life, at least with that talent?
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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2009, 04:37:59 PM »

When you take an infinite God put Him in a box, and say, " you cant do anything outside of that box", then you have limited Him. My God is infinite in wisdom infinite in power infinite in majestsy, infinite in love, infinite in Grace, and there is nothing He cannot do unless I say to Him in my thougts, " thats impossible".

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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2009, 05:43:35 PM »


I'm just pulling your chain a little here, but let's say that God has given you great talent in praising him in instrumental music; you don't believe in that, and hid that talent in the earth: do you think that Jesus could do mighty things in that life, at least with that talent?


We can play this game...

What if you have great talent as a sniper?

Or great talent as a liar?

Or great talent as a lover?

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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2009, 06:22:01 PM »


I'm just pulling your chain a little here, but let's say that God has given you great talent in praising him in instrumental music; you don't believe in that, and hid that talent in the earth: do you think that Jesus could do mighty things in that life, at least with that talent?


We can play this game...

What if you have great talent as a sniper?

Or great talent as a liar?

Or great talent as a lover?



By you not believing in worship with instrumental music, I can see your equating it with sin. What is your definition of consequence for lying, or playing instrumental music in worship and praise of God?
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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2009, 09:08:39 AM »

Well let's go another angle with it then.

What if I have great talent as a bowler, or a golfer.

Should I bowl a perfect game during worship service to praise God?

Or sink a 60 foot putt down the aisle during services?


You are basically saying  "Why would God give me this great ability to play this instrument if He didn't want me to use it in worship?"

I'm asking you where it ends.
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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2009, 11:44:23 AM »


LUKE 8:49-51
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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2009, 11:48:06 AM »

Well let's go another angle with it then.

What if I have great talent as a bowler, or a golfer.

Should I bowl a perfect game during worship service to praise God?

Or sink a 60 foot putt down the aisle during services?


You are basically saying  "Why would God give me this great ability to play this instrument if He didn't want me to use it in worship?"

I'm asking you where it ends.


I do not see the following harp as a bowling ball.

Psalms 149:1-5  Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints.
2  Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King.
3  Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.
4  For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.
5  Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.
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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2009, 11:57:15 AM »


LUKE 8:49-51

 While he yet spake, there cometh one from the ruler of the synagogue's house, saying to him, Thy daughter is dead; trouble not the Master. 50 But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole. 51 And when he came into the house, he suffered no man to go in, save Peter, and James, and John, and the father and the mother of the maiden.
Luke 8:49-51 (KJV)

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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2009, 12:01:58 PM »

So now you are saying scripture supports the use of musical instruments in NT worship?
(as we know there are plenty of posts about that topic)


Earlier you were just implying that any talent God has blessed us with is okay for worship.

I was just pointing out how empty that particular argument is.
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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2009, 12:31:17 PM »

So now you are saying scripture supports the use of musical instruments in NT worship?
(as we know there are plenty of posts about that topic)


Earlier you were just implying that any talent God has blessed us with is okay for worship.

I was just pointing out how empty that particular argument is.

I agree.

A person can have a great talent, such as being a detective for the police or being a superb athlete, and these things can be done to the glory of God, but they are not worship to God.

The ability to play some musical instrument is a great talent and it can and should be done to God's glory, as all we do should be to the glory of God, but using that argument alone to support the use of instruments in worship is weak at best.  A holistic study in the word of God is the best approach to that topic.

On the other hand, I can see larry2's viewpoint.  Musical instruments are specifically mentioned in some contexts as being used to praise God.  The talents of police detective and sports star are not mentioned.  It is valid to consider the permitted use of musical instruments in worship and what might be the possibility that a person is limiting God who does not believe in their use for praising Him.

In answer to larry2, a talent does not have to be used in worship assemblies alone to praise God and Jesus can still do mighty things in such a person's life with that talent outside of its use for worship.  Also, yes, any talent that God gives a person that is called for in worshipping Him can be rejected and hidden, and God would be limited in the blessings he could bring to that person's life.  In any case, God is not doing the limiting of Himself in that person's life, that person is limiting himself and the reception of God's blessings.
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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2009, 01:06:52 PM »

In some of my discussions with people, depending on the topic, I will say, "Here is how God does it."  My viewpoint will be based on the word He gave us to tell us how He does it.

Some of those people will respond by saying, "You are limiting God."  Their viewpoint is that although God says in His word that He does "it" that way, they say He can do "it" some other way if He wants.

I realize that I have not said what any particular "it" is, and maybe I will later on (some of you will have your own examples), but for now what do you think?  If God says He does something a particular way, for example how He evangelizes or how He saves a person who wants to respond positively (maybe that will be detail enough), then is it limiting God to say that is how He does it and that He doesn't do it some other way?

I may have to be more specific later but let's see if we can dig into this just from what little I have said now.
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